


November 02, 2009
Pick Your Poison: Chuck Bait or Get Skunked
By Kirk Deeter
I'm on my way to the Everglades for a few days of high adventure, camping, kayaking and hopefully catching some snook, redfish, and/or tarpon. Every time I go saltwater fishing, however, I bring a baitcaster along. I'd rather catch a fish on a pinfish in dirty water, than get stuck with just a fly rod when the fly thing isn't happening. And sometimes it doesn't happen.
Now... in trout fishing, I actually believe that a fly floated the right way is deadlier than any old lure... and I'm just not going to bait fish for trout, no matter what. I haven't fished garden hackle in years, and I simply can't and won't go there.
But I can turn into a downright bait-chucking, heavy metal-chucking monster in the salt, in a relative hurry.
Is this wrong? Should I just man up and stick to the "fly or die" ideal, even in the saltwater? Or is fishing about catching, and all is fair game?
Not that you'll change my attitude (or actions) in the next few days... but I am interested in your opinions.
Deeter
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I go saltwater fishing once a year, always in the Outer Banks. I TRY to stick to my fly rod when fishing in the sound, but to date, I've caught ONE fish on a fly rod in the salt. And it was a lizard fish, described by one fish identification chart as "an undesirable species that will, unfortunately, bite almost any lure." I haven't ever tried to surf cast a fly rod and am perfectly happy to chuck bait into the waves (or off a pier).
I'd like to learn to fly fish in the salt, but my own attempts have been pretty terrible. I need a teacher I guess (or a flats boat), so until either of those things come into my life, I'll probably continue to give fly fishing in the salt a token effort each year before picking up spin hardware.
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Evan!
Why not do it all?
YOU can stick to your ethics. I'LL stick to catching fish.
always keep your options open. sometimes it's just not happening with the fly rod. adapting is a natural reaction to adverse conditions.
I fish to catch fish, although I am not successful every time out. I see to many people go out after one species only, kinda like going to fishing paradise (Everglades) and not allowing yourself to have fun by sticking with one species or one technique (flyrod). Loosen up take a small arsenal and hook any thing that swims, we learn from each fish we catch, run with it and relax and enjoy all the other good stuff that comes with fishing, and when your done post some good pictures for us.
Oh no! Not the classic bait vs fly arguement.
Deeter, if I ever saw a picture of you chucking a worm I'd me most proud of you. I might even forget your from Michigan.
It's about enjoying yourself. Some find solace in the art of the fly cast alone. Others need to feel the electrical transmission, that sensation of life tugging against one's rod, whether conventional, spinning or fly.
If guilt begins to overide the enjoyment that the actual catching of fish brings you. Just pull out your pliers and mash the barbs down.
I say bring the gear & go with your mood. Sometimes catching "junk" fish can be more fun than fishing for the trophy. Catching dinner is always good. And that elusive bonefish on fly will make your whole weekend. OK, maybe you can't really have it all, but it doesn't hurt to try.
It's not "fly or die" it's "FISH OR DIE ! "
Got to "toss" what they want regardless !
I always bring a spin casting reel, I would rather lower my morals and throw out a worm than be skunked. Often I will flyfish, lure fish, whatever I can find on the bank then I will worm fish in that order until I start catching fish. But there is nothing like building a fire and throwing out a worm and kicking back.
I'm not a hardcore fly fishing snob, but baitcasting lost its appeal. I started off as a bait thrower as a kid, but now it just feels like I might as well use nets. Playing a fish is second to tricking it, and the best tricking I think is with feathers, thread, and a hook. I had a really slow day nymphing yesterday and ultimately took out the 4wt to throw dries. It undoubtedly decreased my chances of hooking fish, but was much more enjoyable to cast, focus on a good float, etc.
But if people get the same thrill out of spin fishing that I do with fly fishing, I say go for it!
I love throwing a fly and I can't stress that enough, but when the time calls to chunk a little meat, I am all for it. I think it's all about enjoying yourself.
I'm a guy that flyfishes, not a fly snob. I'll do whatever sounds fun or productive at the moment, usually both.
I fish bait too, not often, but I do. Surf casting isn't a fly sport, and sometimes most saltwater isn't. I won't throw bait for trout, ever. Don't fish much trout, and when I do its steelies and throwing bait is a sin where I come from.
sell the bait and gear rods...
The only way to learn and adapt is to remove the crutch... thats if you want to improve.
If your only concern is catching fish... sell the fly rods.
I wildly prefer fly fishing to any other method. But when conditions call (ie high water), you can bet I'm getting that Powerbait rig ready to go.
Please explain why one would have to consider the fly rod an inadequate tool for the job. While the spinning or jigging rigs are acceptable. Don't get me wrong. I don't consider on superior to the other, as equipment goes. If you 'd like you can just email direct and not bore the rest with the answer.
Aw, fishing's fishing. It can be done with style as long as it's in context. Floating a fly on a trout stream in the rockies is a fishing classic. Doesn't mean you have to go all snobby and live a life of celibacy from the spinning tackle. Topwaters for Texas redfish? Absolutely. Tarpon taken on the fly or with a number 13 circle hook widened out in the vise are equally thrilling. Spanish mackerel on lures from light spinning tackle... Like I said, it's about context. Soaking bait all the time is lame. Using it as a last resort is OK.
just use what is working at the time. you may never make it back there so catch fish if you can, however you can as long as it's ethical and legal.
I do both, but my choice usually depends upon how badly I want to catch a fish to eat. It's a fun vs. effectiveness thing, and when catch-and-fillet is the goal, I'm not adverse to dunking bait or even laying out a gillnet or throwing a cast net, which is legal in some places where I live.
Someone put a piece of tuna sandwich as bait when fly fishing for trout and saves his trip. Then a live shrimp
or mullet (fingerling)pulled as a dropper behind a cork
pop may save your everglades visions.
In response to flutterfly, I just think that while a fly rod is often best in a variety of situations, that's not always the case, especially with freshly stocked trout, or in high water conditions. That's when you have "broaden your horizons" to be successful. And often that includes chucking hardware or bait.
Just to be clear, fly fishing definitely has a special attraction to me no other form of fishing does. But when it comes to it, I will do what I need to do to give myself a shot to catch fish, provided it's totally legal and ethical.
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Why not do it all?
YOU can stick to your ethics. I'LL stick to catching fish.
always keep your options open. sometimes it's just not happening with the fly rod. adapting is a natural reaction to adverse conditions.
I fish to catch fish, although I am not successful every time out. I see to many people go out after one species only, kinda like going to fishing paradise (Everglades) and not allowing yourself to have fun by sticking with one species or one technique (flyrod). Loosen up take a small arsenal and hook any thing that swims, we learn from each fish we catch, run with it and relax and enjoy all the other good stuff that comes with fishing, and when your done post some good pictures for us.
It's about enjoying yourself. Some find solace in the art of the fly cast alone. Others need to feel the electrical transmission, that sensation of life tugging against one's rod, whether conventional, spinning or fly.
If guilt begins to overide the enjoyment that the actual catching of fish brings you. Just pull out your pliers and mash the barbs down.
I always bring a spin casting reel, I would rather lower my morals and throw out a worm than be skunked. Often I will flyfish, lure fish, whatever I can find on the bank then I will worm fish in that order until I start catching fish. But there is nothing like building a fire and throwing out a worm and kicking back.
I'm not a hardcore fly fishing snob, but baitcasting lost its appeal. I started off as a bait thrower as a kid, but now it just feels like I might as well use nets. Playing a fish is second to tricking it, and the best tricking I think is with feathers, thread, and a hook. I had a really slow day nymphing yesterday and ultimately took out the 4wt to throw dries. It undoubtedly decreased my chances of hooking fish, but was much more enjoyable to cast, focus on a good float, etc.
But if people get the same thrill out of spin fishing that I do with fly fishing, I say go for it!
I'm a guy that flyfishes, not a fly snob. I'll do whatever sounds fun or productive at the moment, usually both.
sell the bait and gear rods...
The only way to learn and adapt is to remove the crutch... thats if you want to improve.
If your only concern is catching fish... sell the fly rods.
Oh no! Not the classic bait vs fly arguement.
Deeter, if I ever saw a picture of you chucking a worm I'd me most proud of you. I might even forget your from Michigan.
I say bring the gear & go with your mood. Sometimes catching "junk" fish can be more fun than fishing for the trophy. Catching dinner is always good. And that elusive bonefish on fly will make your whole weekend. OK, maybe you can't really have it all, but it doesn't hurt to try.
It's not "fly or die" it's "FISH OR DIE ! "
Got to "toss" what they want regardless !
I love throwing a fly and I can't stress that enough, but when the time calls to chunk a little meat, I am all for it. I think it's all about enjoying yourself.
I fish bait too, not often, but I do. Surf casting isn't a fly sport, and sometimes most saltwater isn't. I won't throw bait for trout, ever. Don't fish much trout, and when I do its steelies and throwing bait is a sin where I come from.
I wildly prefer fly fishing to any other method. But when conditions call (ie high water), you can bet I'm getting that Powerbait rig ready to go.
Please explain why one would have to consider the fly rod an inadequate tool for the job. While the spinning or jigging rigs are acceptable. Don't get me wrong. I don't consider on superior to the other, as equipment goes. If you 'd like you can just email direct and not bore the rest with the answer.
Aw, fishing's fishing. It can be done with style as long as it's in context. Floating a fly on a trout stream in the rockies is a fishing classic. Doesn't mean you have to go all snobby and live a life of celibacy from the spinning tackle. Topwaters for Texas redfish? Absolutely. Tarpon taken on the fly or with a number 13 circle hook widened out in the vise are equally thrilling. Spanish mackerel on lures from light spinning tackle... Like I said, it's about context. Soaking bait all the time is lame. Using it as a last resort is OK.
just use what is working at the time. you may never make it back there so catch fish if you can, however you can as long as it's ethical and legal.
I do both, but my choice usually depends upon how badly I want to catch a fish to eat. It's a fun vs. effectiveness thing, and when catch-and-fillet is the goal, I'm not adverse to dunking bait or even laying out a gillnet or throwing a cast net, which is legal in some places where I live.
I go saltwater fishing once a year, always in the Outer Banks. I TRY to stick to my fly rod when fishing in the sound, but to date, I've caught ONE fish on a fly rod in the salt. And it was a lizard fish, described by one fish identification chart as "an undesirable species that will, unfortunately, bite almost any lure." I haven't ever tried to surf cast a fly rod and am perfectly happy to chuck bait into the waves (or off a pier).
I'd like to learn to fly fish in the salt, but my own attempts have been pretty terrible. I need a teacher I guess (or a flats boat), so until either of those things come into my life, I'll probably continue to give fly fishing in the salt a token effort each year before picking up spin hardware.
yrs-
Evan!
Someone put a piece of tuna sandwich as bait when fly fishing for trout and saves his trip. Then a live shrimp
or mullet (fingerling)pulled as a dropper behind a cork
pop may save your everglades visions.
In response to flutterfly, I just think that while a fly rod is often best in a variety of situations, that's not always the case, especially with freshly stocked trout, or in high water conditions. That's when you have "broaden your horizons" to be successful. And often that includes chucking hardware or bait.
Just to be clear, fly fishing definitely has a special attraction to me no other form of fishing does. But when it comes to it, I will do what I need to do to give myself a shot to catch fish, provided it's totally legal and ethical.
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