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March 23, 2009

Bourjaily: Good News from Remington

By Philip Bourjaily

Take a look at the 2009 Remington catalog. What’s missing? Imports. After a brand-diluting dalliance with cheap Russian Baikal guns, reasonably nice Italian O/Us and Serbian Mausers, Remington once again is only selling guns made in the USA.

Now, I have nothing against the inexpensive and solidly made Baikal guns, outside of the fact that they have the heft and liveliness of truck axles. I kind of liked the Premier O/Us, although there wasn’t anything about them to set them apart from all the other Italian O/Us in their price range. Serbian Mausers are out of my area, but I understand they were okay. Whatever merits these guns may have had, though, none of them were Remingtons and they didn’t belong.

I called one of my friends at Remington for an explanation. He told me: “We had to get rid of the Russian guns because they competed directly with our H&R guns which we will continue to make in the United States.”

Remington, of course, was acquired by Cerberus Capital Management in 2007, which already owned Bushmaster at the time and has since added H&R, Marlin, Bushmaster, DPMS and EOTAC, as well as the Parker and LC Smith brands.

Given that many speculated that that the new owners would take all Remington’s production offshore, this seems like a good, if preliminary, indication to the contrary.
And,  I can only hope the Premier O/U line was cleared out to make room for a revived 3200, but I’m not holding my breath.

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from Beekeeper wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Great news indeed! The Remington catalog had begun to look more like an importer rummage sale than what we have been used to. As far as the Serbian Mausers go, Remington sold them for far more than anyone who had previously imported them did. They also didn't bother to bring in the left hand versions, a snub that offended me greatly...

I'm sure we will see more interesting things from H&Remlinmaster in the near future. Here is hoping it is good! Phil, don't turn blue waiting for the 3200...

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from Mark-1 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Big Green Father is a weasel. I hate to think of the discontinued models out there lacking parts. Now you can add more to the list. E.g. A magazine clip for a Viper 22 costs half as much as the rifle presently…when you can find them.

I liked Remington’s 798 line of Mauser rifles. The actions were in need of polish to lessen drag, but these are solid rifles for the price, especially the 458 and 375 African models IMHO. I have a preference for Mauser actions on big dangerous game rifles.

I thought the SPR shotguns had horrible stocks and I looked long and hard at the extractors. I never did take one apart to check the innards.

I saw one Premier O/U that looked OK and I never saw it malfunction for the owner, but I thought it was terribly overpriced for the fit and finish. BTW Remington should buy back the Model 32 license from Krieghoff if it wants to manufacture a target O/U again. It’s had bad luck with its 3200 and the Premier models.

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Happiness begins at home. I'd much rather buy products made by my countrymen and keep the revenue here. In this economy we should now more than ever.

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from MLH wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Cerberus also owns Chrysler and a good part of GMAC. Let's hope Remington and the other gun companies in their care stay profitable so they will continue to be around for a long time. Speaking of profit, did their prices go up since last year?

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from remchuck wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

i hated the trend of firearm manufacturers prostituting their name on imported guns.i'm glad big green has discontinued this practice.i also despise knife companies names on knives made in china.it makes one proud to own ruger guns and case knives;always made in U.S.A.

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from The Armchair Ou... wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

What will they do now with all those T-34 hull scraps that were going into the Baikal guns? Solid? Monolithic is more like it. I'd like to have one of the old pre-Rem ones just in case I need a double that will still fire after being run over by a tracked vehicle. Seriously, I don't think my high-zoot handloads could put the barrels off the face on one of those things.

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from s-kfry wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Good to see a company with a long American heritage moving jobs back into the country, we sure need it right now.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

This does seem like GOOD NEWS, and I hope it is! I have not been a fan of import guns, but admit I had purchased an O/U KAHN made shotgun in the $300 range that has served me well for over 8 years now. Decent quality for the money, turkish walnut stock, and selective trigger.

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from jjas wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Hopefully Remington's new 887 will be a success and perhaps the 105cti will even be redesigned and back on sale.

I say this as the last two Remington's I've purchased had quality issues and I know the company is capable of more than I've seen as of late.

Jim

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from Mark-1 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I've not impressed with Remington quality since '91. The stock material went south, and the internal metal work on their shotguns needed a couple of hours polishing. Disgusting considering what a person pays for a Remington Shotgun or Rifle.

I love the old 1100 even though it's noisy [bang-clack. bang-clack]. Think the 11-87's a lousy handling, heavy shotgun. That 105cti stock looks like it came out of a kid's plastic vacuum former toy [if you're old enough to remember those toys]. Only positive thing I can write is Remington's stock dimensions have always been good.

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from shane wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I noticed that their Mausers were gone, wondered why. This is the best answer I could ask for.

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from Walt Smith wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Good, now keep Remington an American made company. If we wanted imports we'd shop overseas not in the USA.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I forgot about those vacu-forms... we used to make boats with ours and the whole neighborhood would have races floating them down the creek. Grab a stick and chase your boat you were only allowed to touch it if it got stuck. Those were the days.

Last Remington I bought was a 597 jam a matic that has never unloaded a full clip of .22's. Still love my 1100 it is as good a shotgun as I will ever need and my 700 30-06 can do anything. Unfortunately they were both made in the 1960's when Americans seemed to care a whole lot more about what they were producing. I sure would like to shoot one of those 3200's. I hear a lot about them but all the OU's I have seen from Remington were misses. At least they are keeping the game interesting!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

WOW about time!!!

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from 2Poppa wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I'm still lovin' my 1100!

I was wondering if anyone clicked on the Second Amendment Poll or the Legislative Updates on the Remington Site...

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from alabamahunter wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I'm kind of with you on the 3200 thing myself. As a trap shooter I would love to see an American made, solidly-built, decent trap gun that doesn't quite carry the price tag of a Kolar.

BTW, I'm also glad to see Remington do away with those pos Russian guns.

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from JCB wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I guess that EMF will be getting the Russian Gun line back again. Hopefully Remington will get back on track again and put their money back into R&D. Not just re-dress old models.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

WoW, this really is big news if Rem. keeps to their word. Of course it means higher prices, but who cares if it results in better weapons.

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from ishawooa wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Another run of Remington M-32s would certainly be a blessing if the price is reasonable. Krieghoffs tend to be a bit pricy for most folks in quite of their virtues.
I suppose 3200s would be OK although the originals failed to impress me when they were on the dealer shelves.

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Glad to hear that the jobs from this company are not being outsourced any where and going to hard working Americans. This is exactly what we need instead of companies out-sourcing jobs to foreign countries.

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from Jeff4066 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Let's just wait and see. Being a lefty, I really wanted an SPR18 until I actually touched one. Remington? This can't be!

As far as some of the things others complain about, I like them. After so long in the field, I like parkerized black finishes and synthetic stocks. I like less trim and cutesy stuff. So my 700 is plain as dirt, but after the old trash I used for years, it's marvelous to me.

I won't buy a rifle without iron sights on it, but I don't think mine is offered with them anymore. Must be the growing trend of "scope only" shooters.

But "branding" is screwing up companys all over. When I bought a new chain saw a few years ago, I had talked with a few neighbors who cleaned up their land. The brand I wanted was the orange one, with the big "H". I was warned to make sure I got one at least that was actually made in Sweden. It seems they licensed their "consumer level" models to Taiwan, who had some issues.

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from kolbster wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

i still love my 700 and my 1100, both were made in the usa.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

The "real" orange chainsaw is the Stihl. LOL!

I have been very happy with my Remington 700's (1966 & 1988 mfg) and the 870's (1985 & 1998 mfg). I was never impressed with the Russian shotguns or the Serbian Mausers. WTF was Big Green thinking? The Howa and Miroku firearms from Japan sold by Weatherby and Browning seem to be well made. I own only one of those, so my personal experience is limited to the Howa-made S&W 1000 Super 12 Waterfowl autoloader. It functioned flawlessly through about 300 rounds last season.

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from 007 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Agreed with buying American if possible but sadly American made is financially out of reach for many. Not everybody can afford a 3200 or whatever and have to settle for a Baikal, just as not all can afford Porsches and drive Subarus instead. The gun makers need to remember that some of us are not as wealthy as others.

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from duff wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I'm very familiar with Cerberus and the current Remington (investment) balance sheet. They have one chance with this wonderful opportunity-Quality! Anything else and they'll be a very short-term investment. They'll have to compete at a commensurate dollar value but so be it...if the quality is there, no problem. The initial move to weed out the product line and control production here is a great first step, and getting back to former levels of reliability in great quality working guns seems to be what they're moving toward.
Thanks.

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from Mark-1 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Back in the 70's and 80's the 3200 were common on the target clay fields. I thought a 3200 in the hands of a good shooter meant very tough competition* to beat...unless they had to start with a low gun. Then they were toast.

Also, I never thought a 3200 was any Upland Game gun.

* There was one lady that had a 3200 in 28-ga. That honey ruled the skeet class in the state.

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from ricefarm wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

American made is good. American made plus reliability, durability equals better. Keep the price reasonable, not cheap but reasonable and we are talking great. I hope that's the plan.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I was drooling over the Remington 700 CDL LTD special edition in .257 Roberts with stainless action and fluted barrel until I saw how much they were asking for it ($929 Gunbroker) and I saw the butt ugly (pun surely intended) recoil pad. Come now, a big recoil pad for an 8 pound .257 Roberts? Oh well, I can find a good used Weatherby Mk V for that money.

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from JD wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

That line about not importing is actually BS when you consider that the H&R repeating shotguns are Chinese imports. But as far as Remington, glad to see the parent company take them in a more "Made in USA" direction.

My next wish is for competitor Winchester dump the .22 Wildcat rifles(Russian) and give us something we can be proud to own and pass down to our kids someday. What is their new SXP pump shotgun's origin? Rumored to be Turkish, like the Stoeger? C'mon, get real! If made in USA I would take one right now, if not bu-bye!

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from wingshooter54 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Aw gee Phil; how many 3200's ya want? Between a buddy and I, we have 13 of them in all gauges, including a couple of Premier grades. You can have barrels built for any 3200 for about $1250.00. By the way, I have a first edition copy of The Unnatural Enemy by some guy named Bourjaily - some of the best outdoor writing I've read.
Michael

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from Gazzmann wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

If its not Made in the USA don't buy it.
Let's get America back to guts and glory.

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

The Serbian Mausers were previously imported by the Charles Daly organization. They were solidly made Mauser sporters, entirely serviceable, and a good value for the price point when Charles Daly imported them. I was admittedly surprised and somewhat disappointed that the Remington name was imprinted on them; these were never Remington products.
As Mauser sporters go, they may not quite measure up to the old FN Mauser Supreme or the Husqvarna Mausers, which were usually glass-smooth, but they aren't as expensive (taking inflation into consideration) and they provide a good foundation for an affordable "custom" rifle or will serve well afield as hunting rifles as offered.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Speaking of Mausers, I have a Wehrmacht stamped Mauser 98 that my uncle brought back from WW II. It was still in cosmoline when I got it some 30 years ago. My ugly brother "refinished" the stock for me quite uninvitedly while I was deployed overseas many years ago. I think it is 1941 manufacture. I have thought about building a custom rifle on the action but never got around to it. I had thought that I would pass it to my uncle's only grandson as-is, but he is a liberal Canadian citizen nowadays, so that is OUT.

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from philbourjaily wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Wingshooter54 -- Just one 3200 would be enough for me, to break out on those rare occasions I shoot a round of trap. As a kid, I loved the caricature drawintgs in the Unnatural Enemy. We used to have the Dave Levine originals around the house, but who knows what became of them.

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from Shootstir wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

"Big Green" would be wise to keep operations and manufacturing here in the good 'ol U.S.- which is the wellspring for ALL fine firearms, past or present.

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from Ddoty wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

No mention of the 870 pump, the most popular shotgun ever made? I think it's the best pumpgun in existence.
Remington's shining star, made in the U.S.A.

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from auburn_hunter wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I just hope that Remington's customer service (well, really the inventory management group) gets better than it was back when Marlin was acquired. I was trying to track down an XL-7 back a few months after Mr Petzal first wrote about them and no one could give me any information about what guns were where and when they were being shipped. At least when Marlin was helping me they knew exactly how many of each caliber had been produced and where they had been shipped!

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from jerehouser wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Well I have one of the 798's in 375 H&H. I am very pleased with this rifle. I also have in my African battery Winchester, Weatherby, Ruger and CZ. For the price, I don't think the 798 can be beat. Of course, the Weatherby isn't even is the same class. If you look close on the Remington website, they still have them listed.

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from rocky d bashaw wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

i agree with REMCHUCK, china knives are cheap in price and quality, good for one use and throw away or use as pry bar or screw driver. buy american guns and get good product that will last and plus it keeps americans working. i own mostly all american guns, although i do like mauser actions in my bolt action rifles. remington,colt,smith-wesson,winchester and marlin keep it at home.

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from Gunslinger wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

Autim_Hunter
I also wanted a new Marlin XL7 after I read about the new gun. I as a rule use Remington's 700's &1100's, etc. But I wanted a syn stock 270 for my 4 wheeler and truck.Plus when I go west any weather is possible, and I hated to get my 700's all wet, etc. So, after calling many dealers, wholesalers I did find a 270 Marlin. Glad I waited, love the feel and its accuracy . Can put 3 rounds in 2" at 200 yds. I never liked the Mauser actions, thou I have a Custom German Mauser that stays in my Vault for show and tell. One great featue of teh MArlin is the fluted bolt. Slickest action I ever owned. Now that Rem has divorsed the imports, I surely hope all us gun owners who are in need of another gun????? will consider a Remington, as their Home office is 50 miles from me. We as USA citizens had better begin buying USA made when at all possible, as we cannot continue on the path we are on. Shoot-um- straight and often

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from Gunslinger wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

Good news if they do follow thru. I still want a dblr bbl rifle in 30-06. MAybe soon.

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from Gunslinger wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

Good news if they do follow thru. I still want a dblr bbl rifle in 30-06. MAybe soon.

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from Ziggy4334 wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

Remignton ahs a storied history in the minds of Americans as an American company, and their revolution and outsourcing was certainly hurting their already solid reputation as a leading manufacturer. The part that makes me want to to shout out a resounding, "yes!" is that Remington and Winchester have always been American, and that will never change in my mind.

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from muskiemaster wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

I really do think that american guns are the way to go but would still buy them if they went overseas just not with as much respect.

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from sayerbefiddlin wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

America the great!

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from Brian W. Thair wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

The Baikals may be pigs (I have 2 of them) but they did make the case for shotguns which could be built with a broad range of desirable features at a reasonable price. It could be done. I would have preferred to buy real Remington but some feature or other on _my_ shopping list was always missing.

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from buck hunter 17 wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

Made in the USA is the only way to go.

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from fawnBleat wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

thats how to do it american all the way!

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from New Age Bubba wrote 10 weeks 5 days ago

Re: Russian mausers: Why would anyone buy an inexpensive African rifle for dangerous game? Is the the "lifetime" guarantee?

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Happiness begins at home. I'd much rather buy products made by my countrymen and keep the revenue here. In this economy we should now more than ever.

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from remchuck wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

i hated the trend of firearm manufacturers prostituting their name on imported guns.i'm glad big green has discontinued this practice.i also despise knife companies names on knives made in china.it makes one proud to own ruger guns and case knives;always made in U.S.A.

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from Walt Smith wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Good, now keep Remington an American made company. If we wanted imports we'd shop overseas not in the USA.

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from Beekeeper wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Great news indeed! The Remington catalog had begun to look more like an importer rummage sale than what we have been used to. As far as the Serbian Mausers go, Remington sold them for far more than anyone who had previously imported them did. They also didn't bother to bring in the left hand versions, a snub that offended me greatly...

I'm sure we will see more interesting things from H&Remlinmaster in the near future. Here is hoping it is good! Phil, don't turn blue waiting for the 3200...

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from s-kfry wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Good to see a company with a long American heritage moving jobs back into the country, we sure need it right now.

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Glad to hear that the jobs from this company are not being outsourced any where and going to hard working Americans. This is exactly what we need instead of companies out-sourcing jobs to foreign countries.

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from duff wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I'm very familiar with Cerberus and the current Remington (investment) balance sheet. They have one chance with this wonderful opportunity-Quality! Anything else and they'll be a very short-term investment. They'll have to compete at a commensurate dollar value but so be it...if the quality is there, no problem. The initial move to weed out the product line and control production here is a great first step, and getting back to former levels of reliability in great quality working guns seems to be what they're moving toward.
Thanks.

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from The Armchair Ou... wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

What will they do now with all those T-34 hull scraps that were going into the Baikal guns? Solid? Monolithic is more like it. I'd like to have one of the old pre-Rem ones just in case I need a double that will still fire after being run over by a tracked vehicle. Seriously, I don't think my high-zoot handloads could put the barrels off the face on one of those things.

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from jjas wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Hopefully Remington's new 887 will be a success and perhaps the 105cti will even be redesigned and back on sale.

I say this as the last two Remington's I've purchased had quality issues and I know the company is capable of more than I've seen as of late.

Jim

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I forgot about those vacu-forms... we used to make boats with ours and the whole neighborhood would have races floating them down the creek. Grab a stick and chase your boat you were only allowed to touch it if it got stuck. Those were the days.

Last Remington I bought was a 597 jam a matic that has never unloaded a full clip of .22's. Still love my 1100 it is as good a shotgun as I will ever need and my 700 30-06 can do anything. Unfortunately they were both made in the 1960's when Americans seemed to care a whole lot more about what they were producing. I sure would like to shoot one of those 3200's. I hear a lot about them but all the OU's I have seen from Remington were misses. At least they are keeping the game interesting!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

WOW about time!!!

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from 2Poppa wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I'm still lovin' my 1100!

I was wondering if anyone clicked on the Second Amendment Poll or the Legislative Updates on the Remington Site...

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

The "real" orange chainsaw is the Stihl. LOL!

I have been very happy with my Remington 700's (1966 & 1988 mfg) and the 870's (1985 & 1998 mfg). I was never impressed with the Russian shotguns or the Serbian Mausers. WTF was Big Green thinking? The Howa and Miroku firearms from Japan sold by Weatherby and Browning seem to be well made. I own only one of those, so my personal experience is limited to the Howa-made S&W 1000 Super 12 Waterfowl autoloader. It functioned flawlessly through about 300 rounds last season.

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from Mark-1 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Back in the 70's and 80's the 3200 were common on the target clay fields. I thought a 3200 in the hands of a good shooter meant very tough competition* to beat...unless they had to start with a low gun. Then they were toast.

Also, I never thought a 3200 was any Upland Game gun.

* There was one lady that had a 3200 in 28-ga. That honey ruled the skeet class in the state.

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from ricefarm wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

American made is good. American made plus reliability, durability equals better. Keep the price reasonable, not cheap but reasonable and we are talking great. I hope that's the plan.

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from JD wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

That line about not importing is actually BS when you consider that the H&R repeating shotguns are Chinese imports. But as far as Remington, glad to see the parent company take them in a more "Made in USA" direction.

My next wish is for competitor Winchester dump the .22 Wildcat rifles(Russian) and give us something we can be proud to own and pass down to our kids someday. What is their new SXP pump shotgun's origin? Rumored to be Turkish, like the Stoeger? C'mon, get real! If made in USA I would take one right now, if not bu-bye!

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from Ddoty wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

No mention of the 870 pump, the most popular shotgun ever made? I think it's the best pumpgun in existence.
Remington's shining star, made in the U.S.A.

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from auburn_hunter wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I just hope that Remington's customer service (well, really the inventory management group) gets better than it was back when Marlin was acquired. I was trying to track down an XL-7 back a few months after Mr Petzal first wrote about them and no one could give me any information about what guns were where and when they were being shipped. At least when Marlin was helping me they knew exactly how many of each caliber had been produced and where they had been shipped!

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from Mark-1 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Big Green Father is a weasel. I hate to think of the discontinued models out there lacking parts. Now you can add more to the list. E.g. A magazine clip for a Viper 22 costs half as much as the rifle presently…when you can find them.

I liked Remington’s 798 line of Mauser rifles. The actions were in need of polish to lessen drag, but these are solid rifles for the price, especially the 458 and 375 African models IMHO. I have a preference for Mauser actions on big dangerous game rifles.

I thought the SPR shotguns had horrible stocks and I looked long and hard at the extractors. I never did take one apart to check the innards.

I saw one Premier O/U that looked OK and I never saw it malfunction for the owner, but I thought it was terribly overpriced for the fit and finish. BTW Remington should buy back the Model 32 license from Krieghoff if it wants to manufacture a target O/U again. It’s had bad luck with its 3200 and the Premier models.

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from MLH wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Cerberus also owns Chrysler and a good part of GMAC. Let's hope Remington and the other gun companies in their care stay profitable so they will continue to be around for a long time. Speaking of profit, did their prices go up since last year?

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

This does seem like GOOD NEWS, and I hope it is! I have not been a fan of import guns, but admit I had purchased an O/U KAHN made shotgun in the $300 range that has served me well for over 8 years now. Decent quality for the money, turkish walnut stock, and selective trigger.

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from shane wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I noticed that their Mausers were gone, wondered why. This is the best answer I could ask for.

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from JCB wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I guess that EMF will be getting the Russian Gun line back again. Hopefully Remington will get back on track again and put their money back into R&D. Not just re-dress old models.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

WoW, this really is big news if Rem. keeps to their word. Of course it means higher prices, but who cares if it results in better weapons.

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from ishawooa wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Another run of Remington M-32s would certainly be a blessing if the price is reasonable. Krieghoffs tend to be a bit pricy for most folks in quite of their virtues.
I suppose 3200s would be OK although the originals failed to impress me when they were on the dealer shelves.

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from Jeff4066 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Let's just wait and see. Being a lefty, I really wanted an SPR18 until I actually touched one. Remington? This can't be!

As far as some of the things others complain about, I like them. After so long in the field, I like parkerized black finishes and synthetic stocks. I like less trim and cutesy stuff. So my 700 is plain as dirt, but after the old trash I used for years, it's marvelous to me.

I won't buy a rifle without iron sights on it, but I don't think mine is offered with them anymore. Must be the growing trend of "scope only" shooters.

But "branding" is screwing up companys all over. When I bought a new chain saw a few years ago, I had talked with a few neighbors who cleaned up their land. The brand I wanted was the orange one, with the big "H". I was warned to make sure I got one at least that was actually made in Sweden. It seems they licensed their "consumer level" models to Taiwan, who had some issues.

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from kolbster wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

i still love my 700 and my 1100, both were made in the usa.

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from 007 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Agreed with buying American if possible but sadly American made is financially out of reach for many. Not everybody can afford a 3200 or whatever and have to settle for a Baikal, just as not all can afford Porsches and drive Subarus instead. The gun makers need to remember that some of us are not as wealthy as others.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I was drooling over the Remington 700 CDL LTD special edition in .257 Roberts with stainless action and fluted barrel until I saw how much they were asking for it ($929 Gunbroker) and I saw the butt ugly (pun surely intended) recoil pad. Come now, a big recoil pad for an 8 pound .257 Roberts? Oh well, I can find a good used Weatherby Mk V for that money.

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from wingshooter54 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Aw gee Phil; how many 3200's ya want? Between a buddy and I, we have 13 of them in all gauges, including a couple of Premier grades. You can have barrels built for any 3200 for about $1250.00. By the way, I have a first edition copy of The Unnatural Enemy by some guy named Bourjaily - some of the best outdoor writing I've read.
Michael

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from Gazzmann wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

If its not Made in the USA don't buy it.
Let's get America back to guts and glory.

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

The Serbian Mausers were previously imported by the Charles Daly organization. They were solidly made Mauser sporters, entirely serviceable, and a good value for the price point when Charles Daly imported them. I was admittedly surprised and somewhat disappointed that the Remington name was imprinted on them; these were never Remington products.
As Mauser sporters go, they may not quite measure up to the old FN Mauser Supreme or the Husqvarna Mausers, which were usually glass-smooth, but they aren't as expensive (taking inflation into consideration) and they provide a good foundation for an affordable "custom" rifle or will serve well afield as hunting rifles as offered.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Speaking of Mausers, I have a Wehrmacht stamped Mauser 98 that my uncle brought back from WW II. It was still in cosmoline when I got it some 30 years ago. My ugly brother "refinished" the stock for me quite uninvitedly while I was deployed overseas many years ago. I think it is 1941 manufacture. I have thought about building a custom rifle on the action but never got around to it. I had thought that I would pass it to my uncle's only grandson as-is, but he is a liberal Canadian citizen nowadays, so that is OUT.

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from philbourjaily wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Wingshooter54 -- Just one 3200 would be enough for me, to break out on those rare occasions I shoot a round of trap. As a kid, I loved the caricature drawintgs in the Unnatural Enemy. We used to have the Dave Levine originals around the house, but who knows what became of them.

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from Shootstir wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

"Big Green" would be wise to keep operations and manufacturing here in the good 'ol U.S.- which is the wellspring for ALL fine firearms, past or present.

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from jerehouser wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Well I have one of the 798's in 375 H&H. I am very pleased with this rifle. I also have in my African battery Winchester, Weatherby, Ruger and CZ. For the price, I don't think the 798 can be beat. Of course, the Weatherby isn't even is the same class. If you look close on the Remington website, they still have them listed.

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from rocky d bashaw wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

i agree with REMCHUCK, china knives are cheap in price and quality, good for one use and throw away or use as pry bar or screw driver. buy american guns and get good product that will last and plus it keeps americans working. i own mostly all american guns, although i do like mauser actions in my bolt action rifles. remington,colt,smith-wesson,winchester and marlin keep it at home.

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from Gunslinger wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

Autim_Hunter
I also wanted a new Marlin XL7 after I read about the new gun. I as a rule use Remington's 700's &1100's, etc. But I wanted a syn stock 270 for my 4 wheeler and truck.Plus when I go west any weather is possible, and I hated to get my 700's all wet, etc. So, after calling many dealers, wholesalers I did find a 270 Marlin. Glad I waited, love the feel and its accuracy . Can put 3 rounds in 2" at 200 yds. I never liked the Mauser actions, thou I have a Custom German Mauser that stays in my Vault for show and tell. One great featue of teh MArlin is the fluted bolt. Slickest action I ever owned. Now that Rem has divorsed the imports, I surely hope all us gun owners who are in need of another gun????? will consider a Remington, as their Home office is 50 miles from me. We as USA citizens had better begin buying USA made when at all possible, as we cannot continue on the path we are on. Shoot-um- straight and often

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from Gunslinger wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

Good news if they do follow thru. I still want a dblr bbl rifle in 30-06. MAybe soon.

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from Gunslinger wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

Good news if they do follow thru. I still want a dblr bbl rifle in 30-06. MAybe soon.

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from Ziggy4334 wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

Remignton ahs a storied history in the minds of Americans as an American company, and their revolution and outsourcing was certainly hurting their already solid reputation as a leading manufacturer. The part that makes me want to to shout out a resounding, "yes!" is that Remington and Winchester have always been American, and that will never change in my mind.

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from muskiemaster wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

I really do think that american guns are the way to go but would still buy them if they went overseas just not with as much respect.

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from sayerbefiddlin wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

America the great!

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from Brian W. Thair wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

The Baikals may be pigs (I have 2 of them) but they did make the case for shotguns which could be built with a broad range of desirable features at a reasonable price. It could be done. I would have preferred to buy real Remington but some feature or other on _my_ shopping list was always missing.

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from buck hunter 17 wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

Made in the USA is the only way to go.

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from fawnBleat wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

thats how to do it american all the way!

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from Mark-1 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I've not impressed with Remington quality since '91. The stock material went south, and the internal metal work on their shotguns needed a couple of hours polishing. Disgusting considering what a person pays for a Remington Shotgun or Rifle.

I love the old 1100 even though it's noisy [bang-clack. bang-clack]. Think the 11-87's a lousy handling, heavy shotgun. That 105cti stock looks like it came out of a kid's plastic vacuum former toy [if you're old enough to remember those toys]. Only positive thing I can write is Remington's stock dimensions have always been good.

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from alabamahunter wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I'm kind of with you on the 3200 thing myself. As a trap shooter I would love to see an American made, solidly-built, decent trap gun that doesn't quite carry the price tag of a Kolar.

BTW, I'm also glad to see Remington do away with those pos Russian guns.

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from New Age Bubba wrote 10 weeks 5 days ago

Re: Russian mausers: Why would anyone buy an inexpensive African rifle for dangerous game? Is the the "lifetime" guarantee?

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