


July 28, 2010
A Deeter Fly Strategy: Make it a Double
By Kirk Deeter
I use two flies at a time in 90 percent of trout fishing situations. On a base level, one might think "double the flies, double the odds," and to a degree, that may be so. But I've learned that with some strategic thought poured into how you mix and match your fly combinations, you can dramatically improve your results.
For example, it's often a good idea to cover various insect stages. Fish a dun (adult) pattern with an emerger. That way you show the fish the appetizer and the main entree in one drift.
Sometimes the combo is designed to help the angler, more than it is intended to trick the fish. I often use a big dry fly with a tiny dry fly. The fish eats the bug I usually cannot see, but I know to set the hook when I see the rise form near the fly I can track.
The best trick of all is to use an attractor fly--on the surface or on a nymph rig. I see it over and over when I put on a mask and dive with trout. The fish turns on the gaudy fly, and then eats the more subtle pattern. The video below goes into more detail on how to mix and match "dance partners" for more effective trout fishing. Enjoy.
For more tips or to purchase the The Little Red Book of Fly Fishing click the link below.
http://www.redbookflyfishing.com/
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Comments (12)
I stopped fishing tandem rigs years ago. Between tangles, losing two flies with each snag and the extra time it takes to tie on the set-up it’s just more relaxing to tie on one fly and fish. I may catch less fish but that does not matter to me
Buck, I had that same hatred with tangling. But I figured out, most line (tippet spools) are too soft. take some 2 4 6 and 8 pd with you when you fish, that comes in the "Conventional" spools (ex. Triline xt or suffix) and use that. It tends to be stiffer, making the tailing fly stay above the lead fly.
Stop revealing my secrets Deeter! Just kiddin, good post-
AP,
The stiff tippet to avoid line wrap is an old trick. I’m still a one fly guy. Thanks for the advice though.
In the current issue of F&S Merwin suggest no dropper with the hopper. You are able to cast it closer to the bank without snagging the bank.
There is no question a lot of anglers are going to the two fly system, and there are all kinds of combos. If the situation calls for a small, dry fly,,and it is hard to see, you can drop the small dry behind a bigger dry fly you can see. There are definitely draw backs and advantages. I often throw to banks, and the big fly may land great, tight to the bank, and the trailer hangs up. Get a fish in the net, and the flies are harder to get out. What often turns me off to the two fly system is the fish has the fly in his mouth, and the other one is wrapped around his head, and stuck outside the mouth, maybe in the eye...flat ugly. I find also, that the best settup to eliminate foul ups casting is to rig the dropper off the bend of the bigger, front fly. Cast decent letting the backcast straighten out, and few problems, BUT, I sure would like to know the statistics on which fly gets taken most often? It sure seems to me like the nymph dropper that often gets used, hanging back off the bigger dry fly, gets taken 80-90% of the time. If that is the case why not just a bobber/dropper. I like to think I've got what they are taking..looking up, or, if not, I need to fish a nymph, or a soft hackle, and go with it. There are times when the fish won't move off the bottom, and all the guides out here are using the big bobbers, and a double nymph rig 6-8' down from the bobber. I never go that route. Just no fun for me.
Thanks Deeter. Best point fly ever: GIRDLE BUG!!! I hate throwing that minimal ugly looking thing, but it not only attracts, it also gets its fair share of strikes too. The one quesiton I have though (and maybe this is in the Little Red Book) is in regard to fishing emergers. What are your thoughts on the floatant air bubble technique? Is it realistic for a hatching bug? Did you see or try that when doing the under water shots? Thanks.
The double fly rig saved my trip in the Smokies at the end of June. The trip got pushed back a few weeks from the normal time and there was nothing and I mean nothing hatching. Even the buggers and ants were striking out. Me and my buddies ended up with two combos that accounted for all the fish caught on a 4 day weekend. A pink San Juan with a inch worm and a stimulator trailed by a miniscule hares ear. The thing that got me was that the inch worm nor any nymph in box worked without the San Juan or stimulator leading the show.
What's the deal here? First watches, now shoes. Some people just try to ruin a good thing.
vtbluegrass,
And that has been my frustrating experience trying to avoid the double rigs...two flies seems to outfish one fly by the very fact that two flies produce more of an interest than just one. The one enhances the other. The other thing that takes place is not only is that first fly an attractor, but it presents the 2nd fly in the zone much better than if you fished it alone. What I have also seen, and few anglers use it, is the wet fly "sets" I think they call them. And I think it is a European technique/approach. There is a wet fly tied at the end, and then above that spaced out on the leader are 2, or three more wet flies coming off the leader. Cast straight out, mend, follow, and you have all of these wets going down stream...very effective where it is legal to use that many.
When high sticking I always use a double fly with all combinations as possible:wet-wet,wet-dry,dry-wet,dry-dry also popper and dropper,some times work the more improbable.
I need the red book Deeter but I'm waiting my prize...
I use a big gaudy bug as a cheater indicator - rarely do I use a real indicator anymore. I got tired of fish hitting the non-hooked indicator. I rarely have problems tangling double flies (maybe it's my natural open loops) ... triples are another story. I do lose droppers quite often, though.
If you're not worried about a soft landing I think it helps to do a quick haul on the fly line to get the dropper fly leader straight before it hits the water.
I agree with those who think it's often more trouble than it's worth to try to double up and I don't like spending my fishing time tying on flies and fixing rigs.
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Stop revealing my secrets Deeter! Just kiddin, good post-
I stopped fishing tandem rigs years ago. Between tangles, losing two flies with each snag and the extra time it takes to tie on the set-up it’s just more relaxing to tie on one fly and fish. I may catch less fish but that does not matter to me
Buck, I had that same hatred with tangling. But I figured out, most line (tippet spools) are too soft. take some 2 4 6 and 8 pd with you when you fish, that comes in the "Conventional" spools (ex. Triline xt or suffix) and use that. It tends to be stiffer, making the tailing fly stay above the lead fly.
AP,
The stiff tippet to avoid line wrap is an old trick. I’m still a one fly guy. Thanks for the advice though.
In the current issue of F&S Merwin suggest no dropper with the hopper. You are able to cast it closer to the bank without snagging the bank.
There is no question a lot of anglers are going to the two fly system, and there are all kinds of combos. If the situation calls for a small, dry fly,,and it is hard to see, you can drop the small dry behind a bigger dry fly you can see. There are definitely draw backs and advantages. I often throw to banks, and the big fly may land great, tight to the bank, and the trailer hangs up. Get a fish in the net, and the flies are harder to get out. What often turns me off to the two fly system is the fish has the fly in his mouth, and the other one is wrapped around his head, and stuck outside the mouth, maybe in the eye...flat ugly. I find also, that the best settup to eliminate foul ups casting is to rig the dropper off the bend of the bigger, front fly. Cast decent letting the backcast straighten out, and few problems, BUT, I sure would like to know the statistics on which fly gets taken most often? It sure seems to me like the nymph dropper that often gets used, hanging back off the bigger dry fly, gets taken 80-90% of the time. If that is the case why not just a bobber/dropper. I like to think I've got what they are taking..looking up, or, if not, I need to fish a nymph, or a soft hackle, and go with it. There are times when the fish won't move off the bottom, and all the guides out here are using the big bobbers, and a double nymph rig 6-8' down from the bobber. I never go that route. Just no fun for me.
Thanks Deeter. Best point fly ever: GIRDLE BUG!!! I hate throwing that minimal ugly looking thing, but it not only attracts, it also gets its fair share of strikes too. The one quesiton I have though (and maybe this is in the Little Red Book) is in regard to fishing emergers. What are your thoughts on the floatant air bubble technique? Is it realistic for a hatching bug? Did you see or try that when doing the under water shots? Thanks.
The double fly rig saved my trip in the Smokies at the end of June. The trip got pushed back a few weeks from the normal time and there was nothing and I mean nothing hatching. Even the buggers and ants were striking out. Me and my buddies ended up with two combos that accounted for all the fish caught on a 4 day weekend. A pink San Juan with a inch worm and a stimulator trailed by a miniscule hares ear. The thing that got me was that the inch worm nor any nymph in box worked without the San Juan or stimulator leading the show.
What's the deal here? First watches, now shoes. Some people just try to ruin a good thing.
vtbluegrass,
And that has been my frustrating experience trying to avoid the double rigs...two flies seems to outfish one fly by the very fact that two flies produce more of an interest than just one. The one enhances the other. The other thing that takes place is not only is that first fly an attractor, but it presents the 2nd fly in the zone much better than if you fished it alone. What I have also seen, and few anglers use it, is the wet fly "sets" I think they call them. And I think it is a European technique/approach. There is a wet fly tied at the end, and then above that spaced out on the leader are 2, or three more wet flies coming off the leader. Cast straight out, mend, follow, and you have all of these wets going down stream...very effective where it is legal to use that many.
When high sticking I always use a double fly with all combinations as possible:wet-wet,wet-dry,dry-wet,dry-dry also popper and dropper,some times work the more improbable.
I need the red book Deeter but I'm waiting my prize...
I use a big gaudy bug as a cheater indicator - rarely do I use a real indicator anymore. I got tired of fish hitting the non-hooked indicator. I rarely have problems tangling double flies (maybe it's my natural open loops) ... triples are another story. I do lose droppers quite often, though.
If you're not worried about a soft landing I think it helps to do a quick haul on the fly line to get the dropper fly leader straight before it hits the water.
I agree with those who think it's often more trouble than it's worth to try to double up and I don't like spending my fishing time tying on flies and fixing rigs.
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