Yohan is right.

New York is a separate country from the rest of the US. I've stayed there twice, for the sights, and both times was amazed at how differently the people there think. Most New Yorkers would consider Obama to be dead middle of the road in his politics; they considered Clinton to be a conservative! Pity is, most media live in New York, so they think New Yorkers are normal and that everyone else eats bananas and walks on their knuckles.

The best advice I ever got for carrying (which I sometimes do) is that when you carry, don't think you are just going to drop a pistol in your pocket and go on your merry; remember Plaxico Burress? You have to have a carry mindset and carry lifestyle. You will ALWAYS use a holster, even if the gun is in your pocket. You will need a new pair of pants, cut full enough so your in-the-pants holster doesn't print and so you can still breathe when your (now much heavier than before) belt is buckled. You will be wearing looser shirts and vests, and those will not be tucked in for the most part.

Furthermore, you are now an armed citizen. Because you have to power to kill instantly with the press of a finger, you do not have the right to get drunk or high any more. You will not be mouthing off in public. You will be as courteous as you know how to be at all times, and do everything in your power to live at peace with the world around you. And you will never, ever show that you are armed unless you are faced with a threat that a twelve man jury will agree warrants it.

I heard a judge in open court once ask a young man who had mouthed off to a police officer if he knew what a "throw-down piece" was and tell the young man he was lucky he didn't find out the hard way. The term refers to a stolen pistol not logged into evidence that a police officer can use for CYA purposes in the case of an unjustified shooting. Something's wrong here. There are many good people in law enforcement, some of them the salt of the Earth, but we've got to get the bad actors out of the picture.

I have all the respect in the world for police officers but do not believe they have the capability to protect any of us. I consider conceal carry as a way of helping out an over worked police force.

I would like to know how many conceal carry permit holders have had military training and in line with this subject, many civilians are better equipped and better qualified for protecting us than some of the police officers I see.

I just got back from a fishing trip in the Sierra's where I was warned by a local police officer to becareful in the mountains. A lot of criminals hide in the mountains because the police do not want to go up there to get them out. Not a very comforting thought.

If I was a victim of a violent crime, I would sue the pants off State of New York or any other State preventing me from protecting my Family, all around me including myself violating my 2nd Amendment Rights!

At one time, Gentlemen going to Church carried their guns in!

“But I don't want to defend myself.”
-reportedly uttered by a Brady Law supporter

An armed society is a polite society..........

"NYPD handbook: How to spot a concealed handgun: Shoot the suspect - then search him."
weve_25, you are close, but you forgot one tiny little detail. the last sentance of your derivative from the NYCPD training manual should read.... if no firearm is found, plant the one you comfiscated off the pimp you didn't bust last night, after one of his gurlz took care of you.
seriously though, any police dept in a major metro area has it's work cut out for them. i for one, would NEVER move to P.R. of N.Y.C., or P.R.of Kalifonia. and there are not to many things i would never say never to.
but those places are seriously messed up, especialy if you just happen to like firearms.
"If I was a victim of a violent crime, I would sue the pants off State of New York or any other State preventing me from protecting my Family, all around me including myself violating my 2nd Amendment Rights!"
the only problem with that is the state HAS to give you permission for you to sue them. so that just will not happen.
as for your second amendment rights, if there was any real chance of winnning that battle, i sincerly believe that the NRA-ILA would be jumping all over that one.
bottom line, when you move to a "Peoples Republic" of anywhere, you give up your rights at the city or state line.
this USED to be The United States of America, a GREAT nation. the whole world USED to be envious of us. now, to many frivelous law suits, and to much "political correctness", have screwed it all up.
our kids are inheriting one screwed up country. i really hope their generation can fix it!

I personally carry my Model 28 in my waistband or my POS Ruger 94 in a high-rise retention holster and don't give a damn who sees it.

Seriously I wish I had a dime for every Cop talked to and walked by carrying something much bigger than they are and they didn’t have a clue!!!

For New Yorkers:
Sitting in Forlini's Restaurant at 93 Baxter Street, located behind "the Tombs" (city jail) in downtown Manhattan, a block east of the Court District. Two rotund individuals sitting with colleagues at different tables. One has an ankle holster, clearly visible in the sitting position. The other has an inside the waistband holster that he frequently adjusts. The one with the ankle holster is clearly on the job; the other is not as obvious, but he's definitely carrying. They spend their dinnertime glaring at each other malevolently, but neither approaches the other's table nor do they exchange words.
New York City...you can't ask for a better place to "people watch"! It's better than an aquarium or zoo. Of course, no one wants to LIVE in an aquarium or zoo.

Kimber Raptor Ultra Carry .45 in an inside the pants holster. Like the American Express card; never leave home without it. It is my fervent hope that I never visit New York City, but would not want to without at least one knife, two handguns, kevlar vest, and a buddy to watch my back. If it was more concealable, I would pack my Taurus Judge. With the new Federal 2 1/2" copper plated buckshot (4 no. OOO) loads (3 plus 2 45 colt in the cylinder)it is possibly the finest personal defense handgun made today. Mine will put all 4 of those OOO in the vital area of a silhouette out to 15 yards. That is devasting impact.
Michael

WA Mtnhunter, I agree that they have the same percentage of bad apples as the general populace, or maybe even less, but a member of the general populace is not equipped with a badge and the full coercive authority of the government. The standard should be, must be, much higher.

When i was a kid,. usually ( unless i forgot) I carried a folding fish / filete knife to school, and evry where else ( with no swat teams in attandence,)
Actually some of the teachers knowing i posesed this implement would fr0m time to time ask to use it.
Female teacher especially ( go figure )
As stated it went everywhere with me
Unless my mother ( who was also a school teacher) made me leave it home for some reason.
Like visisting Aunt Alice .
IE: " Do not bring that knife ,..
I dont want you to give aunt Alice the vapors if you pull that thing out and start doing what ever you do with it." yuk yuk

Truth is Aunt Alice was a little on the pretend fragile ,. nervous uppity side, and she liked attention,. but not so much from me.

I knew /sensed that,.. even at avery young age ( 6-7) So i assumed the unwashed twitchy slightly demented nephew persona,.. who may at any second snap and kill her cat,as much as I could.
I'm not certain why,. but I did derive a certain perverse pleasure from unnerving Aunt Alice
At least until my father reminded me,..
with a few foot pounds of energy to the side of my head id it got too caried away . He didnt much cotton to Aunt Alice either.

So now a kid cant take a pen knife o school for fear of a swat intervention and civil suit. Based on the trama caused to Englsih teacher and the 15 yr old she was doing in storage closet.

Now ya gotta be looking for "the pistol bulge " in NY and and major cities.
I know its a pain for law inforement cause one of those honorable individules is one of the hunting circle I am humbly allowed to be a part.
Should say he was ,. he recently moved adn I will miss his presence.

He says in confidence concealed carry would be good if every man woman a child did .
At first a lot of people good and bad would shortly get shot ,. but when the trigger happy ones who were dead or wounded and out of ther hopsital.
The bad guys would know ,. there would then be a very real chance they would come out of an altercation ,. not just caught and jailed but wounded or dead ,..
That would in his opinion change things ,.

But first we gotta get enough healh insurance coverage in place so that a riteious blood letting like that wouldnt break us all .

One more thing,

The Managers of the Bank I go to and restaurants not only know I carry concealed, they welcome it!

Gritz-
Fortunately, the encounter your wife had was resolved without anyone being hurt. The other
side of the coin is, many encounters of this type are not a confused drunk, but a home invasion, or car jacking, or mugging, or, or,
etc. The choice each and every one of us must
make, when we opt to carry a weapon, is whether to be a victim, or live with some regret?

Cool video Beekeeper. I think the guys who made Pirates of the Caribbean 3 must have been inspired by that for Elizabeth Swann's (Keira Knightly) "disarming" scene in Sao Feng's (Chow Yun-Fat) Singapore pirate HQ.

It makes no sense that you are not supposed to carry into a bank. If you are a concealed carry licensed individual, it would seem logical that that is one place you would be encouraged to carry.

I hate to say it, FF, but something tells me a good number of carriers aren't as smart or sensible as you.

just remember guys, if carrying is illegal, you still have the right to. you should do it anyway, its illegal, but it doesnt mean its bad. thats what the founding fathers said.

Here in the People's Republic of Maryland we are lucky to have a place to shoot let a lone conceal carry. That could actually be a blessing considering the people I know around here.

You all should just consider yourself luck to have some freedom. Then again, they are trying to take it all away in congress.

Vic

i keep a 357 in the glove box and a shotgun in the back seat. Guess the NYPD would turn my truck into swiss cheese.

Boy, you really opened up a can here, Mr. Petzal!

See, those cops were polite once they knew you were armed. he he

I think if you shoot anyone in any state you are going to need a really good lawyer. So be it. It doesn't really matter if you have a good undertaker or not. Any of them can wipe your a$$ for the last time.....

Again, I find my thoughts so much in accord with others..
I avoid NYC at all costs and I wholly agree with "an armed society is a polite society" entirely. The phrase was practically a cliche' with the SCAdians I used to hang out with (although usually referring to swords and big honkin knives).
I was very intrigued by the "spot the concealed gun" tips, they all seemed to be very logical. I don't have a CC (class A) gun permit. I didn't see the need and didn't think I'd get it, so I applied for what I thought I could reasonably expect to get (class B). As My hand cannons are a 1911 and an 1858 Remington Army (not to mention the muzzleloaders) there would be difficulties in concealed carry anyway. I will trust my Aikido as ever, it is likely to get litigeous.

Waiting on the police to respond can be deadly. Although it was not NY, and it was not an assault or robbery, I was in my local city and called the police to report a lady for a hit-and-run. They finally got around to showing up 50 minutes after the fact. I guess if it had been a robbery or assault, they would have been there in a half hour.

elmer f. and others, add New Jersey to that list of never visit states, they are just as bad as NYC.

Figures Kelly would be against this. It's not as fun to turn armed guys in to Swiss cheese; then it becomes work.

I am still up in the air about this subject. On one hand, I do have a 357 in my house. We had someone try to bust the door down once because he was drunk and told police, after he spent the night sleeping it off in jail, that he thought he was home (his residence was on the other side of town). I happened to be out of town that night and it was just my wife and the dog at home. If I was there I might have shot this young man. In a town as small as the one I am in I am practically related to every person and it turns out that not only my wife but a majority of people knew who this drunk man is. I don't think I could have faced anyone in my town again if things turned ugly. There would have been a trial, I might have been considered at fault for using unreasonable force, and my entire life could have been ruined. I think about this every time I take a road trip and think about putting that gun in my car. I am reminded that I am a citizen but also that whoever decides to be a jackass is someone else's child too. Unless someone sticks a gun in your face, in which case most people would probably not be in a position to pull out their own gun and fire before they are made into a puddle of soup, you are probably pulling a gun on an unarmed person and that can easily be skewed into murder charges. If I need a gun to feel safe then I am probably in the wrong place. I lived in a city for years and never carried a gun outside of my home. I feel sorry for people who live in areas where the only alternative to being shot is to shoot. I guess there is no clear answer in sight except to choose wisely and be willing and ready to defend every action that you take regardless of the circumstances.

I carry a S&W 386 with a galico high rise holster on my strong side it's a good fit.. also i carry a kel tec p3at it depends on what I am wearing

I'm just damn glad I live in AK and nowhere near NY, NY, etc.,etc and, with no plans or interest in doing so or contributing to the above economy by visiting.
Sorry, but we closed the door to AK, so you guys will just have to hang where you are..........

If you shoot some body in NY you'd better have a good lawyer , because your going to need it!!!!!

Although I have a CCL, I usually wear it so it can be seen. If I need it NOT to be seen, I wear a light windbreaker and zip it up and carry the PPK rather than the 686 or Redhawk.

Gritz- you make a valid point. Nobody wants to shoot anyone else. It is my hope that I never have to be in the situation to make that choice. I would like to be armed with mace or a tazer to use first, but I would never leave to option open of not being armed, and capable of deadly force. It is the best insurance policy you can get. Depending on your particular brand of personal faith, even if you do kill someone unnecessarily, it is not the sheer end all for either person, granted the present consequences. But that is part of the concessions of living in a world where bad things happen to good and bad people alike.

Keep em busy - Carry a Palm Pistol is each pocket and maybe even your wallet.
http://www.palmpistol.com/

For sure carrying does bring a serious extra responsbility and mindset - growing up with a Grandaddy that was a policeman helped me learn how to be responsible with guns. I'd never, ever want to shoot anybody at all - I'm a Christian and want to serve the Lord the best I can - but if I'm with my niece and nephews and somebody threatens their lives, you better believe as a law-abiding, Concealed Weapons Permit-carrying citizen, I will pull my little Ruger LCP out of my back pocket and do whatever I need to do with it.

That little LCP really does hide pretty well, but it still carries a good .380 punch. I've got a pocket holster that covers it and makes it look more like a wallet than anything else, and I have it in my back pocket every day. I sing on our Praise Team at church and have to chuckle sometimes thinking about having a pistol in my back pocket in our worship service... but thinking of the pastor who got killed in Illinois a few months back by the fellow who shot through his Bible and killed him, you just never know what might happen. I'd rather be able to protect our Pastor and our worshippers than go unprotected.

I don't think we're supposed to be pacifists, but Jesus told us we are supposed to love our neighbor as ourselves. Sometimes loving our neighbor means to defend them as well from evil, and that's why I carry.

Favorite bumper sticker ever:

I've never seen a flag burned at a gunshow...

i carry 3 knives with me everywhere. nobody ever said anything. i guess i'll try with a pistol...