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August 11, 2009

Answer the Question, Win a Prize

By Kirk Deeter

A simple question... and the best answer will win a Scientific Anglers fly line valued at $60.  I am the only (completely biased) judge, and as such, I'll try (barely) not to influence your answers (too much) with the way I ask the question:

Which fish would you rather catch?  This one... which is a massive, mutant rainbow trout I'm guessing weighs no less than eight pounds.  In a river with decent current, it fights like a mule.  But alas... this is a stocked fish.  We who catch stocked fish are guilty of hiding our own Easter eggs, yes?  Then again,  so many trout in this country are either stocked, or descended from stocked trout (read every brown trout in America)... that the whole "stocked versus wild" hangup is a bit silly.

Then again, maybe you'd rather catch this one.  A wild, native fish... the venerable greenback cutthroat trout.  A natural masterpiece.  Unfortunately, if you get a chance to catch a greenback, it will most likely be the same size as a small banana peel.  Frankly, it will also fight about as hard as... a small banana peel.

There is, of course, a third answer:  "It's all good, baby.  I love 'em all."

In any regard, you must not only give me your answer, but also make a compelling, if brief case for why you answered as you did.  Good luck...

Deeter

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from chadlove wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I'll be damned, so THAT'S what a greenback looks like...

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from tourneyking734 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

most definitely the cutthroat would be my choice. In most states there is a place where there are mutant rainbows that grow large but the greenback cutthroat is very rare and for me at least would be as much of a trophy as a 8 pound rainbow.

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from Fisher Boy wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

yeah, you can muscle your way to victory, but i would rather catch the green back, because to me it sems more of a challenge, getting a small bait that it will take, and keeping it on the line, and hey, it looks cooler if you ask me

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from Skeeb wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

For me, it would be the wild Cutthroat. Just the pride alone from catching one of those beauties is enough to get me going. Any fool can catch a stocked trout, it takes patience, practice, and alot of back breaking walking to catch a wild greenback. And, not many people know the pride of catching a wild trout on a fly that you tied yourself.

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from muskiemaster wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

fishing just rocks give me a fish and I'll be happy just to catch. 'nough said!

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from FlyDave wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Not even close... I'd go for the greenback, because fly-fishing is only 10% about size... the other 90% is about connecting with the environment, people and places.

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from Johnnyras1624 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

8 lbs. trout every time.

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from az88 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

My answer is the Greenback cutthroat....It's one of those rare gems-of-a-fish that few have caught and thus, don't have the bragging rights for.

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from Walt Smith wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Of course its the greenback cutthroat, you can buy steelhead at any market ,besides that little trout is orange inside and will be really tasty nailed on a board in a campfire.

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from scott g wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I live in Indiana, basicly a trout free state I hate this argument! please let me catch either one! I'll do it with a smile on my face.......

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from vtbluegrass wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Why can't I just catch wild, native, and big trout? The Bull Trout.
But if I must I would say the Greenback. Because if I had a greenback on the end of my line it would mean I was somewhere really cool and not a warmwater carp stream that got stocked over the winter months. Also because I have caught a grain fed rainbow that size before in downtown Roanoke, VA.

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from Fruguy101 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I would love to catch both of them. On the one hand, you have the mutant rainbow that grows large and fights hard. Every fisherman loves a fish that puts up a decent fight. Having a fish put up a fight, jump out of the water, and maybe throwing the hook in the process is a classic tale that grows as large as the fish you almost caught.

on the other hand, with the greenback cutthroat trout, that is a fish that takes skill to land. Sure, they are rare and hard to find, but knowing you had what it took to land one of those fish is a great tale to spin to your buddies back home.

In either case, those are memories that will last a lifetime, and longer if you happen to have a camera handy. Down here in Mississippi, most of the tales are of lunker largemouth bass, and child sized catfish caught by hand. I would relish the chance to catch a fish as shown in those two photos, but alas, will most likely never do it. Besides, catching crappie and bluegill by the cooler full is pretty dang fun.

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from shane wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Having done both the small native thing, the giant not native thing, and the pretty durn big native thing, the special feeling that comes with the native trout feels not as special.

After you've pulled out countless tiny brookies or cuts, you just want an alien freakshow brown or bow to gobble the pretty little native you have on the other end, so things can get exciting again.

But, once I get my jollies from that, I'll eventually find myself back in the middle of goshdarned nowhere again, trying to catch some untouched trout that haven't seen a hook or hand in years.

Basically, wild native trout are the holy grail until you catch a bunch, then you don't care so much and just want some cheap thrills that really tug.

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from Steven9253 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

my vote is for anyfish on the line. While catching the rainbow would be an amzing fight, the cut throat is so beautiful. I figure if you're fishing and not at work it's a good day regardless of catching fish!!

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from Ramcatt wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

the GBCT...

Native fish most often live in places that are just as/ more impressive as the fish we chase. The journey to these places is just as exciting as the fishing itself. Stocked trout, to me, represent the idea of man's laziness and need to change what is natural. That pellethead bow has been competing with a native fish, a fish that man has marginalized or maybe labeled a "trash fish". The GBCT has survived, adapted, and evolved with out the aid of man, and sometimes overcoming the mistakes of man (ie the misclassification GBs and then reintroduction of the wrong fish in RMNP). For me, the GBs I have caught (all on dries) have all individually been more fulfilling than all of my 8+ stocker bows.

There is the "picture is worth a 1000s words" quote... So look at the two pictures and I think you can tell a lot about the fish in both. The pellethead is the text-book hero shot. The fish is secondary to the fisherman, and there is no acknowledgment of the fish. Rather a dude cheesing the camera and the fish is half-heartedly lifted/flopped. The GB is shot is showcasing the beauty of the fish and notice the fly is still in the mouth. The angler obviously shows respect and admiration for the fish with the way it is held. No hero shot, just fish

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from Alex Pernice th... wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Deeter, I'd rather catch a big stocker, ya can catch the heck out of wild ones, but you can't mount a 6 inch brookie, vs a 30 inch brown. MY other point, almost all the fish we catch in freshwater (70+%) were not native at one time, carp (Asia) Browns (German) Some Rainbows, graling in Alaska (there from Michigan), so I don't see why we should care.

And speaking of lines, I got spooled, yes spooled, hooking into a king this weekend, loosing my Rio windcutter spey, but right now, I don't have 160+ dollars for a line, so my question is, What is a good (mid price) spey line?

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from tommythunder wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Greenback. If you are in the right place at the right time to catch that fish, you are experiencing it all. The other fish, maybe not. It's all good, for sure, but if you have to chose one. Greenback.

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from elkslayer wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I'd rather catch the native cutthroat.(and I do)

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from kirkdeeter wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Alex, I'm hearing what you are saying... and I'm not coming down on you bud... but you already know that a mount eventually collects dust in an attic, but a memory never dies. And why we should still care... that almost made me jump off my chair... yeah, we care, and we're counting on teenagers like you, buddy, to bring things into perspective. (Oh, dang... I might have just tipped my hand.)

On your other question... dude, didn't they teach you in camp how to tie a nail knot? Rio or SA are worth the price spent for Spey lines. I'd tell you if I felt otherwise. You'll buy three lines instead of one if you mess around on that.

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from deaddiver wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

This is like which came first chicken or the egg, but im picking the cutthroat because if people say "I caught an 8lb rainbow", ill say "i caught an 8in greenback cutthroat" "whats that??". Exactly

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from flyfishpapa wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I feel incredibly lucky any time I get a fish on the line, stocked or native. I've caught my share of big stockers but if I had to pick one I think I'd go for the greenback. You can literally catch a big stocker anywhere but a native greenback, or here in California, a native golden resides in beautiful, remote country that takes work to get to, there is a sense of reward and accomplishment just making it to their home waters. I hope to to catch a native golden in the Golden Trout Wilderness some day and when that day comes the size of the fish won't matter at all, it will be HUGE every time I talk about it anyway.

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from Alex Pernice th... wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Good point and Deeter, 20 pound darcon super glued, tied with a nail knot Trust me, the knot was good, he striped the coating off the line, I was Pi**ed... (the knot was fine, my drag was too tight for the fish, he was atleast 25 pounds, I need 35 pound Gel spun on that reel and a disk drag reel...) And I fished saltwater Deeter, I know how to tie good knots, my dad wouldn't let me hit the water untill my knots were perfect...

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from Alex Pernice th... wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

And the "why should we care" meant, why does a stocked fish matter, they fight the same, don't get me wrong, wild fish are great, but I don't see why people make such a big deal over it (Like flying all over the world to catch a 6 inch wild brookie when there is a stream near there house where they could get a 30 inch steelhead who's parents were stocked) Really, almost all fish are stocked, and many where I live are, I'm not lucky like you (there are very few wild fish around me.)

AP

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from YooperRyan wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

The greenback would certainly be special for that rare and romantic quality that fisherman will often aspire toward when the mood strikes the right, but I will tell you, without hestiation, that I would much rather feel the tug of the 8 pound stock job on the end of my line. That's what inspired me, and I imagine most other fishermen and women, to pick up a rod in the first place.

Any fisherman that says any different is a dirty rotten liar! - The irony here of course being that the capcity to bend the truth is the foremost prerequisite to the sport.

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from YooperRyan wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Wow! I commented before reading any of those that preceded mine...

Deeter, to underscore the last bit of my previous post, you can surely tell that this blog is full of practiced fisherman, citing both the quantity and quality of all the liars, er, I mean fisherman, that would rather catch a fish who's effort is as pedestrian as it is beautiful.

So as long as everybody is being so "honest" here's my question to everybody seeming spending their summer at Camp Greenback. How come it seems I'm always shoulder to shoulder when fishing the Pan, while I've never had less then a third of Fern lake, in the RMNP, all to myself?

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from MLH wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Between the two, today, I'd fish for the stocker. It would be delightful to be where the greenback swims and to bring one to hand. But Colorado's state fish is threatened and until it makes a comeback I'd rather just leave the greenback alone and settle for a picture such as the one above.

By the way my biggest trout was a stocker rainbow hen. It took quite an effort to fool so I truly earned it.

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from kirkdeeter wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Nice one, Yooper... your point being (as I interpret it), that if "Mr. Small and Native" were all he's cracked up to be... why are so many people stacked up under the dams to (hopefully) encounter "Mr. Fat and Nasty?"

And MLH, let's just be honest with each other, as Michigan men... both of us would give anything to catch that 30-inch PM brown we posted a few days ago, true?

In any regard, I'm not at all convinced anymore that the wild fish are harder to fool than the stockers... sometimes quite the contrary. In fact, I''d almost say the big stocker that's seen a few flies (or more) is the tougher quarry than the wild fish that scant few people are willing to hike and sweat to cast at... so which is the better measure of the all-around angler? Skill... mission... otherwise?

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from dwaynez wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I would much rather catch the Wild trout, it's a catch you really have to work for and the pure beauty of that fish would stand out more in my mind than the plain looking stocked fish.

Being able to catch a wild fish means you went on an adventure and you accomplished something, you caught a native species in it's habitat and you had to work for it, it was not handed to you.

Just like a high fence hunt compared to taking a wild white tail after a lengthy stalk, you accomplished something in the wild.

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I receive great satisfaction knowing I've caught a fish born and raised in the river that has survived years of predation, natural selection and whose genes are in direct linage of the fish caught hundreds of years ago by our forefathers. I did something special and for the moment was one with nature.

Stocked trout are simply prostitutes of the water. They are bought and paid for cheap thrills for anyone with a worm and Zebco 202.

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from fflutterffly wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

yeah, Yeah, Yeah... size is everything. Well not really, be it as it may unpopular with in the profile of most fly fisherman (anglers in general) I'd still rather catch the smaller quality fish who has a reputation, than some colorless creature who will bite at anything. With that said you'd have to be an idiot not to want to hook into a monster fight with a stocked bow who could pull a VW down into the depths. So I hope I've manage to do the diplomatic thing and play both sides of the road.

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from senglund wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Honestly, I'd be fine with either one. There's a definite rush of excitement catching a big fish that puts up a big fight - stocked or not. There can also be a certain level of excitement in catching a native cutthroat. I've been on a small stream fishing for trout and caught a small panfish - I think it was a pumpkinseed - and I still had a blast catching it, mainly because it was unexpected. So, yeah, either would be fine with me.

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from Sick STi wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I'd rather catch the Greenback due to the fact that it is not a common fish. Catching stocked fish is fun, but the rarity of the Greenback is amazing. That could be the most beautiful fish I've ever seen.

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from Dannyjr321 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Personaly i just like to fish, just being on the water is what i want. If i catch something it is a bonus.

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from Koldkut wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I'm after the big boy, he's harder to get on the line and harder to land, period. And not to slam the greenback guys, I've caught one and tell you what they are pretty fish, but they will take large gaudy flies readily and are easier to catch than most of those larger fat piggy stocked fish. You don't have to stiff-arm that piggy to try to exagerate anything in a picture either. Maybe I'll be able to stick one of those 24" stocked pigs from 11 Mile canyon tomorrow, and join the 24/24 club(24" fish on a size 24 fly)!

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from cverstrate wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I'm for the greenback every time. There's something awesome about catching a fish that's supposed to be there and is truely wild.

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from seadog wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Count me in the "it's all good" category. I'd love to get a chance at both someday when I have the time & money to travel--I won't be getting either one down here in Florida. When it happens, the stocker's going on the table & the greenback's going back in the water.

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from MLH wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Deeter - yes, that 30" PM brown would be atop the list. Nice to know they are out there.

Still like to catch the little brookies, though - just to admire them. And I agree, wild trout that don't often see a fly are much easier to catch than stockers that have seen it all.

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from madtrapper wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

i'll take the native fish. every drop of sweat along every mile mile hiked to find that guy would be forgotten when i connected with him. the memories of camping, watching the starts, and hanging out in Gods country while fishing would last forever.

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from YooperRyan wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Excellent point Koldcut. The degree of difficulty for the hog is much more than for the greenback. The only thing hard about the greenback is getting to them, but once you do that you'll find them to be an easy catch.

If an 8 pound stocked trout is a "prostitute of the water" as buckhunter suggests, I'd simply like to add that she's a high end gal with a price to match.

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from grouse hunter wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

The Stocker, and here is why, many years ago I took my nephew fishing to my secret smallmouth spot. He was 8 and we caught a bunch of smallmouth. Then He gets on a 10lb carp. After we got it in and released it my nephew said, "Uncle do you have a secret carp spot. I like catching those big carp alot more than those little smallmouth." Sometimes we need to realize a fish is just a fish, and ask anyone would you rather catch a 1lb fish or 10lb fish, not giving a specific species. They will alway chose the 10lb fish. So I fly fish for carp alot now along with trout. Leave it to a kid to open your eyes to what fishing is all about.

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from YooperRyan wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

One more thing...

I doubt the 8 pounder was an 8 pounder when it was stocked. It got that way by being a good trout - eating lots of bugs and evading predation, all driven by natural (key word) instinct. So as it turns out, many of the same reasons that earn the greenback such praise can also be applied to the brute. It is after all still a trout, a pretty fish, likely caught in a pretty place, regardless of how it got there.

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from dwatkins wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I would be happy catching either one. I have never caught a trout so either one would be a first for me. There is excitement in catching a big fish and the fight you get. There is also excitment that comes from catching the smaller greenback. It is a very beautiful fish. As long as it was a fun day I would be happy with either one.

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from jvento wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Cell phone is off, no one is on the water, and all you can hear is the river... To me, fishing is more than just an activity, it's MY time. I'm in the zone until the day is over, and nothing else matters in between then. For once, I don't have to worry about life and all it's troubles and only thoughts of "I'd bet there is a fish in that run," or "Which of my beat-up flies is going to work?" run through my mind.

Personally, a fish is a fish, stocked or not. I'm not going to choose which fish I would rather catch, but instead, where I would fish. Doesn't matter to me how rare or significant the GBCT is, if the water is populated with people, I'll turn right around and move to another less-populated location, even if I do end up catching freshly stocked bows...

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from j-johnson17 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Because of the recent findings by the Colorado Division of Wildlife, of whom I am an employee, along with a few geneticists - nobody really know if the Greenback Cutthroat trout actually exists... Recent findings say that there is virtually no genetic difference between a Yellowfin (I believe...) Cutthroat trout and what we know as the Greenback Cutthroat trout.

This being said - I have caught hundreds of the little buggers and every one of them caught has been a blast. To counter that, I haven't caught hundreds of 8+ pound rainbows, which intrude on native waters and displace the cutthroat trout, eventually leading to extirpation of the cutthroat in waters inhabited by rainbows, and results in hybridization resulting in the cutbow...

All that being said - I'll be happy to catch either of those fish, any day of the week, but would enjoy that wirey little cutthroat just a little bit more!!!

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from Big Mike wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

To me, it depends where I am. On the big water, it's all about wild fish, not necessarily native fish. This means that I want to catch a fish whose grandparents were born into the ecosystem, not stocked. Like you said, this includes every brown trout and almost every rainbow I've ever caught in any Missoula area river.

In the headwaters and spawning streams and rivers however, I kill every non-native I catch, including obvious hybrids. These streams are the lifeblood of native westslope cutthroats and bulls in my neck of the woods, and brookies, goldens, and other cuttie variations elsewhere. Many of these species are threatened or "species of concern", and hybridization is one of the major threats to their survival.

Besides, it's nice to be able to eat a trout in the woods and feel good about helping the ecosystem at the same time.

Fortunately, natives around here grow to 20+ and 30+ inches respectively.

All in all, I'd rather catch a "wild", non-native 8 pound rainbow on the big rivers than a native 6 inch cuttie, but definitely not a 1st generation stock pig in a kiddie pond.

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from aragonnapoles wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Far away from the cold spring creeks,missing all kind of trout...any of them 'cause all my actual catches are
sun fish (stocked of course)

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from fisherman14 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I'd like to catch a Greenback. I've never caught one before and its a beautiful fish. Also, its a wild, rare fish which would make it a great catch!

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from Toutrageous wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

only ever caught stocked trout, they are fun and it is nice to cook a few up for dinner but it feels a bit cheap to me. the fish are just put there to be taken. it feels like fishing in an aquarium sometimes, but hey fishing is fishing. but i would love to get a chance to fish the native trout, ones that were put there by the creator himself, not by man. the ones that you have to hike and search for, the ones that haven't ever seen a fly, lure or human hand. but the sad fact is that today those fish are becoming harder and harder to find. because of development and other man-made factors fishing for stockies is the only choice i have unless i fly or drive a great distance. so looks like for now, unless i move somewhere were the natural world has not been run over by a bulldozer or toll brothers.

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from MadJack wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

WELL GUYS,HAVING JUST RECENTLY GOT INTO FLY FISHING DUE TO THE GOOD FOLKS AT PROJECT HEALING WATERS. I HAVE TO SAY THAT FOR ME PERSONALLY, THEY ARE ALL GREAT FISH, AND IF YOU USE THE RIGHT WEIGHT TACKLE FOR EACH ONE IT KIND OF BUMPS UP THE "FIGHT FACTOR" FOR THE LITTLE GUYS. I WISH WE COULD ALL FISH JURASSIC PARK STEAMS FOR THE GRAND DADDY OF EM ALL,BUT THOSE DAYS ARE GONE FOREVER. IF OUR GRAND CHILDREN ARE GOING TO GET TO FISH,THEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HELP WITH STOCKED FISH. I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE INVITED TO FISH WITH THE FOLKS AT SPRING RIDGE IN PA, AND THAT WAS A TRIP OF A LIFE TIME AS FAR AS BIG TROUT GO. WITH MR. JOE HUMPHRIES AS A GUIDE AND THE BIG BROWNS, AND BOWS, THAT THE CLUB HAS FOSTERED IN THAT STREAM IT IS AS CLOSE TO "JURASSIC" AS YOU COULD GET THESE DAYS, AND I'M DARNED GLAD THEY THINK ENOUGH OF THE WOUNDED WARRIORS TO LET US FISH IT AT LEAST ONCE IN OUR LIFE TIME. YET, I'M GLAD TO BE ABLE TO GO TO ANY LITTLE BODY OF WATER THAT I CAN BET MY BANGED UP BODY NEXT TO AND FISH. EVEN IF THAT SUNFISH I JUST LANDED IS A DOUBLE FOR ONE OF MY WIFES GOLD FISH.

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from weve_25 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Either.

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from Joseph Bishop wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I enjoy catching any fish. Here in southern New Mexico most fish are stocked, and it almost always seems like when I can go fishing the fish aren't biting, or I'm trying something new and can't seem to get it quite right when they are biting.

Most of the time I can't leave town so I just hit the pond on campus and after a year of going there to practice this or that a few times a month I think I might actually try to catch something since I haven't yet. I just enjoy fishing whether I catch something or not.

I can go hiking a few miles back after a 2-3 hour drive and catch native Gila Cutthroat trout. I love to do so cause I love the Gila National Forest and I love the beauty of the mountains. But, I can't do that recently cause I have a back problem that doesn't bother my fishing though because I just make the same drive and take the turn a bit early to stop at the lake up there and catch whatever stockers are biting. I do wish I could go up to the forest and fish the lake or stream more, but I don't have time and/or the ability to do so.

I enjoy whatever I catch just like I enjoyed the little bluegill I caught 2 weeks ago at the lake in the mountains that was the first fish I managed to actually land on a fly rod. I would really have enjoyed catching a big Rainbow in 11mile canyon a couple summers ago, but the little trout I spent 30 minutes harassing into biting my micro-fly in the that trip taught me a whole lot because that was my first outing focusing on fly fishing, and when he shook himself off as I was trying to climb down the rock to be able to land and release him quickly he showed me even more.

I enjoy fishing always even in town. I enjoy whatever I catch, but the bigger they are the more exciting it usually is. Now I also enjoy catching small fish in a beautiful setting, but all else being equal I don't care if the fish I catch is stocked or native I like to catch big fish even if it is rare that I do so. So I would have to say given the choice I would chose the big one cause the catching part would be more fun.

Sorry I ran on.
Jeepdude1987

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from Woodstock wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

You bet I’d love to catch that 8-pounder, especially if it was stocked as a fingerling several years ago. By now, it’s evolved into a tough, cagey survivor, and watching it surge out from under a cut bank to hammer my streamer would give me a thrill that I’d probably always remember.

But since you’re forcing me to choose, I’ll have to take the cutthroat. You see, I’ve never caught one - never even seen one, yet one of my life’s passions is to travel literally all over the world to pursue certain species of fish, only so I can admire then release them. I do that because the journey often means as much to me as the fish – or in this case, the size of the fish – does by itself.

I want to catch a greenback cutthroat because they are rare, and I know they are found in some of the most pristine environments in North America. Along with that fish, I also dream of pursuing giant char in Northwest Alaska, peacock bass in the upper Amazon, and bonefish in South America. I’m a man of modest means, but I chase these dreams because I’m at heart both a fly-fisher and an explorer. Someday, when my fly rods are passed on to my son, I hope he enjoys the same thrills of catching fish that we all share, but I also hope he uses the equipment as a vehicle to appreciate our large, diverse world.

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from Linesider21 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

In my opinion, its not important whether or not fish are stocked or native to a particular area. As a fly fisherman, my goal is simple: catch fish and have fun. I'm not as concerned of how the fish got into the water. The point is that they are there and I have an equal opportunity to catch them regardless of where the fish were born. Although a wild greenback would be a pleasure to catch, I would rather reel in a big fat 8 pounder any day. A bigger fish leads to a better fight, and a better fight equals more fun. At the end of the day when I've caught (and released) a huge rainbow, its safe to say that I'd rather have a monster mutant than a pretty banana peel.

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from jrr1 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I would have to say the rainbow trout. Don't get me wrong, i would love to be able to add a green back cutthrout trout to my fishing resume, but it is an endangered species that occupies less than 1% of its original range. I would not want to take a chance at killing one even if I am catch and release fishing. I'll take the abundant rainbow trout any day.

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from OzarkTaxidermy wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Wow, what a loaded question! Everyone wants to catch big fish in a general kind of way, which is why the San Juan, the White River and Lake Taneycomo are all packed to over-flowing with fishermen. I also like catching big fish, but I'm just not a social fisherman. I'll always head for more secluded waters, and of those secluded waters, I love the wild trout streams.

Our hatchery trout have their tails & ventral fins squared off from concrete raceways, and many have a ruddy-colored deformed look to them. Our wild trout are perfect -- they look like what an artist would paint. And the knowledge that stream-bred fish are never fed trout chow and that they've had to be wiley to avoid the bigger fish, the otters, and the herons... well, it just makes me feel all the more talented when I catch one of any size. In addition, I always think of fish in terms of their age rather than in inches and pounds. A 15-inch hatchery trout is 2 years old around here. A 15-inch wild trout is probably more like 5 years old, making it a true trophy in my book.

So, I guess I calling it a draw. An 8-pound hatchery rainbow = a 15-inch wild rainbow = a 10-inch wild greenback (depending on my mood, of course).

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from hawkwildcat wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Its always nice to catch big fish and I would be proud to land anything the size of the rainbow that is show but I take much more pride in taking an eight inch brookie in my native state of Michigan. Sneaking up on a brook trout in a stream that half as wide as my Volkswagon and is as crystal clear as bottled water takes great skill. So I would pick the cutthroat, hands down.

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from hawkwildcat wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Its always nice to catch big fish and I would be proud to land anything the size of the rainbow that is show but I take much more pride in taking an eight inch brookie in my native state of Michigan. Sneaking up on a brook trout in a stream that half as wide as my Volkswagon and is as crystal clear as bottled water takes great skill. So I would pick the cutthroat, hands down.

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from riverdemon10 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I would love to catch the cut-throat over the rainbow. Its not just the fish, its all about the experience of catching the fish. You could go to a highly stocked pond right down the road from you and use pretty much any type of fly or trout bait you want and catch a monster. On the other hand, to catch a native trout of any species you usually have to go somewhere that is rarely fished or somewhere that is in the mountains. You also have to watch the hatch and see what type of flies are hatching and you have to have the correct presentation and know what you are doing. Even if you dont catch anything, at the end of the day you got to spend the day at a beautiful spot instead of maybe somewhere right on the road where the stocking truck parked and dumped its load. When it all comes down to it, the experience you get from catching a native is 100 times more fun and more relaxing than having to struggle with the one timers on opening day to catch stocked trout.

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from time2be wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

For me catching fish is a real pleasure. I fish for just about any kind of fish there is. As to your question. I just like catching both. There is one thing however. To catch a native is a special thing. I have caught native which some fishermen would say " is that your bait?" I was still as proud of catching it as a 22" stocker. I guess I am trying to say I am not too proud to catch any fish small or large. I just love being out there in the action.

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I say anything is good because at the end of the day, they are both fish and fishing, is better than a good day at work. Now if you catch a fish, its better than most anything.

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from jtboles wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I've actually been able to catch multiple greenback cutthroats, and have cught a few bigger rainbows too. I would have to say I'd want to catch the cutthroat cause there are so many lakes around the country that hold big rainbows but it is kinda hard to find place that you can consistantly catch greenbacks.

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from Scott in Ohio wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

venerable greenback cutthroat trout. I can go anywhere and catch a stockie. I always vote for the native.

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

NATIVE

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from MNflyfisher wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I would be glad to catch either, knowing they both would have their benefits. If I had to choose one, I would choose the Cutthroat because of the place it would take me to catch it. Also the satisfaction of knowing you caught a fish that many people have never seen. Another reason is that since we don't have cutthroats in minnesota, I would definately choose the cutthroat. I would not mind catching the Rainbow though.

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from Christian Emter wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I would love to catch the huge rainbow. First the fight would be a memory not to forget. second I have never caught a fish that humungous. Third I wouldn't mind getting my name in the record books. Fourth it tells you what happens when you mess with nature. Fifth it would put food on your table for a while or it would make a great mount.

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from matouse3 wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Being from MI, all salmonids in our state (except for the brookie and lake trout) are technically "stockies". Although I wouldn't give up one day of fishing for them, I would have to say that there is just something about finding, catching, and releasing a native fish in its native waters. Having done a little traveling for fish, I find that there is nothing better than checking off another unique species from my trout "bucket list", so I am going to have to throw my vote to the greenback.

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from teufelhunden wrote 2 years 38 weeks ago

I would go for the greenback but the one I envision would be in the 8 lb. range.

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from jtoc24 wrote 2 years 2 weeks ago

i would rather catch the stocker. i like to now when fish are being stocked, but have no idea about finding the location. and to me, all i care about is the fight and the dinner(maybe) afterwards

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from jtoc24 wrote 2 years 2 weeks ago

i would rather catch the stocker. i like to now when fish are being stocked, but have no idea about finding the location. and to me, all i care about is the fight and the dinner(maybe) afterwards

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from jtoc24 wrote 2 years 2 weeks ago

sorry i posted the same message twice

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from jtoc24 wrote 2 years 2 weeks ago

i also wouldn't feel bad by eating the stocker

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from furbuster wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Once in the wild for a while the stealhead are hard to catch.They become a real challenge. The small fish are fun but being a life long fisherman I get enjoyment in handling the bigger fish that are hard to catch, the Stealhead are top of the chart for me.

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from scott g wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I live in Indiana, basicly a trout free state I hate this argument! please let me catch either one! I'll do it with a smile on my face.......

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from Ramcatt wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

the GBCT...

Native fish most often live in places that are just as/ more impressive as the fish we chase. The journey to these places is just as exciting as the fishing itself. Stocked trout, to me, represent the idea of man's laziness and need to change what is natural. That pellethead bow has been competing with a native fish, a fish that man has marginalized or maybe labeled a "trash fish". The GBCT has survived, adapted, and evolved with out the aid of man, and sometimes overcoming the mistakes of man (ie the misclassification GBs and then reintroduction of the wrong fish in RMNP). For me, the GBs I have caught (all on dries) have all individually been more fulfilling than all of my 8+ stocker bows.

There is the "picture is worth a 1000s words" quote... So look at the two pictures and I think you can tell a lot about the fish in both. The pellethead is the text-book hero shot. The fish is secondary to the fisherman, and there is no acknowledgment of the fish. Rather a dude cheesing the camera and the fish is half-heartedly lifted/flopped. The GB is shot is showcasing the beauty of the fish and notice the fly is still in the mouth. The angler obviously shows respect and admiration for the fish with the way it is held. No hero shot, just fish

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from Fruguy101 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I would love to catch both of them. On the one hand, you have the mutant rainbow that grows large and fights hard. Every fisherman loves a fish that puts up a decent fight. Having a fish put up a fight, jump out of the water, and maybe throwing the hook in the process is a classic tale that grows as large as the fish you almost caught.

on the other hand, with the greenback cutthroat trout, that is a fish that takes skill to land. Sure, they are rare and hard to find, but knowing you had what it took to land one of those fish is a great tale to spin to your buddies back home.

In either case, those are memories that will last a lifetime, and longer if you happen to have a camera handy. Down here in Mississippi, most of the tales are of lunker largemouth bass, and child sized catfish caught by hand. I would relish the chance to catch a fish as shown in those two photos, but alas, will most likely never do it. Besides, catching crappie and bluegill by the cooler full is pretty dang fun.

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from deaddiver wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

This is like which came first chicken or the egg, but im picking the cutthroat because if people say "I caught an 8lb rainbow", ill say "i caught an 8in greenback cutthroat" "whats that??". Exactly

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from kirkdeeter wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Nice one, Yooper... your point being (as I interpret it), that if "Mr. Small and Native" were all he's cracked up to be... why are so many people stacked up under the dams to (hopefully) encounter "Mr. Fat and Nasty?"

And MLH, let's just be honest with each other, as Michigan men... both of us would give anything to catch that 30-inch PM brown we posted a few days ago, true?

In any regard, I'm not at all convinced anymore that the wild fish are harder to fool than the stockers... sometimes quite the contrary. In fact, I''d almost say the big stocker that's seen a few flies (or more) is the tougher quarry than the wild fish that scant few people are willing to hike and sweat to cast at... so which is the better measure of the all-around angler? Skill... mission... otherwise?

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from chadlove wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I'll be damned, so THAT'S what a greenback looks like...

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from tourneyking734 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

most definitely the cutthroat would be my choice. In most states there is a place where there are mutant rainbows that grow large but the greenback cutthroat is very rare and for me at least would be as much of a trophy as a 8 pound rainbow.

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from Fisher Boy wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

yeah, you can muscle your way to victory, but i would rather catch the green back, because to me it sems more of a challenge, getting a small bait that it will take, and keeping it on the line, and hey, it looks cooler if you ask me

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from Skeeb wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

For me, it would be the wild Cutthroat. Just the pride alone from catching one of those beauties is enough to get me going. Any fool can catch a stocked trout, it takes patience, practice, and alot of back breaking walking to catch a wild greenback. And, not many people know the pride of catching a wild trout on a fly that you tied yourself.

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from muskiemaster wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

fishing just rocks give me a fish and I'll be happy just to catch. 'nough said!

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from FlyDave wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Not even close... I'd go for the greenback, because fly-fishing is only 10% about size... the other 90% is about connecting with the environment, people and places.

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from shane wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Having done both the small native thing, the giant not native thing, and the pretty durn big native thing, the special feeling that comes with the native trout feels not as special.

After you've pulled out countless tiny brookies or cuts, you just want an alien freakshow brown or bow to gobble the pretty little native you have on the other end, so things can get exciting again.

But, once I get my jollies from that, I'll eventually find myself back in the middle of goshdarned nowhere again, trying to catch some untouched trout that haven't seen a hook or hand in years.

Basically, wild native trout are the holy grail until you catch a bunch, then you don't care so much and just want some cheap thrills that really tug.

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from Steven9253 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

my vote is for anyfish on the line. While catching the rainbow would be an amzing fight, the cut throat is so beautiful. I figure if you're fishing and not at work it's a good day regardless of catching fish!!

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from Alex Pernice th... wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

And the "why should we care" meant, why does a stocked fish matter, they fight the same, don't get me wrong, wild fish are great, but I don't see why people make such a big deal over it (Like flying all over the world to catch a 6 inch wild brookie when there is a stream near there house where they could get a 30 inch steelhead who's parents were stocked) Really, almost all fish are stocked, and many where I live are, I'm not lucky like you (there are very few wild fish around me.)

AP

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from MLH wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Between the two, today, I'd fish for the stocker. It would be delightful to be where the greenback swims and to bring one to hand. But Colorado's state fish is threatened and until it makes a comeback I'd rather just leave the greenback alone and settle for a picture such as the one above.

By the way my biggest trout was a stocker rainbow hen. It took quite an effort to fool so I truly earned it.

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from Dannyjr321 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Personaly i just like to fish, just being on the water is what i want. If i catch something it is a bonus.

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from Koldkut wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I'm after the big boy, he's harder to get on the line and harder to land, period. And not to slam the greenback guys, I've caught one and tell you what they are pretty fish, but they will take large gaudy flies readily and are easier to catch than most of those larger fat piggy stocked fish. You don't have to stiff-arm that piggy to try to exagerate anything in a picture either. Maybe I'll be able to stick one of those 24" stocked pigs from 11 Mile canyon tomorrow, and join the 24/24 club(24" fish on a size 24 fly)!

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from grouse hunter wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

The Stocker, and here is why, many years ago I took my nephew fishing to my secret smallmouth spot. He was 8 and we caught a bunch of smallmouth. Then He gets on a 10lb carp. After we got it in and released it my nephew said, "Uncle do you have a secret carp spot. I like catching those big carp alot more than those little smallmouth." Sometimes we need to realize a fish is just a fish, and ask anyone would you rather catch a 1lb fish or 10lb fish, not giving a specific species. They will alway chose the 10lb fish. So I fly fish for carp alot now along with trout. Leave it to a kid to open your eyes to what fishing is all about.

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from MadJack wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

WELL GUYS,HAVING JUST RECENTLY GOT INTO FLY FISHING DUE TO THE GOOD FOLKS AT PROJECT HEALING WATERS. I HAVE TO SAY THAT FOR ME PERSONALLY, THEY ARE ALL GREAT FISH, AND IF YOU USE THE RIGHT WEIGHT TACKLE FOR EACH ONE IT KIND OF BUMPS UP THE "FIGHT FACTOR" FOR THE LITTLE GUYS. I WISH WE COULD ALL FISH JURASSIC PARK STEAMS FOR THE GRAND DADDY OF EM ALL,BUT THOSE DAYS ARE GONE FOREVER. IF OUR GRAND CHILDREN ARE GOING TO GET TO FISH,THEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HELP WITH STOCKED FISH. I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE INVITED TO FISH WITH THE FOLKS AT SPRING RIDGE IN PA, AND THAT WAS A TRIP OF A LIFE TIME AS FAR AS BIG TROUT GO. WITH MR. JOE HUMPHRIES AS A GUIDE AND THE BIG BROWNS, AND BOWS, THAT THE CLUB HAS FOSTERED IN THAT STREAM IT IS AS CLOSE TO "JURASSIC" AS YOU COULD GET THESE DAYS, AND I'M DARNED GLAD THEY THINK ENOUGH OF THE WOUNDED WARRIORS TO LET US FISH IT AT LEAST ONCE IN OUR LIFE TIME. YET, I'M GLAD TO BE ABLE TO GO TO ANY LITTLE BODY OF WATER THAT I CAN BET MY BANGED UP BODY NEXT TO AND FISH. EVEN IF THAT SUNFISH I JUST LANDED IS A DOUBLE FOR ONE OF MY WIFES GOLD FISH.

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from matouse3 wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Being from MI, all salmonids in our state (except for the brookie and lake trout) are technically "stockies". Although I wouldn't give up one day of fishing for them, I would have to say that there is just something about finding, catching, and releasing a native fish in its native waters. Having done a little traveling for fish, I find that there is nothing better than checking off another unique species from my trout "bucket list", so I am going to have to throw my vote to the greenback.

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from Johnnyras1624 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

8 lbs. trout every time.

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from az88 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

My answer is the Greenback cutthroat....It's one of those rare gems-of-a-fish that few have caught and thus, don't have the bragging rights for.

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from Walt Smith wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Of course its the greenback cutthroat, you can buy steelhead at any market ,besides that little trout is orange inside and will be really tasty nailed on a board in a campfire.

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from vtbluegrass wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Why can't I just catch wild, native, and big trout? The Bull Trout.
But if I must I would say the Greenback. Because if I had a greenback on the end of my line it would mean I was somewhere really cool and not a warmwater carp stream that got stocked over the winter months. Also because I have caught a grain fed rainbow that size before in downtown Roanoke, VA.

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from tommythunder wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Greenback. If you are in the right place at the right time to catch that fish, you are experiencing it all. The other fish, maybe not. It's all good, for sure, but if you have to chose one. Greenback.

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from elkslayer wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I'd rather catch the native cutthroat.(and I do)

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from kirkdeeter wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Alex, I'm hearing what you are saying... and I'm not coming down on you bud... but you already know that a mount eventually collects dust in an attic, but a memory never dies. And why we should still care... that almost made me jump off my chair... yeah, we care, and we're counting on teenagers like you, buddy, to bring things into perspective. (Oh, dang... I might have just tipped my hand.)

On your other question... dude, didn't they teach you in camp how to tie a nail knot? Rio or SA are worth the price spent for Spey lines. I'd tell you if I felt otherwise. You'll buy three lines instead of one if you mess around on that.

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from flyfishpapa wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I feel incredibly lucky any time I get a fish on the line, stocked or native. I've caught my share of big stockers but if I had to pick one I think I'd go for the greenback. You can literally catch a big stocker anywhere but a native greenback, or here in California, a native golden resides in beautiful, remote country that takes work to get to, there is a sense of reward and accomplishment just making it to their home waters. I hope to to catch a native golden in the Golden Trout Wilderness some day and when that day comes the size of the fish won't matter at all, it will be HUGE every time I talk about it anyway.

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from Alex Pernice th... wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Good point and Deeter, 20 pound darcon super glued, tied with a nail knot Trust me, the knot was good, he striped the coating off the line, I was Pi**ed... (the knot was fine, my drag was too tight for the fish, he was atleast 25 pounds, I need 35 pound Gel spun on that reel and a disk drag reel...) And I fished saltwater Deeter, I know how to tie good knots, my dad wouldn't let me hit the water untill my knots were perfect...

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from YooperRyan wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

The greenback would certainly be special for that rare and romantic quality that fisherman will often aspire toward when the mood strikes the right, but I will tell you, without hestiation, that I would much rather feel the tug of the 8 pound stock job on the end of my line. That's what inspired me, and I imagine most other fishermen and women, to pick up a rod in the first place.

Any fisherman that says any different is a dirty rotten liar! - The irony here of course being that the capcity to bend the truth is the foremost prerequisite to the sport.

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from YooperRyan wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Wow! I commented before reading any of those that preceded mine...

Deeter, to underscore the last bit of my previous post, you can surely tell that this blog is full of practiced fisherman, citing both the quantity and quality of all the liars, er, I mean fisherman, that would rather catch a fish who's effort is as pedestrian as it is beautiful.

So as long as everybody is being so "honest" here's my question to everybody seeming spending their summer at Camp Greenback. How come it seems I'm always shoulder to shoulder when fishing the Pan, while I've never had less then a third of Fern lake, in the RMNP, all to myself?

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from dwaynez wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I would much rather catch the Wild trout, it's a catch you really have to work for and the pure beauty of that fish would stand out more in my mind than the plain looking stocked fish.

Being able to catch a wild fish means you went on an adventure and you accomplished something, you caught a native species in it's habitat and you had to work for it, it was not handed to you.

Just like a high fence hunt compared to taking a wild white tail after a lengthy stalk, you accomplished something in the wild.

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I receive great satisfaction knowing I've caught a fish born and raised in the river that has survived years of predation, natural selection and whose genes are in direct linage of the fish caught hundreds of years ago by our forefathers. I did something special and for the moment was one with nature.

Stocked trout are simply prostitutes of the water. They are bought and paid for cheap thrills for anyone with a worm and Zebco 202.

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from fflutterffly wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

yeah, Yeah, Yeah... size is everything. Well not really, be it as it may unpopular with in the profile of most fly fisherman (anglers in general) I'd still rather catch the smaller quality fish who has a reputation, than some colorless creature who will bite at anything. With that said you'd have to be an idiot not to want to hook into a monster fight with a stocked bow who could pull a VW down into the depths. So I hope I've manage to do the diplomatic thing and play both sides of the road.

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from senglund wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Honestly, I'd be fine with either one. There's a definite rush of excitement catching a big fish that puts up a big fight - stocked or not. There can also be a certain level of excitement in catching a native cutthroat. I've been on a small stream fishing for trout and caught a small panfish - I think it was a pumpkinseed - and I still had a blast catching it, mainly because it was unexpected. So, yeah, either would be fine with me.

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from Sick STi wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I'd rather catch the Greenback due to the fact that it is not a common fish. Catching stocked fish is fun, but the rarity of the Greenback is amazing. That could be the most beautiful fish I've ever seen.

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from cverstrate wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I'm for the greenback every time. There's something awesome about catching a fish that's supposed to be there and is truely wild.

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from seadog wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Count me in the "it's all good" category. I'd love to get a chance at both someday when I have the time & money to travel--I won't be getting either one down here in Florida. When it happens, the stocker's going on the table & the greenback's going back in the water.

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from MLH wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Deeter - yes, that 30" PM brown would be atop the list. Nice to know they are out there.

Still like to catch the little brookies, though - just to admire them. And I agree, wild trout that don't often see a fly are much easier to catch than stockers that have seen it all.

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from madtrapper wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

i'll take the native fish. every drop of sweat along every mile mile hiked to find that guy would be forgotten when i connected with him. the memories of camping, watching the starts, and hanging out in Gods country while fishing would last forever.

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from YooperRyan wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Excellent point Koldcut. The degree of difficulty for the hog is much more than for the greenback. The only thing hard about the greenback is getting to them, but once you do that you'll find them to be an easy catch.

If an 8 pound stocked trout is a "prostitute of the water" as buckhunter suggests, I'd simply like to add that she's a high end gal with a price to match.

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from YooperRyan wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

One more thing...

I doubt the 8 pounder was an 8 pounder when it was stocked. It got that way by being a good trout - eating lots of bugs and evading predation, all driven by natural (key word) instinct. So as it turns out, many of the same reasons that earn the greenback such praise can also be applied to the brute. It is after all still a trout, a pretty fish, likely caught in a pretty place, regardless of how it got there.

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from dwatkins wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I would be happy catching either one. I have never caught a trout so either one would be a first for me. There is excitement in catching a big fish and the fight you get. There is also excitment that comes from catching the smaller greenback. It is a very beautiful fish. As long as it was a fun day I would be happy with either one.

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from jvento wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Cell phone is off, no one is on the water, and all you can hear is the river... To me, fishing is more than just an activity, it's MY time. I'm in the zone until the day is over, and nothing else matters in between then. For once, I don't have to worry about life and all it's troubles and only thoughts of "I'd bet there is a fish in that run," or "Which of my beat-up flies is going to work?" run through my mind.

Personally, a fish is a fish, stocked or not. I'm not going to choose which fish I would rather catch, but instead, where I would fish. Doesn't matter to me how rare or significant the GBCT is, if the water is populated with people, I'll turn right around and move to another less-populated location, even if I do end up catching freshly stocked bows...

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from j-johnson17 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Because of the recent findings by the Colorado Division of Wildlife, of whom I am an employee, along with a few geneticists - nobody really know if the Greenback Cutthroat trout actually exists... Recent findings say that there is virtually no genetic difference between a Yellowfin (I believe...) Cutthroat trout and what we know as the Greenback Cutthroat trout.

This being said - I have caught hundreds of the little buggers and every one of them caught has been a blast. To counter that, I haven't caught hundreds of 8+ pound rainbows, which intrude on native waters and displace the cutthroat trout, eventually leading to extirpation of the cutthroat in waters inhabited by rainbows, and results in hybridization resulting in the cutbow...

All that being said - I'll be happy to catch either of those fish, any day of the week, but would enjoy that wirey little cutthroat just a little bit more!!!

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from Big Mike wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

To me, it depends where I am. On the big water, it's all about wild fish, not necessarily native fish. This means that I want to catch a fish whose grandparents were born into the ecosystem, not stocked. Like you said, this includes every brown trout and almost every rainbow I've ever caught in any Missoula area river.

In the headwaters and spawning streams and rivers however, I kill every non-native I catch, including obvious hybrids. These streams are the lifeblood of native westslope cutthroats and bulls in my neck of the woods, and brookies, goldens, and other cuttie variations elsewhere. Many of these species are threatened or "species of concern", and hybridization is one of the major threats to their survival.

Besides, it's nice to be able to eat a trout in the woods and feel good about helping the ecosystem at the same time.

Fortunately, natives around here grow to 20+ and 30+ inches respectively.

All in all, I'd rather catch a "wild", non-native 8 pound rainbow on the big rivers than a native 6 inch cuttie, but definitely not a 1st generation stock pig in a kiddie pond.

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from aragonnapoles wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Far away from the cold spring creeks,missing all kind of trout...any of them 'cause all my actual catches are
sun fish (stocked of course)

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from fisherman14 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I'd like to catch a Greenback. I've never caught one before and its a beautiful fish. Also, its a wild, rare fish which would make it a great catch!

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from Toutrageous wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

only ever caught stocked trout, they are fun and it is nice to cook a few up for dinner but it feels a bit cheap to me. the fish are just put there to be taken. it feels like fishing in an aquarium sometimes, but hey fishing is fishing. but i would love to get a chance to fish the native trout, ones that were put there by the creator himself, not by man. the ones that you have to hike and search for, the ones that haven't ever seen a fly, lure or human hand. but the sad fact is that today those fish are becoming harder and harder to find. because of development and other man-made factors fishing for stockies is the only choice i have unless i fly or drive a great distance. so looks like for now, unless i move somewhere were the natural world has not been run over by a bulldozer or toll brothers.

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from weve_25 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Either.

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from Joseph Bishop wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I enjoy catching any fish. Here in southern New Mexico most fish are stocked, and it almost always seems like when I can go fishing the fish aren't biting, or I'm trying something new and can't seem to get it quite right when they are biting.

Most of the time I can't leave town so I just hit the pond on campus and after a year of going there to practice this or that a few times a month I think I might actually try to catch something since I haven't yet. I just enjoy fishing whether I catch something or not.

I can go hiking a few miles back after a 2-3 hour drive and catch native Gila Cutthroat trout. I love to do so cause I love the Gila National Forest and I love the beauty of the mountains. But, I can't do that recently cause I have a back problem that doesn't bother my fishing though because I just make the same drive and take the turn a bit early to stop at the lake up there and catch whatever stockers are biting. I do wish I could go up to the forest and fish the lake or stream more, but I don't have time and/or the ability to do so.

I enjoy whatever I catch just like I enjoyed the little bluegill I caught 2 weeks ago at the lake in the mountains that was the first fish I managed to actually land on a fly rod. I would really have enjoyed catching a big Rainbow in 11mile canyon a couple summers ago, but the little trout I spent 30 minutes harassing into biting my micro-fly in the that trip taught me a whole lot because that was my first outing focusing on fly fishing, and when he shook himself off as I was trying to climb down the rock to be able to land and release him quickly he showed me even more.

I enjoy fishing always even in town. I enjoy whatever I catch, but the bigger they are the more exciting it usually is. Now I also enjoy catching small fish in a beautiful setting, but all else being equal I don't care if the fish I catch is stocked or native I like to catch big fish even if it is rare that I do so. So I would have to say given the choice I would chose the big one cause the catching part would be more fun.

Sorry I ran on.
Jeepdude1987

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from Woodstock wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

You bet I’d love to catch that 8-pounder, especially if it was stocked as a fingerling several years ago. By now, it’s evolved into a tough, cagey survivor, and watching it surge out from under a cut bank to hammer my streamer would give me a thrill that I’d probably always remember.

But since you’re forcing me to choose, I’ll have to take the cutthroat. You see, I’ve never caught one - never even seen one, yet one of my life’s passions is to travel literally all over the world to pursue certain species of fish, only so I can admire then release them. I do that because the journey often means as much to me as the fish – or in this case, the size of the fish – does by itself.

I want to catch a greenback cutthroat because they are rare, and I know they are found in some of the most pristine environments in North America. Along with that fish, I also dream of pursuing giant char in Northwest Alaska, peacock bass in the upper Amazon, and bonefish in South America. I’m a man of modest means, but I chase these dreams because I’m at heart both a fly-fisher and an explorer. Someday, when my fly rods are passed on to my son, I hope he enjoys the same thrills of catching fish that we all share, but I also hope he uses the equipment as a vehicle to appreciate our large, diverse world.

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from Linesider21 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

In my opinion, its not important whether or not fish are stocked or native to a particular area. As a fly fisherman, my goal is simple: catch fish and have fun. I'm not as concerned of how the fish got into the water. The point is that they are there and I have an equal opportunity to catch them regardless of where the fish were born. Although a wild greenback would be a pleasure to catch, I would rather reel in a big fat 8 pounder any day. A bigger fish leads to a better fight, and a better fight equals more fun. At the end of the day when I've caught (and released) a huge rainbow, its safe to say that I'd rather have a monster mutant than a pretty banana peel.

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from jrr1 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I would have to say the rainbow trout. Don't get me wrong, i would love to be able to add a green back cutthrout trout to my fishing resume, but it is an endangered species that occupies less than 1% of its original range. I would not want to take a chance at killing one even if I am catch and release fishing. I'll take the abundant rainbow trout any day.

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from OzarkTaxidermy wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Wow, what a loaded question! Everyone wants to catch big fish in a general kind of way, which is why the San Juan, the White River and Lake Taneycomo are all packed to over-flowing with fishermen. I also like catching big fish, but I'm just not a social fisherman. I'll always head for more secluded waters, and of those secluded waters, I love the wild trout streams.

Our hatchery trout have their tails & ventral fins squared off from concrete raceways, and many have a ruddy-colored deformed look to them. Our wild trout are perfect -- they look like what an artist would paint. And the knowledge that stream-bred fish are never fed trout chow and that they've had to be wiley to avoid the bigger fish, the otters, and the herons... well, it just makes me feel all the more talented when I catch one of any size. In addition, I always think of fish in terms of their age rather than in inches and pounds. A 15-inch hatchery trout is 2 years old around here. A 15-inch wild trout is probably more like 5 years old, making it a true trophy in my book.

So, I guess I calling it a draw. An 8-pound hatchery rainbow = a 15-inch wild rainbow = a 10-inch wild greenback (depending on my mood, of course).

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from hawkwildcat wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Its always nice to catch big fish and I would be proud to land anything the size of the rainbow that is show but I take much more pride in taking an eight inch brookie in my native state of Michigan. Sneaking up on a brook trout in a stream that half as wide as my Volkswagon and is as crystal clear as bottled water takes great skill. So I would pick the cutthroat, hands down.

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from hawkwildcat wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Its always nice to catch big fish and I would be proud to land anything the size of the rainbow that is show but I take much more pride in taking an eight inch brookie in my native state of Michigan. Sneaking up on a brook trout in a stream that half as wide as my Volkswagon and is as crystal clear as bottled water takes great skill. So I would pick the cutthroat, hands down.

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from riverdemon10 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I would love to catch the cut-throat over the rainbow. Its not just the fish, its all about the experience of catching the fish. You could go to a highly stocked pond right down the road from you and use pretty much any type of fly or trout bait you want and catch a monster. On the other hand, to catch a native trout of any species you usually have to go somewhere that is rarely fished or somewhere that is in the mountains. You also have to watch the hatch and see what type of flies are hatching and you have to have the correct presentation and know what you are doing. Even if you dont catch anything, at the end of the day you got to spend the day at a beautiful spot instead of maybe somewhere right on the road where the stocking truck parked and dumped its load. When it all comes down to it, the experience you get from catching a native is 100 times more fun and more relaxing than having to struggle with the one timers on opening day to catch stocked trout.

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from time2be wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

For me catching fish is a real pleasure. I fish for just about any kind of fish there is. As to your question. I just like catching both. There is one thing however. To catch a native is a special thing. I have caught native which some fishermen would say " is that your bait?" I was still as proud of catching it as a 22" stocker. I guess I am trying to say I am not too proud to catch any fish small or large. I just love being out there in the action.

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I say anything is good because at the end of the day, they are both fish and fishing, is better than a good day at work. Now if you catch a fish, its better than most anything.

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from jtboles wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I've actually been able to catch multiple greenback cutthroats, and have cught a few bigger rainbows too. I would have to say I'd want to catch the cutthroat cause there are so many lakes around the country that hold big rainbows but it is kinda hard to find place that you can consistantly catch greenbacks.

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from Scott in Ohio wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

venerable greenback cutthroat trout. I can go anywhere and catch a stockie. I always vote for the native.

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

NATIVE

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from MNflyfisher wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

I would be glad to catch either, knowing they both would have their benefits. If I had to choose one, I would choose the Cutthroat because of the place it would take me to catch it. Also the satisfaction of knowing you caught a fish that many people have never seen. Another reason is that since we don't have cutthroats in minnesota, I would definately choose the cutthroat. I would not mind catching the Rainbow though.

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from Christian Emter wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I would love to catch the huge rainbow. First the fight would be a memory not to forget. second I have never caught a fish that humungous. Third I wouldn't mind getting my name in the record books. Fourth it tells you what happens when you mess with nature. Fifth it would put food on your table for a while or it would make a great mount.

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from teufelhunden wrote 2 years 38 weeks ago

I would go for the greenback but the one I envision would be in the 8 lb. range.

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from Alex Pernice th... wrote 2 years 40 weeks ago

Deeter, I'd rather catch a big stocker, ya can catch the heck out of wild ones, but you can't mount a 6 inch brookie, vs a 30 inch brown. MY other point, almost all the fish we catch in freshwater (70+%) were not native at one time, carp (Asia) Browns (German) Some Rainbows, graling in Alaska (there from Michigan), so I don't see why we should care.

And speaking of lines, I got spooled, yes spooled, hooking into a king this weekend, loosing my Rio windcutter spey, but right now, I don't have 160+ dollars for a line, so my question is, What is a good (mid price) spey line?

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from jtoc24 wrote 2 years 2 weeks ago

i would rather catch the stocker. i like to now when fish are being stocked, but have no idea about finding the location. and to me, all i care about is the fight and the dinner(maybe) afterwards

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from jtoc24 wrote 2 years 2 weeks ago

i would rather catch the stocker. i like to now when fish are being stocked, but have no idea about finding the location. and to me, all i care about is the fight and the dinner(maybe) afterwards

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from jtoc24 wrote 2 years 2 weeks ago

sorry i posted the same message twice

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from jtoc24 wrote 2 years 2 weeks ago

i also wouldn't feel bad by eating the stocker

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from furbuster wrote 1 year 51 weeks ago

Once in the wild for a while the stealhead are hard to catch.They become a real challenge. The small fish are fun but being a life long fisherman I get enjoyment in handling the bigger fish that are hard to catch, the Stealhead are top of the chart for me.

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