Your own creation Buck? lol! Watched the Orvis casting school instructor demonstrate it last nite on the Orvis fly fishing cable show. Underpower the cast, and your fly end portion and leader lays the other way. But nice try at stardum anyway. I can appreciate that quality in an angler.

Funny you should mention my beloved Tenkara... My youngest asked for a Tenkara Rod for his 18th birthday then told me he was joining the U.S. Marine Corp in the same breath. So if you see a short-haired grunt built like a linebacker flailing away with a Tenkara Rod, I suggest you pass silently and not look him in the eye. He will dapple downstream if he wishes.

Looks like that guy in the picture is angling on a lake..not much need for mending, and why a lot of anglers take to a lake. Cast out the fly, and manage slack on the surface if you are fishing on the surface, but most of the time it is stripping, and imparting motion to a leach pattern type, a damsel, dragon, or small nymph. Simplifies things for anglers. Streams are where the mending needs understood.

It's really a good idea to practice your mends both on your casting side and off shoulder, which many forget is needed. My usual dry land practice consist of the: curve cast, parachute cast and "S" or Snake mend... all practiced on both sides.

Gt, Have heard of a check cast, which is my own creation. You cast side arm 4-5 feet above the water then stop the cast suddenly in mid-air. The leader swings around and lands in an L-shape on the water. Great for casting behind things and to rising trout straight upstream.

Have never used this cast to mend but you have got me thinking. If I cast straight across, land the fly down stream then lower my rod towards down stream, creating a U-shape, it might be good for quick run with a back eddy.

I'm gonna have to try it this weekend.

Buckhuner...Think what I wish? lol! So you changed a name of a positive curve cast, and now you invented it? ...tooo funny. But keep those articles coming.

Sayfu: Our flyfishing industry needs a new guru. Whitlock and Lefty are getting old. buckhunter may just be the guy. Do you know how many people have become rich, and famous by stealing someones idea to get started? Maybe instead of a Royal Wulff we need to make it a Royal buckhunter. :)

Sayfu, Really?? Pulling out your second login name... Geesh. This really does bother you.

Say, I'll give you a homework assignment for the weekend. Give the key points of the check cast. Please keep it brief. It's really simple.

For bonus points, describe the mini roll cast. Clinch, feel free to join in. I hate to leave anyone out.

The check cast has few basic elements. It is designed to us side way momentum to swing your fly around objects.

1) Shorten your leader. You want the bend to be in your fly line, not your leader or at the junction.

2) Cast side armed with an open loop. Not a tight loop.

3) Stop or "check" your cast near the end, allowing the fly to swing around and land at a 90 degree angle to the fly line. (this is what takes the most practice) Casting 4-5 feet above the water makes this a lot easier. Also knowing when to check up on your cast is also key.

4) Do not raise your rod on the hook set. You want to use the pressure of the fly line on the water to set the hook. This is why you shorten your leader and have the bend in your fly line, not the leader. Use a strip set or pull on your rod keeping the rod tip low.

These are the basics of the check cast. Has worked well for me over the years. The reason you could not describe it is because you did not know what it was.

The interesting thing about this cast is that it was developed at a time with everyone was teaching keeping your fly line and leader straight for a good hookset and Lefty was telling everyone to ditch their long rods. This cast is made much easier with a longer rod, setting the hook my using the water pressure on the fly line was unheard of. Which by the way, I call the Hydro-set.

There you have it, Sayfu. My check cast. Developed on a very cold winters day in February, 1994. (I keep good notes) Had it been done before? I am sure it has but on that day it was new to me so I named it.

And this concludes your Sunday morning schooling, Sayfu. Next week (if you are a good boy) I'll teach you how to tie the "Mohican Chief". It is a dry fly which is BETTER than the adams, coachman, simulator or many of the other dries you buy in the store today. Yes, I named it and developed it so stop your whining.

I said can you came...It is can you Make the curve cast casting overhead, and how?

So you don't know how to do it a more efficient way by casting overhead. And you don't know who was the famous angler that tried to take credit for another anglers cast by pulling a bcukhunter, and naming it "his" oval cast. You failed again buckhunter. You sound a lot like Obama when he gets caught in one of his many falsehoods.

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Not trying to jump into the middle of a fight, but what you are describing Buckhunter is a positive curve cast, as Sayfu mentioned. I'm a casting instructor and the typical nomenclature describes a check cast as the overhead version of what you mention. It is used to get a fly down fast. You very well could have discovered the positive curve on your own, but it is pretty well known and called by a different name in casting circles.

Koldkut. Who cares? What if I told you the truth of the matter is that I discovred the Internet? Would that make Al Gore mad, or what? lol! And the person that cared the most was buckhunter. He chimed right in, and told the guy he invented the positive curve cast. Even the way buckhunter described it was pretty shaky...open up the loop to make the cast? No need to open up the loop. Much more efficient to throw a tight loop, and have the end of the line/leader/fly come around.

Buckhunter, the proper term is trolling, and I got a bite too, it's almost a sure thing :)

buckhunter...just here to keep you honest. And you mentioned it was discovered before you? NO, you fabricated that. And the prof of that was Split's reaction to you telling him YOU invented the cast. It was discovered ONCE...by the guy who developed it. The rest of you wannabee's concocted your discovery. Flyfishing has a lot of proud heritage. And it is preserved by those that want to keep it that way, and give credit where credit is due. You still can't provide answers for my two trivia questions. But then again, you did tell us you don't read.

Koldkut, I have always wondered who invented the corner swervy pendulum haul cast. Thank you. Have caught a few off that cast.

Speaking of cast. I once cast over a tree limb which hung over the center of a large fishing hole and with my line hanging straight down I dabbled a caddis over the water. You just can't make this stuff up or find it in a book. I suppose Sayfu taught that also.

Sayfu, You have forgotten my friend, I am a small stream lover. It is an entirely different world where the trees and the water meet. Most dare not venture into such technical territory but I excel in it. I spend all day fighting the limbs, small pockets and skinny water only to be rewarded with a 6 inch fish. It's a place where fisherman cuss, trout laugh and fly rods sing. Your fly line must float softly in the air and flutter, like a whisper to the water. Also a fine place to mix alcohol and fishing. Just thinking about it brings a smile to my face.

If you are armed with nothing but tight loops, you will fail miserably.

buck,
Technical? That was a joke right? You are a dedicated Tankera angler! lol! All the technical has been removed. Small stream anglers are daplers. Stand high above the water you've crawled into...put on one of my softhackles, and dap it downstream stripping line out as it sinks, and let'er emerge up to the surface, Just make sure you have a net with holes in the bottom that the fish you catch doesn't slip through.

Ive never done that before :O

Buck..This whole discussion seems to have gotten to you. For the most part I was just jerkin your chain. Tenkara fishing can be fun. Just not my deal. I watched Craig Mathews, (you said you didn't read much) but he is a famous angler that owns a flyshop in West Yellowstone...designed the X Caddis, but, he did copy, IMO the comparadun. Changed the tail, and called it his sparkle dun. He fished a tenkara rod on a spring creek running through the Madison Valley. He'd find a point on the bank, and fish the seam that went off the point with a Tenkara rod. Just not my deal. I want to motivate folks to accept the challenge of fly fishing as being well worth it. Take on the frustrations because it can be a life long pleasure. I'm taking an 89 yr old that just spent 3 days in the hospital on a jetboat run today, and getting out on the bars, and flyfishing. The old guy is good at it. He just can't see very well. I have to tie him on a big hi-vis when we float the banks. When we get out, he swings softhackles. Water is dropping, the bars are showing well..fun time of year. I forget how well we have it out here. You guys scare the bejesus out of me thinking I was living back EAST again!

My journal states I caught a 15in brown trout on this cast on February 18, 1994. A totally unremarkable day except for the fact I slept in my truck on the river bank that night and froze my arse off.

I am sure this cast has been discovered 1000's of times over the decades of fly anglers but I did name it the Check Cast in 1994 and even wrote an article about it.

Actually won a casting competition with this cast some years ago.

This is already too much information, think what you wish Sayfu.

HAHAHA I got upset? Not the least. I thought it was pretty funny you trying to convince someone you invented the curve cast. And books I have read, but when you have guided for many years, and fished folks over 100 days a year each of those years, and taught fly schools for 30 plus years, you know when a statement like you made doesn't pass the smell test. Keep that good humor comin, I enjoy it.