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May 17, 2013

Why Hockey Players Are Great Fly Anglers

By Kirk Deeter

I've been fortunate enough to have fished with many professional athletes in recent years. You'd be surprised by how many actually gravitate to fly fishing as a release from the rigors of playing sports under bright lights for a living.

I'll be honest though—some are way better than others when they put on waders, and I think that has to do with the dynamics of their professions. Golfers, for example, are usually really good fly anglers. After all, one could argue that fly fishing and golf are kindred pastimes, both born in Scotland centuries ago. It's all about planning the next move, and adapting to the current situation. The way the wheels spin in golfers' and anglers' minds are very similar, so it's not surprising to know that Tiger Woods, Mark O'Meara, Nick Price, and Davis Love III (among many others) are all avid anglers.

Football players? Not so much. They play on a static grid, and their game is all about force, muscle, and executing things that can be planned. Basketball players typically aren't so hot with fly fishing either, though I will say it's humbling to watch a 6-foot-9-inch person high stick a nymph run. They can cover water in ways you or I might only dream about.

Baseball players tend to be really good fishermen. Particularly the pitchers. Believe it or not, there's a resource for MLB players that tells them where to fish on the layover days, for every city, during the long season. A lot of them are southern boys anyway, so they have a natural affinity for fishing. Thing is, the pitchers think about casting flies with the same intensity they think about throwing a 3-2 splitter, so they're all about the cast, and they're usually very, very accurate.

But I have to tell you, hockey players tend to be the best anglers of the lot. I couldn't figure that out for a long time. I mean, having played a little hockey myself, I realize just how physical that sport is. But it's also very mental. And the crux of the issue is that great hockey players don't focus on where things are happening... they have an innate ability to know where things are going to happen. These guys also typically are born and bred in "fishy" places, like Minnesota, Michigan, Sweden, Russia, and, of course, Canada. They handle sticks for a living, so they know how to use an instrument (like a fly rod) to play a game. They typically have immaculate hand-eye coordination skills. But most importantly, I've decided, hockey is a fluid game, and so too, is fly fishing. It's all about anticipation and reaction.  

Granted, I'm from the North, and I have a natural affinity for hockey, which I think is the most beautiful game of all (followed closely by baseball, then golf). It's why I felt obliged to plant a kiss on the statue of "Mr. Hockey" (Gordie Howe) when I made my last trip through Saskatoon (pictured here).  

But if you want to plan a throw-down fly-fishing contest with professional athletes, and I get to captain a team, I'm going to choose my squad from within the ranks of current or former NHL players.  You can have MLB, the PGA, the NBA, and the PGA, combined... and I'm pretty sure my team would win.

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from treelimit wrote 4 weeks 12 hours ago

I'm not going to argue the hockey player angle with you because on balance, you're right. But it is interesting to note that the best, bar none, fly angler from another professional sport (as well as one of the best ever, full stop) is Teddy Ballgame.

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from Dangle wrote 4 weeks 12 hours ago

Hockey players can judge the wind much better than other athletes...the breeze can be felt blowing between the gaps in their teeth.

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from buckhunter wrote 4 weeks 9 hours ago

This post is un-American and will no doubt land Deeter on an FBI watch list. Hockey better than baseball?... You've fallen and hit your head.

Baseball players make better 2 sport athletes due to the passive nature of the game. Unless you are a pitcher or a catcher, you are not tired after a game or practice which allows you to pursue other things.

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 6 days ago

The spectators are not passive. Not me after those lousy Cleveland Indians beat my Seattle Mariners in Xtra innings last nite! And how many local yokuls showed up to watch dem bums? 74,000 was it! Did Cleveland hold beer nite again?!

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from LostLure wrote 3 weeks 6 days ago

Us northern boys love hockey and idolize Gordie Howe

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 6 days ago

I'd rather idolize those Canucks with the KOOOOL names like Andre' (the rocket) Richard. Sounds a whole lot better than Gordie Howe. Gordie sounds like a kid that sat in the front row of his class with his hand up all the time.

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from Koldkut wrote 3 weeks 6 days ago

Here here to Hockey! Then soccer, it's as close to hockey's mentality and play/field movement, can't say I've fish with any soccer guys, but I know when I couldn't find any hockey pickup games, I headed to the soccer field.

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 6 days ago

By far, and away the best fly anglers are ping-pong players. I know because I was a good ping-pong player. Game, set, match!

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from tritonrider wrote 3 weeks 6 days ago

Lost; gotta love Gordy, but I'd have to take an Ontario boy, Mr. Robert Gordon Orr.

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from LostLure wrote 3 weeks 4 days ago

Bobby Orr, another hockey legend

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from tkbone wrote 3 weeks 4 days ago

Don't agree with your assessment of basketball players as potential fly fishermen. While throwing up some jumpers in the driveway yesterday it occurred to me that Steve Nash, Stephen and Dell Curry, Ray Allen, and other great shooters would easily pick up fly fishing. Great hand-eye coordination and thousands of hours developing the perfect rhythm and release.

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 4 days ago

Most all athletes, especially the ones that have played multiple sports could easily be good fly anglers. They've got the entire package, and especially the mental approach to staying focus on the task at hand.

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from buckhunter wrote 3 weeks 4 days ago

Going back to some of the outstanding fly fisherman I have known over the years, two of them were veterans of major combat and one was a piano player. He was no slouch, he traveled with the big bands of the 40's and 50's. I rarely find anybody in this new-wave of fly fisherman (2000-present) who impresses me. Maybe I'm just old and cranky.

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 4 days ago

Buck..you are so old you walk the beaches, and through the woods not even flyfishing, but believing you did. That's senile old. And you don't seem to know how one connects loop to loops properly as well.

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from buckhunter wrote 3 weeks 4 days ago

Dangle, You would have been proud of me this weekend. Had the bass boat out in the heavy winds and high waves casting a 10 ft 7wt to bass. Extreme fishing at it's best. I might be old but I still do dumb things.

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 4 days ago

That kinda stuff almost got me killed last year. Talked to my old fishing buddy I hadn't heard from in over a year, and he did a dumb stunt wading a river that almost claimed his life. I slowed down, and now try to think things over first. You were out in Lake Erie? Fishin off that Marble Head Light House again? 10 ft flyrods are not that easy to cast, and can give you tennis elbow because of their length.

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from buckhunter wrote 3 weeks 4 days ago

If my arm gives out it's because I shoot a longbow everyday.

I like fishing 10 footers from my kayak. It helps keep my line off the water.

Have not fished Marblehead yet this year but have hopes of doing so soon.

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from Carl Huber wrote 3 weeks 4 days ago

I cannot comment on Fly fishing. But I have known 7 NHL players and one Hall of Fame. My oldest played on a travel and prep school leagues that were National and State champs. The amount of hand eye coordination and physicality needed to play the game is mind boggling. Players skate at 25-30 MPH carrying a puck on the end of a 5 foot stick. An open ice hit is doubled that 25 MPH. Pucks reach a speed of 80-100 MPH. Goalies routinely loose 10 LBS per game. They play 82 games in the regular season. Then the play offs.
So after all that waving a stick with a fly on a string is no great shakes
One more thing like I said I haveknown a few of them personally and several have coached my son and their own boys. They are the type of athlete that has long disappeared from America. Their autograph is not worth as much as other athletes mainly because they will stop and sign anything for any child. N@rcotics, steri0ds and beating their girl friend is unheard of.

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from JohnnyDeadly wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

I am a Salmon Fly Fishing guide up in Canada. I will agree Hockey players have great hand eye.... But there is a one Legend up here on the Beautiful Miramachi River everyone knows of. He isnt a hockey Player, he isnt even Canadian. All my life Ive heard stories of a man who could throw a fly clear across the large river. Left fielder Ted Williams, apparently he was a avid Flyfisher who returned year after year to fish the Salmon.
https://vimeo.com/6694640#

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

I would have guessed the "Spendid Splinter" since I knew he fished the Miramachi River. But it doesn't take a Ted Williams to be an excellent caster/fly angler. It takes a commitment, and time on the water. The motor skill of casting doesn't take that much time to learn. Reading water, and what to focus on takes far more time, and that just takes time, and a commitment. I was a freshwater guide for years for everything from Salmon/steelhead to rainbows, and cutthroat trout, and the best I ever fished with was a basketball player from Davidson Univ., a starting guard in his day, and ORIENTALS! I don't think I EVER fished an ORIENTAL that wasn't an exceptional fly angler...their focus is beyond good. Where they are focused on their line, and presentation, and not blinking, an American caucasian is trying to cast, and drink a beer at the same time.

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from buckhunter wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

A couple years ago the Ted Williams family auctioned off some of his personal items including his personal fly fishing gear. I had my eye on his fly tying desk. The desk was all beat up and warn from years of abuse but I missed the auction and it went for a paltry $2500. Still kicking myself.

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from buckhunter wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

...worn...

Funny the mistakes I make when not wearing reading glasses.

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

I have a tying desk signed by Mike Lawson...good enough for me. Cost me about $40 He signed it when I bought it, and I bought his book "Spring Creek" that is as informative a book on trout fishing as I have ever read.

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from MattM37 wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

Dangle, The Rocket was Maurice Richard, not Andre. Actually, I shouldn't say "was" since he might still be alive; I think I saw him the last time Hockey Night in Canada had one of their old-timer tributes before a game.

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from MattM37 wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

Nope, I just checked Wikipedia and The Rocket died in 2000.

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from treelimit wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

Yeah, on both counts Buck. I think Ted's surviving daughter finally decided to empty out a storage space with all kinds of stuff. I missed it too.

And regarding not wearing glasses, typos are a bummer but not nearly the bummer of thinking you are cinching a knot only to watch your fly, hardware, hook, rig etc fall to the ground (or into the water).

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from buckhunter wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

Tree, Age certainly adds obstacles to the fly fisherman's day. I should write a book of suggestions for the aged fly fisher. Tips on how to get your waders down before peeing your pants or how to tie a knot by feel alone.

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

Matt! Thank you for the correction! I have said that hockey players name over, and over to myself over time liking the name besides his outstanding play. I should have known better! I know little about the rules of hockey, and never watch a game during the season. But get into the playoffs like they are now?....I watch! I luv the spirit of competition, and the Stanley Cup brings all of that out.

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from CoyoteHunter wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

Perhaps I should try my hand at fly fishing? And speaking of playoffs, Dangle, I gotta feeling the Red Wings/Blackhawks series is gonna be a good one! Nothing like a classic series between some of the original six.

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from kirkdeeter wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

I have to weigh in here... Mr. Hockey is "Mr. Hockey" for a reason. Nobody played the complete game like Gordie. Yet maybe this will get me off buck's watch list, so I have to agree... the greatest non-fishing athlete to ever fly fish, by all the accounts I have heard... including from guide Bill Curtis in the Keys... was Ted Williams. They say he could see the seams rotate on an incoming fastball. And they say he had that same intuitive power when it came to casting and catching fish. I've heard it so often, from so many places, I cannot doubt it as absolute truth.

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 2 days ago

So you think he was the greatest..Ted Williams, without knowing the thousands upon thousands of athletes that have participated in fly fishing without knowing almost all of them. Incredible how the mind works. If you want Ted Williams to be the best go for it. Folks need that in their lives I guess.

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from buckhunter wrote 3 weeks 2 days ago

Dangle, One of these days I going to figure out why you have an ax to grind with Deeter. Until then I'm just going to assume "folks just need that in their lives".

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 1 day ago

I'll eliminate your quandry. Deeter makes unsubstantiated
statements as if they were fact, and then is to sheepish to attempt to support them. He says he had to pipe in and validate that Ted Williams was the greatest sports figure fly fisherman. At best, Ted was a Hall of Fame baseball player that was a good fly angler, and the fly fishing community is happy to accept, and recognize him as one of us. But remember Williams was an average in the field at best. He ran poorly, and they stuck him out in left field where he could play the short field next to the big wall in Fenway, and not have to make the long throw playing in right field, attempting to stop runners from going from first to third. Williams was criticized by journalists like Deeter for his fielding in left, and Williams was known to have spit on the Deeter types that tried to interview him. So Williams was not a great athlete like a Willy Mays for example, and to assume that he would naturally be the best fly angler because of his athleticism is foolhearty. Williams was a great hitter. Deeter just brought up connecting loop to loops, and didn't even have the knowledge it appears to tell listeners how to even properly connect loop to loops.

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from buckhunter wrote 3 weeks 1 day ago

I believe Deeter's comparison of athletes from different sports was designed to spark friendly debate among the bloggers and nothing else. F&S.com is designed to entertain the reader while offering some technical instruction. Deeter is perfectly capable of writing volumes of technical jargon but that is not the purpose of this site and not what his Editor's want.

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from treelimit wrote 3 weeks 22 hours ago

Dangle, you reason like a guy who can only read if it's out loud and I'm left to assume that the incoherence of your argument is from the resulting cloud of Polident.

Williams is considered the greatest, inter alia as a fly angler because he fished for everything with everybody everywhere over many decades in the kinds of places where people know the difference. Is it possible that somewhere in some insular, Tasaday-like backwater there resides the Jimmy Chitwood of fly anglers (who also happens to be pro at something else), capable of nicking a pimple on a flea's tit from 60 feet whilst blindfolded after a goblet of hard cider AND that no one's heard of? Sure, it's possible. But very unlikely.

If you disagree re: Williams, name another pro athlete regarded by those in the know, those within the fly fishing community, who is considered a superior angler, rather than continually hopping the curb every time you try to park.

Deeter,

You should look up our old TV color man in Buffalo, Jim Lorentz. He took up the sport while playing for the Sabres and eventually became so obsessed with Atlantic Salmon it hastened his retirement so that he wouldn't have to leave Nova Scotia during the best runs. I believe he also authored a book on the subject. Great guy, too.

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from Dangle wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

For Buckhunter's info..Of course Deeter brought up the topic just for discussion. And to say Ted Williams is the best is foolhearty in my opinion of course, because there is no critiria to judge anyone as the best fly angler. Williams is a Hall of Famer we are proud to accept as a flyfiserman. And I did describe Williams very accurately.
For treelimits answer as to who I think is the best athlete/flyfisherman...and it would be foolhearty again to say he is the best, but....and based on what I know about athletes I would say golfers have more credible flyfisherman in their sport, and Andy Mills, the Olympic Skier is the best fly angler. Mills has spent countless hours flyfishing for one thing. He lived and often fly fished in the Rocky Mt. region. Mills had his own fly fishing show as an athlete/celebrity fly fisherman, AND. Sports Illustrated wrote an article on Mills as the very best Tarpon Fisherman on the highly competitive Tarpon Tournament Trail. Mills is driven to be the best Tarpon fisherman from hooking big taron to landing big tarpon. If I am not mistaken Deeter may have even interviewed Mills, and his prowess as a Tarpon Angler. I attempted to bring up Mills on Rimano's Florida Tarpon subject, but Rimano posts "who cares?..no one cares" But back to the loop to loop thing! One poster posted what a great subject it was. Why? Because of the info provided that anglers can actually use! Deeter pointed out the problems he had with loop to loop connections in the past. One of the major problems is how you connect your looped leader to the looped flyline!!! Why not offer that info? Let's get some meaningful discussions on this thread, and not just what Buckhunter says is the reason he reads them...because of the humorous posts. It is like pulling teeth to provide good info to anglers that could benefit from good info on this thread. Wazzup with that?

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from buckhunter wrote 2 weeks 5 days ago

Dangle, check out this months magazine for your loop to loop answer.

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from Dangle wrote 2 weeks 5 days ago

Buck..I know the answer. You'd think a lot of newbies, or anyone that has done it the unpreferred way would welcome the information. This site is a real headshaker. And it deals with why some loops haven't held up. I just brought it up as an important aspect when you consider using loop to loop connections. No one seemed to care, as Rimano says. Deeter creates the opportunity, then the ball gets dropped. Kinda like my Seattle Mariners are playing right now. Any wonder why there is such a low percentage of good fly anglers around?

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from buckhunter wrote 2 weeks 4 days ago

I'm not very good at golf but I still enjoy it...

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from Dangle wrote 2 weeks 4 days ago

This week is the Memorial Golf Tourney in Dublin, OH. Jack Nicklaus' designed course, and Jack is a member..I got to play a round of golf on the course, so it will be very special for me watching the tournament. Back when I played the course the city was called Upper Arlington. And how good ae today's players? Incredibly accurate, and able to hit it long, and straight. Most now have physical trainers brought on by Tiger Woods, and his super athleticism. You can imagine how they can be good fly anglers...Mark O'Mera, David Duvall. Duvall was used in Caba'les' ads in their catalog.

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from Koldkut wrote 3 weeks 6 days ago

Here here to Hockey! Then soccer, it's as close to hockey's mentality and play/field movement, can't say I've fish with any soccer guys, but I know when I couldn't find any hockey pickup games, I headed to the soccer field.

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from treelimit wrote 4 weeks 12 hours ago

I'm not going to argue the hockey player angle with you because on balance, you're right. But it is interesting to note that the best, bar none, fly angler from another professional sport (as well as one of the best ever, full stop) is Teddy Ballgame.

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from Dangle wrote 4 weeks 12 hours ago

Hockey players can judge the wind much better than other athletes...the breeze can be felt blowing between the gaps in their teeth.

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from buckhunter wrote 4 weeks 9 hours ago

This post is un-American and will no doubt land Deeter on an FBI watch list. Hockey better than baseball?... You've fallen and hit your head.

Baseball players make better 2 sport athletes due to the passive nature of the game. Unless you are a pitcher or a catcher, you are not tired after a game or practice which allows you to pursue other things.

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from buckhunter wrote 3 weeks 4 days ago

Going back to some of the outstanding fly fisherman I have known over the years, two of them were veterans of major combat and one was a piano player. He was no slouch, he traveled with the big bands of the 40's and 50's. I rarely find anybody in this new-wave of fly fisherman (2000-present) who impresses me. Maybe I'm just old and cranky.

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from buckhunter wrote 3 weeks 4 days ago

Dangle, You would have been proud of me this weekend. Had the bass boat out in the heavy winds and high waves casting a 10 ft 7wt to bass. Extreme fishing at it's best. I might be old but I still do dumb things.

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from buckhunter wrote 3 weeks 4 days ago

If my arm gives out it's because I shoot a longbow everyday.

I like fishing 10 footers from my kayak. It helps keep my line off the water.

Have not fished Marblehead yet this year but have hopes of doing so soon.

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from buckhunter wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

A couple years ago the Ted Williams family auctioned off some of his personal items including his personal fly fishing gear. I had my eye on his fly tying desk. The desk was all beat up and warn from years of abuse but I missed the auction and it went for a paltry $2500. Still kicking myself.

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from buckhunter wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

...worn...

Funny the mistakes I make when not wearing reading glasses.

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from buckhunter wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

Tree, Age certainly adds obstacles to the fly fisherman's day. I should write a book of suggestions for the aged fly fisher. Tips on how to get your waders down before peeing your pants or how to tie a knot by feel alone.

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from CoyoteHunter wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

Perhaps I should try my hand at fly fishing? And speaking of playoffs, Dangle, I gotta feeling the Red Wings/Blackhawks series is gonna be a good one! Nothing like a classic series between some of the original six.

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from tkbone wrote 3 weeks 4 days ago

Don't agree with your assessment of basketball players as potential fly fishermen. While throwing up some jumpers in the driveway yesterday it occurred to me that Steve Nash, Stephen and Dell Curry, Ray Allen, and other great shooters would easily pick up fly fishing. Great hand-eye coordination and thousands of hours developing the perfect rhythm and release.

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from Carl Huber wrote 3 weeks 4 days ago

I cannot comment on Fly fishing. But I have known 7 NHL players and one Hall of Fame. My oldest played on a travel and prep school leagues that were National and State champs. The amount of hand eye coordination and physicality needed to play the game is mind boggling. Players skate at 25-30 MPH carrying a puck on the end of a 5 foot stick. An open ice hit is doubled that 25 MPH. Pucks reach a speed of 80-100 MPH. Goalies routinely loose 10 LBS per game. They play 82 games in the regular season. Then the play offs.
So after all that waving a stick with a fly on a string is no great shakes
One more thing like I said I haveknown a few of them personally and several have coached my son and their own boys. They are the type of athlete that has long disappeared from America. Their autograph is not worth as much as other athletes mainly because they will stop and sign anything for any child. N@rcotics, steri0ds and beating their girl friend is unheard of.

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from JohnnyDeadly wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

I am a Salmon Fly Fishing guide up in Canada. I will agree Hockey players have great hand eye.... But there is a one Legend up here on the Beautiful Miramachi River everyone knows of. He isnt a hockey Player, he isnt even Canadian. All my life Ive heard stories of a man who could throw a fly clear across the large river. Left fielder Ted Williams, apparently he was a avid Flyfisher who returned year after year to fish the Salmon.
https://vimeo.com/6694640#

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from tritonrider wrote 3 weeks 6 days ago

Lost; gotta love Gordy, but I'd have to take an Ontario boy, Mr. Robert Gordon Orr.

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from LostLure wrote 3 weeks 6 days ago

Us northern boys love hockey and idolize Gordie Howe

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from LostLure wrote 3 weeks 4 days ago

Bobby Orr, another hockey legend

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from MattM37 wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

Dangle, The Rocket was Maurice Richard, not Andre. Actually, I shouldn't say "was" since he might still be alive; I think I saw him the last time Hockey Night in Canada had one of their old-timer tributes before a game.

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from MattM37 wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

Nope, I just checked Wikipedia and The Rocket died in 2000.

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from treelimit wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

Yeah, on both counts Buck. I think Ted's surviving daughter finally decided to empty out a storage space with all kinds of stuff. I missed it too.

And regarding not wearing glasses, typos are a bummer but not nearly the bummer of thinking you are cinching a knot only to watch your fly, hardware, hook, rig etc fall to the ground (or into the water).

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 6 days ago

The spectators are not passive. Not me after those lousy Cleveland Indians beat my Seattle Mariners in Xtra innings last nite! And how many local yokuls showed up to watch dem bums? 74,000 was it! Did Cleveland hold beer nite again?!

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 6 days ago

I'd rather idolize those Canucks with the KOOOOL names like Andre' (the rocket) Richard. Sounds a whole lot better than Gordie Howe. Gordie sounds like a kid that sat in the front row of his class with his hand up all the time.

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 6 days ago

By far, and away the best fly anglers are ping-pong players. I know because I was a good ping-pong player. Game, set, match!

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 4 days ago

Most all athletes, especially the ones that have played multiple sports could easily be good fly anglers. They've got the entire package, and especially the mental approach to staying focus on the task at hand.

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 4 days ago

That kinda stuff almost got me killed last year. Talked to my old fishing buddy I hadn't heard from in over a year, and he did a dumb stunt wading a river that almost claimed his life. I slowed down, and now try to think things over first. You were out in Lake Erie? Fishin off that Marble Head Light House again? 10 ft flyrods are not that easy to cast, and can give you tennis elbow because of their length.

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

I would have guessed the "Spendid Splinter" since I knew he fished the Miramachi River. But it doesn't take a Ted Williams to be an excellent caster/fly angler. It takes a commitment, and time on the water. The motor skill of casting doesn't take that much time to learn. Reading water, and what to focus on takes far more time, and that just takes time, and a commitment. I was a freshwater guide for years for everything from Salmon/steelhead to rainbows, and cutthroat trout, and the best I ever fished with was a basketball player from Davidson Univ., a starting guard in his day, and ORIENTALS! I don't think I EVER fished an ORIENTAL that wasn't an exceptional fly angler...their focus is beyond good. Where they are focused on their line, and presentation, and not blinking, an American caucasian is trying to cast, and drink a beer at the same time.

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

I have a tying desk signed by Mike Lawson...good enough for me. Cost me about $40 He signed it when I bought it, and I bought his book "Spring Creek" that is as informative a book on trout fishing as I have ever read.

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

Matt! Thank you for the correction! I have said that hockey players name over, and over to myself over time liking the name besides his outstanding play. I should have known better! I know little about the rules of hockey, and never watch a game during the season. But get into the playoffs like they are now?....I watch! I luv the spirit of competition, and the Stanley Cup brings all of that out.

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from kirkdeeter wrote 3 weeks 3 days ago

I have to weigh in here... Mr. Hockey is "Mr. Hockey" for a reason. Nobody played the complete game like Gordie. Yet maybe this will get me off buck's watch list, so I have to agree... the greatest non-fishing athlete to ever fly fish, by all the accounts I have heard... including from guide Bill Curtis in the Keys... was Ted Williams. They say he could see the seams rotate on an incoming fastball. And they say he had that same intuitive power when it came to casting and catching fish. I've heard it so often, from so many places, I cannot doubt it as absolute truth.

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from buckhunter wrote 3 weeks 2 days ago

Dangle, One of these days I going to figure out why you have an ax to grind with Deeter. Until then I'm just going to assume "folks just need that in their lives".

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from buckhunter wrote 3 weeks 1 day ago

I believe Deeter's comparison of athletes from different sports was designed to spark friendly debate among the bloggers and nothing else. F&S.com is designed to entertain the reader while offering some technical instruction. Deeter is perfectly capable of writing volumes of technical jargon but that is not the purpose of this site and not what his Editor's want.

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from buckhunter wrote 2 weeks 5 days ago

Dangle, check out this months magazine for your loop to loop answer.

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from buckhunter wrote 2 weeks 4 days ago

I'm not very good at golf but I still enjoy it...

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from treelimit wrote 3 weeks 22 hours ago

Dangle, you reason like a guy who can only read if it's out loud and I'm left to assume that the incoherence of your argument is from the resulting cloud of Polident.

Williams is considered the greatest, inter alia as a fly angler because he fished for everything with everybody everywhere over many decades in the kinds of places where people know the difference. Is it possible that somewhere in some insular, Tasaday-like backwater there resides the Jimmy Chitwood of fly anglers (who also happens to be pro at something else), capable of nicking a pimple on a flea's tit from 60 feet whilst blindfolded after a goblet of hard cider AND that no one's heard of? Sure, it's possible. But very unlikely.

If you disagree re: Williams, name another pro athlete regarded by those in the know, those within the fly fishing community, who is considered a superior angler, rather than continually hopping the curb every time you try to park.

Deeter,

You should look up our old TV color man in Buffalo, Jim Lorentz. He took up the sport while playing for the Sabres and eventually became so obsessed with Atlantic Salmon it hastened his retirement so that he wouldn't have to leave Nova Scotia during the best runs. I believe he also authored a book on the subject. Great guy, too.

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 4 days ago

Buck..you are so old you walk the beaches, and through the woods not even flyfishing, but believing you did. That's senile old. And you don't seem to know how one connects loop to loops properly as well.

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 2 days ago

So you think he was the greatest..Ted Williams, without knowing the thousands upon thousands of athletes that have participated in fly fishing without knowing almost all of them. Incredible how the mind works. If you want Ted Williams to be the best go for it. Folks need that in their lives I guess.

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from Dangle wrote 3 weeks 1 day ago

I'll eliminate your quandry. Deeter makes unsubstantiated
statements as if they were fact, and then is to sheepish to attempt to support them. He says he had to pipe in and validate that Ted Williams was the greatest sports figure fly fisherman. At best, Ted was a Hall of Fame baseball player that was a good fly angler, and the fly fishing community is happy to accept, and recognize him as one of us. But remember Williams was an average in the field at best. He ran poorly, and they stuck him out in left field where he could play the short field next to the big wall in Fenway, and not have to make the long throw playing in right field, attempting to stop runners from going from first to third. Williams was criticized by journalists like Deeter for his fielding in left, and Williams was known to have spit on the Deeter types that tried to interview him. So Williams was not a great athlete like a Willy Mays for example, and to assume that he would naturally be the best fly angler because of his athleticism is foolhearty. Williams was a great hitter. Deeter just brought up connecting loop to loops, and didn't even have the knowledge it appears to tell listeners how to even properly connect loop to loops.

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from Dangle wrote 2 weeks 6 days ago

For Buckhunter's info..Of course Deeter brought up the topic just for discussion. And to say Ted Williams is the best is foolhearty in my opinion of course, because there is no critiria to judge anyone as the best fly angler. Williams is a Hall of Famer we are proud to accept as a flyfiserman. And I did describe Williams very accurately.
For treelimits answer as to who I think is the best athlete/flyfisherman...and it would be foolhearty again to say he is the best, but....and based on what I know about athletes I would say golfers have more credible flyfisherman in their sport, and Andy Mills, the Olympic Skier is the best fly angler. Mills has spent countless hours flyfishing for one thing. He lived and often fly fished in the Rocky Mt. region. Mills had his own fly fishing show as an athlete/celebrity fly fisherman, AND. Sports Illustrated wrote an article on Mills as the very best Tarpon Fisherman on the highly competitive Tarpon Tournament Trail. Mills is driven to be the best Tarpon fisherman from hooking big taron to landing big tarpon. If I am not mistaken Deeter may have even interviewed Mills, and his prowess as a Tarpon Angler. I attempted to bring up Mills on Rimano's Florida Tarpon subject, but Rimano posts "who cares?..no one cares" But back to the loop to loop thing! One poster posted what a great subject it was. Why? Because of the info provided that anglers can actually use! Deeter pointed out the problems he had with loop to loop connections in the past. One of the major problems is how you connect your looped leader to the looped flyline!!! Why not offer that info? Let's get some meaningful discussions on this thread, and not just what Buckhunter says is the reason he reads them...because of the humorous posts. It is like pulling teeth to provide good info to anglers that could benefit from good info on this thread. Wazzup with that?

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from Dangle wrote 2 weeks 5 days ago

Buck..I know the answer. You'd think a lot of newbies, or anyone that has done it the unpreferred way would welcome the information. This site is a real headshaker. And it deals with why some loops haven't held up. I just brought it up as an important aspect when you consider using loop to loop connections. No one seemed to care, as Rimano says. Deeter creates the opportunity, then the ball gets dropped. Kinda like my Seattle Mariners are playing right now. Any wonder why there is such a low percentage of good fly anglers around?

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from Dangle wrote 2 weeks 4 days ago

This week is the Memorial Golf Tourney in Dublin, OH. Jack Nicklaus' designed course, and Jack is a member..I got to play a round of golf on the course, so it will be very special for me watching the tournament. Back when I played the course the city was called Upper Arlington. And how good ae today's players? Incredibly accurate, and able to hit it long, and straight. Most now have physical trainers brought on by Tiger Woods, and his super athleticism. You can imagine how they can be good fly anglers...Mark O'Mera, David Duvall. Duvall was used in Caba'les' ads in their catalog.

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