


March 06, 2013
De-Extinction: Scientists Work to Bring Back Lost Species, Including Passenger Pigeon
By Chad Love

If you could bring back one extinct game species, be it a bird or mammal, what would it be? With the dizzying pace of biotechnical advancements, that question is quickly becoming less and less academic. In fact, some researchers are actively working to "de-extinct" a number of lost species, including perhaps the most famously tragic extinction story of our time—the passenger pigeon. But even if it's possible, is it a good idea?
From this story on scientificamerican.com:
"...Such questions are set to be addressed March 15 at TEDx DeExtinction, a day-long event in Washington, D.C., organized by Stewart Brand’s Revive & Restore project. Brand previewed the topics for discussion last week at the TED2013 conference in Long Beach, Calif. Scientists are actively working on methods and procedures for bringing extinct species back to life, says Ryan Phelan, executive director of Revive & Restore and co-organizer of the TEDx event.
“The technology is moving fast. What Stewart and I are trying to do with this meeting is for the first time to allow the public to start thinking about this. We’re going to hear from people who take it quite seriously. De-extinction is going to happen, and the questions are how does it get applied, when does it get used, what are the criteria which are going to be set?”
Last year, according to the story, the Revive and Restore project announced plans to begin work on how to bring back the passenger pigeon. Apparently there are some 1,500 preserved specimens out there with extractable DNA. Pretty fascinating stuff, and, ethics aside, it naturally got me to wondering about other species, specifically game species. Being a fan of upland birds, I think my first choice would be the heath hen, that long-gone prairie grouse of the eastern seaboard. What's yours?
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t-Rex season
Passenger pigeon. Cutting timber and overhunting made them extinct, just as it did to wild turkeys. We could have a lot of passenger pigeons today and -- who knows -- maybe even a season someday.
but you would have to have a pretty high treestand and no archery season
78, Great minds think alike!
If I wanted to bring anything back from extinction I would want to start with our food. No more frankencrops and fake food.
Passenger pigeon would I think have best probability for success, especially if there are that many specimens with viable DNA. That would provide a good gene pool to work with. I would also like to see them bring back the St. John's dog, the ancestor of the labrador retriever. The last pair died in 1982 as I recall.
Because the pigeon migrated over such large areas, I think they could fairly easily adapt to current changes in environment. Frankly, it is hard for me to believe any species of the dove/pigeon family couldn't adapt to just about anything. The heath hen would be a tougher sell. Loss of habitat pretty much did them in. The Labrador Duck might be a good candidate since it never was very clear what exactly caused their demise.
Let's bring back an honest politician before it's too late.
Defiantly the easiest would be Passenger Pigeons. The coolest that could be brought back would be Wooly Mammoths. But honestly why bring something back when we haven't fixed the habitat problems that contributed to its extinction in the first place?
Very well put benjaminwc.
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i always thought a woolly mammoth would be pretty cool
My vote is the Passenger Pigeon.I was given Charles Watermans book, Hunting In America for Christmas many years ago.It was one of the best gifts (pretty worn, but still with me) I've ever received, and he wrote quite a bit about the Passenger Pigeon. My 14 year old mind could not grasp how it was allowed to be wiped out. Sadly, I see now, but I sure would like it if my kids could view them someday. I never thought they were that large until this photo. I also hope that the wild bobwhite and the black duck won't join that terrible list.
I would like to see the Passenger pigeon. However, I hope that we can preserve what we have left before everything goes extinct.
They already did this movie, it was called Jurassic Park, and it illustrated why it isn't always a good idea to revive extinct species.
Douglas you get +100 from me. We have many game animals that have declining numbers in many areas of the world that need to be protected before we wipe them out as well.
I know that the biggest advocacy would come for large carnivores. There is already a serious group of (no I'm not pulling your leg) scientists who believe sabre toothed tigers and dire wolves would restore the ecosystems of the Western US.
They are called Rewilders.
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Jurassic Park for real, Just do not create raptors.
Benjamin, what habitat problem caused the demise of the wooly mammoth?
Speaking of Jurassic Park Jeff Goldblum's character poses a very important question when he says that your scientists were so preoccupied with if they could they never asked if they should. America is a very different place than it was when the passenger pigeon existed. Before we rush head long into this we need to ask certain questions for example: To accommodate the reintroduction of this species would vast tracts of public and private land be closed to hunting, logging or agriculture? Or with a looming financial crisis on the horizon who's going to write the check for this project? This technology could be used to do good things but we need to proceed wisely. Good intentions are not good enough.
Ice
Tasmanian Tiger would be cool... As we sit here, scientists are combing Siberia for a male mammoth frozen well enough to preserve viable DNA that they can spice into a living lady elephant to produce an offspring.
And actually Dcast the habitat statement was more of a broader comment about all the other animals that went extinct (or might go extinct) in the last couple hundred years due to habitat lose or lack of foresight.
IMO, what's gone is gone. Like said above we should be more worried about the wildlife that are still around but are in dwindling numbers.
I vote for the bald eaqle and the osprey. These are birds of the wild places. they represent Alaska and the Yukon and the Rocky Mtns and America. Imagine the resurgence in pride of the people in the US if we could revive those huge great birds. In order for that to happen of course, water quality would have to improve greatly. We would also need a high quality food base with low chemical contamination. It would be so great to live in a country that could be cleaned up to the point that bald eagles and osprey could become common again.
I believe that only species that extinction was caused directly by human contact should be brought back such as the great auk, passenger pigeon, the moa, and dodo mostly meat hunted to extinction. But i would also love the shoot that eight foot turkey.
Lab,respectfully, I think you need to check your facts. The Bald Eagle has been de-listed.I live in Central AR and we have no shortage of Eagles or Ospreys.
Lab, I back Gerg on this. We do not have ospreys in my area but the Bald Eagle has made its come back. We have breeding pairs in our area now. I have never seen a wild Bald Eagle until last year on a early morning fishing trip on the local river. Now I see them all the time on the river and a lake I fish that is next to the river. I know of 2 breeding pairs in my city. One pair on the north end and one on the south end and both pair are right on the edge of the city! This isn't just a local observation there have been other breeding pairs located just outside of Dayton Ohio.
Ok Ben, I thought we were heading to a Anthropegenic Global Warming argument.
My post was to mock the way this site refuses to recognize the improvement in the environment over the last forty years. There are more articles like this one on bringing back saber-toothed tigers than on the recovery that has actually happened. The improvements in water quality that I cited have happened and the quantity of uncontaminated prey exist. I'm glad that you guys, at least, have noticed.
Went to website and was impressed on de-extinction efforts/thoughts.
Passenger Pigeon would be the species with the best chance of success IMHO. Maybe the nesting grounds have recovered, and the demand and taste for pigeon meat is gone towards chicken nuggets.
I’d like to see mastodons and mammoths reintroduced. Maybe these two animals could make it in northern America’s and Siberia. I don’t see the human population pressures in northern latitudes presently seen in Africa, India and Southeast Asia.
How about a President that has papers and does not lie.
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JamesD has a good point. Sometimes species go extinct because their evolutionary time has come. It would be nice to undo the sins of our forefathers as in the case of the passenger pigeon though.
Woolly mammoth,woolly mammoth,woolly mammoth! I just want to see one on a trail camera before I die. Come on science set me up!
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Let's bring back an honest politician before it's too late.
t-Rex season
78, Great minds think alike!
If I wanted to bring anything back from extinction I would want to start with our food. No more frankencrops and fake food.
Speaking of Jurassic Park Jeff Goldblum's character poses a very important question when he says that your scientists were so preoccupied with if they could they never asked if they should. America is a very different place than it was when the passenger pigeon existed. Before we rush head long into this we need to ask certain questions for example: To accommodate the reintroduction of this species would vast tracts of public and private land be closed to hunting, logging or agriculture? Or with a looming financial crisis on the horizon who's going to write the check for this project? This technology could be used to do good things but we need to proceed wisely. Good intentions are not good enough.
How about a President that has papers and does not lie.
but you would have to have a pretty high treestand and no archery season
Irish elk and the eastern elk
Passenger pigeon would I think have best probability for success, especially if there are that many specimens with viable DNA. That would provide a good gene pool to work with. I would also like to see them bring back the St. John's dog, the ancestor of the labrador retriever. The last pair died in 1982 as I recall.
Because the pigeon migrated over such large areas, I think they could fairly easily adapt to current changes in environment. Frankly, it is hard for me to believe any species of the dove/pigeon family couldn't adapt to just about anything. The heath hen would be a tougher sell. Loss of habitat pretty much did them in. The Labrador Duck might be a good candidate since it never was very clear what exactly caused their demise.
Defiantly the easiest would be Passenger Pigeons. The coolest that could be brought back would be Wooly Mammoths. But honestly why bring something back when we haven't fixed the habitat problems that contributed to its extinction in the first place?
megaloceros giganteus
Lab,respectfully, I think you need to check your facts. The Bald Eagle has been de-listed.I live in Central AR and we have no shortage of Eagles or Ospreys.
Lab, I back Gerg on this. We do not have ospreys in my area but the Bald Eagle has made its come back. We have breeding pairs in our area now. I have never seen a wild Bald Eagle until last year on a early morning fishing trip on the local river. Now I see them all the time on the river and a lake I fish that is next to the river. I know of 2 breeding pairs in my city. One pair on the north end and one on the south end and both pair are right on the edge of the city! This isn't just a local observation there have been other breeding pairs located just outside of Dayton Ohio.
Passenger pigeon. Cutting timber and overhunting made them extinct, just as it did to wild turkeys. We could have a lot of passenger pigeons today and -- who knows -- maybe even a season someday.
Very well put benjaminwc.
i always thought a woolly mammoth would be pretty cool
My vote is the Passenger Pigeon.I was given Charles Watermans book, Hunting In America for Christmas many years ago.It was one of the best gifts (pretty worn, but still with me) I've ever received, and he wrote quite a bit about the Passenger Pigeon. My 14 year old mind could not grasp how it was allowed to be wiped out. Sadly, I see now, but I sure would like it if my kids could view them someday. I never thought they were that large until this photo. I also hope that the wild bobwhite and the black duck won't join that terrible list.
I would like to see the Passenger pigeon. However, I hope that we can preserve what we have left before everything goes extinct.
They already did this movie, it was called Jurassic Park, and it illustrated why it isn't always a good idea to revive extinct species.
Douglas you get +100 from me. We have many game animals that have declining numbers in many areas of the world that need to be protected before we wipe them out as well.
I know that the biggest advocacy would come for large carnivores. There is already a serious group of (no I'm not pulling your leg) scientists who believe sabre toothed tigers and dire wolves would restore the ecosystems of the Western US.
They are called Rewilders.
Jurassic Park for real, Just do not create raptors.
Benjamin, what habitat problem caused the demise of the wooly mammoth?
Ice
Tasmanian Tiger would be cool... As we sit here, scientists are combing Siberia for a male mammoth frozen well enough to preserve viable DNA that they can spice into a living lady elephant to produce an offspring.
And actually Dcast the habitat statement was more of a broader comment about all the other animals that went extinct (or might go extinct) in the last couple hundred years due to habitat lose or lack of foresight.
IMO, what's gone is gone. Like said above we should be more worried about the wildlife that are still around but are in dwindling numbers.
I vote for the bald eaqle and the osprey. These are birds of the wild places. they represent Alaska and the Yukon and the Rocky Mtns and America. Imagine the resurgence in pride of the people in the US if we could revive those huge great birds. In order for that to happen of course, water quality would have to improve greatly. We would also need a high quality food base with low chemical contamination. It would be so great to live in a country that could be cleaned up to the point that bald eagles and osprey could become common again.
I believe that only species that extinction was caused directly by human contact should be brought back such as the great auk, passenger pigeon, the moa, and dodo mostly meat hunted to extinction. But i would also love the shoot that eight foot turkey.
Ok Ben, I thought we were heading to a Anthropegenic Global Warming argument.
My post was to mock the way this site refuses to recognize the improvement in the environment over the last forty years. There are more articles like this one on bringing back saber-toothed tigers than on the recovery that has actually happened. The improvements in water quality that I cited have happened and the quantity of uncontaminated prey exist. I'm glad that you guys, at least, have noticed.
Went to website and was impressed on de-extinction efforts/thoughts.
Passenger Pigeon would be the species with the best chance of success IMHO. Maybe the nesting grounds have recovered, and the demand and taste for pigeon meat is gone towards chicken nuggets.
I’d like to see mastodons and mammoths reintroduced. Maybe these two animals could make it in northern America’s and Siberia. I don’t see the human population pressures in northern latitudes presently seen in Africa, India and Southeast Asia.
Carolina Parakeet, Blue Walleye, and Silver Trout
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JamesD has a good point. Sometimes species go extinct because their evolutionary time has come. It would be nice to undo the sins of our forefathers as in the case of the passenger pigeon though.
Woolly mammoth,woolly mammoth,woolly mammoth! I just want to see one on a trail camera before I die. Come on science set me up!
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