


December 02, 2009
World Record Bonefish Pending IGFA Status
By Tim Romano

I came across this blog post over on montanaflyfishingguides.com and while the dates don't seem to jive with when it was written I thought I'd revisit this question that we've posed a couple of times here on flytalk.
The blog sates that, "Our good friend Captain Ted Christie of the Florida Keys and angler Michael Swerdlow of Islamorada caught a pending world record bonefish on fly November 27, 2008. (I'm still not sure if he meant to say 2009) Michael’s bonefish weighed 15 pounds, 6 ounces and was on 16 pound tippet. Michael is an dedicated angler spending countless days looking for these monster ghosts of the flats."
The previous IGFA men’s record was 14 pounds, 12 ounces on November 2001 also at Islamorada.
It would appear that the angler and captain either...
...killed the fish for the record books or it died after the ensuing fight. The back story says nothing about if the fish was alive or dead. Either way this is a tremendous catch and excellent fish. But...
Curious how you all feel about record keeping and killing animals just for a record? I do kill fish to eat them, but that's it. I'm sure most people with big game mounts on their walls also ate the animals.
I can't say I've ever had a potential world record in my hands, but I still can't imagine bonking it over the head just to get my name in some book. How about you?
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I like catching big fish and love to see what is actually out there. I couldn't care less about having my name on the record books, though some rationalize, saying that the fish deserves it. If I caught an obvious record I have no idea what I would actually do.
If my guide insisted on keeping the fish? Probably agree to take it in, alive, if at all possible. But do you remember that scene in Dirty Old Men where Ann Margaret releases that giant walleye while Walter Matthau freaks out? That would be priceless.
I'd keep a fish like that for the record book. If released, that fish is not going to the old fishes' home. Instead, it will wind up a meal for something at some point. I'm all for catch and release if you don't plan to eat the fish, but releasing a potential record is just a symbolic gesture. Whatever gets you through the night . . .
I mean, it sounds plausible. But if it really was caught in 2008 and the IGFA hasn't approved it then it's probably sketchy...
Although I'm not a fan of killing fish for records, I can understand. It's one fish, and as a record fish, it has obviously had plenty of time to get its great genetics out there. On the other hand, who are we to kill something for no reason other than bragging rights and a place in a big book?
When I tied or possibly beat the OH bluegill record (measured equal, never weighed though), I just put her back. I have no regrets.
I can't justify killing a fish to get my name in the books. If it was a record fish and it didn't make it, then sure, but otherwise healthy fish I don't intend on eating go back after a grip'n'grin.
Alaska has a Catch and Release Trophy program. Here's a link to the State website:
http://www.sf.adfg.state.ak.us/Trophy/index.cfm/FA/certificates.release
I think it's the best of both worlds, you can be proud of your fish on two levels - he was a biggun and you let him go to fight another day.
More states should adopt similar programs.
Not for me, but if that's what you need to measure your "manliness" then go for it. A few years ago I caught an accidental flounder on fly that was about the size of a toilet seat. I bonked him on the head, but not for the record. I have a serious weakness for broiled flounder with crab/shrimp stuffing.
Measure & Weigh him. Get some pictures. Let him go. Have a mount made from measurements & pictures. A fish like that deserved to be caught again.
I know all three of the guys in this photo, i was their. These are two of the best Guides in Florida and one of the best fisherman is have ever had the pleasure to meet and guide ( i am a guide in Wyoming ). The dates are correct, and the fish did die after the fight, but, was honored by being mounted real, not plastic. This fish will be honored and appreciated for the rest of time in Mr. Swerdlows home. I was honored to be their and see and know all three of the great people. The bonefish weight is 15 lb. 8 oz. CONGRATULATIONS !!!
DON WACKERMAN
what's the difference if you kill the fish to eat or for the record... It's still dead. If we could rely on the honesty of the claimant I'd prefer not killing anything for a record. But honesty is not one of humanities strongest ethics. when I fish a tournament the catch must be verified by two other fisherman. Why not just do it that way: verification, signatures and photo's with a measuring board kept on each boat or a certification tape measure. I'm not into records so my take is not ego driven, but if one must see ones name in a book.... than you might have to do the dead deed.
If you are not going to eat it throw it back. Take a picture and some measurements and set it free to grow and fight another angler.
I still don't understand the moral high ground that comes with eating a wild animal. Why is it more acceptable to kill a trophy animal and eat it than to kill one and hang it on your wall? As other readers have pointed out, it's still dead in the end.
I like and abide by the ideals of fly fishing, including catch and release. However, how much bigger does anyone think this bone will get before it becomes shark food? I am no expert, but imagine this fish is much closer to the end of its life-cycle than the beginning. Perhaps there is a better, more technological, way to register records that would involve not killing the fish? That is where we need progress - in the record registration process. The imitation mounts aren't super realistic yet either. texasflycaster
A fish like this passes good Genetic Genes every time it spawns.
Hey fellas,
You have a witness here that the fish died. Also, a reference to the character of all the anglers. If these guys do this all the time. How many big toads do you think they HAVE released over the years? Because I do know alot of guides and fly anglers in that area, I tend to believe that if the fish hadn't died, they would have released it. I do have an opinion about killing for records though. My pop and I released 5 potential world record Rooster fish off Baja a few years ago. Our guide was the current record holder in that line class. When the guide asked my dad if he wanted to enter a 50+ as a record on 10# test and told him we would have to kill it, to my total amazement, the old man said "let her go". "That's to beautiful a creature to kill for a piece of paper to hang on your wall!"he said. After releasing the beast we hooked and landed 4 more over 50(2 each). It was my best day of Rooster fishing in 20 years with over 30 landed (23 on fly). The best day for the guide to date, too. The best part was watching the big fish swim away into the Pacific to get bigger! We saw fish in the 90 to 100lb range that day.
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I know all three of the guys in this photo, i was their. These are two of the best Guides in Florida and one of the best fisherman is have ever had the pleasure to meet and guide ( i am a guide in Wyoming ). The dates are correct, and the fish did die after the fight, but, was honored by being mounted real, not plastic. This fish will be honored and appreciated for the rest of time in Mr. Swerdlows home. I was honored to be their and see and know all three of the great people. The bonefish weight is 15 lb. 8 oz. CONGRATULATIONS !!!
DON WACKERMAN
what's the difference if you kill the fish to eat or for the record... It's still dead. If we could rely on the honesty of the claimant I'd prefer not killing anything for a record. But honesty is not one of humanities strongest ethics. when I fish a tournament the catch must be verified by two other fisherman. Why not just do it that way: verification, signatures and photo's with a measuring board kept on each boat or a certification tape measure. I'm not into records so my take is not ego driven, but if one must see ones name in a book.... than you might have to do the dead deed.
Alaska has a Catch and Release Trophy program. Here's a link to the State website:
http://www.sf.adfg.state.ak.us/Trophy/index.cfm/FA/certificates.release
I think it's the best of both worlds, you can be proud of your fish on two levels - he was a biggun and you let him go to fight another day.
More states should adopt similar programs.
I like catching big fish and love to see what is actually out there. I couldn't care less about having my name on the record books, though some rationalize, saying that the fish deserves it. If I caught an obvious record I have no idea what I would actually do.
If my guide insisted on keeping the fish? Probably agree to take it in, alive, if at all possible. But do you remember that scene in Dirty Old Men where Ann Margaret releases that giant walleye while Walter Matthau freaks out? That would be priceless.
I'd keep a fish like that for the record book. If released, that fish is not going to the old fishes' home. Instead, it will wind up a meal for something at some point. I'm all for catch and release if you don't plan to eat the fish, but releasing a potential record is just a symbolic gesture. Whatever gets you through the night . . .
I mean, it sounds plausible. But if it really was caught in 2008 and the IGFA hasn't approved it then it's probably sketchy...
Although I'm not a fan of killing fish for records, I can understand. It's one fish, and as a record fish, it has obviously had plenty of time to get its great genetics out there. On the other hand, who are we to kill something for no reason other than bragging rights and a place in a big book?
When I tied or possibly beat the OH bluegill record (measured equal, never weighed though), I just put her back. I have no regrets.
I can't justify killing a fish to get my name in the books. If it was a record fish and it didn't make it, then sure, but otherwise healthy fish I don't intend on eating go back after a grip'n'grin.
Not for me, but if that's what you need to measure your "manliness" then go for it. A few years ago I caught an accidental flounder on fly that was about the size of a toilet seat. I bonked him on the head, but not for the record. I have a serious weakness for broiled flounder with crab/shrimp stuffing.
Measure & Weigh him. Get some pictures. Let him go. Have a mount made from measurements & pictures. A fish like that deserved to be caught again.
If you are not going to eat it throw it back. Take a picture and some measurements and set it free to grow and fight another angler.
I like and abide by the ideals of fly fishing, including catch and release. However, how much bigger does anyone think this bone will get before it becomes shark food? I am no expert, but imagine this fish is much closer to the end of its life-cycle than the beginning. Perhaps there is a better, more technological, way to register records that would involve not killing the fish? That is where we need progress - in the record registration process. The imitation mounts aren't super realistic yet either. texasflycaster
I still don't understand the moral high ground that comes with eating a wild animal. Why is it more acceptable to kill a trophy animal and eat it than to kill one and hang it on your wall? As other readers have pointed out, it's still dead in the end.
A fish like this passes good Genetic Genes every time it spawns.
Hey fellas,
You have a witness here that the fish died. Also, a reference to the character of all the anglers. If these guys do this all the time. How many big toads do you think they HAVE released over the years? Because I do know alot of guides and fly anglers in that area, I tend to believe that if the fish hadn't died, they would have released it. I do have an opinion about killing for records though. My pop and I released 5 potential world record Rooster fish off Baja a few years ago. Our guide was the current record holder in that line class. When the guide asked my dad if he wanted to enter a 50+ as a record on 10# test and told him we would have to kill it, to my total amazement, the old man said "let her go". "That's to beautiful a creature to kill for a piece of paper to hang on your wall!"he said. After releasing the beast we hooked and landed 4 more over 50(2 each). It was my best day of Rooster fishing in 20 years with over 30 landed (23 on fly). The best day for the guide to date, too. The best part was watching the big fish swim away into the Pacific to get bigger! We saw fish in the 90 to 100lb range that day.
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