


September 27, 2010
Deeter: Learning From the Fly Talk Readers
By Kirk Deeter
Who says reading fishing blogs is wasted time? Sometimes, doing so can land you on the river to do some serious "research" with the editor. Take, for example, Andrew Metzger and his buddy Mark Damon. Andrew is a long-time Fly Talk reader and commenter. I'll leave it up to him whether he wants to reveal his online identity or not.
It was my pleasure to fish with those guys the other day... I like to check in on the Fly Talk crowd now and then, and see who is bringing game to the conversation. Bottom line: Mr. Metzger can flat-out fly fish (so can Mark). Andrew taught me a good lesson worth sharing... rather than using a yarn or bobber strike indicator, he connects his fly line to a leader with a strand of red amnesia line. This serves two purposes: First, the stiff amnesia line helps him turn the line over easier when roll casting or punching casts into the wind; second, it serves as a de-facto indicator, without a gaudy profile. It also slices through the current with less drag on the line. Watch the red line wobble or stall, set the hook, and quite often you'll find yourself on a fish.
The results in the photo of Metzger above speak for themselves.
So thanks for the lesson Andrew. Thanks for being part of the Fly Talk blog. And thanks to you and Mark for sharing some good times on the water. We'll do it again sometime soon, for sure.
Deeter
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Nice fish Andrew. It's good to have a face with the emails.
Kirk, that day still plays back like the highlight reel from an episode of HookShots. There were no two happier dudes in the entire state when we left that day. The fish were cooperative for sure, but the bigguns became camera shy when it came time for the money blog shot. I learned a ton that day, especially that I can pound water and get fish, but that I probably should slow down a touch and evaluate how often my flies are drifting past those fish. Kirk practices what he preaches, lots of what was said in tips on the water I was able to pick out of "The Little Red Book of Fly Fishing" in later reading. Kirk, I'm hoping the days stay warm enough for the carp to stay doin' their clooping thing so you can get out and slam a few.
Forgive my ignorance, what is amnesia line?
It is a low memory line that is use mostly(in my experience) shooting head setups because it flies through the guides with little resistance. http://www.cabelas.com/fryprod-0/product--Sunset-Amnesia-Shooting-Line--...
I have to say that I have never had a more fun day on the fly then that day. Learning the tips and tricks from Kirk was nothing short of amazing. From how to read water lines to learning the valuable lesson of how much weight to use and when was something that you can't learn from a book. Having Kirk there to share his experience is something I can't thank him enough for.
I still have nightmares of that hog that broke the fly - I need therapy.
To continue with the thread, Koldkut has tried to get me to use the Amnesia line for a couple years now and I will contest to his success using it. Me on the other hand, well the old eyes don't see that well anymore so I'm going to stick with something that I can see better. Folks, it works because as much as it pains me to say, he does catch more fish than I do.
Kirk, thanks again for a day I won't soon forget.
Nice fish and thanks for the gear tip
Not me! I never said reading fishing blogs is wasted time.
Very nice fish, Mr. Metzger...a real fatty! I don't know what rod you're using these days but my St. Croix has served me well.
Talk to you later...
Ah, thanks KoldKut, I suspected that was what was being mentioned but had not heard to it referred to that before. Has a better ring than "red mono"
Count, I've never fished a Croix......ever. They are not bad rods by any means, I've repaired a few, but until now I've never had the money to buy spendy gear. The money I have now is a result of me building rods, so I won't ever buy a factory rod again. Mark was nice enough to buy me a hat I said I would never wear.......and you can see there, I'm eating crow......
Seeing the end of the flyline is often not the problem...one of the big benefits of using a float/indicator is it holds the nymph in the strike zone...without it you don't stay in the zone like you do using a strike bobber indicator...but I seldom, if ever use one...sometimes a two fly system.
So how are you tying the amnesia line in? Currently I tie a heavy piece of butt mono to my fly line with a nail knot, and put a perfection loop in that to do a loop-to-loop with my leader. I'm thinking I could just replace that heavy mono with the amnesia line...
Nice fish, too. Sounds like it was a good day.
Yeti, you have the right idea, I use an egg shaped setup that I thread the line through each end then double overhand, trim and squish to get back in....then I blood knot it to the rest of the leader. I nailknot it on my other lines directly to the flyline, then to the leader. I usually run about 10' of leader with the first 24" being the red amnesia. Maybe Kirk could post a pic of my line, he snapped a quick pic of it.
I think I am correct in saying that Amnesia is a FLAT mono, not round. Cortland use to anyway, make a nymph flyline that the last so many feet of the floating line was fuorescent red.
Hey! I like that idea, especially giving a little bit more transition to turn the line over. Gotta be more sensitive than fly line, too. Will have to try it (I've just rubbed that sticky green strike indicator stuff on but it is usually spotty).
for years I've been using the same method, hunting down the Amnesia whenever I can find it on sale. I've used both colors with the same success and found it ideal for butting. You don't need a lot and the visibility is perfect. Andrew and Mark... excellent tip and nice photo.
i have the same hat. that's the size of the fish i've been catching here in new york. perfect size. congrats. deeter, let me know if you get up this way.
Koldkut ~ Thank you for your reply mister..appreciate it! But the 2008 St.Croix I've been using for the past two years is not at all spendy. Talking here about the resurrected Imperial line of days gone by. One hundred skins.
Now the Croix Legend Elite, four times more expensive is still a better casting rod for distance than the Orvis Helios (eat your heart out Deet!)at $850 US ~ at least, in my hands!
Thanks for sharing. We all learn every day from one another.
Nice hat, seasoned with crow feathers...
Back to Amnesia. Amnesia is starting to come back to me. I use to sell it, but haven't seen it around for a long, long time. It is flat mono, and the thinking, besides the color, was that being flat it would turn your leader over straight..I think that has been dispelled.
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It is a low memory line that is use mostly(in my experience) shooting head setups because it flies through the guides with little resistance. http://www.cabelas.com/fryprod-0/product--Sunset-Amnesia-Shooting-Line--...
Nice fish Andrew. It's good to have a face with the emails.
Kirk, that day still plays back like the highlight reel from an episode of HookShots. There were no two happier dudes in the entire state when we left that day. The fish were cooperative for sure, but the bigguns became camera shy when it came time for the money blog shot. I learned a ton that day, especially that I can pound water and get fish, but that I probably should slow down a touch and evaluate how often my flies are drifting past those fish. Kirk practices what he preaches, lots of what was said in tips on the water I was able to pick out of "The Little Red Book of Fly Fishing" in later reading. Kirk, I'm hoping the days stay warm enough for the carp to stay doin' their clooping thing so you can get out and slam a few.
Forgive my ignorance, what is amnesia line?
I have to say that I have never had a more fun day on the fly then that day. Learning the tips and tricks from Kirk was nothing short of amazing. From how to read water lines to learning the valuable lesson of how much weight to use and when was something that you can't learn from a book. Having Kirk there to share his experience is something I can't thank him enough for.
I still have nightmares of that hog that broke the fly - I need therapy.
To continue with the thread, Koldkut has tried to get me to use the Amnesia line for a couple years now and I will contest to his success using it. Me on the other hand, well the old eyes don't see that well anymore so I'm going to stick with something that I can see better. Folks, it works because as much as it pains me to say, he does catch more fish than I do.
Kirk, thanks again for a day I won't soon forget.
Nice fish and thanks for the gear tip
Not me! I never said reading fishing blogs is wasted time.
Very nice fish, Mr. Metzger...a real fatty! I don't know what rod you're using these days but my St. Croix has served me well.
Talk to you later...
Ah, thanks KoldKut, I suspected that was what was being mentioned but had not heard to it referred to that before. Has a better ring than "red mono"
Count, I've never fished a Croix......ever. They are not bad rods by any means, I've repaired a few, but until now I've never had the money to buy spendy gear. The money I have now is a result of me building rods, so I won't ever buy a factory rod again. Mark was nice enough to buy me a hat I said I would never wear.......and you can see there, I'm eating crow......
Seeing the end of the flyline is often not the problem...one of the big benefits of using a float/indicator is it holds the nymph in the strike zone...without it you don't stay in the zone like you do using a strike bobber indicator...but I seldom, if ever use one...sometimes a two fly system.
So how are you tying the amnesia line in? Currently I tie a heavy piece of butt mono to my fly line with a nail knot, and put a perfection loop in that to do a loop-to-loop with my leader. I'm thinking I could just replace that heavy mono with the amnesia line...
Nice fish, too. Sounds like it was a good day.
Yeti, you have the right idea, I use an egg shaped setup that I thread the line through each end then double overhand, trim and squish to get back in....then I blood knot it to the rest of the leader. I nailknot it on my other lines directly to the flyline, then to the leader. I usually run about 10' of leader with the first 24" being the red amnesia. Maybe Kirk could post a pic of my line, he snapped a quick pic of it.
I think I am correct in saying that Amnesia is a FLAT mono, not round. Cortland use to anyway, make a nymph flyline that the last so many feet of the floating line was fuorescent red.
Hey! I like that idea, especially giving a little bit more transition to turn the line over. Gotta be more sensitive than fly line, too. Will have to try it (I've just rubbed that sticky green strike indicator stuff on but it is usually spotty).
for years I've been using the same method, hunting down the Amnesia whenever I can find it on sale. I've used both colors with the same success and found it ideal for butting. You don't need a lot and the visibility is perfect. Andrew and Mark... excellent tip and nice photo.
i have the same hat. that's the size of the fish i've been catching here in new york. perfect size. congrats. deeter, let me know if you get up this way.
Koldkut ~ Thank you for your reply mister..appreciate it! But the 2008 St.Croix I've been using for the past two years is not at all spendy. Talking here about the resurrected Imperial line of days gone by. One hundred skins.
Now the Croix Legend Elite, four times more expensive is still a better casting rod for distance than the Orvis Helios (eat your heart out Deet!)at $850 US ~ at least, in my hands!
Thanks for sharing. We all learn every day from one another.
Nice hat, seasoned with crow feathers...
Back to Amnesia. Amnesia is starting to come back to me. I use to sell it, but haven't seen it around for a long, long time. It is flat mono, and the thinking, besides the color, was that being flat it would turn your leader over straight..I think that has been dispelled.
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