


April 23, 2009
Polluted Water: Are we to blame?
By Tim Romano
Yes, it was earth day yesterday. I have to admit I had no idea... Luckily my friends over at moldlychum reminded me to watch Frontline on tuesday on what has been done in regards to cleaning up our nations water.
It's been 30+ years since we passed the clean water act in response to industry almost destroying our waterways. Three decades later, banned legacy pollutants like PCB's are still part of the problem and now more then ever WE are more of the problem. The way we eat, farm, develop the land and live our lives is killing our water. Heck, my home water - Boulder Creek was one of the first in the nation to find hermaphroditic fish downstream from our wastewater treatment plant. Ewww...
How are your home waters holding up? Are they better or worse than they were almost 40 years ago? Who's to blame - heavy industry or you?
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The blame falls on both parties. First the heavy industries because its disregard for our environment that has put us in this position. Second its our fault because we have not held our elected officials responsible for policing, punishing and renewing the resources that industries have damaged.
Over the last 40 years the big picture in Ohio has improved. Most of the improvement has been in the Lake Erie region including the lake and its tributaries.
The problems that still exist are local ones. We have a very large egg farm north of us that pollutes my favorite smallmouth stream. Half the fish I catch are deformed. There is a pig farm next to Ohio's one and only trout stream that lets its waste drain directly into the water. The examples are endless.
I think that to paraphrase Phil B's article from May's issue of Field and Stream. It almost to the point where each individual person has to manage there own local waterways to insure quality water.
If you didn't catch the Frontline special on PBS Tuesday night do yourself a favor and go watch the entire episode online.
Frontline does the best investigative broadcast journalism out there, period, and Tuesday night's episode was one of the best ones I've seen in years.
"We" aren't part of the problem unless "We" are presented with a choice between factory farmed chickens whose owners pump the feces into the Potomac vs other sources. No need to blame the victim here. The factory farms KNOW that they're dumping untreated sewage and they're hiding behind implausible deniability and just plain ol' fashion political corruption to keep doing it.
I'll buy the chickens I can buy. Nothing in the least hypocritical about suggesting that the people literally dumping sh** into the water should be punished.
I have to wonder, though, if dead zones aren't somewhat manageable through tech. How much would it cost to drop some simple hoses along the nasty parts of the Chesapeake and pump air out through them and into the water --- kinda like the world's biggest fish tank bubbler? Air is cheap. Wouldn't this help to stabilize the whole thing? If there was air and therefore algae to eat the nutrients and oysters and stuff wouldn't natural filtration help mitigate the problem?
And yes. Frontline does the best investigative journalism hands down. I don't give a toot for national public radio but the journalism on public television -- Frontline, NOVA, Nightly Business Report, and Jim Lehrer News Hour is the best journalism you can get.
Thanks for raising the discussion Chad, this one should be interesting!
Actually Mike all credit goes to the Flytalk guys. I was just agreeing with them...
agreed to both you gentleman. Frontline is simply amazing and should be the model for everything else out there.
Oh, and mike we are part of the problem. Unless we change our ways, i.e. Kentucky blue grass, horrible farming techniques, etc... air hoses the size of the alaskan pipeline aren't going to solve the problem in the long run. They may be a band-aid, but not the total solution.
what I'm saying is we do have choices...
Right Chad, credit goes to the Fly Talk guys.
With respect, Tim, don't count me in your "we." I vote. I'm a member of the League of Conservation Voters. I write my congressman. I have about as much chance of affecting factory chicken farming in the eastern states as I do of walking on the moon. It doesn't stop me from voicing my opinion, voting for conservation minded people, and giving to the right causes, but in the end my power is limited. Having done what I've done, I won't accept the blame for what's going on, not even in the "rhetorical we" sense of blame, because I'm not contributing to the problem.
I've got my hands full cleaning up after illegal immigrants, and trying to get someone in the admin to think twice about a Canadian investment corp gaming the General Mining Act of 1872 for the purpose of destroying some good quail land so that they can export raw copper to Chinese smelters. The local opposition, well meaning Americans one and all, bray "Can't live without copper for your cell phones and all that," but I'm not blaming Joe America if the dratted mine opens up. The way to get the admin's attention to our problem is for local people to shake up our congressmen, the Dept of Ag, the Forest Service, and the Obama admin.
I am sure people in the Chesapeake Bay area are trying to do the same. More power to 'em because they're the ones in the best position to effect a beneficial change.
We have all screwed up, and still screw up here and there. We have a lot of reconsidering to do.
Pollution around my area is just garbage. Someone left a poster at my creek saying "you are lazy, your garbage is killing the bay."
I agreed and stood it back up.
I think a lot of it has to do with not only the pollution of industries who throw objects and try to dump in the water... also up north, putting salt on the roads mess with the water systems. It penetrates the ground into the underwater and travels to the lake systems.
"Oh, and mike we are part of the problem. Unless we change our ways, i.e. Kentucky blue grass, horrible farming techniques, etc... air hoses the size of the alaskan pipeline aren't going to solve the problem in the long run."
Let's get specific here. What "ways" should be changed? To what practice SHOULD they be changed? If legislative action is required, WHO is in the position to implement that change? I can write to my congressmen and senators and the WH and the newspaper and the LCV and USFW and the USDA all I want. But in the end, I can't vote in Maryland, Pennsylvania, or Virginia. To a Virginia rep in the US House, my opinion isn't worth dick, much less to anyone in the Virginia state assembly.
So where do you get the "we" in all that Tim, if your "we" is supposed to include me? What's your action plan here for changing things? Let's hear it.
Complicated issue, and I know as my life's work is industrial water treatment. The easy thing to say is "more legislation", and I'm not saying that is wrong. I can spec out a system that will chemically and mechanically take that chicken feces and give you cleaner than tap water out the end along with solid cake that can be used for fertilizer. But at what cost to the industry? Ifindustry must implement, what is the cost increase to the consumer? How does the company compete with chicken brought in from China where there is no such legislation? Not to say that I want to go back to the 70's, where the solution to pollution was dilution. It's just that it isn't as simple as "there out to be a law!!"
To answer the original question, it is OUR fault. Our fault for giving in to an unsustainable lifestyle that drives companies to produce the goods we THINK we need. That in turn leads to the ever increasing demand of cheaper products to maintain margins that keep Wall Street happy (including all of us with 401ks). That leads to phrases like "acceptable risks" when it comes to treatment, or ultimately the complete loss of industry all together. Which means the lost production here ends up somewhere where there are no pesky environmental laws.
Sounds like collectivist pc self-criticism baloney to me. Definitely not my fault. Give me the right to vote in PA, MD, and VA even though I live in AZ and I might accept some of the blame. Bottom line is that I didn't vote for the people who allow it, don't work for the people who do it, & give money to causes that try to prevent it. So I reject efforts to share the blame. I refuse to be part of some groupthink guilt trip; the perps know who they are and the voters in the affected states could and should do something about it.
I'm curious......what does Kentucky Bluegrass have to do with anything?
Hey Mike, if you knew me personally you would know that I do not give in to the whole "group guilt" thing either. My point was that as a society, we are to blame. You sound like a fine steward of the land so I'm not necessarily throwing you in the mix. My point was that many people contribute to this problem without ever having a clue that they are, at least in some small way. And I am still curious what KY Bluegrass has to do with it all.
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If you didn't catch the Frontline special on PBS Tuesday night do yourself a favor and go watch the entire episode online.
Frontline does the best investigative broadcast journalism out there, period, and Tuesday night's episode was one of the best ones I've seen in years.
"We" aren't part of the problem unless "We" are presented with a choice between factory farmed chickens whose owners pump the feces into the Potomac vs other sources. No need to blame the victim here. The factory farms KNOW that they're dumping untreated sewage and they're hiding behind implausible deniability and just plain ol' fashion political corruption to keep doing it.
I'll buy the chickens I can buy. Nothing in the least hypocritical about suggesting that the people literally dumping sh** into the water should be punished.
I have to wonder, though, if dead zones aren't somewhat manageable through tech. How much would it cost to drop some simple hoses along the nasty parts of the Chesapeake and pump air out through them and into the water --- kinda like the world's biggest fish tank bubbler? Air is cheap. Wouldn't this help to stabilize the whole thing? If there was air and therefore algae to eat the nutrients and oysters and stuff wouldn't natural filtration help mitigate the problem?
And yes. Frontline does the best investigative journalism hands down. I don't give a toot for national public radio but the journalism on public television -- Frontline, NOVA, Nightly Business Report, and Jim Lehrer News Hour is the best journalism you can get.
Thanks for raising the discussion Chad, this one should be interesting!
I've got my hands full cleaning up after illegal immigrants, and trying to get someone in the admin to think twice about a Canadian investment corp gaming the General Mining Act of 1872 for the purpose of destroying some good quail land so that they can export raw copper to Chinese smelters. The local opposition, well meaning Americans one and all, bray "Can't live without copper for your cell phones and all that," but I'm not blaming Joe America if the dratted mine opens up. The way to get the admin's attention to our problem is for local people to shake up our congressmen, the Dept of Ag, the Forest Service, and the Obama admin.
I am sure people in the Chesapeake Bay area are trying to do the same. More power to 'em because they're the ones in the best position to effect a beneficial change.
The blame falls on both parties. First the heavy industries because its disregard for our environment that has put us in this position. Second its our fault because we have not held our elected officials responsible for policing, punishing and renewing the resources that industries have damaged.
Over the last 40 years the big picture in Ohio has improved. Most of the improvement has been in the Lake Erie region including the lake and its tributaries.
The problems that still exist are local ones. We have a very large egg farm north of us that pollutes my favorite smallmouth stream. Half the fish I catch are deformed. There is a pig farm next to Ohio's one and only trout stream that lets its waste drain directly into the water. The examples are endless.
I think that to paraphrase Phil B's article from May's issue of Field and Stream. It almost to the point where each individual person has to manage there own local waterways to insure quality water.
Actually Mike all credit goes to the Flytalk guys. I was just agreeing with them...
agreed to both you gentleman. Frontline is simply amazing and should be the model for everything else out there.
Oh, and mike we are part of the problem. Unless we change our ways, i.e. Kentucky blue grass, horrible farming techniques, etc... air hoses the size of the alaskan pipeline aren't going to solve the problem in the long run. They may be a band-aid, but not the total solution.
what I'm saying is we do have choices...
Right Chad, credit goes to the Fly Talk guys.
With respect, Tim, don't count me in your "we." I vote. I'm a member of the League of Conservation Voters. I write my congressman. I have about as much chance of affecting factory chicken farming in the eastern states as I do of walking on the moon. It doesn't stop me from voicing my opinion, voting for conservation minded people, and giving to the right causes, but in the end my power is limited. Having done what I've done, I won't accept the blame for what's going on, not even in the "rhetorical we" sense of blame, because I'm not contributing to the problem.
We have all screwed up, and still screw up here and there. We have a lot of reconsidering to do.
Pollution around my area is just garbage. Someone left a poster at my creek saying "you are lazy, your garbage is killing the bay."
I agreed and stood it back up.
I think a lot of it has to do with not only the pollution of industries who throw objects and try to dump in the water... also up north, putting salt on the roads mess with the water systems. It penetrates the ground into the underwater and travels to the lake systems.
"Oh, and mike we are part of the problem. Unless we change our ways, i.e. Kentucky blue grass, horrible farming techniques, etc... air hoses the size of the alaskan pipeline aren't going to solve the problem in the long run."
Let's get specific here. What "ways" should be changed? To what practice SHOULD they be changed? If legislative action is required, WHO is in the position to implement that change? I can write to my congressmen and senators and the WH and the newspaper and the LCV and USFW and the USDA all I want. But in the end, I can't vote in Maryland, Pennsylvania, or Virginia. To a Virginia rep in the US House, my opinion isn't worth dick, much less to anyone in the Virginia state assembly.
So where do you get the "we" in all that Tim, if your "we" is supposed to include me? What's your action plan here for changing things? Let's hear it.
Complicated issue, and I know as my life's work is industrial water treatment. The easy thing to say is "more legislation", and I'm not saying that is wrong. I can spec out a system that will chemically and mechanically take that chicken feces and give you cleaner than tap water out the end along with solid cake that can be used for fertilizer. But at what cost to the industry? Ifindustry must implement, what is the cost increase to the consumer? How does the company compete with chicken brought in from China where there is no such legislation? Not to say that I want to go back to the 70's, where the solution to pollution was dilution. It's just that it isn't as simple as "there out to be a law!!"
To answer the original question, it is OUR fault. Our fault for giving in to an unsustainable lifestyle that drives companies to produce the goods we THINK we need. That in turn leads to the ever increasing demand of cheaper products to maintain margins that keep Wall Street happy (including all of us with 401ks). That leads to phrases like "acceptable risks" when it comes to treatment, or ultimately the complete loss of industry all together. Which means the lost production here ends up somewhere where there are no pesky environmental laws.
Sounds like collectivist pc self-criticism baloney to me. Definitely not my fault. Give me the right to vote in PA, MD, and VA even though I live in AZ and I might accept some of the blame. Bottom line is that I didn't vote for the people who allow it, don't work for the people who do it, & give money to causes that try to prevent it. So I reject efforts to share the blame. I refuse to be part of some groupthink guilt trip; the perps know who they are and the voters in the affected states could and should do something about it.
I'm curious......what does Kentucky Bluegrass have to do with anything?
Hey Mike, if you knew me personally you would know that I do not give in to the whole "group guilt" thing either. My point was that as a society, we are to blame. You sound like a fine steward of the land so I'm not necessarily throwing you in the mix. My point was that many people contribute to this problem without ever having a clue that they are, at least in some small way. And I am still curious what KY Bluegrass has to do with it all.
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