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May 26, 2009

Petzal: Thoughts On Memorial Day

By David E. Petzal

My guide in New Zealand, David Blainey, had served ten years as a soldier in that country’s “forces,” as the army is called, and would have stayed another ten had not an ankle betrayed him. He loved the service, and one afternoon he asked me what was the most important thing I had gotten out of my time in the U.S. Army.

That took some thought. I had a very easy time and spent most of it in front of a chalkboard, teaching. I learned public speaking, and the Army system of education, which is the most effective in the world, and I learned how to spit shine, and I learned that there were men who had never gone to college who were better soldiers than I would ever be. And all of that was important.

But the most important thing, I told David, was meeting men whom you would die for. There are very few of them, but they are unmistakable. In my case it was a Lieutenant Colonel who later made full Colonel, and in David’s case it was a Brigadier for whom David was a driver.

I don’t know exactly what confers this quality on an officer or an NCO. The supreme example in the history of the U.S. military is Robert E. Lee, but no one has really gotten a handle on the unknowable Marse Robert. The best example I can give you is Major Dick Winters as portrayed by the British actor Damian Lewis in Band of Brothers. Winters was nearly worshipped by the men he commanded, and Lewis caught this to an uncanny degree.

In any event, human beings such as this are exceedingly rare, and getting to meet one is a privilege that you will not have in civilian life. For me, it was worth the years in a green suit, and then some.

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from Beekeeper wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

The noted writer Shelby Foote, said that even while looking across that wide expanse at Gettysburg it was unthinkable that a soldier would say, "Marse Robert, I ain't gonna go..." Such is the power of a great leader. Compassion, loyalty, sense of duty and knowing that said leader will lead from the front and not the rear inspire those that will follow.

Thank you and all the other service men and women for your service to our great nation!

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from cliff68 wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

Great post Dave. I think you hit the nail on the head. There are a lot of unimportant things you learn in the army but I think you came up with the best answer.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

Just hang on. The liberal revisionist historians will vilify R.E. Lee just like they have Columbus and G. Washington. They probably have already, I just haven't read their trash.

Good post, Dave. I'll bet there are a few men of that character who post here since there are more than a few veterans.

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from Mark-1 wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

Those Leaders are out there, David. They most often show up when the country needs them most. I was a Grunt USAF Officer of the 3-F school, but I came in contact with frightening people that I thank God were on our side. These were the type of people of Old that would have mounted a horse with a sword in one hand and a torch in the other, and conquered empires.

For an in depth study of Military Leadership, read “Crisis in Command” authored by a couple of US Light Colonels [memory fails me as to their names]. It’ll give the reader a sense of the management vs. leadership issue in the US Officer Corps in the ‘60’s and 70’s.

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

You hit the nail squarely on the head with that one Dave. Been there done that for 20 years.

Now please answer my earlier ? about how Barnes triple X's performed in your bullistic buffalo. I had given up on Barnes until you wrote triple X's up a year or so back. Now they are all I shoot for hunting.

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from davidpetzal wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

To Del In KS. The Triple Xs rank right at the top, along with Swift A-Frames and Nosler E-Tips. Another bullet that did extremely well and which I think I forgot to mention is the brand-new Federal Tipped Trophy Bonded. Recovered TTBs kept 85 percent of their original weight (which means they would keep over 90 percent on game) expansion was considerable and uniform, and penetration was superior.

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from 60256 wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

Great post Dave. I posted on the answers section earlier a comment about how very few teens respect memorial day anymore. We need people to step up.

Nate

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

Yesterday while channel surfing, one of the News agency said “HAVE A HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY!
SICK bunch of @#$%^&*()!!!!!

I’m not going to rehash the rehash!

For those of you whether stood in a trench with rifle in hand or spent most of it in front of a chalkboard, teaching, you are all my heroes!!!!

What Branch you were in and what you did, in my book you are all equal to all!!!!!

As one Soldier said it, his Commander said it best
If you want to win medals, join the Infantry!
If you really have the desire to win the war, its right here in supply!

Those who fascinate me and have my most respect are not the ones with a chest full of meddles. It’s the unsung hero the one who left behind all that they love and cherished to win the war!

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from Wags wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

Spent my Memorial Day weekend at the US Naval Academy in Annapolis. On Friday May 22nd, my cousin became a 2nd Lt. in the United States Marine Corps. The weekend was absolutely indescribable. My uncle is a career Marine, now a Master Gunny. He was the first enlisted man to salute my cousin, a moment that had all of us in tears. The absolute coolest though was later that afternoon. A friend of my uncle's stopped by. They had been best friends out in California and had done a WestPac float together. This friend gives my cousin a standard issue plastic canteen. Inside was sand from the beach of Iwo Jima. For about a minute, all of us got real quiet. Finally, some one raised a glass to the Marines that died on the dirt in the jar. It was about as surreal and solemn a moment as I have ever been a part of.

I guess things like that are what amaze me. The brotherhood. Those guys don't just throw around "Semper Fi" lightly. It will likely go down as one of the most memorable Memorial Day weekends in my life.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

60256

Good comment. Like I posted on the other blog, people aren't taught the meaning and purpose of sacrifice. They rewrite our history books to conform to liberal thought and political correctness, not the truth of the matter.

If you or your peers don't have a deep appreciation for the sacrifices your fathers and grandfathers (and mothers) before you have made, my advice is for you teenagers with some grit to go kick your parents square in the ass and tell them what miserable parents they have been. Whose job was it to teach you your values? THEIRS!

I had a crappy personal relationship with my father, but he was a D-Day veteran that knew what sacrifice was and made damn sure we knew the meaning of the word in his own way.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

After I had completed my "tour of duty" relatives had asked me the same thing about what I got out of being in the military. Frankly, I didn't think much of it then..just happy to get out once my enlistment was up!
I guess I wanted to be part of America with a military backround on my Resume` placed under "human experience" which no one can take away. I hope serving made me a better person, or at least better appreciate our way of life in America.
They say Salvation comes from within, I pray all the sacrifices Americans are making around the World helps in achieving that goal in all of us.

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from idahooutdoors wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

Great post. Thanks to all those who have served, and are currently serving. And may God forever bless those who never made it home........ I never have had to pick up a rifle for more than sporting reasons, and I always remember that many a man died to bestow upon me a blessed life full of Outdoor Enjoyment.....So once again and forever, I thank you..............

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from MaxPower wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

Great post DEP, thank you.
Freedom is not free. The price of freedom is and always has been blood. Here's to any who gave theirs.

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from alabamahunter wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

Robert E. Lee is one of the more interesting figures in American history. To this day he is the only one to ever graduate West Point without receiving one single demerit. He was loyal to his state and his men, almost to a fault. Not to mention he was a military genius. The fact that the south was at one time winning the War is incredible. Many northerners were pushing Lincoln to give up the war after repeated losses due to poor leadership. The South was so outmanned and outgunned by the North, that for the South to have won would be like a community college beating USC in football (maybe not completely fair comparison since Pete Carroll is a great coach).

One of the better posts on this blog for the year in my opinion. I think many people get caught up in the beginning of summer, out of school, BBQ and beer that they tend to forget why we get the long weekend in the first place.

My granddad recently went on an "honor flight" to visit the WWII memorial and a couple of other sites in DC. He thorough enjoyed it, as did all the veterans I talked to when they arrived back. I would encourage anyone to look at getting involved in the honor flight program to extend thanks to the generation that saved the world.

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from Big O wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

As I always say.
"Remember the fallen, Thank the living"
To all the vets: THANK YOU !!!!!!!!
TO Mr. Petzal, Mine was a Lt. Commander/later Commander on the U.S.S Nimitz.

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from muskiemaster wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

glad somebody payed a tribute for a good memorial day except for the race being rained out. I spent some of the day at a memorial day rememberance, Where my grandpa a vet of Vietnam spoke.

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from libertyfirst wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

I live in a tiny town and every year we put the flags up to line the streets and have a small parade. The kids all love to see the firetrucks and ambulance and the antique vehicles go by, but for me the day is complete when the military guys,old and young, march by and at the end of the street the honor guard touch off a few rounds. I've seen it all so many times before as have all the folks in our town, but whenever I look around I see a lot of people casually wipe away the tears. We have it all only because so many have risked it all. Never forget them: always respect them.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

I'll not use space here but I posted my Memorial Day question/thought on the F&S message board Backlash and Blowback, 'Wounded Soldiers'.

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from ranger2 wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

I have had a healthy respect for Memorial day since I was very young. My Dad was in the combat engineers in Viet Nam, and every year he took some time with his boys and talked to us about a few of his experiences and sacrifices- and his friends that never came back home, and the ones that checked out after they came back. It was really one of the few times each year he would open up to us about his time over there, and it was always an intense and emotional time. I have never served myself, but often find myself in a stream of conciousness- wondering if I should have or still might. I can appreciate fist hand what a family can sacrifice having a father, mother, son, etc. go to fight for our country, even though I was born several years after he had come home. There is no greater sector of Americans for which I have greater appreciation or respect for than the men and women that give up so much to give us so much. Thank you.

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from sarg wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

Dave, I agree with you on the "Have a Happy Memorialday" thing"... Seems we some time lose track of what certain things mean to us. This is one memorial day a lot of soldiers from the unit I retired from will remember. "We" lost two soldiers this year in Afghanistan, although both were just assigned to our unit, it was still a tragic lose. I could tell by talking to some of these soldiers that it won't be soon forgotten. I learned while in to watch the other guy's back, but watch your own back also. I could have retired as an E-8 with a helicopter unit as their Communication NCO, but These engineers were much a part of me that I elected to just retire as an E-7 commo NCO with the combat engineer s. Started in the early 60's with the Air Force (SAC) and ended up with the Army Engineers.

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from deerhunter wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

As has been said many times before, Reguarding our troops, Stand behind them or stand in front of them!! Great read, good work.

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from blueridge wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

David Petzel is a class act. He can shoot, analyze rifle problems, and recognizes the qualities in Marse Robert Lee as well as in other leaders---some of whom never went to college.

I would hunt with Petzel. The old curmudgeon.

Blue

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from sskbkrdg wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

Great post Dave. Even though the majority of us were mere lads when we served our country, to be sure, none of us has forgotten the pride we felt then and the understanding now of the importance of what we did back then and the appreciation for those who went before us and those who came after. May we never forget.........

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from nc30-06 wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

The person I most remember was my senior drill instructor in Marine Corp boot camp. He was tough but fair. He told us he would run us until we all dropped. I told him in my mind that he would run a very long way before I dropped. He instilled a will in us to excel. There were several more during my military time, but he was the first.

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from Bella wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

It was a good Memorial Day. I was in our towns parade, (as ever, I love a parade)riding my retrostyled electric scooter festooned with flags. Cap'n Collier was MC and gave a good speech and the Scouts were the color guard. As I have mentioned before I was USAF and served in the ROK back in the 70's. I am known to say I learned how to drink heavily, sleep anywhere and tell "War Stories" of the no poop there I was variety from being in the military. Now it seems the North Koreans want to dance again. McArthur cleaned their clocks last time, then the Chinese crossed the Yalu and so...I can testify that Korean Soldiers (North or South) are nobody to dance with.
Frankly , as we spent so many billions on anti missile lazers in big jet aircraft I tend to think if the "Dear Leaders" missileers decide to "test" their Nodong and Typodong ballistic missiles we should "test" our lazer plane and thank 'em for providing target drones. They may have "The Bomb" but if they can't launch it, how will they deliver it? Admittedly Seoul would be in the most danger, but any nuclear exchange at all would be disastrous for humanity. We just can't let it happen and should deploy any available technology to shut it down. Saddam's Bomb was bulldada, The "Dear Leaders" bomb is real, they just tested it the other day.
Will we be talking Korean War II this time next year? I hope not, I certainly hope not.

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from LutherMartin1517 wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

Today I read in the Stars and Stripes about one Major Steve Hutchison. There is one of those officers worth dying for. He was killed in Iraq. From what the article said about him he was the kind of man the Army needs very badly but to my knowledge he was the last of his kind. A Vietnam vet and survivor of Tet, Maj. Hutchison returned to the Army out of retirement at age 59. He served a tour in Afghanistan and then went to Iraq which is where he originally volunteered to go. There from what the article said, he was likely assasinated by smugglers for being too good at his job. He refused to conform to the nonsense prevalent in today's military. He refused to attach a sling to his weapon for reasons of stealth, never snapped his chinstrap on his helmet, and once went to a ceremony without a t-shirt under his ACU top in protest of the impracticality of the "new Army". I wish I would have had the opportunity to serve under someone like that.

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from texasfirst wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

Memorial Day is a tough one. It is a somber reminder that these United States are bigger than us and worth more than our own cherished lives and the lives of our comrades. Ultimately, if we did not believe that as citizens and parents of children and brothers, we would never have gone ourselves, or allowed them to go. Sometimes the lives of our buddies and sons, daughters and mothers and fathers are taken as a sacrifice for the rest of the nation. Whatever the conflict and whether we thought it was or was not worthwhile, we remember and live for and love always those service members killed. In Memoriam: LCPL Holloway, LCPL Rodriguez, Capt. Morrel, brother Marines, and PFC Benjamin "Tex" Christensen (10th MTN Division, KIA northern Italy 1945), my namesake whom I never was destined to meet.

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from Bernie wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

A very fine post, Dave. You have captured it all!

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from bubbysgrampa wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

David, For me it was a Coast Guard Commander named Frank Barnett, who was the captain of the Coast Guard Cutter McCulloch during the 1st exodus across the Florida Straits from Cuba during 1965-66. The McCulloch was awarded a unit citation for its efforts as on-scene command and our captain was the reason. Someone in the same mold as Dick Winters; different service, different time.

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from peter wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

thats what memorial day is about.thankin them kinda peoplle

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from Carney wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

I only have two words: Bill Heavey.

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

I count myself fortunate to have been surrounded by remarkable people in a number of professional settings and, at 62, to have friendships that have lasted since elementary and high schools, but I remain close to my brother Marines...men I've known for 40-44 years, who are still welcomed in my home with their families, who I trust with any fact, plan or thought process I withhold from others. We live in different corners of the nation and get together too infrequently. We call when we have reasons to celebrate, to laugh, to mourn, to remember. I count myself among the most fortunate of men, because those relationships remain strong. Now, as then, I do not live in a vacuum. We had a few remarkable leaders, some of whom have already moved on to pass in review before Almighty God, but there are the friendships for which I am lastingly grateful.

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from AlaskanExile wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

I have served 20 years in the Air Force, and I have been a flight engineer for the last 17 or so. I don't spend much time at home, and I don't hunt or fish as much as I would like to, but I just re-enlisted for another 5 years. Most people I know don't understand why I continue on when I could be drawing a pension, or slacking-off and letting the younger guys go on deployments in my place. I enjoy getting out there and doing the mission, moving the cargo and people.
I have been blessed with three squadron commanders to include the one I serve under now, whom I would "take that hill with a toothpick" if he told me to go. Some leaders you just want to follow, no matter the circumstances.
Some officers are leaders but some are managers, we need both, but not in the top positions.
Managers make sure the squares get filled and the money doesn't run out until the end of the year.
Leaders take care of the people so the people can take care of the mission.
So many commanders could do so much better if they would just give the people a vision, clear away the obstacles, then get out of the way and let them at it. This would turn loose the creativity and resourcefulness of the people, and they will get the mission done.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

Carney

Please explain yourself, sir. Are you being funny or sarcastic?

WMH

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from nathan.grell wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

I served for six yrs in the U.S. Army and it is true, I know i would have died for every man in my squad no doubt about it. One of the biggest things with friends in the military is that i have stayed in contact with them and we still try to get together when we can to drink cold beer and tell stories, it never gets old. After reading the blog Mr. Petzal posted i realize that the things i learned and the people i met dont have much of a comparison to the same in the civilian life. Most people hear the word comrodary and think they know what it means, you may, but its completely different when you go through tuff times with your brothers in arms!

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from Carney wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

WMH = Just my style to go a little out of step from time to time -- you should know that by now...

I had just read an old Heavey article and recalling that Dave's greatest goal in life is to be a "sort of, infallible, anti-Heavey", I threw that in to be edgy. Sorry if it is read as disrespectful...

Those who know me closely, (my kids particularly) know that I demand honor for those who serve. One of my daughters is headed for Air Force ROTC!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

@ Carney

No apology necessary, as I took no offense nor considered it disrespectful. I guess I was just wondering if you knew something about our Mr. Heavey that we don't! LOL

Best regards,
WMH

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from jlord wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal please read my post on the Messageboard about illegally taking game its a question that I have for you and very curious to hear your answer. I hope you read this and to all the veterans and current military keep up the great work.

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from Carney wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

WMH,

All I know about Heavey is what he writes; that he didn't finish whatever survival of the fittest experiment that he was going to do last year; that he hooked himself in the head while trying to impress some chick and that he's been known to sleep in women's underwear -- there's an artist's rendering that you probably don't want to see in some past issue of F&S...

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from tusken_raider_hunter wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

Great Post Mr. Petzal.

I spent Memorial Day BBQ'ing for my wife and daughter, and constantly thinking about the things I know about my two grandfathers. One got drafted into WW2, and the other joined the Air Force to keep from being drafted in Korea.

My father never hunted much growing up, because his father never hunted much, and when my father would mention it he would say "Grandpa didn't care much about guns and hunting because he did all his hunting during the war."

Most of my high school friends have or are serving now.

I never have served, but I have immense respect for anyone who has.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

After my all expense paid vacation in Southeast Asia in 1970 and spec ops following that, I lost my desire for hunting for many years. I can't explain it, nor did I ever try. I hunted as a youth and now enjoy hunting and the outdoors more than ever, but I have slept on the ground in a tent exactly twice since 1976 and won't again anytime soon unless the only option is sleeping on the ground WITHOUT a tent.

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from Jere Smith wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

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I would have charged the Gates of hell to pee on the fire For Hal Moore. In fact I think we all would have "Garry Owen" Marse Robert would be another, Also L.L Lemnitzer.

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from sarg wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

luthermartin, In the 23years In ,have never been out of uniform due to respect for what it stands for . Always try to show respect especially to the younger troops.Wrote an article to one magazine about the new Army Greensand even today my Greens are in the closet ready to put on at a moments notice. Done so out of respect , no matter how I felt. No protestby disgracing the uniform. If the order of the day was slieves down in 120* weather, it was slieves down.

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from Jere Smith wrote 2 years 50 weeks ago

I agree, the sleeves DOWN in hot weather as well as the insistence of wearing headgear outdoors had 2 very good reasons, 1 prevention of sunburn and even more important, preventing skin cancers! General Shinsecki made a MAJOR mistake by adopting the silly looking Beret, it provides little if any protection and skin cancer rates have gone up in the years since.

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from Wags wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

Spent my Memorial Day weekend at the US Naval Academy in Annapolis. On Friday May 22nd, my cousin became a 2nd Lt. in the United States Marine Corps. The weekend was absolutely indescribable. My uncle is a career Marine, now a Master Gunny. He was the first enlisted man to salute my cousin, a moment that had all of us in tears. The absolute coolest though was later that afternoon. A friend of my uncle's stopped by. They had been best friends out in California and had done a WestPac float together. This friend gives my cousin a standard issue plastic canteen. Inside was sand from the beach of Iwo Jima. For about a minute, all of us got real quiet. Finally, some one raised a glass to the Marines that died on the dirt in the jar. It was about as surreal and solemn a moment as I have ever been a part of.

I guess things like that are what amaze me. The brotherhood. Those guys don't just throw around "Semper Fi" lightly. It will likely go down as one of the most memorable Memorial Day weekends in my life.

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from alabamahunter wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

Robert E. Lee is one of the more interesting figures in American history. To this day he is the only one to ever graduate West Point without receiving one single demerit. He was loyal to his state and his men, almost to a fault. Not to mention he was a military genius. The fact that the south was at one time winning the War is incredible. Many northerners were pushing Lincoln to give up the war after repeated losses due to poor leadership. The South was so outmanned and outgunned by the North, that for the South to have won would be like a community college beating USC in football (maybe not completely fair comparison since Pete Carroll is a great coach).

One of the better posts on this blog for the year in my opinion. I think many people get caught up in the beginning of summer, out of school, BBQ and beer that they tend to forget why we get the long weekend in the first place.

My granddad recently went on an "honor flight" to visit the WWII memorial and a couple of other sites in DC. He thorough enjoyed it, as did all the veterans I talked to when they arrived back. I would encourage anyone to look at getting involved in the honor flight program to extend thanks to the generation that saved the world.

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from Big O wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

As I always say.
"Remember the fallen, Thank the living"
To all the vets: THANK YOU !!!!!!!!
TO Mr. Petzal, Mine was a Lt. Commander/later Commander on the U.S.S Nimitz.

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from libertyfirst wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

I live in a tiny town and every year we put the flags up to line the streets and have a small parade. The kids all love to see the firetrucks and ambulance and the antique vehicles go by, but for me the day is complete when the military guys,old and young, march by and at the end of the street the honor guard touch off a few rounds. I've seen it all so many times before as have all the folks in our town, but whenever I look around I see a lot of people casually wipe away the tears. We have it all only because so many have risked it all. Never forget them: always respect them.

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from blueridge wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

David Petzel is a class act. He can shoot, analyze rifle problems, and recognizes the qualities in Marse Robert Lee as well as in other leaders---some of whom never went to college.

I would hunt with Petzel. The old curmudgeon.

Blue

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from 60256 wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

Great post Dave. I posted on the answers section earlier a comment about how very few teens respect memorial day anymore. We need people to step up.

Nate

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from LutherMartin1517 wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

Today I read in the Stars and Stripes about one Major Steve Hutchison. There is one of those officers worth dying for. He was killed in Iraq. From what the article said about him he was the kind of man the Army needs very badly but to my knowledge he was the last of his kind. A Vietnam vet and survivor of Tet, Maj. Hutchison returned to the Army out of retirement at age 59. He served a tour in Afghanistan and then went to Iraq which is where he originally volunteered to go. There from what the article said, he was likely assasinated by smugglers for being too good at his job. He refused to conform to the nonsense prevalent in today's military. He refused to attach a sling to his weapon for reasons of stealth, never snapped his chinstrap on his helmet, and once went to a ceremony without a t-shirt under his ACU top in protest of the impracticality of the "new Army". I wish I would have had the opportunity to serve under someone like that.

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from texasfirst wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

Memorial Day is a tough one. It is a somber reminder that these United States are bigger than us and worth more than our own cherished lives and the lives of our comrades. Ultimately, if we did not believe that as citizens and parents of children and brothers, we would never have gone ourselves, or allowed them to go. Sometimes the lives of our buddies and sons, daughters and mothers and fathers are taken as a sacrifice for the rest of the nation. Whatever the conflict and whether we thought it was or was not worthwhile, we remember and live for and love always those service members killed. In Memoriam: LCPL Holloway, LCPL Rodriguez, Capt. Morrel, brother Marines, and PFC Benjamin "Tex" Christensen (10th MTN Division, KIA northern Italy 1945), my namesake whom I never was destined to meet.

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from Beekeeper wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

The noted writer Shelby Foote, said that even while looking across that wide expanse at Gettysburg it was unthinkable that a soldier would say, "Marse Robert, I ain't gonna go..." Such is the power of a great leader. Compassion, loyalty, sense of duty and knowing that said leader will lead from the front and not the rear inspire those that will follow.

Thank you and all the other service men and women for your service to our great nation!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

Yesterday while channel surfing, one of the News agency said “HAVE A HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY!
SICK bunch of @#$%^&*()!!!!!

I’m not going to rehash the rehash!

For those of you whether stood in a trench with rifle in hand or spent most of it in front of a chalkboard, teaching, you are all my heroes!!!!

What Branch you were in and what you did, in my book you are all equal to all!!!!!

As one Soldier said it, his Commander said it best
If you want to win medals, join the Infantry!
If you really have the desire to win the war, its right here in supply!

Those who fascinate me and have my most respect are not the ones with a chest full of meddles. It’s the unsung hero the one who left behind all that they love and cherished to win the war!

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from idahooutdoors wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

Great post. Thanks to all those who have served, and are currently serving. And may God forever bless those who never made it home........ I never have had to pick up a rifle for more than sporting reasons, and I always remember that many a man died to bestow upon me a blessed life full of Outdoor Enjoyment.....So once again and forever, I thank you..............

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from muskiemaster wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

glad somebody payed a tribute for a good memorial day except for the race being rained out. I spent some of the day at a memorial day rememberance, Where my grandpa a vet of Vietnam spoke.

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from Bella wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

It was a good Memorial Day. I was in our towns parade, (as ever, I love a parade)riding my retrostyled electric scooter festooned with flags. Cap'n Collier was MC and gave a good speech and the Scouts were the color guard. As I have mentioned before I was USAF and served in the ROK back in the 70's. I am known to say I learned how to drink heavily, sleep anywhere and tell "War Stories" of the no poop there I was variety from being in the military. Now it seems the North Koreans want to dance again. McArthur cleaned their clocks last time, then the Chinese crossed the Yalu and so...I can testify that Korean Soldiers (North or South) are nobody to dance with.
Frankly , as we spent so many billions on anti missile lazers in big jet aircraft I tend to think if the "Dear Leaders" missileers decide to "test" their Nodong and Typodong ballistic missiles we should "test" our lazer plane and thank 'em for providing target drones. They may have "The Bomb" but if they can't launch it, how will they deliver it? Admittedly Seoul would be in the most danger, but any nuclear exchange at all would be disastrous for humanity. We just can't let it happen and should deploy any available technology to shut it down. Saddam's Bomb was bulldada, The "Dear Leaders" bomb is real, they just tested it the other day.
Will we be talking Korean War II this time next year? I hope not, I certainly hope not.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

After I had completed my "tour of duty" relatives had asked me the same thing about what I got out of being in the military. Frankly, I didn't think much of it then..just happy to get out once my enlistment was up!
I guess I wanted to be part of America with a military backround on my Resume` placed under "human experience" which no one can take away. I hope serving made me a better person, or at least better appreciate our way of life in America.
They say Salvation comes from within, I pray all the sacrifices Americans are making around the World helps in achieving that goal in all of us.

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from sskbkrdg wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

Great post Dave. Even though the majority of us were mere lads when we served our country, to be sure, none of us has forgotten the pride we felt then and the understanding now of the importance of what we did back then and the appreciation for those who went before us and those who came after. May we never forget.........

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from nc30-06 wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

The person I most remember was my senior drill instructor in Marine Corp boot camp. He was tough but fair. He told us he would run us until we all dropped. I told him in my mind that he would run a very long way before I dropped. He instilled a will in us to excel. There were several more during my military time, but he was the first.

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from Carney wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

I only have two words: Bill Heavey.

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

I count myself fortunate to have been surrounded by remarkable people in a number of professional settings and, at 62, to have friendships that have lasted since elementary and high schools, but I remain close to my brother Marines...men I've known for 40-44 years, who are still welcomed in my home with their families, who I trust with any fact, plan or thought process I withhold from others. We live in different corners of the nation and get together too infrequently. We call when we have reasons to celebrate, to laugh, to mourn, to remember. I count myself among the most fortunate of men, because those relationships remain strong. Now, as then, I do not live in a vacuum. We had a few remarkable leaders, some of whom have already moved on to pass in review before Almighty God, but there are the friendships for which I am lastingly grateful.

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from AlaskanExile wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

I have served 20 years in the Air Force, and I have been a flight engineer for the last 17 or so. I don't spend much time at home, and I don't hunt or fish as much as I would like to, but I just re-enlisted for another 5 years. Most people I know don't understand why I continue on when I could be drawing a pension, or slacking-off and letting the younger guys go on deployments in my place. I enjoy getting out there and doing the mission, moving the cargo and people.
I have been blessed with three squadron commanders to include the one I serve under now, whom I would "take that hill with a toothpick" if he told me to go. Some leaders you just want to follow, no matter the circumstances.
Some officers are leaders but some are managers, we need both, but not in the top positions.
Managers make sure the squares get filled and the money doesn't run out until the end of the year.
Leaders take care of the people so the people can take care of the mission.
So many commanders could do so much better if they would just give the people a vision, clear away the obstacles, then get out of the way and let them at it. This would turn loose the creativity and resourcefulness of the people, and they will get the mission done.

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from nathan.grell wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

I served for six yrs in the U.S. Army and it is true, I know i would have died for every man in my squad no doubt about it. One of the biggest things with friends in the military is that i have stayed in contact with them and we still try to get together when we can to drink cold beer and tell stories, it never gets old. After reading the blog Mr. Petzal posted i realize that the things i learned and the people i met dont have much of a comparison to the same in the civilian life. Most people hear the word comrodary and think they know what it means, you may, but its completely different when you go through tuff times with your brothers in arms!

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from Carney wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

WMH = Just my style to go a little out of step from time to time -- you should know that by now...

I had just read an old Heavey article and recalling that Dave's greatest goal in life is to be a "sort of, infallible, anti-Heavey", I threw that in to be edgy. Sorry if it is read as disrespectful...

Those who know me closely, (my kids particularly) know that I demand honor for those who serve. One of my daughters is headed for Air Force ROTC!

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from cliff68 wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

Great post Dave. I think you hit the nail on the head. There are a lot of unimportant things you learn in the army but I think you came up with the best answer.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

Just hang on. The liberal revisionist historians will vilify R.E. Lee just like they have Columbus and G. Washington. They probably have already, I just haven't read their trash.

Good post, Dave. I'll bet there are a few men of that character who post here since there are more than a few veterans.

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from Mark-1 wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

Those Leaders are out there, David. They most often show up when the country needs them most. I was a Grunt USAF Officer of the 3-F school, but I came in contact with frightening people that I thank God were on our side. These were the type of people of Old that would have mounted a horse with a sword in one hand and a torch in the other, and conquered empires.

For an in depth study of Military Leadership, read “Crisis in Command” authored by a couple of US Light Colonels [memory fails me as to their names]. It’ll give the reader a sense of the management vs. leadership issue in the US Officer Corps in the ‘60’s and 70’s.

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from MaxPower wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

Great post DEP, thank you.
Freedom is not free. The price of freedom is and always has been blood. Here's to any who gave theirs.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

I'll not use space here but I posted my Memorial Day question/thought on the F&S message board Backlash and Blowback, 'Wounded Soldiers'.

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from ranger2 wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

I have had a healthy respect for Memorial day since I was very young. My Dad was in the combat engineers in Viet Nam, and every year he took some time with his boys and talked to us about a few of his experiences and sacrifices- and his friends that never came back home, and the ones that checked out after they came back. It was really one of the few times each year he would open up to us about his time over there, and it was always an intense and emotional time. I have never served myself, but often find myself in a stream of conciousness- wondering if I should have or still might. I can appreciate fist hand what a family can sacrifice having a father, mother, son, etc. go to fight for our country, even though I was born several years after he had come home. There is no greater sector of Americans for which I have greater appreciation or respect for than the men and women that give up so much to give us so much. Thank you.

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from sarg wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

Dave, I agree with you on the "Have a Happy Memorialday" thing"... Seems we some time lose track of what certain things mean to us. This is one memorial day a lot of soldiers from the unit I retired from will remember. "We" lost two soldiers this year in Afghanistan, although both were just assigned to our unit, it was still a tragic lose. I could tell by talking to some of these soldiers that it won't be soon forgotten. I learned while in to watch the other guy's back, but watch your own back also. I could have retired as an E-8 with a helicopter unit as their Communication NCO, but These engineers were much a part of me that I elected to just retire as an E-7 commo NCO with the combat engineer s. Started in the early 60's with the Air Force (SAC) and ended up with the Army Engineers.

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from deerhunter wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

As has been said many times before, Reguarding our troops, Stand behind them or stand in front of them!! Great read, good work.

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from Bernie wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

A very fine post, Dave. You have captured it all!

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from bubbysgrampa wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

David, For me it was a Coast Guard Commander named Frank Barnett, who was the captain of the Coast Guard Cutter McCulloch during the 1st exodus across the Florida Straits from Cuba during 1965-66. The McCulloch was awarded a unit citation for its efforts as on-scene command and our captain was the reason. Someone in the same mold as Dick Winters; different service, different time.

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from peter wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

thats what memorial day is about.thankin them kinda peoplle

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

Carney

Please explain yourself, sir. Are you being funny or sarcastic?

WMH

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

@ Carney

No apology necessary, as I took no offense nor considered it disrespectful. I guess I was just wondering if you knew something about our Mr. Heavey that we don't! LOL

Best regards,
WMH

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from jlord wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal please read my post on the Messageboard about illegally taking game its a question that I have for you and very curious to hear your answer. I hope you read this and to all the veterans and current military keep up the great work.

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from tusken_raider_hunter wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

Great Post Mr. Petzal.

I spent Memorial Day BBQ'ing for my wife and daughter, and constantly thinking about the things I know about my two grandfathers. One got drafted into WW2, and the other joined the Air Force to keep from being drafted in Korea.

My father never hunted much growing up, because his father never hunted much, and when my father would mention it he would say "Grandpa didn't care much about guns and hunting because he did all his hunting during the war."

Most of my high school friends have or are serving now.

I never have served, but I have immense respect for anyone who has.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

After my all expense paid vacation in Southeast Asia in 1970 and spec ops following that, I lost my desire for hunting for many years. I can't explain it, nor did I ever try. I hunted as a youth and now enjoy hunting and the outdoors more than ever, but I have slept on the ground in a tent exactly twice since 1976 and won't again anytime soon unless the only option is sleeping on the ground WITHOUT a tent.

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from sarg wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

luthermartin, In the 23years In ,have never been out of uniform due to respect for what it stands for . Always try to show respect especially to the younger troops.Wrote an article to one magazine about the new Army Greensand even today my Greens are in the closet ready to put on at a moments notice. Done so out of respect , no matter how I felt. No protestby disgracing the uniform. If the order of the day was slieves down in 120* weather, it was slieves down.

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

You hit the nail squarely on the head with that one Dave. Been there done that for 20 years.

Now please answer my earlier ? about how Barnes triple X's performed in your bullistic buffalo. I had given up on Barnes until you wrote triple X's up a year or so back. Now they are all I shoot for hunting.

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from davidpetzal wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

To Del In KS. The Triple Xs rank right at the top, along with Swift A-Frames and Nosler E-Tips. Another bullet that did extremely well and which I think I forgot to mention is the brand-new Federal Tipped Trophy Bonded. Recovered TTBs kept 85 percent of their original weight (which means they would keep over 90 percent on game) expansion was considerable and uniform, and penetration was superior.

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from Carney wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

WMH,

All I know about Heavey is what he writes; that he didn't finish whatever survival of the fittest experiment that he was going to do last year; that he hooked himself in the head while trying to impress some chick and that he's been known to sleep in women's underwear -- there's an artist's rendering that you probably don't want to see in some past issue of F&S...

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from Jere Smith wrote 2 years 51 weeks ago

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from Jere Smith wrote 2 years 50 weeks ago

I agree, the sleeves DOWN in hot weather as well as the insistence of wearing headgear outdoors had 2 very good reasons, 1 prevention of sunburn and even more important, preventing skin cancers! General Shinsecki made a MAJOR mistake by adopting the silly looking Beret, it provides little if any protection and skin cancer rates have gone up in the years since.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 52 weeks ago

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Good comment. Like I posted on the other blog, people aren't taught the meaning and purpose of sacrifice. They rewrite our history books to conform to liberal thought and political correctness, not the truth of the matter.

If you or your peers don't have a deep appreciation for the sacrifices your fathers and grandfathers (and mothers) before you have made, my advice is for you teenagers with some grit to go kick your parents square in the ass and tell them what miserable parents they have been. Whose job was it to teach you your values? THEIRS!

I had a crappy personal relationship with my father, but he was a D-Day veteran that knew what sacrifice was and made damn sure we knew the meaning of the word in his own way.

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