


November 16, 2009
Would You Take a Photo with a Foul-Hooked Fish?
Let's start the week by sprinkling some hot sauce... Simple question: Is it fair game or dirty pool to take a grip-'n-grin photograph with a fish you landed, but was foul-hooked?
I ask because it actually came up as an issue on a guide trip this summer. "Joe" was guiding "Bob" when Bob hooked into the biggest rainbow trout he could remember. Problem was, he hooked it in the pectoral fin. He did a nice job and landed the fish quickly (perhaps even a more impressive fighting and landing job than if the fish were mouth-hooked)... Good work, Bob. Next thing I noticed, Joe was grabbing for the camera... "let's get a photo of this!"
I'm thinking whoa, whoa, whoa... get a photo of what, an accident? If you hit a buck with your car, do you jump out and mug for the camera then also? Let's call it like it is... Bob didn't catch that fish, Joe. He snagged that fish. It happens to everyone (good fly fishers less than bad ones)... but that doesn't count. Does it? And besides, that exhausted fish (more tired than if it were mouth-hooked) should be put in the water, now. Photographing a snagged, whipped, beat-up fish adds insult to injury.
Or maybe where the fish is hooked is just a technicality. What do you think?
Another thing... when I guide, I notice that when people foul hook a fish, 99% of them say something like, "I think I had him in the mouth to start with... or I think it rolled on the fly... blah, blah, blah." And I say, "Nah, you had it in the butt, pretty much right off the bat, Bob," because I think I do the angler more of a service to acknowledge the goof, learn from it, and move on... rather than rationalizing the gaffe. Foul hook-ups happen. So isn't honesty the best policy?
Deeter
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I see no reason why a quick picture cant be taken, as long as the fish is released.Difference between taking a picture with a foulhooked fish and a bumper kissed buck is that 90% of the time a foulhooked fish will survive if released properly.Also if you fish the same stretch of water in the future you may hook into that same fish again, and you can compare photos to see growth changes.
There's probably nothing quite like the disappointment of foul-hooking a big fish, especially if it's one you've been busting your butt to catch. My "first" permit was foul-hooked. Of course I didn't realize it until after 15 minutes of dancing around and burbling to myself. I took a picture and even considered "counting" it (I was young). Now the picture is just a reminder of what it was like when I cared about numbers, but I can still feel the twinge of disappointment of that catch.
It happens, to take a picture isn't bad unless you brag about a caught fish. I have gotten my share of fish, it just seems those flies love to ride the tippet over the fish and catch that pectoral when it tries to slip over the fish. In this case, the fish didn't make a move on your fly, it just got the wrong end of a rejected meal.
Don't do much fly fishing but I've not only taken pictures of foul hooked bass but I've weighed them in at tournaments (where legal). Fishing schooling bass with a crankbait will often land you a fish hooked between the eyes or under the gills. No shame in it. Now throwing a treble hook out at a bass you see on the bed and trying to snag it should earn someone a flogging.
I'd call out a friend who did that, but not a stranger. I watched a stranger do this on a foul hooked Lake Erie steelhead two weekends ago - after fighting it for a ridiculous amount of time and getting ZERO help from his friends landing the fish - and all I could do was roll my eyes. From overheard conversation I could tell he was new at fishing for those fish (which makes it all the more obnoxious that his friends didn't help), so it was probably a big deal for him.
To each their own, but given that photographs are the modern equivalent (for many fly fisherman) of a fish mount, I think it's silly to photograph a foul hooked fish. like you said - that isn't an accomplishment, it's an accident.
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Evan!
First let's call it what it is, a foul hook is just fancy for "snag". I would take a picture with a snagged fish given that it was not intentional. This summer a big cutthroat missed my fly but I thought he had it and i set the hook. Turns out that I snagged his dorsal fin I landed him snapped a picture and let him go.
Evan! Good point... Notice... I said "I'm thinking"... I didn't say anything and wonder if I should have.
Foul hooked in the pectoral fin? I wouldn't take a photo of it, unless it was so large that some DFG folks would like to see proof such a big fish exists in a fishery.
That being said, when I was starting out nymphing with droppers I was slow on the strike and the fish would be foul hooked with the dropper. Snapping a photo of this is acceptable - you presented the fly well enough to fool a trout, but were slow on the strike. Most of the time this foul hook is just outside the mouth though.
My foul hooked fish rarely leave the water. I just reach down and pull the hook out hoping no one notices my foul. Taking a picture of a foul hooked fish would only be a reminder of...well a foul hooked fish.
I foul hooked a large salmon in Michigan that the guide wanted a photo of more than anything. I granted his wish and held it out just for his website.
Deeter, Do you know what week it is?
This is the week I really miss Bo Schembechler (and John Cooper).
Take a picure & take it quickley. Do everybody a faver let it go quickley. Be honest let people knpw what happened when showing the picture. At the same time if the biggest trout you've ever landed. You deserve at least a picture. Again quickely. Beside a foul hooked fish has more leverage. So if you are fighting the fish & you are succesful in landing it. That in itself is an ART. But be HONEST with every body & let him go. QUICKLY!!!
I think it would be unethical to claim that he "caught" the fish, but taking a picture could simply be reverence for its size and beauty. I think a much bigger shame is everyone who fingers the gills of trout for pictures, ie, the most sensitive part of the animal. If I hit a 12 pt buck with my jeep, I will not only take a picture, I'll take the meat home and not let it go to waste.
Take a quick picture and let it go. I dont think the issue is taking the picture so much as what you do with the picture be honest and let everyone know it was a good fish but it was false hooked.
How does a guide educate their clients about their so-called "goof" (your words) when they foul-hook a fish by giving them the condescending rhetoric you shared in your blog? And what exactly is there to learn from a foul-hookup?
As for taking pictures, I doubt most anglers would want a photo. But for novices or other people who don't get many chances on the water, it might serve as a nice reminder of their trip. I'm certainly not going to judge their perspective of a photo.
Well, only if it has a sign on it saying he snagged it, lol. Well, do what you want, but don't keep it, let it swim away sop you can hook em next time. I wouldn't, but to each his own.
One of the F&S blogs had this topic not too long ago and I admitted that I had once done this. I foul hooked a sturgeon on the Delaware on a freezing day a year and a half ago. Having never in my life expected to catch such a thing I took a photo. I'm not bragging about foul hooking a fish, but it's a memory. No apologies. I was throwing a sabiki rig for herring to turn around for striper at the time. I was shocked. Regarding foul hooking as "snagging" is also a stretch to me. Foul hooking is unintentionally hooking a fish in an other than desirable or illegal fashion. Snagging is throwing something to be intentionally used as a grappling hook to pierce the body of an uninterested fish. We've all fouled a few fish, the majority of mine I believe took a swipe at a presentation and missed, and in the swirl caught an appendage or gill plate on something I wanted them to inhale. I can honestly say I've never kept such a fish, but if it was a species first for me or of a size that seemed remarkable and conditions weren't unfavorable for it's survival, yeah, I might snap another picture. I'd then be forthcoming about what happened.
Maybe you should contact the Fish and Game department of the state you were fishing and maybe they could add this to the growing list of fishing regulations.
Maybe you guys have more experience with wildlife encounters than I do. I consider any encounter something to be treasured. Hit deer, foul hooked fish, or a previously wounded ringneck being able to get close up to a magnificent animal should be enjoyed. I would take the pic. I'd also be honest about the encounter....well I might embelish a little bit it is fishing after all.
I don't see why not,it's harder or less likely to snag fish,but it doesn't seem fair.If it's hooked in the head,I'll give it a pass and say he hit it.
Snap a pic and let it go, just don't kid yourself. Almost any fish, fair or foul hooked, is a thing of beauty, so I can understand the desire to get a picture. Like I said, don't kid yourself on how you got that photo.
Kirk, how did those Wolverines miss out on the coaching talent that was right in their backyard up at Mt. Pleasant?? Man, am I glad they did........Brian Kelly is the MAN. Now, if we can just keep the Golden Domer's grubby mitts off of him.....
Buckhunter......you guys ready for a home and home with my Bearcats????
I'm with the 'photo the fish' crowd. However, I believe there should be a "*" beside it's shot. We really have no control of a fish swimming past our offering. And to say it happens less to good anglers... how do you figure. We have no control! I'm all for honesty in fishing, but... what about those great fish stories. Let everyone know you had a great fight, a beautiful fish, but the punch line is... it was foul hooked so I kissed it and set it fee.
The angler fish,the guide guides and the camera man took the photos... Ethical minds will change the rules.
If it happens, it happens. Only if its a very colorful or large fish would I photograph it.
don't take a photo of a fish you snagged with a fly, you should break off the fish as soon as you see it's foul hooked.
nope, now way no how. here in wisconsin it's illegal to catch fish in that manner any ways and could get you in a bit of trouble if you go around showing it off.
its one thing to snag it intentionally and to accidentally foul hook it. sometimes it happens and you can take a picture if you want but dont make excuses
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I see no reason why a quick picture cant be taken, as long as the fish is released.Difference between taking a picture with a foulhooked fish and a bumper kissed buck is that 90% of the time a foulhooked fish will survive if released properly.Also if you fish the same stretch of water in the future you may hook into that same fish again, and you can compare photos to see growth changes.
It happens, to take a picture isn't bad unless you brag about a caught fish. I have gotten my share of fish, it just seems those flies love to ride the tippet over the fish and catch that pectoral when it tries to slip over the fish. In this case, the fish didn't make a move on your fly, it just got the wrong end of a rejected meal.
There's probably nothing quite like the disappointment of foul-hooking a big fish, especially if it's one you've been busting your butt to catch. My "first" permit was foul-hooked. Of course I didn't realize it until after 15 minutes of dancing around and burbling to myself. I took a picture and even considered "counting" it (I was young). Now the picture is just a reminder of what it was like when I cared about numbers, but I can still feel the twinge of disappointment of that catch.
Take a picure & take it quickley. Do everybody a faver let it go quickley. Be honest let people knpw what happened when showing the picture. At the same time if the biggest trout you've ever landed. You deserve at least a picture. Again quickely. Beside a foul hooked fish has more leverage. So if you are fighting the fish & you are succesful in landing it. That in itself is an ART. But be HONEST with every body & let him go. QUICKLY!!!
One of the F&S blogs had this topic not too long ago and I admitted that I had once done this. I foul hooked a sturgeon on the Delaware on a freezing day a year and a half ago. Having never in my life expected to catch such a thing I took a photo. I'm not bragging about foul hooking a fish, but it's a memory. No apologies. I was throwing a sabiki rig for herring to turn around for striper at the time. I was shocked. Regarding foul hooking as "snagging" is also a stretch to me. Foul hooking is unintentionally hooking a fish in an other than desirable or illegal fashion. Snagging is throwing something to be intentionally used as a grappling hook to pierce the body of an uninterested fish. We've all fouled a few fish, the majority of mine I believe took a swipe at a presentation and missed, and in the swirl caught an appendage or gill plate on something I wanted them to inhale. I can honestly say I've never kept such a fish, but if it was a species first for me or of a size that seemed remarkable and conditions weren't unfavorable for it's survival, yeah, I might snap another picture. I'd then be forthcoming about what happened.
Don't do much fly fishing but I've not only taken pictures of foul hooked bass but I've weighed them in at tournaments (where legal). Fishing schooling bass with a crankbait will often land you a fish hooked between the eyes or under the gills. No shame in it. Now throwing a treble hook out at a bass you see on the bed and trying to snag it should earn someone a flogging.
I'd call out a friend who did that, but not a stranger. I watched a stranger do this on a foul hooked Lake Erie steelhead two weekends ago - after fighting it for a ridiculous amount of time and getting ZERO help from his friends landing the fish - and all I could do was roll my eyes. From overheard conversation I could tell he was new at fishing for those fish (which makes it all the more obnoxious that his friends didn't help), so it was probably a big deal for him.
To each their own, but given that photographs are the modern equivalent (for many fly fisherman) of a fish mount, I think it's silly to photograph a foul hooked fish. like you said - that isn't an accomplishment, it's an accident.
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Evan!
My foul hooked fish rarely leave the water. I just reach down and pull the hook out hoping no one notices my foul. Taking a picture of a foul hooked fish would only be a reminder of...well a foul hooked fish.
I foul hooked a large salmon in Michigan that the guide wanted a photo of more than anything. I granted his wish and held it out just for his website.
Deeter, Do you know what week it is?
This is the week I really miss Bo Schembechler (and John Cooper).
Maybe you should contact the Fish and Game department of the state you were fishing and maybe they could add this to the growing list of fishing regulations.
Maybe you guys have more experience with wildlife encounters than I do. I consider any encounter something to be treasured. Hit deer, foul hooked fish, or a previously wounded ringneck being able to get close up to a magnificent animal should be enjoyed. I would take the pic. I'd also be honest about the encounter....well I might embelish a little bit it is fishing after all.
I don't see why not,it's harder or less likely to snag fish,but it doesn't seem fair.If it's hooked in the head,I'll give it a pass and say he hit it.
First let's call it what it is, a foul hook is just fancy for "snag". I would take a picture with a snagged fish given that it was not intentional. This summer a big cutthroat missed my fly but I thought he had it and i set the hook. Turns out that I snagged his dorsal fin I landed him snapped a picture and let him go.
Evan! Good point... Notice... I said "I'm thinking"... I didn't say anything and wonder if I should have.
Foul hooked in the pectoral fin? I wouldn't take a photo of it, unless it was so large that some DFG folks would like to see proof such a big fish exists in a fishery.
That being said, when I was starting out nymphing with droppers I was slow on the strike and the fish would be foul hooked with the dropper. Snapping a photo of this is acceptable - you presented the fly well enough to fool a trout, but were slow on the strike. Most of the time this foul hook is just outside the mouth though.
I think it would be unethical to claim that he "caught" the fish, but taking a picture could simply be reverence for its size and beauty. I think a much bigger shame is everyone who fingers the gills of trout for pictures, ie, the most sensitive part of the animal. If I hit a 12 pt buck with my jeep, I will not only take a picture, I'll take the meat home and not let it go to waste.
Take a quick picture and let it go. I dont think the issue is taking the picture so much as what you do with the picture be honest and let everyone know it was a good fish but it was false hooked.
Well, only if it has a sign on it saying he snagged it, lol. Well, do what you want, but don't keep it, let it swim away sop you can hook em next time. I wouldn't, but to each his own.
How does a guide educate their clients about their so-called "goof" (your words) when they foul-hook a fish by giving them the condescending rhetoric you shared in your blog? And what exactly is there to learn from a foul-hookup?
As for taking pictures, I doubt most anglers would want a photo. But for novices or other people who don't get many chances on the water, it might serve as a nice reminder of their trip. I'm certainly not going to judge their perspective of a photo.
Snap a pic and let it go, just don't kid yourself. Almost any fish, fair or foul hooked, is a thing of beauty, so I can understand the desire to get a picture. Like I said, don't kid yourself on how you got that photo.
Kirk, how did those Wolverines miss out on the coaching talent that was right in their backyard up at Mt. Pleasant?? Man, am I glad they did........Brian Kelly is the MAN. Now, if we can just keep the Golden Domer's grubby mitts off of him.....
Buckhunter......you guys ready for a home and home with my Bearcats????
I'm with the 'photo the fish' crowd. However, I believe there should be a "*" beside it's shot. We really have no control of a fish swimming past our offering. And to say it happens less to good anglers... how do you figure. We have no control! I'm all for honesty in fishing, but... what about those great fish stories. Let everyone know you had a great fight, a beautiful fish, but the punch line is... it was foul hooked so I kissed it and set it fee.
The angler fish,the guide guides and the camera man took the photos... Ethical minds will change the rules.
If it happens, it happens. Only if its a very colorful or large fish would I photograph it.
nope, now way no how. here in wisconsin it's illegal to catch fish in that manner any ways and could get you in a bit of trouble if you go around showing it off.
its one thing to snag it intentionally and to accidentally foul hook it. sometimes it happens and you can take a picture if you want but dont make excuses
don't take a photo of a fish you snagged with a fly, you should break off the fish as soon as you see it's foul hooked.
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