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June 27, 2012

Would You Pay for Online Fly Casting Lessons?

By Tim Romano

Just when you thought you'd seen and heard it all…

Apparently you can now take fly casting lessons via your computer through a site called Flystiles.com.

So how does it work? You create a brief video of yourself making your best fly cast — the video "needs to show your whole range of motion, plus the fall of your line." Then you upload the video to YouTube and email the link to FFF certified casting instructor Andrew Stiles.

He will then watch it and determine whether he can help you based on what he sees. If you make the cut, you make a one-time payment of $35 through Paypal. Once the payment is received, Stiles will email you information for a personal video conference on Skype, where he will personally instruct you on the best ways to improve your cast. Video calls on Skype are free and easy. All you need is a computer, a webcam and a connection to the internet.

I don't know if it's all the third person references or the fact that you could walk down to your local fly shop and get instructions, but this strikes me as somewhat ridiculous. Fly casting instruction through Youtube and Skype? Seems a little fishy to me.  

What do you all say? Would you do this for $35 if you needed some help? And would you pay before you got your instruction?

 

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from themadflyfisher wrote 50 weeks 4 days ago

I personally would never pay some random dude over the internet to tell me his opinion on my casting. And $35, that's a little cheap for a good lesson. I bet the guy says three words then off-line he goes. If your casting is that bad to where you would do this, I say just go on You tube and watch some of the hundreds of "how to" videos that already exist then grab your rod and go.

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from fezzant wrote 50 weeks 4 days ago

Online fly casting classes sound like a great idea. Probably worth about as much as that online PhD in Applied Astrophysics I picked up from Billy Bob's Discount Degrees and Auto Parts a while back (billybobsautoparts.com). Still looking for a job in my field though.

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from buckhunter wrote 50 weeks 4 days ago

Why pay for it when you get it from Fly Talk for FREE!!

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from sowens wrote 50 weeks 4 days ago

Really???? Just find an experienced fly fisherman. I have never met a fly fisherman that was not a good enough person to share some knowledge and skill.

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from Rusty Dutton wrote 50 weeks 3 days ago

Lol, this actually made me laugh. Don't guess it was supposed to though. I flyfish for panfish in North Alabama, so needless to say, I get alot of people coming up to me and talking about the art and I have never refused to give a free lesson to anyone. I think the best way to spend your 35 bucks is to buy lunch for a fly fishing buddy and then go hit the water.

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from habben97 wrote 50 weeks 3 days ago

no.

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from Sayfu wrote 50 weeks 3 days ago

Learn how to click on the Orvis site. Lots of great flyfishing info, U-tubes that are exceptional value, all for free. And the Orvis cable tv. series is exceptional with Tom Rosenbauer. He is one of the very best at describing good flyfishing technique, and Orvis has their own fly casting instructor that is exceptional as well.

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from fflutterffly wrote 50 weeks 3 days ago

If I had been working with a certified casting instructor, (so I knew they understood) and needed some help while away from that help. Yes.
If the person was certified and understood how to read a loop. Yes
If it's some joe/jill off the internet who is just flapping on. No

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from Hornd wrote 50 weeks 3 days ago

Even reading this article was a waste of my time. Most times the best way to do something it try till you figure it out. Sharpening a knife comes to mind...Cleaning fish is another...Tying shoes another.

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from Sayfu wrote 50 weeks 3 days ago

Hornd..You just learn that stuff yourself without gathering any outside info?..in the age of information available? Trial and error on your own can be a very painful lessoln in learning.

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from joaxe wrote 50 weeks 2 days ago

Ha!

For $35, you could join Trout Unlimited or Federation of Fly Fishers and learn from the best...those that do it all of the time!

...or just visit Orvis.com and check the casting instructional videos from Pete Kutzer. There's a guy that can cast!!!

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from Ben Magee wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I also agree with the people who mentioned the Orvis website and YouTube. I'm self taught, and still learning, I'm not great by any means, but I have definitely improved this season by lots of practice. Watching people do it on YouTube can really help. The videos on Orvis' website are really good too.

After absorbing all that info, the best thing to do is practice, on water. Its all about becoming one with your fly rod, and feeling what its doing. When it all starts to click and you get your first perfect cast, its a great feeling!

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from Andrew Stiles wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

Dear Tim,
I read your blog about my Skype fly casting lessons with interest and think your readers will enjoy a response.
So you know a little about me, I am a fly fishing activist who lives and breathes this sport every day by teaching six classes a week to college students who have enrolled in my “Introduction to Fly fishing” classes. I developed the curriculum for the classes, which are offered through the physical education department at several of our local colleges. When I am not teaching college kids how to have fun and the importance of protecting our environment, I am teaching one of my 200 pre-paid and booked lessons that I will teach before next spring. I don’t think there is anyone in the US who teaches more students than I do.
Now I don’t claim to know it all, but I do know that I love to share my passion for the sport and if growing the number of students you teach is the measure, it is fair to say that my enthusiasm is contagious. I have a pretty good track record of students who now enjoy the sport more than they did before we met. I realized through my journey of becoming a certified casting Instructor with The Federation of Fly Fishers, that in order to bring the sport to more people, especially young people, I needed to join the world of modern technology. I had an epiphany after teaching a casting workshop in Denmark at the European Conclave last year. So many people from England, Scotland, Germany and other countries wanted to take lessons from me, but distance was a game stopper. Technology has now allowed me to teach not only stte-side, but to go global.
You were concerned about the concept of using Skype to teach. The reason is because Skype is the next best thing to receiving an in-person private lesson. The internet provides us with the opportunity to observe students and answer their questions on a one-to-one basis, even if that student is located in a different state or country. What a great way to spread the love of fly fishing and benefit a student who has no casting instructor or coach nearby to learn from. The problem with fly fishing is most people get frustrated trying to teach themselves and quit. That is not good for the sport. Instructors like me give their time freely to help those interested, learn how to cast through YouTube videos, but for people who want a personal critique of their cast and pointers designed to meet their individual needs, a Skype lesson makes that possible for people who want to learn from someone with my skill and ability but don’t live in the Richmond area. The clients I serve are no different than those that take a golf lesson from a pro on Skype.
Concerns about using the internet are legitimate and there are a lot of scams out there. My offer to teach via Skype may seem a little “fishy” unless you consider the safeguards I put into place to protect my clients. First, all transactions are performed through PayPal, which is an expense to me but gives my clients guaranteed protection and recourse if they are not happy with my lesson. Second, I advertise a 100% satisfaction guaranteed refund policy which PayPal will enforce. I offer this service because I know that what I have to offer is valuable and thus far, I have never been asked to give a refund. You noted that the price I charge for a lesson is low and you are correct. My passion is sharing my knowledge with others for their education and enjoyment, to the benefit of the environment and the guides and businesses that support fly fishing. The price I charge is break-even and I am clearly not in this business to get rich, but I am a professional and professionals should get paid. My hourly rate for a private lesson is $85.00 dollars and I have never had an unhappy student, so the Skype lesson is a real value.
Thanks for the blog and I hope all readers will understand what it’s all about.
Best Regards and Tight loops,
Andrew Stiles flystiles.com

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from LNance wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Andrew Stiles is the best teacher I have ever had. Yeah, you can get some kid in a store to tell you what he thinks and how he does it and where he goes, he can even show you how he casts...but then you get out there, (and no, not everyone's been doing this since they were a kid)and then I can't remember what the heck I'm supposed to be doing. Learning from a pro, someone with Andrew's experience and patience is worth way more than what he's charging. And guess what, not everybody lives in an area with a lot of fly fishermen just itching to help you. I have had private lessons with Andrew and I have met him on Skype and both experiences left me with more knowledge and confidence than anything some kid in an Orvis store could tell me. I think you guys are just pissed because you didn't think of this idea first.

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from obxbob wrote 47 weeks 3 days ago

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from obxbob wrote 47 weeks 3 days ago

Looking at the posts here, seems that Andrew Stiles has some background in the sport. He's teaching Fly Fishing at local colleges, taking teaching trips to Europe and has a backlog of folks waiting for his services. So what's the deal with all the criticism? Sure, Skype and YouTube are newer social media outlets for all kinds of things, like Nance suggested, maybe the critics are sore for his forward-thinking. The way I see it, the more folks exposed the better. Roads wouldn't have been built in this country without more and more cars driving on them, so bottom line Andrew is just another great American.

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from Andrew Stiles wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

Dear Tim,
I read your blog about my Skype fly casting lessons with interest and think your readers will enjoy a response.
So you know a little about me, I am a fly fishing activist who lives and breathes this sport every day by teaching six classes a week to college students who have enrolled in my “Introduction to Fly fishing” classes. I developed the curriculum for the classes, which are offered through the physical education department at several of our local colleges. When I am not teaching college kids how to have fun and the importance of protecting our environment, I am teaching one of my 200 pre-paid and booked lessons that I will teach before next spring. I don’t think there is anyone in the US who teaches more students than I do.
Now I don’t claim to know it all, but I do know that I love to share my passion for the sport and if growing the number of students you teach is the measure, it is fair to say that my enthusiasm is contagious. I have a pretty good track record of students who now enjoy the sport more than they did before we met. I realized through my journey of becoming a certified casting Instructor with The Federation of Fly Fishers, that in order to bring the sport to more people, especially young people, I needed to join the world of modern technology. I had an epiphany after teaching a casting workshop in Denmark at the European Conclave last year. So many people from England, Scotland, Germany and other countries wanted to take lessons from me, but distance was a game stopper. Technology has now allowed me to teach not only stte-side, but to go global.
You were concerned about the concept of using Skype to teach. The reason is because Skype is the next best thing to receiving an in-person private lesson. The internet provides us with the opportunity to observe students and answer their questions on a one-to-one basis, even if that student is located in a different state or country. What a great way to spread the love of fly fishing and benefit a student who has no casting instructor or coach nearby to learn from. The problem with fly fishing is most people get frustrated trying to teach themselves and quit. That is not good for the sport. Instructors like me give their time freely to help those interested, learn how to cast through YouTube videos, but for people who want a personal critique of their cast and pointers designed to meet their individual needs, a Skype lesson makes that possible for people who want to learn from someone with my skill and ability but don’t live in the Richmond area. The clients I serve are no different than those that take a golf lesson from a pro on Skype.
Concerns about using the internet are legitimate and there are a lot of scams out there. My offer to teach via Skype may seem a little “fishy” unless you consider the safeguards I put into place to protect my clients. First, all transactions are performed through PayPal, which is an expense to me but gives my clients guaranteed protection and recourse if they are not happy with my lesson. Second, I advertise a 100% satisfaction guaranteed refund policy which PayPal will enforce. I offer this service because I know that what I have to offer is valuable and thus far, I have never been asked to give a refund. You noted that the price I charge for a lesson is low and you are correct. My passion is sharing my knowledge with others for their education and enjoyment, to the benefit of the environment and the guides and businesses that support fly fishing. The price I charge is break-even and I am clearly not in this business to get rich, but I am a professional and professionals should get paid. My hourly rate for a private lesson is $85.00 dollars and I have never had an unhappy student, so the Skype lesson is a real value.
Thanks for the blog and I hope all readers will understand what it’s all about.
Best Regards and Tight loops,
Andrew Stiles flystiles.com

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from themadflyfisher wrote 50 weeks 4 days ago

I personally would never pay some random dude over the internet to tell me his opinion on my casting. And $35, that's a little cheap for a good lesson. I bet the guy says three words then off-line he goes. If your casting is that bad to where you would do this, I say just go on You tube and watch some of the hundreds of "how to" videos that already exist then grab your rod and go.

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from buckhunter wrote 50 weeks 4 days ago

Why pay for it when you get it from Fly Talk for FREE!!

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from LNance wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Andrew Stiles is the best teacher I have ever had. Yeah, you can get some kid in a store to tell you what he thinks and how he does it and where he goes, he can even show you how he casts...but then you get out there, (and no, not everyone's been doing this since they were a kid)and then I can't remember what the heck I'm supposed to be doing. Learning from a pro, someone with Andrew's experience and patience is worth way more than what he's charging. And guess what, not everybody lives in an area with a lot of fly fishermen just itching to help you. I have had private lessons with Andrew and I have met him on Skype and both experiences left me with more knowledge and confidence than anything some kid in an Orvis store could tell me. I think you guys are just pissed because you didn't think of this idea first.

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from fezzant wrote 50 weeks 4 days ago

Online fly casting classes sound like a great idea. Probably worth about as much as that online PhD in Applied Astrophysics I picked up from Billy Bob's Discount Degrees and Auto Parts a while back (billybobsautoparts.com). Still looking for a job in my field though.

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from sowens wrote 50 weeks 4 days ago

Really???? Just find an experienced fly fisherman. I have never met a fly fisherman that was not a good enough person to share some knowledge and skill.

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from Rusty Dutton wrote 50 weeks 3 days ago

Lol, this actually made me laugh. Don't guess it was supposed to though. I flyfish for panfish in North Alabama, so needless to say, I get alot of people coming up to me and talking about the art and I have never refused to give a free lesson to anyone. I think the best way to spend your 35 bucks is to buy lunch for a fly fishing buddy and then go hit the water.

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from habben97 wrote 50 weeks 3 days ago

no.

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from Sayfu wrote 50 weeks 3 days ago

Learn how to click on the Orvis site. Lots of great flyfishing info, U-tubes that are exceptional value, all for free. And the Orvis cable tv. series is exceptional with Tom Rosenbauer. He is one of the very best at describing good flyfishing technique, and Orvis has their own fly casting instructor that is exceptional as well.

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from fflutterffly wrote 50 weeks 3 days ago

If I had been working with a certified casting instructor, (so I knew they understood) and needed some help while away from that help. Yes.
If the person was certified and understood how to read a loop. Yes
If it's some joe/jill off the internet who is just flapping on. No

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from Hornd wrote 50 weeks 3 days ago

Even reading this article was a waste of my time. Most times the best way to do something it try till you figure it out. Sharpening a knife comes to mind...Cleaning fish is another...Tying shoes another.

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from Sayfu wrote 50 weeks 3 days ago

Hornd..You just learn that stuff yourself without gathering any outside info?..in the age of information available? Trial and error on your own can be a very painful lessoln in learning.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from joaxe wrote 50 weeks 2 days ago

Ha!

For $35, you could join Trout Unlimited or Federation of Fly Fishers and learn from the best...those that do it all of the time!

...or just visit Orvis.com and check the casting instructional videos from Pete Kutzer. There's a guy that can cast!!!

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ben Magee wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I also agree with the people who mentioned the Orvis website and YouTube. I'm self taught, and still learning, I'm not great by any means, but I have definitely improved this season by lots of practice. Watching people do it on YouTube can really help. The videos on Orvis' website are really good too.

After absorbing all that info, the best thing to do is practice, on water. Its all about becoming one with your fly rod, and feeling what its doing. When it all starts to click and you get your first perfect cast, its a great feeling!

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from obxbob wrote 47 weeks 3 days ago

test

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from obxbob wrote 47 weeks 3 days ago

Looking at the posts here, seems that Andrew Stiles has some background in the sport. He's teaching Fly Fishing at local colleges, taking teaching trips to Europe and has a backlog of folks waiting for his services. So what's the deal with all the criticism? Sure, Skype and YouTube are newer social media outlets for all kinds of things, like Nance suggested, maybe the critics are sore for his forward-thinking. The way I see it, the more folks exposed the better. Roads wouldn't have been built in this country without more and more cars driving on them, so bottom line Andrew is just another great American.

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