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February 28, 2012

Disco Flies: Are Fluorescent Accents the Next Big Thing?

By Kirk Deeter

I ran into my pal Steve Parrott, co-owner of the Blue Quill Angler in Evergreen, Colorado, the other day at the Bass Pro Shops Spring Fishing Classic. We struck up an interesting conversation about the use of "hot spots" or "trigger points" on fly patterns.

Basically, by adding fluorescent material accents in key places like the collar or tail of a beadhead nymph fly, you create these "hot spots" or "trigger points" that trout may indeed see better, and theoretically react to more favorably. These two photos show Steve's fly box in natural light, and then again in ultraviolet light, which simulates deeper water conditions. Those "hot spots" make you notice, don't they?

The point in all of this is trying to make a closer connection between what you, the angler sees, and what a fish really sees. Sometimes, we anglers get too wrapped up in what a fly looks like in our hand above the water, and not enough thought is given to what it really looks like below the water. I can tell you, having spent a lot of time scuba diving in rivers, lakes and oceans, that colors change dramatically as natural light penetration through the water diminishes.

For example, that hot pink San Juan worm doesn't look all that hot 10 feet below the lake surface (it looks gray), especially when there's a lot of particulate matter suspended in the water. The less light penetration, the more you lose the reds, and the better you see yellows, for example. And blues maintain a solid silhouette.

I would assume this factor would have to have an influence on fish as well, wouldn't it? We know through science that fish do indeed see colors. They also already give us other hints as to why perceptiveness matters. It' no coincidence (in a slap your forehead kind of way) that those chartreuse, orange, and yellow pike baits would work well in the more tannic, stained waters where pike typically live. We know that purples and blues work great.

Have you ever seen anything natural that looks anything like a purple Prince nymph? No, of course not. But the way that color acts in the light environment of a river is its real appeal. Steve theorizes that those fluorescent red accents work well in shallow clear water, and lose effect with depth. He's written about all this on his website, which you can check out here.

I'm intrigued enough to want to check this out in more detail, do some research, and maybe write about it in the magazine. The thought that bait colors vary in importance according to water conditions is certainly nothing new (ask a bass angler when to use green pumpkin versus junebug on a soft plastic if you want to open that, um, can of worms). But the notion of changing those colors based on light penetration through water, and specifically the use of fluorescent accents to make flies "pop" could add a whole new layer to the way we think about subsurface flies and the rationale we use when tying them. And having a deeper understanding of the color factor can only pay dividends for the angler.

 

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from Koldkut wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

Many types of flashbou provide just this type of pop....some more than others. I know of one particular pattern that has quite the local following for using a purple flashback from a source that I don't know about, but it tends to turn fish on when the normal pattern or the same pattern without flash does not produce. I believe in the pop factor, just like a bass fisher knows when the use exactly the other color.

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from ckRich wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

I would think how color reacts with UV light could make the difference in pulling fish out of deeper holes, or even just cathing their eye on a swing. With UV light penetrating at deeper depths, would a fly with a UV hotspot possibly have a better chance at catching the attention of larger fish that are notorious for staying in deep runs? And possibly a better question: could this possibly amp up my smallie flies...?

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from ckRich wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

Lets see how many times I can say "possibly" in two sentences...

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from labrador12 wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

Are these different from the "hot pink" or fluorescent green currently on salmon flies that I already use? Just checking, not that I need to buy any more flies that stay in the box for years because nothing hits them. Getting the right depth seems to be the hot plan for most of my silver catching. They love flash but sticking the fly in their face really helps the most off all. Shallow water late in the run seems to be the exception for me. They will chase and even hit pollywogs then.

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from fezzant wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

ckRich - Light penetration into water roughly parralells the relative energy in the light wave - in other words, red get washed out first, followed by yellows, greens, and blues, with UV last. (That's why if you look at film from a deep scuba dive, everything looks blue, even things that would appear brightly colored at shallower depths) UV reflective or fluorescent materials will therefore prjoect more color in deeper water.

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from dleurquin wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

Gotta admit, with the exception of a few buggers, I don't have a lot of flies that are blue or purple. And nothing's UV. I might need to make room for a few new flies in my fly box.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

I would like to learn more about this topic. Didn't Tim just invest in underwater camera equipment?

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from badsmerf wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

I was actually thinking about this recently. There is a reason bass guys (including me) love the black and blue jig. It makes sense to incororate more of these types of colors, especially when fishing dirty water!

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from chidjm wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

I know from experience in saltwater that glow in the dark lures do very well at depth: It is very common to use a white glow-in-the-dark paint for deep jigs (looks green when you turn the lights off).

Looking at your photo of florescent light, I wonder, does florescent light change colors with depth too? I also dive, and have seen the effect, and I know on my deep jigs, all the paints look green here on the surface. Why is it that few people use the orange glows for saltwater? Does the color get filtered out for florescent?

-DJM

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from kirkdeeter wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

Great questions. I don't know the answers, but I'll look into it. buckhunter, I know Tim is on this as well. We're going to revisit this one.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

Looks to me like the wrong term is being used...not flourescent, but irredecent. (sp?) don't want to look it up. Looks to me like those heads give off their own light energy, not just reflect it.

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from bassman06 wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

@ckRich, I think it's possibly three times you said "possibly" in two sentences. Also, what about bass lure colors in dirty water?

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from fishbwana72 wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

Fluorescent types of material reflect light at a longer wavelength than it receives. This allows Fluorescent materials to absorb any light color in the spectrum and still reflect their representative color.  The flies here are just absorbing more light and appear brighter.

Not to confuse fluorescents with phosphorescence (glow in the dark) which is a specific type of photoluminescence related to fluorescence. Unlike fluorescence, a phosphorescent material does not immediately re-emit the radiation it absorbs. The re-emission happens at a slower time scale. The absorbed radiation may be re-emitted at a lower intensity for up to several hours after the original excitation.

Iridescence is generally known as the property of certain surfaces that appear to change color as the angle of view or the angle of illumination changes. Iridescence is commonly seen in items such as soap bubbles, butterfly wings, and sea shells.

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from fflutterffly wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

for me this is a very interesting subject and one I will gladly read and learn from.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

fishwanna...I couldn't remember the right term, but you have corrected my mis- identification for the term phosphorescence, not Iridescence. It looks to me like those flies contain a phosphorescence material. I was going to write an article about the positive aspects of creating "phosphorescent" flies at one time. Years ago, and I'm not to sure it did not start on WA State's Stilliguamish River where anglers would energize their glow bug's that were finished with a phosphorescent paint using a flashlight, or a camara flash. They would fish the Fortson Hole below the hatchery, and catch fish at midnite, and there after before the early bird anglers would show up. Steelhead were the targeted fish.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

and the most visible flourescent color as light disipates is RED flourescent...just the opposite for normal colors.

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from markmarko50 wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

Sayfu, I am one of those brave souls that used the glow corkies on the Kalama river in the early 1970's. we would start fishing at midnight and be done by 7:00 am and be heading back to Seattle with a limit all around of steelies. We used camera flashes to charge the corkies, because it lasted (glowed)longer than a from a flashlight.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

markmarko50...Ahh, those were the days! I still think these guys are talking about phosphorescent, and not flourescent, but not real good communication skills on these threads. As I remember the tackle outlet on the Kalama, it was Prichards Store.

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from markmarko50 wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

your memory is correct it was Prichards, and we mainly fished the hole below the salmon hatchery...it was there one fine July morning i met and fished with Jim Teeny, who introduced me to his Teeny nymph, and I quit using regular terminal tackle and started fly fishing for steelies and now I use a 14' spey set-up on the Cowlitz, some 40 years later...do pretty good too, but alas I now live over in Central WA. and it's not too often I make the trip.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

I fished with Jim Teeny on the Wind River, a Columbia River trib, years ago. We caught many, many Spring Chinook on his Teeny nymphs below the hatchery on the Wind...so many, and created so much attention that they closed that section below the hatchery to fishing. They justified it by saying it brought in snaggers, and poachers. It was strictly hook and release.

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from flyfish67 wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

I think most fly fishers understand that adding flash to fly patterns is nothing new. However, (in trout fishing at least) I think this idea is sort of "summed up & culminated" with the inception of Martin Bawden & Anthony Giaquinto Jr's Firebug Midge patterns.

The design of these patterns focuses on the Disco/Zebra Midge style of attractor "trigger point" patterns that Kirk Deeter & Steve Parrott illustrate.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 14 weeks ago

Flyfish..It is about the reflective qualities of Fourescent materials...adds a whole new dimension. And Phosphorescent adds another incredible reflective quality to a flies potential..please understand this concept.

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from flyfish67 wrote 1 year 13 weeks ago

Sayfu, Glow-in-the-dark flies, got it! Thank you.

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from kirkdeeter wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

Great questions. I don't know the answers, but I'll look into it. buckhunter, I know Tim is on this as well. We're going to revisit this one.

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from ckRich wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

I would think how color reacts with UV light could make the difference in pulling fish out of deeper holes, or even just cathing their eye on a swing. With UV light penetrating at deeper depths, would a fly with a UV hotspot possibly have a better chance at catching the attention of larger fish that are notorious for staying in deep runs? And possibly a better question: could this possibly amp up my smallie flies...?

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from fezzant wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

ckRich - Light penetration into water roughly parralells the relative energy in the light wave - in other words, red get washed out first, followed by yellows, greens, and blues, with UV last. (That's why if you look at film from a deep scuba dive, everything looks blue, even things that would appear brightly colored at shallower depths) UV reflective or fluorescent materials will therefore prjoect more color in deeper water.

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from fishbwana72 wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

Fluorescent types of material reflect light at a longer wavelength than it receives. This allows Fluorescent materials to absorb any light color in the spectrum and still reflect their representative color.  The flies here are just absorbing more light and appear brighter.

Not to confuse fluorescents with phosphorescence (glow in the dark) which is a specific type of photoluminescence related to fluorescence. Unlike fluorescence, a phosphorescent material does not immediately re-emit the radiation it absorbs. The re-emission happens at a slower time scale. The absorbed radiation may be re-emitted at a lower intensity for up to several hours after the original excitation.

Iridescence is generally known as the property of certain surfaces that appear to change color as the angle of view or the angle of illumination changes. Iridescence is commonly seen in items such as soap bubbles, butterfly wings, and sea shells.

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from Koldkut wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

Many types of flashbou provide just this type of pop....some more than others. I know of one particular pattern that has quite the local following for using a purple flashback from a source that I don't know about, but it tends to turn fish on when the normal pattern or the same pattern without flash does not produce. I believe in the pop factor, just like a bass fisher knows when the use exactly the other color.

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from flyfish67 wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

I think most fly fishers understand that adding flash to fly patterns is nothing new. However, (in trout fishing at least) I think this idea is sort of "summed up & culminated" with the inception of Martin Bawden & Anthony Giaquinto Jr's Firebug Midge patterns.

The design of these patterns focuses on the Disco/Zebra Midge style of attractor "trigger point" patterns that Kirk Deeter & Steve Parrott illustrate.

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from ckRich wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

Lets see how many times I can say "possibly" in two sentences...

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from labrador12 wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

Are these different from the "hot pink" or fluorescent green currently on salmon flies that I already use? Just checking, not that I need to buy any more flies that stay in the box for years because nothing hits them. Getting the right depth seems to be the hot plan for most of my silver catching. They love flash but sticking the fly in their face really helps the most off all. Shallow water late in the run seems to be the exception for me. They will chase and even hit pollywogs then.

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from dleurquin wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

Gotta admit, with the exception of a few buggers, I don't have a lot of flies that are blue or purple. And nothing's UV. I might need to make room for a few new flies in my fly box.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

I would like to learn more about this topic. Didn't Tim just invest in underwater camera equipment?

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from badsmerf wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

I was actually thinking about this recently. There is a reason bass guys (including me) love the black and blue jig. It makes sense to incororate more of these types of colors, especially when fishing dirty water!

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from chidjm wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

I know from experience in saltwater that glow in the dark lures do very well at depth: It is very common to use a white glow-in-the-dark paint for deep jigs (looks green when you turn the lights off).

Looking at your photo of florescent light, I wonder, does florescent light change colors with depth too? I also dive, and have seen the effect, and I know on my deep jigs, all the paints look green here on the surface. Why is it that few people use the orange glows for saltwater? Does the color get filtered out for florescent?

-DJM

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

Looks to me like the wrong term is being used...not flourescent, but irredecent. (sp?) don't want to look it up. Looks to me like those heads give off their own light energy, not just reflect it.

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from bassman06 wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

@ckRich, I think it's possibly three times you said "possibly" in two sentences. Also, what about bass lure colors in dirty water?

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from fflutterffly wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

for me this is a very interesting subject and one I will gladly read and learn from.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

fishwanna...I couldn't remember the right term, but you have corrected my mis- identification for the term phosphorescence, not Iridescence. It looks to me like those flies contain a phosphorescence material. I was going to write an article about the positive aspects of creating "phosphorescent" flies at one time. Years ago, and I'm not to sure it did not start on WA State's Stilliguamish River where anglers would energize their glow bug's that were finished with a phosphorescent paint using a flashlight, or a camara flash. They would fish the Fortson Hole below the hatchery, and catch fish at midnite, and there after before the early bird anglers would show up. Steelhead were the targeted fish.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

and the most visible flourescent color as light disipates is RED flourescent...just the opposite for normal colors.

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from markmarko50 wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

Sayfu, I am one of those brave souls that used the glow corkies on the Kalama river in the early 1970's. we would start fishing at midnight and be done by 7:00 am and be heading back to Seattle with a limit all around of steelies. We used camera flashes to charge the corkies, because it lasted (glowed)longer than a from a flashlight.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

markmarko50...Ahh, those were the days! I still think these guys are talking about phosphorescent, and not flourescent, but not real good communication skills on these threads. As I remember the tackle outlet on the Kalama, it was Prichards Store.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from markmarko50 wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

your memory is correct it was Prichards, and we mainly fished the hole below the salmon hatchery...it was there one fine July morning i met and fished with Jim Teeny, who introduced me to his Teeny nymph, and I quit using regular terminal tackle and started fly fishing for steelies and now I use a 14' spey set-up on the Cowlitz, some 40 years later...do pretty good too, but alas I now live over in Central WA. and it's not too often I make the trip.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 15 weeks ago

I fished with Jim Teeny on the Wind River, a Columbia River trib, years ago. We caught many, many Spring Chinook on his Teeny nymphs below the hatchery on the Wind...so many, and created so much attention that they closed that section below the hatchery to fishing. They justified it by saying it brought in snaggers, and poachers. It was strictly hook and release.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 14 weeks ago

Flyfish..It is about the reflective qualities of Fourescent materials...adds a whole new dimension. And Phosphorescent adds another incredible reflective quality to a flies potential..please understand this concept.

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from flyfish67 wrote 1 year 13 weeks ago

Sayfu, Glow-in-the-dark flies, got it! Thank you.

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