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June 29, 2010

Tie Talk: Whip Finish Like A Pro

By Tim Romano

I'll admit I'm not the best fly tier and when I find tips that visually explain how to use a tool or technique better I'm usually pretty excited. This short video by Tim Flagler over on Midcurrent gives beginners and experts some great tips on using a whip finish tool...arguably the one tool that gets tiers running scared. Don't fret, using one isn't that hard. - TR

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Here's my prejudiced opinion, for what it is worth. Since watching a Gary Borger video decades ago, I have felt no need for a whip finisher..Forget what he calls it, but it is a very simple finishing knot that places the thread underneath itself two times...you can tie it easily forward in front of any hackle, and with a drop of head cement I have never had one come undone that I can remember. Borgers comment, and I will never forget it.."are we tying the fly to fish with?...or wearing it in our lapel"...and then the simple, finishing knot.

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

It matters not, your preference when it comes to finishing off another perfect imitation. What does matter is time spent, per fly pattern when tying half a dozen in size 14 only to repeat that receipe, six more, in size 18. Although I have thoroughly enjoyed this craft for many years, and still find it very relaxing, my time is valuable to me. With target species in mind, I will typically tie a dozen or more in various hook sizes just before the hunt.

I'm big on giving away successful flys to others at the stream when that pattern is the only thing working. With my back-ups in tow, I make new friends...instantly!

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from Koldkut wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

I don't have problems with my whip finishes comming undone , even without head cement. I do use the other style of finisher though(matarelli).

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

I swore my first whip finisher was for a left handed person but after some practice they become second nature. I have since graduated to the one that swivels which means... well actually nothing. They both do the same thing.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

countitandone,
You tie "perfect flies?" I've got something to look forward to. I haven't tied one yet.

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

ohh, thats what the thingy in my kit was for years ago ;)

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from MLH wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

One of the most brilliant inventions of modern man. Indispensable for my clumsy fingers.

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Sayfu, remember Deeter's post back in May...the perfect fly only means it will catch what you're after! And I know you've done that time and time again...

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from AnglerWise wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Whip finish knot or not... I still soak the head of the fly with the craziest glue/head cement I can find. It makes the fly last alot longer, in my case.

William @ AnglerWise.com

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from WVOtter wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Thanks for posting that video. Properly finishing off a fly has been one of my weaker points in the process. Even when painstakingly looking at instuctions, the finished head ends up way too big or with gaps...but seeing that looped video helps make it tangible; I'm looking forward to using the tips.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Count, AHH, I didn't read that one. That is the perfect fly. My deal on tying flies, is, I sit down and tie a fly, and then the next one is just a little different. I may add something different. I tie a bunch of them, and then when I catch a fish, I want them all to be like that one, but many of the rest are just a little different!
And head cement, or no head cement?..Some can view it, that if you catch a fish on the fly the fly has served its purpose, don't complain if it falls apart. Thread will loosen up when wet..head cement prevents that. I want a durable fly that when things are going good, I may be able to catch a bunch of fish on that fly, and not waste time tying on another one. The problem is getting the cement in the eye of the hook, and the frustration of then trying to tie on a fly. Lately, I have been using the very small plastic beads that come in XSM, and SM. I bend down the barb, and slip one on running it up to the head of the hook. That becomes the bug head, the head of the fly, and you tie up to that. They come in blk., brn., peacock, and look good when you finish off the fly never now crowding the hook eye, and not getting cement in the eye because you apply it behind the bead. I use them on dry flies as there is virtually no added weight., and I use them on my nymphs, and soft hackles, as well as some streamers. But those have metal beads, and some bigger beads to get them down. My XMS's will just fit over a #12 dry fly hook, and I use the SM's on the bigger, hoppers, and stone flies I tie. The size of an XSM is about that of an "O")

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from rdorman wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

it is a scarey skill to learn, it just looks intimidating. A video like that makes it look less complicated. I already learned to awhile ago, but that would have made it easier.

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Sayfu, great to hear from you! And I like the idea about the plastic bead head taking the place of the whipped finish/head cement routine! Brilliant.

My first instructor (I've had a few)had us tie the Cary Stevens Special. He told me to keep it and look at it over the years to come, because he thought I would stay with the craft forever. A True Sage, he was.

I tied 6 Cary Specials that day back in 1969, kept them all and man are they pathetic attempts! Over the years, it's still a fly of choice when searching and, as you know, was very popular around Washington State Waters.

I doubt your instructor asked you to keep your very first fly, or did he? Later, alligator...

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

I learned to long ago we didn't use a bobbin...just a length of thread and half hitched off everytime we stopped to add something else. I kept way tooo many of those early flies...hundreds of them that I wouldn't throw away thinking I would save the hook. Finally I couldn't stand looking at them, and threw literally hundreds of them away. I do use head cement. With the Borger knot I wet the thread with lacquer, form the knot, and zip, in goes the lacquer into the knot when I pull it up. Kinda like kissing a duck's ass without getting feathers up your nose...you gotta be quick.

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

it looked a lot harder when i first heard about it. untill then, i just used my hands or a paper clip. now, i loveit.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Koldcut,

I saw your carp photo made the top 50. Good job man.

Sayfu,

I'll take your word on kissing a ducks ass.

Count,

How do you tie a Carrie Stevens Special?

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

I'm thinkin he means a Carey Special. Originated by a Canadian Military guy, I believe...Admiral Carey comes to mind. They used the long, rump hackles of the ringneck pheasant up front after a pheasant tail fiber tail, and assortment of different body material for the body..black, olive chenille...a popular one was a self bodied Carey that had pheasant tail fibers wrapped for the body then the long, rump feather hackled. There was a pea-green died rump feather on a self-bodied Carey called a six-pac that was a great lake pattern. I've tied a popular one up lately that has the body wrapped with pea-cock strands. That one has to be ribbed to strengthen the pea-cock. They were tied on 2x-3x lg. hooks, Mustad 9672's or 9671's size #12-#6's..strip pauses to make the long hackle open, and close for lake fishing. I am using them on the wet fly swing in the river.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

Thanks Sayfu.

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

Thanks Sayfu for answering buck...

buck, here's a youtube version by Todd Oishi and true to the receipe I first used back when, works as a searcher today, good damsel fly nymph imitation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7IFHYHGjLY

There are several instructional videos out there on this fly. The one I'm offering you has "Hey Jude" background music. Which proves two things...

*It takes 7 minutes to tie
*Todd obviously has great taste in music!

Alright guys...gentlemen, start your bbq's!

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from jmalmin wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

Thanks for the video instruction. Its very clear and the modification of the tool is simply brilliant. I will be doing the modification to my whip finisher to help me tie my flies I sell at http://flyfishingeuphoria.com. Thanks again!!

John

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

I swore my first whip finisher was for a left handed person but after some practice they become second nature. I have since graduated to the one that swivels which means... well actually nothing. They both do the same thing.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from ingebrigtsen wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

ohh, thats what the thingy in my kit was for years ago ;)

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Sayfu wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Count, AHH, I didn't read that one. That is the perfect fly. My deal on tying flies, is, I sit down and tie a fly, and then the next one is just a little different. I may add something different. I tie a bunch of them, and then when I catch a fish, I want them all to be like that one, but many of the rest are just a little different!
And head cement, or no head cement?..Some can view it, that if you catch a fish on the fly the fly has served its purpose, don't complain if it falls apart. Thread will loosen up when wet..head cement prevents that. I want a durable fly that when things are going good, I may be able to catch a bunch of fish on that fly, and not waste time tying on another one. The problem is getting the cement in the eye of the hook, and the frustration of then trying to tie on a fly. Lately, I have been using the very small plastic beads that come in XSM, and SM. I bend down the barb, and slip one on running it up to the head of the hook. That becomes the bug head, the head of the fly, and you tie up to that. They come in blk., brn., peacock, and look good when you finish off the fly never now crowding the hook eye, and not getting cement in the eye because you apply it behind the bead. I use them on dry flies as there is virtually no added weight., and I use them on my nymphs, and soft hackles, as well as some streamers. But those have metal beads, and some bigger beads to get them down. My XMS's will just fit over a #12 dry fly hook, and I use the SM's on the bigger, hoppers, and stone flies I tie. The size of an XSM is about that of an "O")

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from rdorman wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

it is a scarey skill to learn, it just looks intimidating. A video like that makes it look less complicated. I already learned to awhile ago, but that would have made it easier.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Sayfu wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Here's my prejudiced opinion, for what it is worth. Since watching a Gary Borger video decades ago, I have felt no need for a whip finisher..Forget what he calls it, but it is a very simple finishing knot that places the thread underneath itself two times...you can tie it easily forward in front of any hackle, and with a drop of head cement I have never had one come undone that I can remember. Borgers comment, and I will never forget it.."are we tying the fly to fish with?...or wearing it in our lapel"...and then the simple, finishing knot.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from countitandone wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

It matters not, your preference when it comes to finishing off another perfect imitation. What does matter is time spent, per fly pattern when tying half a dozen in size 14 only to repeat that receipe, six more, in size 18. Although I have thoroughly enjoyed this craft for many years, and still find it very relaxing, my time is valuable to me. With target species in mind, I will typically tie a dozen or more in various hook sizes just before the hunt.

I'm big on giving away successful flys to others at the stream when that pattern is the only thing working. With my back-ups in tow, I make new friends...instantly!

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Koldkut wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

I don't have problems with my whip finishes comming undone , even without head cement. I do use the other style of finisher though(matarelli).

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Sayfu wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

countitandone,
You tie "perfect flies?" I've got something to look forward to. I haven't tied one yet.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from MLH wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

One of the most brilliant inventions of modern man. Indispensable for my clumsy fingers.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from countitandone wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Sayfu, remember Deeter's post back in May...the perfect fly only means it will catch what you're after! And I know you've done that time and time again...

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from AnglerWise wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Whip finish knot or not... I still soak the head of the fly with the craziest glue/head cement I can find. It makes the fly last alot longer, in my case.

William @ AnglerWise.com

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from WVOtter wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Thanks for posting that video. Properly finishing off a fly has been one of my weaker points in the process. Even when painstakingly looking at instuctions, the finished head ends up way too big or with gaps...but seeing that looped video helps make it tangible; I'm looking forward to using the tips.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from countitandone wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Sayfu, great to hear from you! And I like the idea about the plastic bead head taking the place of the whipped finish/head cement routine! Brilliant.

My first instructor (I've had a few)had us tie the Cary Stevens Special. He told me to keep it and look at it over the years to come, because he thought I would stay with the craft forever. A True Sage, he was.

I tied 6 Cary Specials that day back in 1969, kept them all and man are they pathetic attempts! Over the years, it's still a fly of choice when searching and, as you know, was very popular around Washington State Waters.

I doubt your instructor asked you to keep your very first fly, or did he? Later, alligator...

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Sayfu wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

I learned to long ago we didn't use a bobbin...just a length of thread and half hitched off everytime we stopped to add something else. I kept way tooo many of those early flies...hundreds of them that I wouldn't throw away thinking I would save the hook. Finally I couldn't stand looking at them, and threw literally hundreds of them away. I do use head cement. With the Borger knot I wet the thread with lacquer, form the knot, and zip, in goes the lacquer into the knot when I pull it up. Kinda like kissing a duck's ass without getting feathers up your nose...you gotta be quick.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from jamesti wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

it looked a lot harder when i first heard about it. untill then, i just used my hands or a paper clip. now, i loveit.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from buckhunter wrote 1 year 47 weeks ago

Koldcut,

I saw your carp photo made the top 50. Good job man.

Sayfu,

I'll take your word on kissing a ducks ass.

Count,

How do you tie a Carrie Stevens Special?

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Sayfu wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

I'm thinkin he means a Carey Special. Originated by a Canadian Military guy, I believe...Admiral Carey comes to mind. They used the long, rump hackles of the ringneck pheasant up front after a pheasant tail fiber tail, and assortment of different body material for the body..black, olive chenille...a popular one was a self bodied Carey that had pheasant tail fibers wrapped for the body then the long, rump feather hackled. There was a pea-green died rump feather on a self-bodied Carey called a six-pac that was a great lake pattern. I've tied a popular one up lately that has the body wrapped with pea-cock strands. That one has to be ribbed to strengthen the pea-cock. They were tied on 2x-3x lg. hooks, Mustad 9672's or 9671's size #12-#6's..strip pauses to make the long hackle open, and close for lake fishing. I am using them on the wet fly swing in the river.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

Thanks Sayfu.

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

Thanks Sayfu for answering buck...

buck, here's a youtube version by Todd Oishi and true to the receipe I first used back when, works as a searcher today, good damsel fly nymph imitation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7IFHYHGjLY

There are several instructional videos out there on this fly. The one I'm offering you has "Hey Jude" background music. Which proves two things...

*It takes 7 minutes to tie
*Todd obviously has great taste in music!

Alright guys...gentlemen, start your bbq's!

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from jmalmin wrote 1 year 46 weeks ago

Thanks for the video instruction. Its very clear and the modification of the tool is simply brilliant. I will be doing the modification to my whip finisher to help me tie my flies I sell at http://flyfishingeuphoria.com. Thanks again!!

John

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