


August 09, 2010
Deeter: Trout Aren't Predators...Right?
By Kirk Deeter
I'm not going to suggest that trout have the predatory ferocity of sharks, or northern pike, or even largemouth bass. But they do have their moments...
Case in point: Check out this photo sent by my friend John Flick, co- owner of Duranglers Fly Shop in Durango, Colorado. Guide Cory Craven is holding a rainbow trout that not only choked down a (not much) smaller brown trout, it also ate a fly. Things like this happen on the wild rivers in southwestern Colorado.
I was once fully convinced that rainbows were merely timid bug-eaters until I spent an afternoon on a remote Alaskan creek with Tyler Palmerton, tossing mouse flies. We caught 18 fish, all over 20 inches long, all on furry dry flies, in the middle of the day.
I've also seen things eat in the middle of the night on certain Michigan rivers that make me think twice about dipping my toes in the water.
My new theory is that trout that eat little bitty flies all day (or don't eat at all), do so because they get the snot pounded out of them by anglers during prime fishing hours. The "predatory nature" of trout is sometimes directly proportional to the amount of flies trout see.
The lesson? If you can avoid the circus on the river... make it a meal.
Deeter
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Those Michigan rivers are crazy- Monsters lurk in those brushpiles... O_O
Accidents happen..a southbound hog got in the northbound lane. Happens every once in awhile. Give the guy the breathalyser.
Now that's a mouth full!
Amen Beekeeper !!!
there's something you don't see everyday.
Soooo, does that count as catching one fish, or two fish?
I've had the good fortune to explore waters in Chile and Argentina where trout have literally never been fished. In those places, the big fish often acted like pike, and our tactics to catch them would acknowledge that.
A few years back in Northern Manitoba we caught walleye in the middle of the afternoon on poppers. It was a fish every cast til we tired of them.
Before that I had never seen a walleye that wasn't deep during the day.
So all these years of catching rainbows on streamers and what I really should have been using was dry flies because rainbows don't eat other fish? I learn something new every day.
I'd say that trout bit off more than he can chew. I wouldn't release that guy, he ain't gonna make it...should have stuck with the bugs.
Does that mean we should be killing (as in eating ) the big trout to save the smaller ones? Some people support that hypothesis.
At night in Michigan waters I always worried more about what was on the banks than on the water ... but with these beaver attacks lately I am considering at least wearing a cup in the water. Do they make Kevlar waders?
Your theory on pounded trout and little bugs holds true by me. On the rivers I fish the trout on the heaviest hit parts often wont eat anything unless it's two sizes smaller than what's hatching. On other parts, I've seen spin guys nail big rainbows & browns routinely on Rapalas and the like. I think trout are predators, sometimes what they prey on changes. They are also opportunists and will prey on what's easiest, be it bugs, fish or whatever (I once saw a brown nail a frog bass style).
MLH That ain't no beaver! That's a Michigan Wolverine!.. meaner than a junk yard dog, and can whip a Spartan any day. I'd say those guys had a lot of fun contriving that picture.
Predation is not only limited to the great northwest or even the mid-west. Here on the Kern River Guy Jeans, guide and owner of Kern River Trout Fishing had a similar catch while wading the upper section of the river. Though I don't have a photo it was a tail to mouth take with a nice 18" Bow sucking down a smaller cuz.
When I was growing up my dad told me this was a dog eat dog world, boy was he wrong, it really is a fish eat fish world. I bet that the rainbow was saying, thats the last time I will open my big mouth during the anual running of the browns.
18" is a good estimate when trout turn to mainly feeding on other fish, and bigger hunks of protein than bugs...to much calories used up for the protein taken in consuming bugs. They can't get their daily needs. Much easier to rest much of the day saving calories and energy, and then consume a bigger meal at the preferred time..brown trout of that size and bigger, are notorious for that, and eat during low light, early morning, or evening/nite conditions. Some guys out here camp out in our canyon on the SF during Oct. and swing streamers off the gravel bars at nite (timing full moon conditions) into the deeper water and catch some huge browns chasing smaller fish into the shallows. Very few of these fish are caught during the daylight hours all Summer long.
BS Photo....
WA Hunter...I agree with you. Look at that smurk on the guys face in the background...he looks like the architect.
If you ever cleaned a trout, you would see that it's digestive tract is not large enough to handle a trout that size. This is one you will have to prove to me before I believe it. Either photoshopped or shoved down it's gullet.
Haha he looks so confused
WA mtn hunter and Sayfu- I know the guide in this photo and this was not photoshopped or shoved down his throat. Not sure that a boat full of paying clients would think it's very kosher or that it would be good PR for the guide service to do such a thing. Maybe you should go clean some more trout to re-investigate their internal workings and digestive systems. I've caught 15" cutthroat in BC that have been taken head first by 25" bulls down the tail and laneded that way...yes, only a 10" difference in size. It's not that uncommon.. It is possible and it does happen. The fish in the picture actually ate a size 10 dry fly off the surface with this fish in his mouth. Since you seem to be a fish biologist please explain this to me. Oh, and Sayfu, Do you ever smirk and smile and show emotion when you're out fishing on a beautiful river and something cool just happened? Just curious
i have to wonder how that fish would have been able or even interestd in a fly with his mouth so full. something not right about the whole story. sorry, not convinced.
Streamer,
To satisfy your curiosity, I smirk, and smile, all the time, but it has no relation to whether anything was true, or not. Can an individual fish commit an act of stupidity like a lot of humans commit all the time? I would think so. I once saw a fish at a weigh in that won a fishing contest, and when they cleaned it, the stupid fish had eaten several pretty good size lead sinkers!
I caught the fish in the picture. My friend in the back of the boat, who is not an architect by the way, netted the fish. After he removed my parachute adams he noticed what he thought was another fly broken off in the fish. He took his foreceps and proceeded to pull the other fish out. The tail was not visible initially. We were rather surprised by this- it seems you mistake smirks for laughter. We returned the fish to the water and he swam away with his meal intact. Why this fish thought he needed to eat a #10 adams is beyond me- dessert?
I think the truth of the story is in the confrontation that went on before you fly hooked that fish. That smaller fish was one tough dude, and he confronted the bigger fella telling him he was going to tear his heart out, and was doing just that when you caught the guy.
Ive seen a similiar situation, but on a smaller scale.I once caught a 12" brookie that had a 7" brookie stuck in its throat....didnt seem to bother it enough to keep it off my panther martin
I am not an architect, but I have seen a few billfish caught and they occasionally throw-up their stomachs in the process of being hooked and played. It may be possible that this is what happened with this fish. It ate the fly, then partially regurgitated the contents of its stomach during the fight. Just a thought for all the fish biologists on this thread....
Senator, You guys validate the thought I have had for a long, long time, and that is the fact that fly anglers are very visual. They are very observant of their surroundings more so than bait, and hardware fisherman...but along with that goes a vivid imagination. I've listened to flyfishermen tell of swimming with fish, and learning to think like one...know why they took a fly like a bunch of undulating marabou taking it for a leach, even taking the undulating leach eating an egg if the color was egg like at the head of the undulating marabou. Gotta make fishing a lot more fun. I still think there could be sharks in my river in Idaho if I fell in.
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Accidents happen..a southbound hog got in the northbound lane. Happens every once in awhile. Give the guy the breathalyser.
Those Michigan rivers are crazy- Monsters lurk in those brushpiles... O_O
there's something you don't see everyday.
WA mtn hunter and Sayfu- I know the guide in this photo and this was not photoshopped or shoved down his throat. Not sure that a boat full of paying clients would think it's very kosher or that it would be good PR for the guide service to do such a thing. Maybe you should go clean some more trout to re-investigate their internal workings and digestive systems. I've caught 15" cutthroat in BC that have been taken head first by 25" bulls down the tail and laneded that way...yes, only a 10" difference in size. It's not that uncommon.. It is possible and it does happen. The fish in the picture actually ate a size 10 dry fly off the surface with this fish in his mouth. Since you seem to be a fish biologist please explain this to me. Oh, and Sayfu, Do you ever smirk and smile and show emotion when you're out fishing on a beautiful river and something cool just happened? Just curious
I caught the fish in the picture. My friend in the back of the boat, who is not an architect by the way, netted the fish. After he removed my parachute adams he noticed what he thought was another fly broken off in the fish. He took his foreceps and proceeded to pull the other fish out. The tail was not visible initially. We were rather surprised by this- it seems you mistake smirks for laughter. We returned the fish to the water and he swam away with his meal intact. Why this fish thought he needed to eat a #10 adams is beyond me- dessert?
Ive seen a similiar situation, but on a smaller scale.I once caught a 12" brookie that had a 7" brookie stuck in its throat....didnt seem to bother it enough to keep it off my panther martin
Now that's a mouth full!
Soooo, does that count as catching one fish, or two fish?
So all these years of catching rainbows on streamers and what I really should have been using was dry flies because rainbows don't eat other fish? I learn something new every day.
I'd say that trout bit off more than he can chew. I wouldn't release that guy, he ain't gonna make it...should have stuck with the bugs.
Does that mean we should be killing (as in eating ) the big trout to save the smaller ones? Some people support that hypothesis.
At night in Michigan waters I always worried more about what was on the banks than on the water ... but with these beaver attacks lately I am considering at least wearing a cup in the water. Do they make Kevlar waders?
Your theory on pounded trout and little bugs holds true by me. On the rivers I fish the trout on the heaviest hit parts often wont eat anything unless it's two sizes smaller than what's hatching. On other parts, I've seen spin guys nail big rainbows & browns routinely on Rapalas and the like. I think trout are predators, sometimes what they prey on changes. They are also opportunists and will prey on what's easiest, be it bugs, fish or whatever (I once saw a brown nail a frog bass style).
Predation is not only limited to the great northwest or even the mid-west. Here on the Kern River Guy Jeans, guide and owner of Kern River Trout Fishing had a similar catch while wading the upper section of the river. Though I don't have a photo it was a tail to mouth take with a nice 18" Bow sucking down a smaller cuz.
18" is a good estimate when trout turn to mainly feeding on other fish, and bigger hunks of protein than bugs...to much calories used up for the protein taken in consuming bugs. They can't get their daily needs. Much easier to rest much of the day saving calories and energy, and then consume a bigger meal at the preferred time..brown trout of that size and bigger, are notorious for that, and eat during low light, early morning, or evening/nite conditions. Some guys out here camp out in our canyon on the SF during Oct. and swing streamers off the gravel bars at nite (timing full moon conditions) into the deeper water and catch some huge browns chasing smaller fish into the shallows. Very few of these fish are caught during the daylight hours all Summer long.
Streamer,
To satisfy your curiosity, I smirk, and smile, all the time, but it has no relation to whether anything was true, or not. Can an individual fish commit an act of stupidity like a lot of humans commit all the time? I would think so. I once saw a fish at a weigh in that won a fishing contest, and when they cleaned it, the stupid fish had eaten several pretty good size lead sinkers!
I am not an architect, but I have seen a few billfish caught and they occasionally throw-up their stomachs in the process of being hooked and played. It may be possible that this is what happened with this fish. It ate the fly, then partially regurgitated the contents of its stomach during the fight. Just a thought for all the fish biologists on this thread....
Amen Beekeeper !!!
I've had the good fortune to explore waters in Chile and Argentina where trout have literally never been fished. In those places, the big fish often acted like pike, and our tactics to catch them would acknowledge that.
A few years back in Northern Manitoba we caught walleye in the middle of the afternoon on poppers. It was a fish every cast til we tired of them.
Before that I had never seen a walleye that wasn't deep during the day.
MLH That ain't no beaver! That's a Michigan Wolverine!.. meaner than a junk yard dog, and can whip a Spartan any day. I'd say those guys had a lot of fun contriving that picture.
When I was growing up my dad told me this was a dog eat dog world, boy was he wrong, it really is a fish eat fish world. I bet that the rainbow was saying, thats the last time I will open my big mouth during the anual running of the browns.
BS Photo....
WA Hunter...I agree with you. Look at that smurk on the guys face in the background...he looks like the architect.
Haha he looks so confused
i have to wonder how that fish would have been able or even interestd in a fly with his mouth so full. something not right about the whole story. sorry, not convinced.
I think the truth of the story is in the confrontation that went on before you fly hooked that fish. That smaller fish was one tough dude, and he confronted the bigger fella telling him he was going to tear his heart out, and was doing just that when you caught the guy.
Senator, You guys validate the thought I have had for a long, long time, and that is the fact that fly anglers are very visual. They are very observant of their surroundings more so than bait, and hardware fisherman...but along with that goes a vivid imagination. I've listened to flyfishermen tell of swimming with fish, and learning to think like one...know why they took a fly like a bunch of undulating marabou taking it for a leach, even taking the undulating leach eating an egg if the color was egg like at the head of the undulating marabou. Gotta make fishing a lot more fun. I still think there could be sharks in my river in Idaho if I fell in.
If you ever cleaned a trout, you would see that it's digestive tract is not large enough to handle a trout that size. This is one you will have to prove to me before I believe it. Either photoshopped or shoved down it's gullet.
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