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April 29, 2013

Comment On Alaska's Pebble Mine to Enter Bristol Bay Fishing Trip Contest

By Kirk Deeter

We've been covering the proposed Pebble Mine and its potential impact on Alaska's most prolific salmon fishery in Bristol Bay for many years now. The situation has reached another critical juncture, and by voicing your concerns—and encouraging others to do the same—you can now be entered for a chance to win a trip for two (four days/nights) at Dan Michael's Crystal Creek Lodge.

You can do so by visiting this page and hitting the "tell a friend prompt"

Here's where it stands:
After being asked to deny the Pebble Partnership a Clean Water Act 404 permit, by  Federally recognized tribes, Commercial fishing interest, and the Bristol Bay sportfishing interest, the EPA undertook writing a the Bristol Bay Watershed Assessment. In May of 2012, EPA release the Draft Bristol Bay Watershed Assessment. This Assessment was then peer reviewed by a select group of scientists. The EPA has taken the recommendations of these scientists and is now rewriting the Draft Bristol Bay Watershed Assessment for a 30 day public comment period.

In short, your comments will influence whether the mine happens or not.

Highlights from the Draft Bristol Bay Watershed Assessment
- 46% of the global abundance of wild sockeye (37.5 million fish annually) are found in Bristol Bay.
- Nushagak River Chinook salmon run can reach over 200,000 fish.
- 35 fish species (all 5 species of Pacific Salmon Rainbow Trout, Dolly Varden, Grayling, Arctic Char, lake trout, and Northern pike), 190 bird species, 40 terrestrial species are potentially impacted.
- Direct loss of 55 to 85 miles of streams and 4 to 6.7 square miles of wetlands could result from Pebble.
- If all major claims were developed, a direct loss of 114 miles of stream and a 30 square miles of tailings storage facilities would result.
- Tailings spill would  eliminate 28% of the Nushagak Chinook run.
- Populations of Rainbow Trout and Dolly Varden could be lost for decades.

I consider this the most significant conservation of our time. If you value fishing and wild fish, it's worth learning more.

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from clinchknot wrote 50 weeks 6 days ago

I posted the comment made by the EPA guys themselves when assessing the threat the Pebble Mine project had on the Salmon Runs in the Bristol Bay area. The EPA's assesssment was.....Pebble Mine posed a 10,000 to ONE threat to the salmon runs....case closed for me. Way to many jobs, and boon to the economy to stop the project if the odds are 10,000 to ONE.

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from brownie76 wrote 50 weeks 6 days ago

clinchknot - Pebble would create create 1000 jobs and threaten 14,000 existing jobs in the fishing industry. Even without a major dam failure Pebble will wipe out 86 river miles and 4600 acres of wetlands - all of which are the nursery for bristol bay salmon. I'm not sure who you are talking to but Pebble is a risk any rational person - and 80% of the people who live in bristol bay - are not willing to take.

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from orelkkiller wrote 50 weeks 6 days ago

This project has to go. half the guys I fish with guide in Bristol Bay - this is bad deal for everyone, especially the last great salmon run in the world.
Comment and tell the EPA - I did. Pebble is a disaster of the 3 mile island love canal sort of mistake. It was ideas like this that formed the EPA in the first place.

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from clinchknot wrote 50 weeks 6 days ago

How is it bad for..."especially the last great salmon run in the world"? I just posted the odds presented by the EPA, and you do know the political slant of the EPA do you not?...and they say it is 10,000 to ONE! That is like saying there is NO RISK.

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from FlyDave wrote 50 weeks 6 days ago

You're going so far out of your way to be contrarian. clinchknot, you look stupid.

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from clinchknot wrote 50 weeks 5 days ago

Flydove, So are you denying the odds presented by the liberal EPA after they did their study? And you are just a liberal wonk tailwagging the environmentalist movement not able to factor in the danger yourself just following the Pide Piper.

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from upacreek333 wrote 50 weeks 5 days ago

Funny that you'll zero in on the odds of a disaster and ignore the 100-percent chance that almost 90 miles of salmon spawning habitat will be lost simply by the construction. Folks need to put their politics aside and start thinking on their own. Pebble is a boondoggle--at best, we'll get 1,000 jobs for 20-30 years, and then they'll be laid off when the poor-grade ore dries up... then they'll want to go back to fishing, only to discover that the fish are gone. Wake up and smell the reality. Unbelievable.

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from clinchknot wrote 50 weeks 5 days ago

upacreek333. That is not what I read in the EPA report. If that is true, and I question it since the EPA identified the construction as being 17 miles from the nearest salmon spawning river, that is another quesion. I'd have to have that validated. But as I see it, when the environmental movement says come aboard, most of you guys just jump aboard. And the EPA has been identified as a bigger threat to the health and welfare of this country than terrorism. They've severely shutdown our energy supply, and supported the Carbon Tax, but I don't want to get into that whole global warming thing again. But you are one that contests the fish will be gone at 10,000 to one odds. Math not your strong suit no doubt.

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from buckhunter wrote 50 weeks 5 days ago

Only a complete idiot would want an open pit mine in Bristol Bay.

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from clinchknot wrote 50 weeks 5 days ago

Only a complete idiot would attack the messenger rather than debating the facts. I read the EPA report on the mine, did you? You're the same folks that didn't want Alaska to drill in Anwar even given the facts regarding the drilling, and willing to deny the folks of Alaska the rewards of THEIR resources!

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from brownie76 wrote 50 weeks 5 days ago

Clinchknot - The EPA was invited into aslaska by local tribal leaders, commercial fishermen and sportsmen. You are clearly proficient with the Pebble Limited Partnerships talking points memo but your facts are not correct.

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from clinchknot wrote 50 weeks 5 days ago

The EPA does not need an invitation to go anywhere they want. They are a very powerful leftist organization. And what does that have to do with THEIR conclusions in THEIR report? I read their findings. Matter of fact I was a guide in the Bristol Bay area. I'd be embarrassed to say I was against providing the jobs, and benefiting the economy in the area knowing the odds of anything negative happening to the fishery were 10,000 to one! The EPA stated it would have to be an earthquake in that area to have any effect. And the jobs quoted by a poster were far off as well. There is a trickle down effect that benefits far more jobs than just those hired at the site.

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from BrookTrout wrote 50 weeks 5 days ago

The 1 in 10,000 chance is if all regulations and safety precautions are followed to the letter, and no human error occurs. The chance of that happening is pretty close to "0". I bet BP would have given you the same odds about drilling in the gulf. The bottom line seems to get in the way of doing the right thing. Even with the long shot odds if something goes all wrong then its game over, no do overs.

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from Jack Donachy wrote 50 weeks 5 days ago

Beware of anyone, on either side, posting "facts" they don't document. Clinchknot, how about providing us with the specific document and page we can look up on the web and go to in order to read the full context of your statement about 1 in 10,000 odds. For starters, are the odds you're talking about related only to tailing dams? And are the odds assessed on an annual basis? If so what about multiple dams over multiple years? Again, with everything so easy to document on the Internet, I for one am always skeptical of people making claims they won't take the extra few seconds required to prove.
And as someone else pointed out, Pebble Mine proponents who talk about what the EPA is "doing" to Alaskans make themselves look ignorant. Plenty of Alaskans - my wife and I for two - oppose this mine and are happy we have EPA oversight over these foreign-based mining companies like the Pebble Group.
But here's the real issue: Since when did keeping our water and air clean come to be seen as some sort of "left-wing" conspiracy?

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from ffsnuffy wrote 50 weeks 5 days ago

I feel that as stewatds. Of this earth, and the flora and fona on it we should take action to protect it from mining and other destruction. Recent articles state that by early as 2025 there will be no fish left or at at a very dangerous low. We need to protect habitats that are used for spawning of species. Other animals also depend on these fish as a food source. How many species could be lost if this mine is allowed to open? I shudder at the the thought of my children and future generations not being able to enjoy the great outdoors I love.

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from clinchknot wrote 50 weeks 4 days ago

Listen, I did all that documenting once. The EPA did state the odds were 10,000 to one. And the procedures the miners will have to take is incredibly expensive in order to remove all risks. And you can bet the liberals, the environmentalists will be right there monitoring every procedure. The big problem with environmentalists is they are ruled by emotion, and not facts. It is tear out every dam, mines are bad, we can't run the Keystone Pipeline through Nebraska because their are Indian burial grounds in Nebraska, forget the fact there are thousands of miles of pipeline already there...we can't drill in Anwar because Carabou pass through Anwar. You libs become nothing more than Obstructionists on virtually everything. Lies passed on regarding fraking poluting the ground water attempting to stop fraking. Then the facts come out, and even the Pennsylvania DEMOCRAT GOV. turns against the evnironmentalists realizing what an economic boom it provides his state. I was open to the facts on Pebble willing to go either way on the issue. I even called folks in Alaska to get their opinion. And on the emotional front?...take a gander at Buckhunters response to the subject "Is fly fishing a sport", and read his response. He made it a complete emotional reaction never mind what a commonsense person would say about defining fly fishing.

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from sa4ak wrote 50 weeks 4 days ago

I guess bear hunting guides, firearms manufacturers, and trophy hunters now qualify as lefties/liberals/obstructionists and whatever other moniker Mr. Clinch wants to throw at the overwhelming majority of sportsmen (now over 920 hunting and angling groups and businesses supporting EPA here) who think Pebble is simply the wrong idea in the wrong place. This issue has never been framed as anti-mining everywhere. It's all about protecting this one place from a horrifically bad idea that is bound to impact the culture and economic engine supported by the biggest wild salmon fishery on the planet.

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from clinchknot wrote 50 weeks 4 days ago

Everything is in the wrong place as I pointed out. You libs find something to obsruct any project. And not everyone for sure is a lib by opposing whatever, but many are. A snail Darter fish stopped a Tennessee Dam Project. A frog in California stopped a highway project. Carabou in Anwar helped to stop oil drilling in that vast desert wasteland. Sportsman need to make the connection between the cost of energy needed to get where they go hunting and fishing, and the minerals needed that provide the equipment they use. Then factor in the risks in a commonsense way of providing those essentials. 10,000 to one is no risk in my mind.

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from sa4ak wrote 50 weeks 4 days ago

Go start your own blog to rail about all those other issues and I'm sure you'll find some sympathetic replies. For the purposes of this post, on this issue you are so far out of the mainstream view of anglers and hunters. Done. Better ways to spend my day.

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from buckhunter wrote 50 weeks 4 days ago

The coolest things about the opposition to Pebble Mine is over 99% of the people who oppose the mine have never been there and will never visit Bristol Bay. They are total strangers whose only knowledge of Bristol Bay is limited to a few pictures in a magazine. A testament to the strong bond hunters and fisherman have to conservation.

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from wisc14 wrote 50 weeks 3 days ago

as usual clinchknot knows all and is never wrong. the rest of us on here are just tree spiking hippies who live and welfare and do not work.

almost every post i have seen from clinchknot is either negative or agrguementative... must be a pretty depressing way to live

i wonder how clinchknot would feel if this were happening in his backyard

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from wisc14 wrote 50 weeks 3 days ago

*arguementative

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from bberg7794 wrote 50 weeks 2 days ago

"Greatest wild salmon fishery on the planet" says it all! It's not like we can relocate this fishery if it becomes polluted.

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from ArtBrownSr wrote 49 weeks 4 days ago

@ Sa4Ak, Well said about WRONG MINE at the WRONG TIME! I hunt, fish, worked as a fish processor for 7 years including Bristal Bay/ Nushagak. I also am familiar with the coal mine of Healy and the Red Dog of Kotzebue! Each of these mine have their issues and have to be monitored and adjusted every so often. and they are NOT in as critical an area as the proposed Pebble Mine is! This old feller says NO to the Pebble mine!

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from Dangle wrote 49 weeks 2 days ago

wisc. I'm with clinch all the way given the predondrance of evidence as to the risk, and the rewards associated with business, and jobs the mine will create. And in "his back yard?" That's the gripe. We've got liberal environmentalists all over the map living everywhere, but in Alaska that want to prevent Alaskans from benefitting from their resources.

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from truckee trout wrote 49 weeks 15 hours ago

Pebble sucks no matter how you spin it. Its a lose lose deal.

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from truckee trout wrote 49 weeks 15 hours ago

Its not patriotic or in our nations best interest to allow a foreign corporation to rape our natural resources.

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from buckhunter wrote 50 weeks 5 days ago

Only a complete idiot would want an open pit mine in Bristol Bay.

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from brownie76 wrote 50 weeks 6 days ago

clinchknot - Pebble would create create 1000 jobs and threaten 14,000 existing jobs in the fishing industry. Even without a major dam failure Pebble will wipe out 86 river miles and 4600 acres of wetlands - all of which are the nursery for bristol bay salmon. I'm not sure who you are talking to but Pebble is a risk any rational person - and 80% of the people who live in bristol bay - are not willing to take.

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from orelkkiller wrote 50 weeks 6 days ago

This project has to go. half the guys I fish with guide in Bristol Bay - this is bad deal for everyone, especially the last great salmon run in the world.
Comment and tell the EPA - I did. Pebble is a disaster of the 3 mile island love canal sort of mistake. It was ideas like this that formed the EPA in the first place.

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from sa4ak wrote 50 weeks 4 days ago

I guess bear hunting guides, firearms manufacturers, and trophy hunters now qualify as lefties/liberals/obstructionists and whatever other moniker Mr. Clinch wants to throw at the overwhelming majority of sportsmen (now over 920 hunting and angling groups and businesses supporting EPA here) who think Pebble is simply the wrong idea in the wrong place. This issue has never been framed as anti-mining everywhere. It's all about protecting this one place from a horrifically bad idea that is bound to impact the culture and economic engine supported by the biggest wild salmon fishery on the planet.

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from FlyDave wrote 50 weeks 6 days ago

You're going so far out of your way to be contrarian. clinchknot, you look stupid.

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from upacreek333 wrote 50 weeks 5 days ago

Funny that you'll zero in on the odds of a disaster and ignore the 100-percent chance that almost 90 miles of salmon spawning habitat will be lost simply by the construction. Folks need to put their politics aside and start thinking on their own. Pebble is a boondoggle--at best, we'll get 1,000 jobs for 20-30 years, and then they'll be laid off when the poor-grade ore dries up... then they'll want to go back to fishing, only to discover that the fish are gone. Wake up and smell the reality. Unbelievable.

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from brownie76 wrote 50 weeks 5 days ago

Clinchknot - The EPA was invited into aslaska by local tribal leaders, commercial fishermen and sportsmen. You are clearly proficient with the Pebble Limited Partnerships talking points memo but your facts are not correct.

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from BrookTrout wrote 50 weeks 5 days ago

The 1 in 10,000 chance is if all regulations and safety precautions are followed to the letter, and no human error occurs. The chance of that happening is pretty close to "0". I bet BP would have given you the same odds about drilling in the gulf. The bottom line seems to get in the way of doing the right thing. Even with the long shot odds if something goes all wrong then its game over, no do overs.

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from Jack Donachy wrote 50 weeks 5 days ago

Beware of anyone, on either side, posting "facts" they don't document. Clinchknot, how about providing us with the specific document and page we can look up on the web and go to in order to read the full context of your statement about 1 in 10,000 odds. For starters, are the odds you're talking about related only to tailing dams? And are the odds assessed on an annual basis? If so what about multiple dams over multiple years? Again, with everything so easy to document on the Internet, I for one am always skeptical of people making claims they won't take the extra few seconds required to prove.
And as someone else pointed out, Pebble Mine proponents who talk about what the EPA is "doing" to Alaskans make themselves look ignorant. Plenty of Alaskans - my wife and I for two - oppose this mine and are happy we have EPA oversight over these foreign-based mining companies like the Pebble Group.
But here's the real issue: Since when did keeping our water and air clean come to be seen as some sort of "left-wing" conspiracy?

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from buckhunter wrote 50 weeks 4 days ago

The coolest things about the opposition to Pebble Mine is over 99% of the people who oppose the mine have never been there and will never visit Bristol Bay. They are total strangers whose only knowledge of Bristol Bay is limited to a few pictures in a magazine. A testament to the strong bond hunters and fisherman have to conservation.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from wisc14 wrote 50 weeks 3 days ago

as usual clinchknot knows all and is never wrong. the rest of us on here are just tree spiking hippies who live and welfare and do not work.

almost every post i have seen from clinchknot is either negative or agrguementative... must be a pretty depressing way to live

i wonder how clinchknot would feel if this were happening in his backyard

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from truckee trout wrote 49 weeks 15 hours ago

Pebble sucks no matter how you spin it. Its a lose lose deal.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from truckee trout wrote 49 weeks 15 hours ago

Its not patriotic or in our nations best interest to allow a foreign corporation to rape our natural resources.

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from clinchknot wrote 50 weeks 5 days ago

upacreek333. That is not what I read in the EPA report. If that is true, and I question it since the EPA identified the construction as being 17 miles from the nearest salmon spawning river, that is another quesion. I'd have to have that validated. But as I see it, when the environmental movement says come aboard, most of you guys just jump aboard. And the EPA has been identified as a bigger threat to the health and welfare of this country than terrorism. They've severely shutdown our energy supply, and supported the Carbon Tax, but I don't want to get into that whole global warming thing again. But you are one that contests the fish will be gone at 10,000 to one odds. Math not your strong suit no doubt.

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from ffsnuffy wrote 50 weeks 5 days ago

I feel that as stewatds. Of this earth, and the flora and fona on it we should take action to protect it from mining and other destruction. Recent articles state that by early as 2025 there will be no fish left or at at a very dangerous low. We need to protect habitats that are used for spawning of species. Other animals also depend on these fish as a food source. How many species could be lost if this mine is allowed to open? I shudder at the the thought of my children and future generations not being able to enjoy the great outdoors I love.

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from clinchknot wrote 50 weeks 4 days ago

Listen, I did all that documenting once. The EPA did state the odds were 10,000 to one. And the procedures the miners will have to take is incredibly expensive in order to remove all risks. And you can bet the liberals, the environmentalists will be right there monitoring every procedure. The big problem with environmentalists is they are ruled by emotion, and not facts. It is tear out every dam, mines are bad, we can't run the Keystone Pipeline through Nebraska because their are Indian burial grounds in Nebraska, forget the fact there are thousands of miles of pipeline already there...we can't drill in Anwar because Carabou pass through Anwar. You libs become nothing more than Obstructionists on virtually everything. Lies passed on regarding fraking poluting the ground water attempting to stop fraking. Then the facts come out, and even the Pennsylvania DEMOCRAT GOV. turns against the evnironmentalists realizing what an economic boom it provides his state. I was open to the facts on Pebble willing to go either way on the issue. I even called folks in Alaska to get their opinion. And on the emotional front?...take a gander at Buckhunters response to the subject "Is fly fishing a sport", and read his response. He made it a complete emotional reaction never mind what a commonsense person would say about defining fly fishing.

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from clinchknot wrote 50 weeks 4 days ago

Everything is in the wrong place as I pointed out. You libs find something to obsruct any project. And not everyone for sure is a lib by opposing whatever, but many are. A snail Darter fish stopped a Tennessee Dam Project. A frog in California stopped a highway project. Carabou in Anwar helped to stop oil drilling in that vast desert wasteland. Sportsman need to make the connection between the cost of energy needed to get where they go hunting and fishing, and the minerals needed that provide the equipment they use. Then factor in the risks in a commonsense way of providing those essentials. 10,000 to one is no risk in my mind.

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from sa4ak wrote 50 weeks 4 days ago

Go start your own blog to rail about all those other issues and I'm sure you'll find some sympathetic replies. For the purposes of this post, on this issue you are so far out of the mainstream view of anglers and hunters. Done. Better ways to spend my day.

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from wisc14 wrote 50 weeks 3 days ago

*arguementative

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from bberg7794 wrote 50 weeks 2 days ago

"Greatest wild salmon fishery on the planet" says it all! It's not like we can relocate this fishery if it becomes polluted.

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from ArtBrownSr wrote 49 weeks 4 days ago

@ Sa4Ak, Well said about WRONG MINE at the WRONG TIME! I hunt, fish, worked as a fish processor for 7 years including Bristal Bay/ Nushagak. I also am familiar with the coal mine of Healy and the Red Dog of Kotzebue! Each of these mine have their issues and have to be monitored and adjusted every so often. and they are NOT in as critical an area as the proposed Pebble Mine is! This old feller says NO to the Pebble mine!

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from Dangle wrote 49 weeks 2 days ago

wisc. I'm with clinch all the way given the predondrance of evidence as to the risk, and the rewards associated with business, and jobs the mine will create. And in "his back yard?" That's the gripe. We've got liberal environmentalists all over the map living everywhere, but in Alaska that want to prevent Alaskans from benefitting from their resources.

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from clinchknot wrote 50 weeks 5 days ago

Flydove, So are you denying the odds presented by the liberal EPA after they did their study? And you are just a liberal wonk tailwagging the environmentalist movement not able to factor in the danger yourself just following the Pide Piper.

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from clinchknot wrote 50 weeks 5 days ago

Only a complete idiot would attack the messenger rather than debating the facts. I read the EPA report on the mine, did you? You're the same folks that didn't want Alaska to drill in Anwar even given the facts regarding the drilling, and willing to deny the folks of Alaska the rewards of THEIR resources!

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from clinchknot wrote 50 weeks 6 days ago

How is it bad for..."especially the last great salmon run in the world"? I just posted the odds presented by the EPA, and you do know the political slant of the EPA do you not?...and they say it is 10,000 to ONE! That is like saying there is NO RISK.

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from clinchknot wrote 50 weeks 5 days ago

The EPA does not need an invitation to go anywhere they want. They are a very powerful leftist organization. And what does that have to do with THEIR conclusions in THEIR report? I read their findings. Matter of fact I was a guide in the Bristol Bay area. I'd be embarrassed to say I was against providing the jobs, and benefiting the economy in the area knowing the odds of anything negative happening to the fishery were 10,000 to one! The EPA stated it would have to be an earthquake in that area to have any effect. And the jobs quoted by a poster were far off as well. There is a trickle down effect that benefits far more jobs than just those hired at the site.

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from clinchknot wrote 50 weeks 6 days ago

I posted the comment made by the EPA guys themselves when assessing the threat the Pebble Mine project had on the Salmon Runs in the Bristol Bay area. The EPA's assesssment was.....Pebble Mine posed a 10,000 to ONE threat to the salmon runs....case closed for me. Way to many jobs, and boon to the economy to stop the project if the odds are 10,000 to ONE.

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