


February 01, 2012
Shoot Me Down: The Whisker Biscuit is Still the Best Rest for Bowhunting
By Dave Hurteau
First, we have a new high-speed video to show you, which is cool on its own merits. It illustrates, like you’ve probably never seen before, the most common complaint about a Whisker Biscuit arrow rest: “Too much fletching contact.” Check it out.
It’s plain to see that there is indeed a mountain of such contact. No one could argue otherwise. So much so that, as I say, it’s just crazy that a Whisker Biscuit can be so accurate.
Yet it is.
You’ve seen me shoot with one out to 70 and 100, and here is a YouTube video of Brian Quaca shooting with one at 136 yards. That should be proof enough, but I’ll also mention that I just finished testing the new Mathews Heli’m, which sported a Whisker Biscuit rest. I shot 25 3-shot, 40-yard groups that average 2.75 inches each. That won’t scare any tournament archers, but it should put plenty of fear in any deer.
Throughout the year, I set up and shoot bows with a variety of rests because it’s my job to do so. But if it weren’t, I would shoot nothing but a Whisker Biscuit for hunting. It is vastly more accurate than it needs to be for the field; nothing secures an arrow better; and it is wonderfully simple, with no moving parts or mechanisms to malfunction and ruin my hunt.
So there you have it. The Whisker Biscuit is still the best rest for bowhunting. Stand with me or shoot me down. Whoever makes the best argument, for or against, will be invited to spout his own brand of nonsense right here as my guest.
Comments (47)
I have yet to pick up my bow from any position while treestand hunting (often resting across my legs with the the release on the string)to find my arrow swinging around by the nock while using a whisker buscuit. That feature alone is why I switched to it.
This is akin to saying the .270 Win is an ideal deer cartridge.
Of course it is!
sticking with my Limbdriver from Vapor Trail. cool video though.
Not so much disagreeing as just sharing info, Dave. The grizzled old pro who sold me my Mission a few years back talked me out of one, said they were better suited to shooting feathers as opposed to vanes. I didn't argue, he makes a living at it.
Proverbs,
It's obvious to me, too. What I can't figure out is why so many hunter use something else. Apparently not obvious to them.
For hunting it is as simple and effective a choice a person can make. I will say you have to use the short stiff fletchings which I as many others have grown to love. That thing will turn an old school 4inch fletching into a wrinkled mess in no time.
For the money I don't think there is anything better, and as stated its so simple and hard to believe it works so accurately but it does. I don't plan on switching anytime soon, and shooting 2" Blazer Vanes it takes hundreds of shots before I notice any sort of rippling in the vanes, and they still fly just as true.
I'm sure it costs you a little speed and accuracy but the affects are negligible in terms of hunting accuracy in my opinion. I don't use one simply because i'm happy with the drop away rest that my bow came with. Before that i had a Capture rest which used 3 brushes to capture the arrow with space in between to eliminate fletching contact. It was a great design but cheaply made. that design could be the ultimate hunting rest if someone made a quality one, metal not plastic. Just my two cents.
Love mine. Lets me stalk with confidence knowing my arrow will be where it's suppose to when it's time to shoot.
Since there is contact with the Whisker Biscuit the resistance will cut back on your arrow speed and the kinetic energy at the point of impact, also, it produces more uneeded noise, which is a huge factor!
If one shoots a lot, the wear and tear of the fletching may have a negative impact if the hunter isn't constantly scrutinizing his arrows, fletching and Whisker Biscuit.
There are too many variables when using a Whisker Biscuit. I prefer to use my hand and fingers as it gives me the edge, keeps me alert, especially since I stalk 98% of the time.
I hunt in a lot of bad weather, cold, rain, sleet and snow with my bow. I crawl and carry my bow through a lot of thickets and a Whisker Biscuit could catch a thorn, stick or other debris that I may not be aware of. But, using my hand and fingers to lay hold of my arrow tells me instantly if something is amiss. Is anyone aware of how much water a Whisker Biscuit can hold? What happens if it rains then freezes, as it so often does in my neck of the woods?
The weather can effect the accuracy of the arrow. I always fill my freezer earlier in the season, but hunt particular bucks, which takes me into the late part of the season which brings about more variables.
The less of the variables, the more I have to focus, remain confident and alert of Mr. Big being in the midst of my arrow impacting his life.
To each their own, but I've been shooting a Whisker biscuit for years. It's a hunting rest and it does that very well. I've never had an arrow fall off the rest and it's simplicity has kept it from ever failing me.
People ask me why I haven't tried any of the new rests and I always reply the same way...."I don't need to"....
Hurteau, You have done all the work for us on shooting you down on this one. A few months back your post was speed kills and why every bit of speed is to your advantage. You mention speed allows for a single pin to be good further out, being able to push a heavier arrow with the same trajectory etc. Now you are saying the rest that slows the arrow the most and can have even more of an effect in colder weather is the way to go. Sure it prevents you from shaking an arrow loose or whacking it on a noisy rest but you know what else prevents that? practice and mental preparation. A couple skills that are all to lacking in modern archery. But we will get to that if you like my shoot down.
I'v been using the whisker biscut for years too. I thought about going to a drop away rest but I don't see the need.
I usually don't bow hunt in rain and freezing temps, but as 2Poppa stated What would happen under those conditions?
Ha! Nice job, Pacific Hunter. Way to turn the tables on me. Indeed, that's part of why I like a really fast bow--to make up for the 2-3 fps I lose with my Whisker Biscuit.
C'mon Dave, do you really expect us to believe that you worry about 2-3 fps?
Worry about it? No. But I'll take the extra speed if I can get it, as long as it doesn't preclude certain other features I favor, like a simple, reliable, foolproof rest. And yes, I admit that I--like many hunters--am capable of playing the fool when a big buck comes walking in.
Ok Dave, this one is gonna be a little bit harder for me to shoot you down on versus the last "Speed Kills" post.
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Now I will agree that the old ugly cookie (whisker bisquit) is a great hunting rest. But there are a couple of major points on why they are not the best rest available for hunters.
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First off the whisker bisquit is hard on fletching unless you fletch with a 2 degree offset or strait. The really tare up helical fletching. And for guys like me who shoot 15,000 arrows a year out of their hunting bow, well I would be re-fletching my arrows every week.
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Another point is that the are LOUD! The noise the arrow makes rubbing on the whiskers while drawing is just to much for me. Loud enough for deer to here if they are inside 40 yards.
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Also when it us cold them whiskers just dont hold up for me. They become very brittle.
----------------------------------------------------------The only upside of a whisker bisquit is the full containment of the arrow. But with my QAD HDX I get the full containment of the WB but the silientness and accuracy of a drop away (even though the accuracy differance isnt enough to really argue). I will never go back to the whisker bisquit after owning several QAD HD and HDX drop aways, even though they are 3x the cost of the WB.
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Oh and good shooting with that Helim!
I got handed a Trophy Taker drop-away rest a few years ago from a family member who had moved on to bigger and better things. I was shooting the whisker biscuit at the time and didn't have any problems with it.
Honestly, I can't tell any difference with respect to performance. This goes for both noise and accuracy. The idea that they are somehow noisy seems preposterous, especially when non-containment rests often result in arrows clanking off of the bow, treestand, etc when they are used in the field. Furthermore, the affect of the the WB on fletching longevity also seems negligible unless you are shooting actual feathers. As a target shooter you are probably better off with a drop-away, but as a hunter it seems mighty hard to be the ease of setup, safety (because of containment) and economy of a Whisker Biscuit.
I've never used a wisker bisquit so I honestly cannot say anything bad about them, I use a two prong spring rest and I've never had a problem with it. All I can say ( yeah I know its hard to believe Ha! Ha!) is that if it works for you and you trust it, by god use it! Maybe if mine breaks someday I'll try one out!
I love my whisker biscuit. Yes - I probably lose a little speed compared to a fall-away rest. But nothing holds better. I have seen many archers swearing and cursing as they try to replace an arrow into a rest at full draw using a fall-away rest. Admittiedly, this is not a good idea, but many people do it anyway. I don't even have to think about it.
The reason that the whisker biscuit is accurate at those ranges is that it acts on all three fletchings just about the same. The main area of concern with fletching contact is when it is only one or two, which results in a change in trajectory. I haven't/don't use a whisker biscuit and opt for a drop away mostly because I do not want to flinch and have the movement result in a bad shot. For me it is an ethical thing.
That's a good point Northern. If your follow through isn't perfect with a WB you're going to miss your target. Easy enough during practice, but much harder in the field. Practice makes perfect, but it's you can't duplicate some things - like adrenaline. Hunting the brush and scrub of Arizona means the WB, for me, is the perfect rest.
Interesting, but compare it on slow motion video to drop away rest and a hostage rest.
Whisker Biscuit is what I use and I see no reason to change. No moving parts, arrow "secure" in place and no noise.
I may change bows, but not rests.
Please, read my blog at http://awildbeastatheart.blogspot.com
I used a two prong rest before switching over to the Bisquit, and I have haven't looked back since. Full containment is a wonderful when stalking, drawing from a stand, etc. I never have to wonder if the arrow will fall off and the less to go wrong on a big buck is the best. All fletchings get affected at same time so no ill effect other than 2-3 fps, that's fine by me! I've shot accurately with that rest at any hunting ranges so I won't switch any time soon. In regards to 'lovetohunt' comment on noise, I've never had a deer spook from drawing with a bisquit and I regularly shoot them at 10 yds or less. Camo arrows and certain carbons will make more noise than smooth, shiny carbons though, maybe that is why he has the noise problem. Bisquit is the best thing for bowhunting in a long time, simple and reliable.
I set my fiance's bow up with a whisker biscuit just because of simplicity. I figured the less she would have a chance to screw up the better we both would be. It works great for her. She is accurate and deadly, already have taken several deer with it. I do not have a whisker biscuit on mine simply because it came with a good NAP rest already on it. But, if I ever have any problems I'll probably go with the biscuit.
Kevin,
Good point. I have also noticed that arrows with a camo finish make more noise when drawn through a WB. I don't have that problem with other arrows.
Shoot me down: The Whisker Bissuit is Still the Best Rest for Bowhunting.
First off Dave in order to argue that it is "still" the "best" you need to provide evidence that at one time it "was" the best rest for bowhunting.
Both are difficult arguements to make, and are probably false, because they are blanket statements that may only apply to a specific time period, a specific style of hunting and a specific type of bow.
I would argue that considering the history of bowhunting and the thousands of years it encompasses the Whisker Biscuit Arrow Rest has yet to make much of an impact. In fact I would go so far as to say that it isn't even a blip on the radar screen when compared against the Grand Sport of Bowhunting and it's rich history. The Comanche's of the Southwest, the Mongol Hordes of Asia, the English Long Bowmen, the Hittite Bow Hunters of Anatolia to name a few, would probably have their own favorite Bowhunting rest. We might be taking ourselves a little to seriously to think what we're doing with our modern bows and arrows is really that impressive. The book "The Witchery of Archery" (written in 1878 and avaiable to read online at Google Books) talks about shooting deer at 100+ yards. To my knowledge Dicks Sporting Goods wasn't selling the Whisker Biscuit in 1878.
Just an FYI, I gained 15 fps switching from a WB to a drop away. Could have been a couple tuning issues but I think 2-3 fps is a little on the low side for WB effect.
Nice, ENO.
Pacific Hunter,
I can only speak from my own experience, but I've shot them side by side through a chrono and never seen more than 5. (I don't doubt that you did, though.) On average, I've seen 2 or 3.
I was having a terrible time trying to get a Hoyt tuned up and basically threw all accessories out the window and started over with top of the line drop away, more precise sight adjustment, new release, string loop instead of metal , added a stabilizer, and once it was all set up it took me from 265 to right at 280 +/-2 fps. Like I said, could have been a combo of factors but I am blaming the rest.
A whisker biscuit is nice, but with my drop away rest, nothing is touching my arrow when it's getting released from the bow string. My groupings are tighter at the range. For some, the issue is a reduction in arrow speed. For me, it's about accuracy.
What about one of those abbreviated whisker biscuits? You know whiskers on only 3 sides and the rest open. Looks like one of those nuclear waste symbols in reverse. Any one else have them?
Colorado 2008. Pulling back on an elk. The sound of the arrow being pulled across the WB scared the elk away. Also happened on a whitetail the same year. Have not shot the WB since.
I also hate stalking with a rigid arrow. In tight spots it is difficult to pull your bow through the brush.
There is no denying the accuracy but accuracy comes with many rest.
yeah but you cant paper tune them , and they tear up fletching , strictly for women and children , low speed bows
I've used WB for years! Holding an arrow quietly, no parts to break, malfunction, etc.
I would like to see the slomo with feathers. My experience is that the feathers compress as they pass through the WB, creating wear, but even less contact. I know some guys trim the brushes from the path of the vanes. that works too!
All the people that have "issues" with the WB and accuracy...look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVbm7y6S5OM
Also, 10 out of 11 deer that I have shot using one were less than 20 yards away. If the WB made a sound...they sure as heck didn't hear it. BTW, my arrow weight is about 400 grains shooting 245 fps.
As far as tuning...I've tuned my bow to shoot bullet holes with the WB at several distances. The rest also allows modified French tuning perfectly (as well as walk-back tuning).
As mentioned, the WB is not for everyone but, for me, it does the same thing as a drop-away with better containment.
Not being into archery as much as I'd like, I've talked to several who do hunt archery and have heard many say they do not like the WB. I think starting out and learning to shoot a bow, the WB might be the better rest. As one gets more experience then one should try using others till they find the one that fits them best.
Quad ultra rest is a quieter and very reliable rest. Whisker is tough on vanes, but is easy to set up and reliable for hunting.
I don't bow hunt but used to use the term years ago before it was invented!
I have been shooting a WB and not had a problem with but I am going to try a QAD drop away rest. Also there are several drop away style arrow rests that lock your arrow in the shooting position and it cannot fall out. Two examples are Schaffer's Opposition rest and Trophy Ridge's Revolution rest.
shot a WB a few times seen them shot a lot and I just don't like having most of my arrow shooting through somthing before it even leaves the bow the only I want it to go through is the target or animal. I still shoot a Quiktune 1000 double prong.
If it has gotten to the point where the whisker biscuit is effecting your accuracy enough to matter you are a fortunate hunter. For most of us it is the only hunting rest needed and the greatest innovation since the mechanical release.
I had a whisker biscuit and dumped it because of it rippling my vanes. I went to the octane hostage pro rest instead. Some idea but whiskers contact the shaft not the veins. Not sure if the WB slowed down the arrows or screwed with accuracy. Mentally though, I prefer the hostage pro rest.
If you can't shoot straight, what can speed possibly matter? 24" of Maple log for supper doesn't cut it in my house.
What I do see, after watching the H/S video(thanks)10X, is that the WB takes some of the harmonic vibrations off the arrow. Ever so gently smooths out the flight.
i have shot a whisker biscuit for three years now and about 8 squirrels 1 raccoon 1 coyote 1 rabit and 8 deer wont tell you they were missed with it. i like that i can be about blown out of a tree and know that my arrow is still on the rest instead of on the ground. i have shot several others but this one is what i like best and 19 animals cant say different.
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I got handed a Trophy Taker drop-away rest a few years ago from a family member who had moved on to bigger and better things. I was shooting the whisker biscuit at the time and didn't have any problems with it.
Honestly, I can't tell any difference with respect to performance. This goes for both noise and accuracy. The idea that they are somehow noisy seems preposterous, especially when non-containment rests often result in arrows clanking off of the bow, treestand, etc when they are used in the field. Furthermore, the affect of the the WB on fletching longevity also seems negligible unless you are shooting actual feathers. As a target shooter you are probably better off with a drop-away, but as a hunter it seems mighty hard to be the ease of setup, safety (because of containment) and economy of a Whisker Biscuit.
Hurteau, You have done all the work for us on shooting you down on this one. A few months back your post was speed kills and why every bit of speed is to your advantage. You mention speed allows for a single pin to be good further out, being able to push a heavier arrow with the same trajectory etc. Now you are saying the rest that slows the arrow the most and can have even more of an effect in colder weather is the way to go. Sure it prevents you from shaking an arrow loose or whacking it on a noisy rest but you know what else prevents that? practice and mental preparation. A couple skills that are all to lacking in modern archery. But we will get to that if you like my shoot down.
I have yet to pick up my bow from any position while treestand hunting (often resting across my legs with the the release on the string)to find my arrow swinging around by the nock while using a whisker buscuit. That feature alone is why I switched to it.
This is akin to saying the .270 Win is an ideal deer cartridge.
Of course it is!
I've never used a wisker bisquit so I honestly cannot say anything bad about them, I use a two prong spring rest and I've never had a problem with it. All I can say ( yeah I know its hard to believe Ha! Ha!) is that if it works for you and you trust it, by god use it! Maybe if mine breaks someday I'll try one out!
To each their own, but I've been shooting a Whisker biscuit for years. It's a hunting rest and it does that very well. I've never had an arrow fall off the rest and it's simplicity has kept it from ever failing me.
People ask me why I haven't tried any of the new rests and I always reply the same way...."I don't need to"....
C'mon Dave, do you really expect us to believe that you worry about 2-3 fps?
Since there is contact with the Whisker Biscuit the resistance will cut back on your arrow speed and the kinetic energy at the point of impact, also, it produces more uneeded noise, which is a huge factor!
If one shoots a lot, the wear and tear of the fletching may have a negative impact if the hunter isn't constantly scrutinizing his arrows, fletching and Whisker Biscuit.
There are too many variables when using a Whisker Biscuit. I prefer to use my hand and fingers as it gives me the edge, keeps me alert, especially since I stalk 98% of the time.
I hunt in a lot of bad weather, cold, rain, sleet and snow with my bow. I crawl and carry my bow through a lot of thickets and a Whisker Biscuit could catch a thorn, stick or other debris that I may not be aware of. But, using my hand and fingers to lay hold of my arrow tells me instantly if something is amiss. Is anyone aware of how much water a Whisker Biscuit can hold? What happens if it rains then freezes, as it so often does in my neck of the woods?
The weather can effect the accuracy of the arrow. I always fill my freezer earlier in the season, but hunt particular bucks, which takes me into the late part of the season which brings about more variables.
The less of the variables, the more I have to focus, remain confident and alert of Mr. Big being in the midst of my arrow impacting his life.
Ok Dave, this one is gonna be a little bit harder for me to shoot you down on versus the last "Speed Kills" post.
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Now I will agree that the old ugly cookie (whisker bisquit) is a great hunting rest. But there are a couple of major points on why they are not the best rest available for hunters.
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First off the whisker bisquit is hard on fletching unless you fletch with a 2 degree offset or strait. The really tare up helical fletching. And for guys like me who shoot 15,000 arrows a year out of their hunting bow, well I would be re-fletching my arrows every week.
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Another point is that the are LOUD! The noise the arrow makes rubbing on the whiskers while drawing is just to much for me. Loud enough for deer to here if they are inside 40 yards.
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Also when it us cold them whiskers just dont hold up for me. They become very brittle.
----------------------------------------------------------The only upside of a whisker bisquit is the full containment of the arrow. But with my QAD HDX I get the full containment of the WB but the silientness and accuracy of a drop away (even though the accuracy differance isnt enough to really argue). I will never go back to the whisker bisquit after owning several QAD HD and HDX drop aways, even though they are 3x the cost of the WB.
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Oh and good shooting with that Helim!
Proverbs,
It's obvious to me, too. What I can't figure out is why so many hunter use something else. Apparently not obvious to them.
Ha! Nice job, Pacific Hunter. Way to turn the tables on me. Indeed, that's part of why I like a really fast bow--to make up for the 2-3 fps I lose with my Whisker Biscuit.
Interesting, but compare it on slow motion video to drop away rest and a hostage rest.
Love mine. Lets me stalk with confidence knowing my arrow will be where it's suppose to when it's time to shoot.
I'v been using the whisker biscut for years too. I thought about going to a drop away rest but I don't see the need.
I usually don't bow hunt in rain and freezing temps, but as 2Poppa stated What would happen under those conditions?
The reason that the whisker biscuit is accurate at those ranges is that it acts on all three fletchings just about the same. The main area of concern with fletching contact is when it is only one or two, which results in a change in trajectory. I haven't/don't use a whisker biscuit and opt for a drop away mostly because I do not want to flinch and have the movement result in a bad shot. For me it is an ethical thing.
I've used WB for years! Holding an arrow quietly, no parts to break, malfunction, etc.
I would like to see the slomo with feathers. My experience is that the feathers compress as they pass through the WB, creating wear, but even less contact. I know some guys trim the brushes from the path of the vanes. that works too!
For the money I don't think there is anything better, and as stated its so simple and hard to believe it works so accurately but it does. I don't plan on switching anytime soon, and shooting 2" Blazer Vanes it takes hundreds of shots before I notice any sort of rippling in the vanes, and they still fly just as true.
For hunting it is as simple and effective a choice a person can make. I will say you have to use the short stiff fletchings which I as many others have grown to love. That thing will turn an old school 4inch fletching into a wrinkled mess in no time.
Shoot me down: The Whisker Bissuit is Still the Best Rest for Bowhunting.
First off Dave in order to argue that it is "still" the "best" you need to provide evidence that at one time it "was" the best rest for bowhunting.
Both are difficult arguements to make, and are probably false, because they are blanket statements that may only apply to a specific time period, a specific style of hunting and a specific type of bow.
I would argue that considering the history of bowhunting and the thousands of years it encompasses the Whisker Biscuit Arrow Rest has yet to make much of an impact. In fact I would go so far as to say that it isn't even a blip on the radar screen when compared against the Grand Sport of Bowhunting and it's rich history. The Comanche's of the Southwest, the Mongol Hordes of Asia, the English Long Bowmen, the Hittite Bow Hunters of Anatolia to name a few, would probably have their own favorite Bowhunting rest. We might be taking ourselves a little to seriously to think what we're doing with our modern bows and arrows is really that impressive. The book "The Witchery of Archery" (written in 1878 and avaiable to read online at Google Books) talks about shooting deer at 100+ yards. To my knowledge Dicks Sporting Goods wasn't selling the Whisker Biscuit in 1878.
Colorado 2008. Pulling back on an elk. The sound of the arrow being pulled across the WB scared the elk away. Also happened on a whitetail the same year. Have not shot the WB since.
I also hate stalking with a rigid arrow. In tight spots it is difficult to pull your bow through the brush.
There is no denying the accuracy but accuracy comes with many rest.
I used a two prong rest before switching over to the Bisquit, and I have haven't looked back since. Full containment is a wonderful when stalking, drawing from a stand, etc. I never have to wonder if the arrow will fall off and the less to go wrong on a big buck is the best. All fletchings get affected at same time so no ill effect other than 2-3 fps, that's fine by me! I've shot accurately with that rest at any hunting ranges so I won't switch any time soon. In regards to 'lovetohunt' comment on noise, I've never had a deer spook from drawing with a bisquit and I regularly shoot them at 10 yds or less. Camo arrows and certain carbons will make more noise than smooth, shiny carbons though, maybe that is why he has the noise problem. Bisquit is the best thing for bowhunting in a long time, simple and reliable.
If you can't shoot straight, what can speed possibly matter? 24" of Maple log for supper doesn't cut it in my house.
What I do see, after watching the H/S video(thanks)10X, is that the WB takes some of the harmonic vibrations off the arrow. Ever so gently smooths out the flight.
I'm sure it costs you a little speed and accuracy but the affects are negligible in terms of hunting accuracy in my opinion. I don't use one simply because i'm happy with the drop away rest that my bow came with. Before that i had a Capture rest which used 3 brushes to capture the arrow with space in between to eliminate fletching contact. It was a great design but cheaply made. that design could be the ultimate hunting rest if someone made a quality one, metal not plastic. Just my two cents.
Not so much disagreeing as just sharing info, Dave. The grizzled old pro who sold me my Mission a few years back talked me out of one, said they were better suited to shooting feathers as opposed to vanes. I didn't argue, he makes a living at it.
If it has gotten to the point where the whisker biscuit is effecting your accuracy enough to matter you are a fortunate hunter. For most of us it is the only hunting rest needed and the greatest innovation since the mechanical release.
I set my fiance's bow up with a whisker biscuit just because of simplicity. I figured the less she would have a chance to screw up the better we both would be. It works great for her. She is accurate and deadly, already have taken several deer with it. I do not have a whisker biscuit on mine simply because it came with a good NAP rest already on it. But, if I ever have any problems I'll probably go with the biscuit.
Quad ultra rest is a quieter and very reliable rest. Whisker is tough on vanes, but is easy to set up and reliable for hunting.
Not being into archery as much as I'd like, I've talked to several who do hunt archery and have heard many say they do not like the WB. I think starting out and learning to shoot a bow, the WB might be the better rest. As one gets more experience then one should try using others till they find the one that fits them best.
I don't bow hunt but used to use the term years ago before it was invented!
Just an FYI, I gained 15 fps switching from a WB to a drop away. Could have been a couple tuning issues but I think 2-3 fps is a little on the low side for WB effect.
I was having a terrible time trying to get a Hoyt tuned up and basically threw all accessories out the window and started over with top of the line drop away, more precise sight adjustment, new release, string loop instead of metal , added a stabilizer, and once it was all set up it took me from 265 to right at 280 +/-2 fps. Like I said, could have been a combo of factors but I am blaming the rest.
Worry about it? No. But I'll take the extra speed if I can get it, as long as it doesn't preclude certain other features I favor, like a simple, reliable, foolproof rest. And yes, I admit that I--like many hunters--am capable of playing the fool when a big buck comes walking in.
Kevin,
Good point. I have also noticed that arrows with a camo finish make more noise when drawn through a WB. I don't have that problem with other arrows.
Nice, ENO.
Pacific Hunter,
I can only speak from my own experience, but I've shot them side by side through a chrono and never seen more than 5. (I don't doubt that you did, though.) On average, I've seen 2 or 3.
All the people that have "issues" with the WB and accuracy...look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVbm7y6S5OM
Also, 10 out of 11 deer that I have shot using one were less than 20 yards away. If the WB made a sound...they sure as heck didn't hear it. BTW, my arrow weight is about 400 grains shooting 245 fps.
As far as tuning...I've tuned my bow to shoot bullet holes with the WB at several distances. The rest also allows modified French tuning perfectly (as well as walk-back tuning).
As mentioned, the WB is not for everyone but, for me, it does the same thing as a drop-away with better containment.
I have been shooting a WB and not had a problem with but I am going to try a QAD drop away rest. Also there are several drop away style arrow rests that lock your arrow in the shooting position and it cannot fall out. Two examples are Schaffer's Opposition rest and Trophy Ridge's Revolution rest.
That's a good point Northern. If your follow through isn't perfect with a WB you're going to miss your target. Easy enough during practice, but much harder in the field. Practice makes perfect, but it's you can't duplicate some things - like adrenaline. Hunting the brush and scrub of Arizona means the WB, for me, is the perfect rest.
sticking with my Limbdriver from Vapor Trail. cool video though.
shot a WB a few times seen them shot a lot and I just don't like having most of my arrow shooting through somthing before it even leaves the bow the only I want it to go through is the target or animal. I still shoot a Quiktune 1000 double prong.
I love my whisker biscuit. Yes - I probably lose a little speed compared to a fall-away rest. But nothing holds better. I have seen many archers swearing and cursing as they try to replace an arrow into a rest at full draw using a fall-away rest. Admittiedly, this is not a good idea, but many people do it anyway. I don't even have to think about it.
yeah but you cant paper tune them , and they tear up fletching , strictly for women and children , low speed bows
Whisker Biscuit is what I use and I see no reason to change. No moving parts, arrow "secure" in place and no noise.
I may change bows, but not rests.
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What about one of those abbreviated whisker biscuits? You know whiskers on only 3 sides and the rest open. Looks like one of those nuclear waste symbols in reverse. Any one else have them?
A whisker biscuit is nice, but with my drop away rest, nothing is touching my arrow when it's getting released from the bow string. My groupings are tighter at the range. For some, the issue is a reduction in arrow speed. For me, it's about accuracy.
I had a whisker biscuit and dumped it because of it rippling my vanes. I went to the octane hostage pro rest instead. Some idea but whiskers contact the shaft not the veins. Not sure if the WB slowed down the arrows or screwed with accuracy. Mentally though, I prefer the hostage pro rest.
i have shot a whisker biscuit for three years now and about 8 squirrels 1 raccoon 1 coyote 1 rabit and 8 deer wont tell you they were missed with it. i like that i can be about blown out of a tree and know that my arrow is still on the rest instead of on the ground. i have shot several others but this one is what i like best and 19 animals cant say different.
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