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August 08, 2012

Trout: How Much Does Tippet Size Really Matter?

By Kirk Deeter

How much does tippet size really factor into whether or not a trout eats your fly?

I'm going to say somewhere between 5 and 15 percent, in terms of the total "presentation" equation. And I think that's being generous. But I'll also add that all of that depends on three things: the size of the bugs (naturals) the trout are actually eating, the speed of the current, and the clarity of the water.

My late, great friend and mentor, Charlie Meyers, is the one who initially changed my mind on all of this. I used to be the guy who would see a trout refuse my fly and would size down to 7X even before I switched the fly pattern. Charlie said to me, "Deeter, you could tie a kite string to that bug, and if you know how to float it right, it will get bit." These days, I don't carry anything smaller than 5X, and 90 percent of the time, I fish with 4X or 3X. And when I'm really having fun with streamers, I use Maxima.

So I decided to revisit old Charlie's theory the other day. I tied 12-pound Maxima to dry flies and fished with 5X on the same flies. I switched back and forth all day. The current was swift. It's grasshopper season (at last!), but the water was gin clear on the stretch of the South Platte River in Colorado where I performed this little test. 

The best presentation of all was a drag-free drift made with a downstream (about 45-degree) cast, tight to the bank. Fish ate that one almost every time. (So think about where you cast from, in terms of shadows, distance, and so forth before you make a long hero cast that won't be worth anything.) The straight-upstream shot was less effective for both the Maxima and 5X. Any drag on the fly with either spelled "game over," and I will admit that it was a bit easier to lift and mend the line and leader with 5X on the shots that were exactly parallel to the current than it was to do the same with Maxima.

But I am thoroughly convinced that tippet size is a nominal factor if you can put a fly in the right zone and let it ride drag-free for three seconds, especially in the context of fishing big dry fly patterns like hoppers.

Now, would I tie Maxima to a size #20 Barr emerger when I'm targeting sipping trout on a spring creek? Heck no. But I'd sooner do that than run 7X through a riffle where fish are eagerly chopping away at Green Drakes on the surface. Especially if I thought I had a chance of hooking anything larger than a foot long.

In the end, this exercise proved to me that it's all about the fly and the drift. You will hook more fish than you will miss if you can pick the right one and float it in a natural way (even for a few seconds) in a place where you suspect the fish might be. Period. End of story. And all that "size down to ultra-thin tippet" mumbo-jumbo is, in most cases, more effective in getting anglers to buy spools of monofilament than it is at actually helping them catch fish.  Perfect the drift and you will win most of the time.

That's my two cents, intended to save you money. But if you still have doubts, go out there and sling some hoppers on Maxima for yourself, and you'll become a believer also.

 

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from Koldkut wrote 44 weeks 3 days ago

I've gone to 4x for almost everything.....but I carry 6x for certain waters where I *know* it matters.

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from themadflyfisher wrote 44 weeks 3 days ago

Fly fishing like any sport is as technical as you want it to be. When I first started fly fishing I was told to get all size tippets and leaders and fish certain ones depending on where I was and what I was fishing for. I did this for a while until I met and fished with an older gentleman, who I now fish with regularly who looked at all my packs of leaders and spools of tippet and just started laughing. He then pulled out a spool of 4# mono just like you would use on your spinning rod and out fished me something stupid. Now I still use leaders and tippet and he still uses plain spool line but it does go to show you that it's all in the angler and his confidence in his gear. He saw no need to ever get into leaders and tippets and he can fish plain straight line like a champ because that's all he's ever done.

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from buckhunter wrote 44 weeks 3 days ago

Deet,

Just curious, what was your leader/tippet formula? I know a few guys that build 15 foot leader/tippet combos for gin clear water and swear by them.

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from coachsjike wrote 44 weeks 2 days ago

size always matters!

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from Sage Sam wrote 44 weeks 2 days ago

Cannot agree more. Rarely does tippet size matter anywhere that I fish other than the manner in which it influences the presentation. I just wish I would have figured that out a decade and 100 lost fish ago.

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from fezzant wrote 44 weeks 2 days ago

I used to fish all the time with 6x tippet, but I got tired of breaking fish off or having to let them run to exhaustion. Now the only time I go that light is on size 22 or smaller flies, when I don't want my knots to be bigger than the fly.

I'm surprised we haven't heard a scathing reply regarding tippet and fly size matching from Sayfu yet.

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from rhiggins wrote 44 weeks 2 days ago

Back in the day George Harvey showed this. Apparently, he poked beetles with extremely thick mono (or glued it to them) and threw them in the river. The fish gobbled them up. It's the drift and not the tippet that matters.

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from Woodstock wrote 44 weeks 2 days ago

As a young guide, I watched one of the best anglers I have ever seen bang dozens of trout on grasshoppers over the 1-week stretch that we fished together. He never used less than 1x tippet. He told me, "You lose less flies, you land fish quicker, and it doesn't make a difference."

And since then, that lesson has proven itself over and over. I agree completely: presentation trumps the diameter of the tippet in all but the most extreme cases.

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from fflutterffly wrote 44 weeks 2 days ago

Fezzant's right! Use to do the same thing and had clients. Now I tell them just by 5x or maxima. Saves them money, fish and fight for the fish. I don't know much about the manufacture of tippet, but I can't imagine one small company purchasing all that esoteric equipment to sell tippet when they could contract someone and change the label to .... instead of maxima. So in my little grey area between my ears they are nearly... operative word...nearly the same. Save money buy Maxima or similar.
As a test I've even taken Maxima and put it on a 'brand name' spool, given it to a few professionals and had them use it. They never knew the difference.

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from fflutterffly wrote 44 weeks 2 days ago

Forgot: Coachsjike size matters only if you lack confidence or you are Henrik Rummel! olol

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from tkbone wrote 44 weeks 1 day ago

Based on my experience of fishing with braid, I'll go one further and say that color is equally unimportant if the lure or fly is behaving the right way.

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from SD Bob wrote 44 weeks 1 day ago

I lost part of my left arm 8 years ago but I didn't lose my love of fly fishing. I pretty much use 4# mono for trout and 8# for everything else. I can still tie the knots, it just takes me so much longer to do so that I got lazy and noticed I didn't catch any less fish. Honestly I am surprised it wasn't just me being happy I could still fly fish?

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from Hornd wrote 44 weeks 1 day ago

A spool of 4,6,8 fluorocarbon has me covered for most everything. I don't buy the small "fly fishing" spools = rip off. Just use a spool tender that I seen on here using elastic, plastic bead, and shrink tubing. By the way, thx for the tip.

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from Hoski wrote 44 weeks 1 day ago

For the steelhead I chase I rarely go lighter than 3X and never lighter than 4X.
I'd much rather break off after a short spectacular run or series of acrobatics than play a fish to exhaustion.
I've seen more than I care to of dead or dying fish caused by folks trying to coax fish in using nano thin tippets.

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from Louis Pecoraro wrote 43 weeks 6 days ago

Someone once said there are three things that matter when fly fishing ....presentation, presentation and presentation.
I exclusively use #4 and #6 fluoro tippet except for size 20 and smaller. While I enjoy dry fly fishing immensely, I increasingly find myself fishing emergers much more these days. Rarely are my patterns smaller than 14, and I still manage to out fish most on the river, and to some very selective trout.

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from Fox Statler wrote 43 weeks 2 days ago

The examples for using a larger tippet were of good choice for that type of diversion from real fly fishing, and the statement,"the using 7X when one might set something a foot long or better", truly reveals your flyfishing experience and abilities. Lets be reasonable, who chunks a #2 grasshopper with 7X tippet? Answer, an idiot. Who attempts to stealthily present a #24 molting Scud with 4X tippet?? Answer, another idiot. Large tippets with large floating flies enhance the ability of the whole system to stay on top. However, a 7x or 8x tippet is the correct choice for dead-drifting a #24 molting scud in gin clear water regardless of the current speed and a 10 foot, 1 weight is the perfect rod to land a 12 pound brown with this rig. Done it several times. Simple logic makes better fisherman of us all. Try it, Deeter

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from abbner wrote 43 weeks 2 days ago

This is a great topic because I was pondering on this the other day after I replaced my $40 5X RIO. It's insane what we pay for tippet, and like what a couple of the fella's stated, so why not buy larger spools of 4 or 5# at a cheaper price. It makes sense.

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from abbner wrote 43 weeks 2 days ago

This is a great topic because I was pondering on this the other day after I replaced my $40 5X RIO. It's insane what we pay for tippet, and like what a couple of the fella's stated, so why not buy larger spools of 4 or 5# at a cheaper price. It makes sense.

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from Merkincrab wrote 43 weeks 2 days ago

Another great, thought-provoking article. My response: yeah, maybe. I've had moments with 7X on the Missouri fishing on top for monster sipping browns....and I knew I needed the ultra-light tippets to float the tiny bugs just right. And I've been guided by pros on the Arkansas who insisted that 3X was all I needed, and proved it to me. I do agree that I've lost way too many fish because my tippet size was smaller than it needed to be when I hooked into a hot fish. I'll still fish 6X in Cheesman Canyon, thank you, because I need all the help I can get for those fish.

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from fezzant wrote 44 weeks 2 days ago

I used to fish all the time with 6x tippet, but I got tired of breaking fish off or having to let them run to exhaustion. Now the only time I go that light is on size 22 or smaller flies, when I don't want my knots to be bigger than the fly.

I'm surprised we haven't heard a scathing reply regarding tippet and fly size matching from Sayfu yet.

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from fflutterffly wrote 44 weeks 2 days ago

Forgot: Coachsjike size matters only if you lack confidence or you are Henrik Rummel! olol

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from Hoski wrote 44 weeks 1 day ago

For the steelhead I chase I rarely go lighter than 3X and never lighter than 4X.
I'd much rather break off after a short spectacular run or series of acrobatics than play a fish to exhaustion.
I've seen more than I care to of dead or dying fish caused by folks trying to coax fish in using nano thin tippets.

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from Koldkut wrote 44 weeks 3 days ago

I've gone to 4x for almost everything.....but I carry 6x for certain waters where I *know* it matters.

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from themadflyfisher wrote 44 weeks 3 days ago

Fly fishing like any sport is as technical as you want it to be. When I first started fly fishing I was told to get all size tippets and leaders and fish certain ones depending on where I was and what I was fishing for. I did this for a while until I met and fished with an older gentleman, who I now fish with regularly who looked at all my packs of leaders and spools of tippet and just started laughing. He then pulled out a spool of 4# mono just like you would use on your spinning rod and out fished me something stupid. Now I still use leaders and tippet and he still uses plain spool line but it does go to show you that it's all in the angler and his confidence in his gear. He saw no need to ever get into leaders and tippets and he can fish plain straight line like a champ because that's all he's ever done.

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from buckhunter wrote 44 weeks 3 days ago

Deet,

Just curious, what was your leader/tippet formula? I know a few guys that build 15 foot leader/tippet combos for gin clear water and swear by them.

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from coachsjike wrote 44 weeks 2 days ago

size always matters!

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from Sage Sam wrote 44 weeks 2 days ago

Cannot agree more. Rarely does tippet size matter anywhere that I fish other than the manner in which it influences the presentation. I just wish I would have figured that out a decade and 100 lost fish ago.

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from rhiggins wrote 44 weeks 2 days ago

Back in the day George Harvey showed this. Apparently, he poked beetles with extremely thick mono (or glued it to them) and threw them in the river. The fish gobbled them up. It's the drift and not the tippet that matters.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Woodstock wrote 44 weeks 2 days ago

As a young guide, I watched one of the best anglers I have ever seen bang dozens of trout on grasshoppers over the 1-week stretch that we fished together. He never used less than 1x tippet. He told me, "You lose less flies, you land fish quicker, and it doesn't make a difference."

And since then, that lesson has proven itself over and over. I agree completely: presentation trumps the diameter of the tippet in all but the most extreme cases.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from fflutterffly wrote 44 weeks 2 days ago

Fezzant's right! Use to do the same thing and had clients. Now I tell them just by 5x or maxima. Saves them money, fish and fight for the fish. I don't know much about the manufacture of tippet, but I can't imagine one small company purchasing all that esoteric equipment to sell tippet when they could contract someone and change the label to .... instead of maxima. So in my little grey area between my ears they are nearly... operative word...nearly the same. Save money buy Maxima or similar.
As a test I've even taken Maxima and put it on a 'brand name' spool, given it to a few professionals and had them use it. They never knew the difference.

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from tkbone wrote 44 weeks 1 day ago

Based on my experience of fishing with braid, I'll go one further and say that color is equally unimportant if the lure or fly is behaving the right way.

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from SD Bob wrote 44 weeks 1 day ago

I lost part of my left arm 8 years ago but I didn't lose my love of fly fishing. I pretty much use 4# mono for trout and 8# for everything else. I can still tie the knots, it just takes me so much longer to do so that I got lazy and noticed I didn't catch any less fish. Honestly I am surprised it wasn't just me being happy I could still fly fish?

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Hornd wrote 44 weeks 1 day ago

A spool of 4,6,8 fluorocarbon has me covered for most everything. I don't buy the small "fly fishing" spools = rip off. Just use a spool tender that I seen on here using elastic, plastic bead, and shrink tubing. By the way, thx for the tip.

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from Louis Pecoraro wrote 43 weeks 6 days ago

Someone once said there are three things that matter when fly fishing ....presentation, presentation and presentation.
I exclusively use #4 and #6 fluoro tippet except for size 20 and smaller. While I enjoy dry fly fishing immensely, I increasingly find myself fishing emergers much more these days. Rarely are my patterns smaller than 14, and I still manage to out fish most on the river, and to some very selective trout.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Fox Statler wrote 43 weeks 2 days ago

The examples for using a larger tippet were of good choice for that type of diversion from real fly fishing, and the statement,"the using 7X when one might set something a foot long or better", truly reveals your flyfishing experience and abilities. Lets be reasonable, who chunks a #2 grasshopper with 7X tippet? Answer, an idiot. Who attempts to stealthily present a #24 molting Scud with 4X tippet?? Answer, another idiot. Large tippets with large floating flies enhance the ability of the whole system to stay on top. However, a 7x or 8x tippet is the correct choice for dead-drifting a #24 molting scud in gin clear water regardless of the current speed and a 10 foot, 1 weight is the perfect rod to land a 12 pound brown with this rig. Done it several times. Simple logic makes better fisherman of us all. Try it, Deeter

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from abbner wrote 43 weeks 2 days ago

This is a great topic because I was pondering on this the other day after I replaced my $40 5X RIO. It's insane what we pay for tippet, and like what a couple of the fella's stated, so why not buy larger spools of 4 or 5# at a cheaper price. It makes sense.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from abbner wrote 43 weeks 2 days ago

This is a great topic because I was pondering on this the other day after I replaced my $40 5X RIO. It's insane what we pay for tippet, and like what a couple of the fella's stated, so why not buy larger spools of 4 or 5# at a cheaper price. It makes sense.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Merkincrab wrote 43 weeks 2 days ago

Another great, thought-provoking article. My response: yeah, maybe. I've had moments with 7X on the Missouri fishing on top for monster sipping browns....and I knew I needed the ultra-light tippets to float the tiny bugs just right. And I've been guided by pros on the Arkansas who insisted that 3X was all I needed, and proved it to me. I do agree that I've lost way too many fish because my tippet size was smaller than it needed to be when I hooked into a hot fish. I'll still fish 6X in Cheesman Canyon, thank you, because I need all the help I can get for those fish.

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