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May 28, 2010

Romano: Tell Me Your High, Dirty Water Tricks

By Tim Romano

Wikipedia describes runoff as, "water flow that occurs when soil is infiltrated to full capacity and excess water from rain, snowmelt, or other sources flows over the land." I'd like to amend that entry as "water flow that infiltrates my rivers to capacity with excess water from rain/snowmelt and disrupts the excitement of early season fishing with flotsam and jetsam severely limiting the numbers of aquatic vertebrates brought to hand."

Look at that water in the photo above. It's dirtier than the storm drain at the end of my street after a hard rain. That's my buddy casting dry flies a couple years ago this very month. Yeah, I said dry flies, and he was catching fish. He's that good. I'm usually not. When runoff hits in our part of the world I resort our local bass and carp ponds or stick almost exclusively to streamers with sinking lines on the rivers. I know Deeter has his fall back ideas for dirty water, but I want to know some of yours. Specifically for trout rivers.

I'm contemplating heading out this weekend on my boat and would love to fish. I know for certain though that the water will look much like the image above. If anyone has any new ideas for me, I'm all ears. What works best for you in runoff conditions?

TR

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from Koldkut wrote 1 year 52 weeks ago

swinging streamers like the steel guys do.

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from uplander12 wrote 1 year 52 weeks ago

Dynamite

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 52 weeks ago

I still spinfish more often than fly. On the local streams I kind of like high water for trout. They're not in all the usual holes, but you can be pretty certain if you make a presentation within a foot downstream of a rock or still water pocket, they will be holding there when the water is moving fast.

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from Koldkut wrote 1 year 52 weeks ago

Also, big stonefly nymphs along the banks edges durring runoff work great for browns.

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from ejunk wrote 1 year 52 weeks ago

hammer the banks!

yrs-
Evan!

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from tim_y wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

I got for the big and ugly. First I'll try some big buggy nymphs tight to the bank, then dark streamers (double bunny big) and if I do see some fish coming to the surface, I'll fish a dark dry.

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from hengst wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Yep, big streamer like a clouser, wooly bugger or gizzard shad pattern with crystal flash fished at the undercuts of the banks. I'll do it and catch fish but right about now a few higher up reservoirs are icing off and I have been killing 'em the last 2 weeks have been great in the reservoirs why get tendonitis in high-n-dirty water

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

back water flooded willow or tree lines.big ants or double renegades.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Walk into the water up to your knees. If you can't see your feet, it is called "bar water"....off to the local bar.

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Hey TR, here on the Eastern Slope of the High Sierras, our Trout Waters are medium to high-gradiant freestone streams, fed by snowmelt and surface RUNOFF...oohh, there's that "R" word again. We get 320 days of sunshine here, so the ph level is not affected by the acid rain as in some states. The daily sunlight promotes aquatic plant life and bugs for the 'bows, browns, cut-bows and LCT. But when our waters are stained, and they often are, the trout are nearly top water inactive, certainly not taking drys, but more than willing to munch on the point nymph off a dropper. We are very successful also in putting the shot-and-indicator rig or the Brooks Method to good use, with the fly tied Duncan Loop style on a short, 8 inch tippet. Get down, get deep with our Wet-Fly swings, making sure to quickly cover the water. Trout will still eat but it's tough to detect strikes with the split shot during runoff. If we can be on the River just when it BEGINS to rain, even with off-color conditions, watch out 'cause the trout will sense the sweetened water and you'll see flashes of white.

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from fflutterffly wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

I have to agree with Countitanddone. The runs in the sierra can be difficult to fish. I thinking more of the smaller rivers (streams) with a major run off of 500-600 and no more than 30' across. The water rushing snakes through a major valley, around 20 miles long, but the twisting and turning lengthens it out to more like 60. Since the river flows in these 'twisting' pattern my most success comes when fishing off the points of the turns. I position myself up stream on the side I believe the fish are. The fish will often lie in the lee side of the turn, waiting for some treat to flow past. I use a streamer, swimming it as if it is injured fish, playing it in the eddies with a down stream presentation, allowing the flies to travel where they will.
I've never heard of the double rigging named the Brooks method (Please give ref. where I may locate 411 on this), but I too have success with indicator and nymph, fished close to the bottom where the water tends not to be so filled with floating stuff. I find the deeper you can go the less 'muddied' the waters. Often we'll use very small dark midges!

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Hey fflutterffly, good post & you get a +1 from this cowboy. The late Charles Brooks of West Yellowstone, Montana, came up with this rig. His technique employs heavy tackle and the constant cast and airborne or water mend leaves your forearm limp after a day searching for CA browns. But they are big and worth the work. So, here:
*11ft switch rod 8wt OR 9ft 9wt tip flex two-handed rod
*1X to 0X, 3ft leader
*3 to 4 split shot, PSS 3/0 or 4/0 crimped 8 inches up the leader, tied with a knot so they won't slide down
*Duncan Loop a size 2 to 6 Wooly Bugger, Hellgrammite
or Charles Brooks Stone or Skunk Hair Caddis
Remember your target species...large browns, down deep,
will not take small midge or nymph patterns. It's all about energy expended by these slabs for a meal in off-
color, stained run off fast water.

The reference material is illustrated with text in a book I bought in 1998 called Fly Fishing for Trout IN
STREAMS. I checked for you and can be had at Amazon.com

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Sorry...the 9ft,9wt tip flex IS a one-handed rod...

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from aragonnapoles wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Like JOHN ANDERSON I prefer terrestrials,on dry or wet patterns both may work well..

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

use a dropper rig with a dry up front and a san juan worm behind. use split shot if needed.

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from hunt and fish wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Use a big streamer or use exactly what the fish are eating. Cuz they have to eat whether it's muddy or not

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Sayfu said it best. I would stay home or go to a bar if the water was chocolate milk but if I had to fish I would fish a deer hair muddler in the cuts along the edge of the banks. The big heads on the muddlers would displace enough water to get the fishing interested in knowing whats moving nearby.

Countitandone, Are you fishing near Reno or Tahoe?

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Here is an experience I had yesterday on the SF of the Snake. We floated 8 miles of river is high water, not that off colored, but what can happen on high water, and off colored water, is COLD temps.
And temperature can be the key. We got one fish to the boat using a double nymph rig below a "thing-a-mabob" I caught the fish anchored up in a sweet looking riffle that dropped in deep, on a bead-headed soft-hackle that I got down deep. When we took out at the ramp, there was a small jetboat guy and his buddy that came in that we saw anchored up in a slow water spot...he said he caught at least 50 trout!!!!..on what I asked?..nitecrawlers right on the bottom. They wouldn't even move to take a spinner fished deep. And that is what can happen during higher, cold water especially...make it dirty, and you have "bar water" if you have to search for fish. And for me?..fishing a nymph using split shot, and getting on the bottom gets old in a hurry after you break off several times.

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Hey buckhunter, yes I fish the Truckee River from Tahoe, as it flows through Reno to Pyramid Lake. This is a year round fishery, home to good size trout in good numbers.

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from FishontheFly wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

In Colorado, the runoff can get crazy but the hatches are still there. So I match the hatch or throw on a terrestrial and fish right off the banks.

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from masterbaetis wrote 1 year 50 weeks ago

Wading - I hardly get my feet wet, as most of the fish are right up on the bank. Double nymph rig - rubber legs and baetis.

Floating - slam the banks and eddies with a big ugly streamer and hang on tight.

Always look for slack water where noses might be popping up.

Have FUN!

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from LJRguide wrote 1 year 50 weeks ago

This may sound odd, but one of my favorite ways to fish the high muddy water here in central PA is to bounce a dark crawfish pattern along the bottom with a bunch of shot.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 50 weeks ago

LjRguide
I like that technique as a producer. To my way of thinking, and it isn't necessarily true. There is a lot of unscientific aspects to fly fishing that comes across as science, but here is my observation/thinking. The fish doesn't necessarily see it as a crawfish...the key is movement. That is why I'd like a woolly bugger as well as a realistic crawfish pattern..both need movement, and if you are going to lose them a bugger is easier to tie than many crawfish patterns I see tied. We can say the fish took it as a crawfish, or a fish took it as a leach, but the key is movement. We often make up what the fish took it for. My frustration, and some don't fret, is the snags you get, and breakoffs...new tippets needing to be tied as well as flies, and shot needed. The real toughie is the combination of high colored water, and cold water...fish don't move much to take the fly, and can't see it very far away anyway.
But you do what you have to do, and I like what you do.

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 52 weeks ago

I still spinfish more often than fly. On the local streams I kind of like high water for trout. They're not in all the usual holes, but you can be pretty certain if you make a presentation within a foot downstream of a rock or still water pocket, they will be holding there when the water is moving fast.

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

back water flooded willow or tree lines.big ants or double renegades.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Walk into the water up to your knees. If you can't see your feet, it is called "bar water"....off to the local bar.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from countitandone wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Hey TR, here on the Eastern Slope of the High Sierras, our Trout Waters are medium to high-gradiant freestone streams, fed by snowmelt and surface RUNOFF...oohh, there's that "R" word again. We get 320 days of sunshine here, so the ph level is not affected by the acid rain as in some states. The daily sunlight promotes aquatic plant life and bugs for the 'bows, browns, cut-bows and LCT. But when our waters are stained, and they often are, the trout are nearly top water inactive, certainly not taking drys, but more than willing to munch on the point nymph off a dropper. We are very successful also in putting the shot-and-indicator rig or the Brooks Method to good use, with the fly tied Duncan Loop style on a short, 8 inch tippet. Get down, get deep with our Wet-Fly swings, making sure to quickly cover the water. Trout will still eat but it's tough to detect strikes with the split shot during runoff. If we can be on the River just when it BEGINS to rain, even with off-color conditions, watch out 'cause the trout will sense the sweetened water and you'll see flashes of white.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from fflutterffly wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

I have to agree with Countitanddone. The runs in the sierra can be difficult to fish. I thinking more of the smaller rivers (streams) with a major run off of 500-600 and no more than 30' across. The water rushing snakes through a major valley, around 20 miles long, but the twisting and turning lengthens it out to more like 60. Since the river flows in these 'twisting' pattern my most success comes when fishing off the points of the turns. I position myself up stream on the side I believe the fish are. The fish will often lie in the lee side of the turn, waiting for some treat to flow past. I use a streamer, swimming it as if it is injured fish, playing it in the eddies with a down stream presentation, allowing the flies to travel where they will.
I've never heard of the double rigging named the Brooks method (Please give ref. where I may locate 411 on this), but I too have success with indicator and nymph, fished close to the bottom where the water tends not to be so filled with floating stuff. I find the deeper you can go the less 'muddied' the waters. Often we'll use very small dark midges!

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from jamesti wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

use a dropper rig with a dry up front and a san juan worm behind. use split shot if needed.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from hunt and fish wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Use a big streamer or use exactly what the fish are eating. Cuz they have to eat whether it's muddy or not

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from LJRguide wrote 1 year 50 weeks ago

This may sound odd, but one of my favorite ways to fish the high muddy water here in central PA is to bounce a dark crawfish pattern along the bottom with a bunch of shot.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Koldkut wrote 1 year 52 weeks ago

swinging streamers like the steel guys do.

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from uplander12 wrote 1 year 52 weeks ago

Dynamite

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from Koldkut wrote 1 year 52 weeks ago

Also, big stonefly nymphs along the banks edges durring runoff work great for browns.

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from ejunk wrote 1 year 52 weeks ago

hammer the banks!

yrs-
Evan!

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from tim_y wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

I got for the big and ugly. First I'll try some big buggy nymphs tight to the bank, then dark streamers (double bunny big) and if I do see some fish coming to the surface, I'll fish a dark dry.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from hengst wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Yep, big streamer like a clouser, wooly bugger or gizzard shad pattern with crystal flash fished at the undercuts of the banks. I'll do it and catch fish but right about now a few higher up reservoirs are icing off and I have been killing 'em the last 2 weeks have been great in the reservoirs why get tendonitis in high-n-dirty water

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from countitandone wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Hey fflutterffly, good post & you get a +1 from this cowboy. The late Charles Brooks of West Yellowstone, Montana, came up with this rig. His technique employs heavy tackle and the constant cast and airborne or water mend leaves your forearm limp after a day searching for CA browns. But they are big and worth the work. So, here:
*11ft switch rod 8wt OR 9ft 9wt tip flex two-handed rod
*1X to 0X, 3ft leader
*3 to 4 split shot, PSS 3/0 or 4/0 crimped 8 inches up the leader, tied with a knot so they won't slide down
*Duncan Loop a size 2 to 6 Wooly Bugger, Hellgrammite
or Charles Brooks Stone or Skunk Hair Caddis
Remember your target species...large browns, down deep,
will not take small midge or nymph patterns. It's all about energy expended by these slabs for a meal in off-
color, stained run off fast water.

The reference material is illustrated with text in a book I bought in 1998 called Fly Fishing for Trout IN
STREAMS. I checked for you and can be had at Amazon.com

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from countitandone wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Sorry...the 9ft,9wt tip flex IS a one-handed rod...

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from aragonnapoles wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Like JOHN ANDERSON I prefer terrestrials,on dry or wet patterns both may work well..

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Sayfu said it best. I would stay home or go to a bar if the water was chocolate milk but if I had to fish I would fish a deer hair muddler in the cuts along the edge of the banks. The big heads on the muddlers would displace enough water to get the fishing interested in knowing whats moving nearby.

Countitandone, Are you fishing near Reno or Tahoe?

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Sayfu wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Here is an experience I had yesterday on the SF of the Snake. We floated 8 miles of river is high water, not that off colored, but what can happen on high water, and off colored water, is COLD temps.
And temperature can be the key. We got one fish to the boat using a double nymph rig below a "thing-a-mabob" I caught the fish anchored up in a sweet looking riffle that dropped in deep, on a bead-headed soft-hackle that I got down deep. When we took out at the ramp, there was a small jetboat guy and his buddy that came in that we saw anchored up in a slow water spot...he said he caught at least 50 trout!!!!..on what I asked?..nitecrawlers right on the bottom. They wouldn't even move to take a spinner fished deep. And that is what can happen during higher, cold water especially...make it dirty, and you have "bar water" if you have to search for fish. And for me?..fishing a nymph using split shot, and getting on the bottom gets old in a hurry after you break off several times.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from countitandone wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Hey buckhunter, yes I fish the Truckee River from Tahoe, as it flows through Reno to Pyramid Lake. This is a year round fishery, home to good size trout in good numbers.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from FishontheFly wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

In Colorado, the runoff can get crazy but the hatches are still there. So I match the hatch or throw on a terrestrial and fish right off the banks.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from masterbaetis wrote 1 year 50 weeks ago

Wading - I hardly get my feet wet, as most of the fish are right up on the bank. Double nymph rig - rubber legs and baetis.

Floating - slam the banks and eddies with a big ugly streamer and hang on tight.

Always look for slack water where noses might be popping up.

Have FUN!

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Sayfu wrote 1 year 50 weeks ago

LjRguide
I like that technique as a producer. To my way of thinking, and it isn't necessarily true. There is a lot of unscientific aspects to fly fishing that comes across as science, but here is my observation/thinking. The fish doesn't necessarily see it as a crawfish...the key is movement. That is why I'd like a woolly bugger as well as a realistic crawfish pattern..both need movement, and if you are going to lose them a bugger is easier to tie than many crawfish patterns I see tied. We can say the fish took it as a crawfish, or a fish took it as a leach, but the key is movement. We often make up what the fish took it for. My frustration, and some don't fret, is the snags you get, and breakoffs...new tippets needing to be tied as well as flies, and shot needed. The real toughie is the combination of high colored water, and cold water...fish don't move much to take the fly, and can't see it very far away anyway.
But you do what you have to do, and I like what you do.

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