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November 05, 2009

You Pick, Wild or Hatchery steelhead?

By Tim Romano

Our friends over at Moldychum.com have launched a non-scientific yet intriguing poll they plan to hand over to the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife in conjunction with TU. 

“We’d like to demonstrate to the state just how important wild fish are to those of us who spend time chasing these magnificent fish,” said Eric Rathbun, chief editor of Moldy Chum and founder of Reel Pure Inc. “I can’t speak for everyone who fly fishes for steelhead, but catching a wild fish is a unique experience, and one that I certainly prefer.”

Personally, I agree with Rathbun, although I'll catch hatchery plants of any species if forced to. Especially ones dropped from airplanes...  I will say that wild fish no matter the size or location seem to...

...outperform their lab created cousins. Data, over and over has shown that hatchery fish in rivers will almost always corrupt the gene pool and can eventually ruin a watershed.

I know my answer. What's yours?

The three-question poll is live at www.moldychum.com/surveys, and it will remain live for about a month. 

Although I'm pretty sure that the Moldy Poll will be biased in the favor of wild fish based on their readership, I am, nevertheless intrigued by what they find.

TR

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from jcarlin wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Could you elaborate on how they ruin the gene pool? I assume that we're talking about watersheds where the natives are already overstressed and pressured or else there would be no stocking. However it actually occurs, it seems counterintuitive to me that the hatcheries would use a different strain of fish, regardless of the method of recruitment.

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from ejunk wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I'd rather catch wild fish, but in the case of steelhead, being an east coaster... I have to catch hatchery fish or catch nothing because ours are EXTINCT. it's sad and wild fish are nicer, but I love those feral hatchery fish just the same.

also, god bless moldy chum.

yrs-
Evan!

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from Ramcatt wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Hatchery fish will never make up for wild fish. Imprimtable years in concrete raceways are not the same as fending in the wild. Hatchery fish should be harvested and blocked from native spawning areas. Their genetics lack the survival attributes of a wild steelhead. the idea of wild smolts falling victim to the idea of survival of the fittest eliminates weak genes from the pool. This doesn't happen with hatchery fish

Steelhead never existed in the GLs... so they could never go "extinct".

here are my thoughts on the hatchery mutants of the GLs... it is like amusement park fishing. The sole reason the fish exist is for $$$. The vast majority of waters cannot support natural repro, so they are dumped in by the millions. The experience NONE of the hardships and genetic strengthening of real steelhead. No pushing of 100s of miles and their only predators are trebble ripping rednecks. The worst part about Great Lakes Steelbows is the incestual hatchey practices. There is no bio diversity per watershed... rather it is done per state, if ANY at all.

it is a glorified sportsman's' show trout pond

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from ejunk wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

well, I guess you put me in MY place, Ramcatt. how very helpful of you!

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from Ramcatt wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

dude, i wasn't trying to dig on you...

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I don't think Great Lakes fishing is all that bad. Regardless of the gene pool it's all we got and it serves it's purpose. It's enjoyed by thousands each year. So before you turn your nose up into the air maybe take a moment to think about.

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from babsfish4life wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

All the hatchery steelhead is my state of Idaho have just as hard of a time as native steelhead as far as I can see. But they actually go hundreds of miles to the ocean and back, different than great lakes steelhead. I would prefer being able to catch steelhead if that requires stocking.

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from coho310 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Wild,all the way,this is also true with salmon and trout,but the wild counterparts just fight better! The wild fish grow up chasing insects and smaller fish,whereas the hatchery fish grow up sucking pellets off the surface.Its obvious what I choose!Steelies and salmon are the most fun fish I ever caught trolling and at least salmon taste better wild,I don't know about steelhead,you can't keep 'em where I live unless they're farmed!

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from bigjake wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Ejunk, where are you in the east? I fish for wild steelhead every spring here in New Brunswick, CA.

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from Alex Pernice th... wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Wild of course! But wild doesn't exist in lake Michigan. Finally a question for me, I love steelhead fishing.

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

In Ohio they stock "jacks" in the tribs and after a couple years of living in the lake they are very nice catchable fish.

These are not exactly your pellethead variety of fish they stock in campgrounds.

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from timromano wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

buckhunter,

yeah, there is that fine line when a stocker "goes wild". It's like the aerial stocking thing. Most of the lakes I fish here in Colorado were stocked years ago to begin with and have pretty nice populations of what I consider almost "wild" fish...

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from Walt Smith wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Why? Do they taste different or is it some kind of purist thing your talking about?

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from ranger2 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I am not one that has caught a heck of a lot of steelies, but I have landed both hatchery and wild. I have a little more affection for wild fish because they are part of an original ecosystem, a continuation of an unadulterated past that has become a distant has-been for people in the current generations. It is part of the herritage of our land, and I appreciate honoring and remembering what the land has to offer.
I am no snob though, and I would be happy to catch ANY steelhead...they both fight well and eat good!

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from jamesti wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

i would prefer all fish to be wild, which would mean we are preserving our recources. not always possible i guess. mr. romano: if you want to go fishing give me a call or drop a line. CO is teeming!

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from Justin D wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I think its because the hatchery fish take more time swiming up river than native fish! Alot of times they put tracking devises in some of the fish! you can go online and track these fish where they swam and how long it took them! I fish in a spawning area of the river where we catch Hatchery and Native fish. The Native fish dont hang around much. And hatchery fish you might catch the same fish a couple times in one day. On tast. it usually depends where you fish. I fish most of the time in idaho where these fish have a long time to travel and there meat turns more of white color. If you catch these fish early on maybe in the columbia river they are frest and the meat is pink like a salmon almost. I think its where you Fish! The Hatchery fish can fight just as much as a Native fish. We get a bunch of B run fish that Fight like salmon!

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from Justin D wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Non-sientific. anough said!

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from muskiemaster wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I voted wild, although I understand that to make fishing fun for the people who feel the need to catch fish the state fish hatcheries feel it necessary to stock them. In truth there aren't many lakes left that don't get stocked with something in one way or another.

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from Johnnyras1624 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

This is the biggest no brainer ever, but if you're hungry i guess you would go with hatchery. Thats about the only reason I would rather catch a hatchery fish. The wild steelhead is hands down for me the best fighting fish found on this planet.

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from elkhunt79 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I really don't see how hatchery fish hurt the gene pool. Also once a hatchery fish spawns in the wild there offspring are wild fish. Unless someone can tell me they can identify the diffrence.

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from elkhunt79 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

If it was not for hatchery fish here in Idaho we would not have a chance for catching this great species of fish so i'am all for hatchery fish.

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from elkhunt79 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Ramcatt can you tell me that there is differnce after a wild steelhead spawns with a hatchery fish in the wild because in my book the offspring of those two fish are wild steelhead.Here in Idaho we are proud of steelhead native or hatchery.

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from jamesti wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

if people were conserving resourses like they were supposed to instead of handing out a slap on the wrist for those who vioate the law, this wouldn't even be a discussion. fish and game wardens take risks just like the cops do. don't insult them with a 50 dollar fine when they catch someone violating the law.

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from Big Mike wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

This is a much different issue with steelhead than with trout. Wild steelhead are in serious trouble and hatchery fish are a major part of the problem. While its a ton of fun to catch any steelie, wild fish are a truly amazing and inspiring fish to do battle with. The stockers in the great lakes are doing fine, but the Pacific Northwest is not the place for any non wild steelhead.

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from Ramcatt wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

@ elkhunter

it has to do with native fish with untampered genetics... strong gene pools that produce hard fighting fish that weren't raised with characteristics of hugging bottoms of concrete raceways waiting for cups of dogfood. It takes away the idea of "only the strong survive"

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from Devil_Dog wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Just curious as to what data shows that hatchery fish dilute wild population gene pools? It's definitely possible, but if hatchery fish are so inferior then they're unlike to breed. Which would make any negative impact of theirs solely the function of direct competition and not genetic dilution.

But if a stocked fish survives predators, winters, high/ low waters, food shortages, and treble tossing rednecks long enough to effectively reproduce then where is his/her percieved weakness? Survival of the most fit means just that, not survival of what you think should be most fit.

I'm happy to catch whatever fish is out there, native or introduced member of same species. If we're going for preservation of a native population then by all means use good science and effective regulations to protect it. But lets be sure that those regulations exist for reasons born of conservation and not to feed ego or human ideals.

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from Justin D wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Hey jamesti, I do agree that fish and game do risk there lives every time they patrol! I know for a fact that its more than a slap on the wrist. More than 50 $ fine too. I am in law enforcement, and i do see court dispo's on what people get for sentencing, and fines! I think it depends on which county your in. and the judge! I know the judge in my county is right to the book and then some! which is great. It cracks me up to hear about things in other states. But The Hatchery fish of Idaho are doing well and the Native Fish too! I catch about 4 to 5 Native fist to 1 hatchery fish! I think thats pretty good numbers!

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from steelheader wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Hey Bigjake I love the New Brunswick area as well! Can't wait till next Spring!

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from bigjake wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Ejunk, where are you in the east? I fish for wild steelhead every spring here in New Brunswick, CA.

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from jcarlin wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Could you elaborate on how they ruin the gene pool? I assume that we're talking about watersheds where the natives are already overstressed and pressured or else there would be no stocking. However it actually occurs, it seems counterintuitive to me that the hatcheries would use a different strain of fish, regardless of the method of recruitment.

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from Ramcatt wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Hatchery fish will never make up for wild fish. Imprimtable years in concrete raceways are not the same as fending in the wild. Hatchery fish should be harvested and blocked from native spawning areas. Their genetics lack the survival attributes of a wild steelhead. the idea of wild smolts falling victim to the idea of survival of the fittest eliminates weak genes from the pool. This doesn't happen with hatchery fish

Steelhead never existed in the GLs... so they could never go "extinct".

here are my thoughts on the hatchery mutants of the GLs... it is like amusement park fishing. The sole reason the fish exist is for $$$. The vast majority of waters cannot support natural repro, so they are dumped in by the millions. The experience NONE of the hardships and genetic strengthening of real steelhead. No pushing of 100s of miles and their only predators are trebble ripping rednecks. The worst part about Great Lakes Steelbows is the incestual hatchey practices. There is no bio diversity per watershed... rather it is done per state, if ANY at all.

it is a glorified sportsman's' show trout pond

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from babsfish4life wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

All the hatchery steelhead is my state of Idaho have just as hard of a time as native steelhead as far as I can see. But they actually go hundreds of miles to the ocean and back, different than great lakes steelhead. I would prefer being able to catch steelhead if that requires stocking.

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from timromano wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

buckhunter,

yeah, there is that fine line when a stocker "goes wild". It's like the aerial stocking thing. Most of the lakes I fish here in Colorado were stocked years ago to begin with and have pretty nice populations of what I consider almost "wild" fish...

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from jamesti wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

i would prefer all fish to be wild, which would mean we are preserving our recources. not always possible i guess. mr. romano: if you want to go fishing give me a call or drop a line. CO is teeming!

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from Ramcatt wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

dude, i wasn't trying to dig on you...

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I don't think Great Lakes fishing is all that bad. Regardless of the gene pool it's all we got and it serves it's purpose. It's enjoyed by thousands each year. So before you turn your nose up into the air maybe take a moment to think about.

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from coho310 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Wild,all the way,this is also true with salmon and trout,but the wild counterparts just fight better! The wild fish grow up chasing insects and smaller fish,whereas the hatchery fish grow up sucking pellets off the surface.Its obvious what I choose!Steelies and salmon are the most fun fish I ever caught trolling and at least salmon taste better wild,I don't know about steelhead,you can't keep 'em where I live unless they're farmed!

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from Alex Pernice th... wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Wild of course! But wild doesn't exist in lake Michigan. Finally a question for me, I love steelhead fishing.

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

In Ohio they stock "jacks" in the tribs and after a couple years of living in the lake they are very nice catchable fish.

These are not exactly your pellethead variety of fish they stock in campgrounds.

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from Walt Smith wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Why? Do they taste different or is it some kind of purist thing your talking about?

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from ranger2 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I am not one that has caught a heck of a lot of steelies, but I have landed both hatchery and wild. I have a little more affection for wild fish because they are part of an original ecosystem, a continuation of an unadulterated past that has become a distant has-been for people in the current generations. It is part of the herritage of our land, and I appreciate honoring and remembering what the land has to offer.
I am no snob though, and I would be happy to catch ANY steelhead...they both fight well and eat good!

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Justin D wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I think its because the hatchery fish take more time swiming up river than native fish! Alot of times they put tracking devises in some of the fish! you can go online and track these fish where they swam and how long it took them! I fish in a spawning area of the river where we catch Hatchery and Native fish. The Native fish dont hang around much. And hatchery fish you might catch the same fish a couple times in one day. On tast. it usually depends where you fish. I fish most of the time in idaho where these fish have a long time to travel and there meat turns more of white color. If you catch these fish early on maybe in the columbia river they are frest and the meat is pink like a salmon almost. I think its where you Fish! The Hatchery fish can fight just as much as a Native fish. We get a bunch of B run fish that Fight like salmon!

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from Justin D wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Non-sientific. anough said!

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from muskiemaster wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I voted wild, although I understand that to make fishing fun for the people who feel the need to catch fish the state fish hatcheries feel it necessary to stock them. In truth there aren't many lakes left that don't get stocked with something in one way or another.

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from elkhunt79 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I really don't see how hatchery fish hurt the gene pool. Also once a hatchery fish spawns in the wild there offspring are wild fish. Unless someone can tell me they can identify the diffrence.

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from elkhunt79 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

If it was not for hatchery fish here in Idaho we would not have a chance for catching this great species of fish so i'am all for hatchery fish.

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from elkhunt79 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Ramcatt can you tell me that there is differnce after a wild steelhead spawns with a hatchery fish in the wild because in my book the offspring of those two fish are wild steelhead.Here in Idaho we are proud of steelhead native or hatchery.

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from jamesti wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

if people were conserving resourses like they were supposed to instead of handing out a slap on the wrist for those who vioate the law, this wouldn't even be a discussion. fish and game wardens take risks just like the cops do. don't insult them with a 50 dollar fine when they catch someone violating the law.

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from steelheader wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

Hey Bigjake I love the New Brunswick area as well! Can't wait till next Spring!

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from ejunk wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

I'd rather catch wild fish, but in the case of steelhead, being an east coaster... I have to catch hatchery fish or catch nothing because ours are EXTINCT. it's sad and wild fish are nicer, but I love those feral hatchery fish just the same.

also, god bless moldy chum.

yrs-
Evan!

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from ejunk wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

well, I guess you put me in MY place, Ramcatt. how very helpful of you!

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from Johnnyras1624 wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

This is the biggest no brainer ever, but if you're hungry i guess you would go with hatchery. Thats about the only reason I would rather catch a hatchery fish. The wild steelhead is hands down for me the best fighting fish found on this planet.

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from Big Mike wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

This is a much different issue with steelhead than with trout. Wild steelhead are in serious trouble and hatchery fish are a major part of the problem. While its a ton of fun to catch any steelie, wild fish are a truly amazing and inspiring fish to do battle with. The stockers in the great lakes are doing fine, but the Pacific Northwest is not the place for any non wild steelhead.

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from Ramcatt wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

@ elkhunter

it has to do with native fish with untampered genetics... strong gene pools that produce hard fighting fish that weren't raised with characteristics of hugging bottoms of concrete raceways waiting for cups of dogfood. It takes away the idea of "only the strong survive"

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Devil_Dog wrote 2 years 13 weeks ago

Just curious as to what data shows that hatchery fish dilute wild population gene pools? It's definitely possible, but if hatchery fish are so inferior then they're unlike to breed. Which would make any negative impact of theirs solely the function of direct competition and not genetic dilution.

But if a stocked fish survives predators, winters, high/ low waters, food shortages, and treble tossing rednecks long enough to effectively reproduce then where is his/her percieved weakness? Survival of the most fit means just that, not survival of what you think should be most fit.

I'm happy to catch whatever fish is out there, native or introduced member of same species. If we're going for preservation of a native population then by all means use good science and effective regulations to protect it. But lets be sure that those regulations exist for reasons born of conservation and not to feed ego or human ideals.

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from Justin D wrote 2 years 12 weeks ago

Hey jamesti, I do agree that fish and game do risk there lives every time they patrol! I know for a fact that its more than a slap on the wrist. More than 50 $ fine too. I am in law enforcement, and i do see court dispo's on what people get for sentencing, and fines! I think it depends on which county your in. and the judge! I know the judge in my county is right to the book and then some! which is great. It cracks me up to hear about things in other states. But The Hatchery fish of Idaho are doing well and the Native Fish too! I catch about 4 to 5 Native fist to 1 hatchery fish! I think thats pretty good numbers!

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