


March 18, 2013
Primitive Hunting Seasons: Centerfire Rifles May Be Allowed in Mississippi
By Chad Love

Some hunters in Mississippi may soon be able to use centerfire rifles during the state's "primitive weapons" deer season under a bill that's headed for the governor's desk.
From this story in the Mississippi Business Journal:
Some hunters who use modern rifles may no longer have to sit out primitive weapon deer season in Mississippi. A bill that would allow hunters to use weapons of choice on private land during this brief part of deer season is headed to the desk of Gov. Phil Bryant. Bryant spokesman Mick Bullock said he expects the governor to sign the bill into law. House Bill 1139 would apply only if the hunter is the landowner or is leasing the land, a member of a hunting club, or a guest. The bill would not apply to public lands. If a license is required, the hunter would still be required to purchase that license. Deer season in Mississippi generally lasts from October to February, varying by region. The period for deer hunting with primitive weapons varies by region, ranging from about two weeks long to about six weeks long.
According to the story, the bill's author claims many Mississippi hunters either don't have the money to buy a muzzleloader, or don't enjoy using them. Is there really any point of having a primitive weapons season if you're not going to make everyone use primitive weapons? Yes, they're less efficient, more inconvenient and generally harder to use, but that's the appeal.
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So, the hunter that can't afford a ML probably can't afford a hunting lease and probably doesn't own a lot of land either. Sounds like someone caving in to the lease hunters to me. The regular rifle season certainly seems long enough for the rifle hunters to get by.
Yeah, I don't get the point of this bill. Why even have a primitive weapons season? It seems like they're just punishing people who hunt on public land.
As to the argument that many don't have money to buy a muzzleloader, it's unfortunate, but not a very good argument. A simple muzzleloader is cheap compared to a modern rifle. At that rate, why not do away with the archery season and allow guns then too? Doesn't make any sense.
I know I am gonna get flammed for this but I see nothing wrong with it. I think as long as a season is open for a game animal a hunter should be able to use what ever they want to hunt, especailly on private land. As long as enforcement of bag limits is assured what difference does it make how the hunter bags an animal. A deer killed with a muzzle loader or a bow is just as dead as one killed with a modern rifle.
Muzzleloader baby! Anyone that hasn't given one a try doesn't know what they are missing. There is a bit of work involved to get a system in place. I use a muzzleloader with open sights during the regular rifle season in WI. My 50cal is deadliest weapon I own to 150 yards just because my vision holds me back. Just like bowhunting, it makes you refine your skill set as a hunter and there is where the fun and stories come from.
This is just a continuation of their current program which already allows singleshot centerfire rifles with a bore of .35 or greater for primitive firearms season. There has been a resurgence of .35 whelen, .358 winchester and the like over the past 5 years, which is excellent for some of these grand old cartridges. Granted, most of these guys are buying $200 NEF's or CVA's, it has helped the ammo price on these formerly obscure calibers. For clarification, their "primitive weapon season" refers to pre-modern firearms and now archery tackle. There is still an archery only season that runs from Oct. 1 - Nov 16.
I don't have much of an opinion on their usage. It would seem silly that a ML is too expensive, but they are the poorest state in the union with a gross median income of just over $36,000/yr and an unemployment rate of over 10%. If this helps put food on the tables of hungry people who need a break, then so be it. Now if Connecticut tried to pull this move I'll take issue.
Thumbs-down. All hunters should have the same advantages/disadvantages possible. Why should modern firearms be legal on private land but not public? Why should land owners and lessees have an advantage over someone who has no choice but to hunt on public land? If this were my state, I would be making some phone calls.
I believe the intent was for this to do away with the two week primitive weapon only season in December. It was originally put in place to give the deer a ‘break’ halfway through the season. Well, here we are, it’s 2013 and now we have an ever-growing deer herd that numbers almost 2 million (or is it billion?). THEY DON’T NEED A BREAK!
The manufacturers of primitive weapons are certainly not in favor of this but I certainly am. Archery folks still get the first month and half of the season, so everybody quit whining. I’m trying to hunt over here.
That has got to be one of the dopiest pieces of proposed fish and game legislation I have heard of. Nope, it's definitely at the top of the dopey list. Why penalize the public lands hunter? What's the point of essentially extending the season simply for the benefit of the rich and famous? That one is just plain disgusting! Must be a lot of Texans moving to Mississippi these days.
If they want to cut the number of deer in Mississippi, they need to make it easier for the public hunter, not easier for the private game preserve owners.
How are they penalizing anyone. If someone has to pay tazx on a piece of land they should be allowed to hunt with what ever device they so choose,,especially for deet. People not from the south east need to realize that deer populations are crazy down here and it is not really that much of a challenge to kill a deer no matter what you are using. The taxes/fees paid by private property owners/lease holders help the state and if you get more privlages so be it.
I got into the primitive hunting season this past year in PA and while possibly the most frustrating season ever, I have also never had more fun or more laughs once I got back to camp. One of the arguments is that people can't afford a muzzleloader? The last time I checked I could get a traditions flintlock with everything I would need to hunt for less than a lot of the rifle/scope combinations out there. Not to mention the things I got will last me at least 3-4 years! I believe it also mentioned that some hunters don't like the season? If you don't like it don't do it! I don't see anyone forcing people to partake in the season. It seems to me like some close friends to the Governor just want more time to play with their guns. Kinda makes me sick.
Dumb law. Thats like how our DNR started a one month break during the middle of our fall hunting season. Supposedly its because the rut in the Everglades WAY south of us starts in the end of august and we can only have a certain amount of hunting days and bla bla bla. We miss out on one month of prime hunting time because of the way the deer are that have no effect on our deer. Oh, and it only affects private land since our management areas have different season schedules.
Hey Ontario, 70%+ of the total land area in the state is privately owned and the majority of that is ‘rural’. You don’t have to be a land barren to have a place to hunt. I know plenty of people who have a 40 acre block or less and that's all it takes. Or, they have a membership in a hunting club, as the proposed bill states.
Maybe I’m wrong but cant the state and federal public lands change their regulations to be in line with this proposed bill?
*baron
Is it me, or do deer react differently when a ML fired vs. a high powered rifle..say 7mm mag. I'll shoot the 7 and the deer scatter like a fart in the wind. I fire a ML, and they seem less alarmed, and will stick around for a few more shots like a turd in the wind. Has anyone else noticed this, or do the deer I hunt realize that my ML is not the most efficant way of killing them....
Some of the primitive rifles I have seen are scoped, in line shotgun primmed with pyrodex pellets and sabots. How is this primitive or different from a single shot center fire rifle. It's not like anyone is knapping flints.
Pennsylvania has a flintlock only hunting season in late winter. I don't see the point of allowing center fire rifles to be used in Ol' Miss. It destroys the purpose of a primitive season completely.
I think that Mississippi like other states are interested in revenues through license sales and meeting quotas set by their DNR to manage their deer population rather than an ideological reason. I personally enjoy hunting with primitive weapons both muzzle loading and archery. It takes allot of hunting skills with limitations, challenges and things that can go wrong. Weather the hunt was successful or a bust it always makes a good story at camp and when you do take a nice buck using one these primitive weapons it's the story that is told and re-told many times over.
The primitive seasons allow people like me who don't have access to private land a chance at fair chase deer. However, all the lease holders and landowners pull all the deer by using corn feeders. The same good ol boys that are in the house and senate in MS are the big landowners. They can sit in thier shooting houses and shoot deer over a pile of corn between trips to the buffet and liquor store all day if they want. I go out west now once a year and hunt muleys in the national forests. Id rather hike 20 miles and be outside HUNTING and never get anything than shooting pet, corn fed tame deer any day. My primitive seasons gun is an H&R .45-70 with irons. I treate it like archery and try to get a shot 50 yards and in. Most guys around here have gone to getting .444 marlins and scoping them with 3x9x40s anyway so what is the point?
Haven't you guys ever heard of the 10th Amendment? It's up the the people of M-i-s-s-i-s-s-p-p-i to decide how they regulate their hunting seasons. If you don't like it, you don't have to hunt there. Southern hunting is quite different than the wide open west or the heavy populated northeast. I don't know what some Midwestern states have against rifles, but I would abide by their laws and gear up appropriately. Somebody usually has the advantage when hunting, most of the time it's the deer.
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This is just a continuation of their current program which already allows singleshot centerfire rifles with a bore of .35 or greater for primitive firearms season. There has been a resurgence of .35 whelen, .358 winchester and the like over the past 5 years, which is excellent for some of these grand old cartridges. Granted, most of these guys are buying $200 NEF's or CVA's, it has helped the ammo price on these formerly obscure calibers. For clarification, their "primitive weapon season" refers to pre-modern firearms and now archery tackle. There is still an archery only season that runs from Oct. 1 - Nov 16.
I don't have much of an opinion on their usage. It would seem silly that a ML is too expensive, but they are the poorest state in the union with a gross median income of just over $36,000/yr and an unemployment rate of over 10%. If this helps put food on the tables of hungry people who need a break, then so be it. Now if Connecticut tried to pull this move I'll take issue.
That has got to be one of the dopiest pieces of proposed fish and game legislation I have heard of. Nope, it's definitely at the top of the dopey list. Why penalize the public lands hunter? What's the point of essentially extending the season simply for the benefit of the rich and famous? That one is just plain disgusting! Must be a lot of Texans moving to Mississippi these days.
If they want to cut the number of deer in Mississippi, they need to make it easier for the public hunter, not easier for the private game preserve owners.
I got into the primitive hunting season this past year in PA and while possibly the most frustrating season ever, I have also never had more fun or more laughs once I got back to camp. One of the arguments is that people can't afford a muzzleloader? The last time I checked I could get a traditions flintlock with everything I would need to hunt for less than a lot of the rifle/scope combinations out there. Not to mention the things I got will last me at least 3-4 years! I believe it also mentioned that some hunters don't like the season? If you don't like it don't do it! I don't see anyone forcing people to partake in the season. It seems to me like some close friends to the Governor just want more time to play with their guns. Kinda makes me sick.
Hey Ontario, 70%+ of the total land area in the state is privately owned and the majority of that is ‘rural’. You don’t have to be a land barren to have a place to hunt. I know plenty of people who have a 40 acre block or less and that's all it takes. Or, they have a membership in a hunting club, as the proposed bill states.
Maybe I’m wrong but cant the state and federal public lands change their regulations to be in line with this proposed bill?
I think that Mississippi like other states are interested in revenues through license sales and meeting quotas set by their DNR to manage their deer population rather than an ideological reason. I personally enjoy hunting with primitive weapons both muzzle loading and archery. It takes allot of hunting skills with limitations, challenges and things that can go wrong. Weather the hunt was successful or a bust it always makes a good story at camp and when you do take a nice buck using one these primitive weapons it's the story that is told and re-told many times over.
So, the hunter that can't afford a ML probably can't afford a hunting lease and probably doesn't own a lot of land either. Sounds like someone caving in to the lease hunters to me. The regular rifle season certainly seems long enough for the rifle hunters to get by.
Yeah, I don't get the point of this bill. Why even have a primitive weapons season? It seems like they're just punishing people who hunt on public land.
As to the argument that many don't have money to buy a muzzleloader, it's unfortunate, but not a very good argument. A simple muzzleloader is cheap compared to a modern rifle. At that rate, why not do away with the archery season and allow guns then too? Doesn't make any sense.
Muzzleloader baby! Anyone that hasn't given one a try doesn't know what they are missing. There is a bit of work involved to get a system in place. I use a muzzleloader with open sights during the regular rifle season in WI. My 50cal is deadliest weapon I own to 150 yards just because my vision holds me back. Just like bowhunting, it makes you refine your skill set as a hunter and there is where the fun and stories come from.
Thumbs-down. All hunters should have the same advantages/disadvantages possible. Why should modern firearms be legal on private land but not public? Why should land owners and lessees have an advantage over someone who has no choice but to hunt on public land? If this were my state, I would be making some phone calls.
How are they penalizing anyone. If someone has to pay tazx on a piece of land they should be allowed to hunt with what ever device they so choose,,especially for deet. People not from the south east need to realize that deer populations are crazy down here and it is not really that much of a challenge to kill a deer no matter what you are using. The taxes/fees paid by private property owners/lease holders help the state and if you get more privlages so be it.
*baron
Is it me, or do deer react differently when a ML fired vs. a high powered rifle..say 7mm mag. I'll shoot the 7 and the deer scatter like a fart in the wind. I fire a ML, and they seem less alarmed, and will stick around for a few more shots like a turd in the wind. Has anyone else noticed this, or do the deer I hunt realize that my ML is not the most efficant way of killing them....
Some of the primitive rifles I have seen are scoped, in line shotgun primmed with pyrodex pellets and sabots. How is this primitive or different from a single shot center fire rifle. It's not like anyone is knapping flints.
Pennsylvania has a flintlock only hunting season in late winter. I don't see the point of allowing center fire rifles to be used in Ol' Miss. It destroys the purpose of a primitive season completely.
The primitive seasons allow people like me who don't have access to private land a chance at fair chase deer. However, all the lease holders and landowners pull all the deer by using corn feeders. The same good ol boys that are in the house and senate in MS are the big landowners. They can sit in thier shooting houses and shoot deer over a pile of corn between trips to the buffet and liquor store all day if they want. I go out west now once a year and hunt muleys in the national forests. Id rather hike 20 miles and be outside HUNTING and never get anything than shooting pet, corn fed tame deer any day. My primitive seasons gun is an H&R .45-70 with irons. I treate it like archery and try to get a shot 50 yards and in. Most guys around here have gone to getting .444 marlins and scoping them with 3x9x40s anyway so what is the point?
Haven't you guys ever heard of the 10th Amendment? It's up the the people of M-i-s-s-i-s-s-p-p-i to decide how they regulate their hunting seasons. If you don't like it, you don't have to hunt there. Southern hunting is quite different than the wide open west or the heavy populated northeast. I don't know what some Midwestern states have against rifles, but I would abide by their laws and gear up appropriately. Somebody usually has the advantage when hunting, most of the time it's the deer.
I believe the intent was for this to do away with the two week primitive weapon only season in December. It was originally put in place to give the deer a ‘break’ halfway through the season. Well, here we are, it’s 2013 and now we have an ever-growing deer herd that numbers almost 2 million (or is it billion?). THEY DON’T NEED A BREAK!
The manufacturers of primitive weapons are certainly not in favor of this but I certainly am. Archery folks still get the first month and half of the season, so everybody quit whining. I’m trying to hunt over here.
Dumb law. Thats like how our DNR started a one month break during the middle of our fall hunting season. Supposedly its because the rut in the Everglades WAY south of us starts in the end of august and we can only have a certain amount of hunting days and bla bla bla. We miss out on one month of prime hunting time because of the way the deer are that have no effect on our deer. Oh, and it only affects private land since our management areas have different season schedules.
I know I am gonna get flammed for this but I see nothing wrong with it. I think as long as a season is open for a game animal a hunter should be able to use what ever they want to hunt, especailly on private land. As long as enforcement of bag limits is assured what difference does it make how the hunter bags an animal. A deer killed with a muzzle loader or a bow is just as dead as one killed with a modern rifle.
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