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October 08, 2009

Bouraily: Aya Shotguns and Dreams (Nearly) Fulfilled

When I first got interested in shotguns, Orvis offered custom Aya doubles from Spain. I only saw them in the catalog, never in real life, but I yearned for one in the worst way. I even sent away for the order form, where you could specify finish, stock dimensions, grip style, etc., and spent way too much time designing dream guns I couldn’t afford. Although they were out of my price range, they weren’t exorbitant, at least, not when compared to other custom doubles. It seemed feasible I might own one someday.

It turns out that putting one kid through college --  with another on deck --  while writing for a living means I still can’t buy an Aya, and I’m okay with that. But, I finally got a chance to shoot a couple of them last week at a local preserve, and I was pleased to find they are every bit as wonderful in hand as they were in the pages of the Orvis catalog 25-plus years ago.

Aya (you say “A-Why-A” not “Eye-A” – I asked importer Tom Hall) was founded in Eibar, in Spain’s Basque region, in 1917. Spanish  gunmakers are known as copyists rather than innovators, and they have well-deserved reputation for building beautiful versions of classic English doubles that cost much less. The guns I shot had excellent fit and finish. Wood to metal fit was seamless. There wasn’t a hint of ripple in the barrels, and they handled beautifully.

The high-grade gun I tried, the Number 2, is a full sidelock with such niceties as hand-detachable locks and an articulated front trigger which prevents it from bruising your trigger finger as the gun recoils when you shoot the second barrel. The other, the 4/53, is a plain boxlock, less ornate but very well finished. The 4/53 starts at $3199, the Number 2 at $5199 and are made to order in as little as 4 to 6 months. Admittedly, they are not cheap (I know: you can kill more game with your 870. So can I. Sometimes that’s not the point) however, both represent a lot of gun for the money. A tremendous amount of time and skill goes into making a double gun almost entirely by hand. And, Ayas are dirt cheap when you compare their cost to the price of an English gun. You can see more at aya-fineguns.com

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from texasfirst wrote 6 weeks 2 hours ago

Besides the visual appeal, the promise of gorgeous handling is what gets me excited about beautiful shotguns like the AyA.
I first saw an article about these guns when I was in USMC School of Infantry back in 1995, and I've thought about them off and on since. Because I hunt bobwhite quail here in South Texas, I might be able to justify buying one.
Mass produced guns are great, and American joes like myself are pragmatic and utilitarian, which is why a sweet little Spanish copy of a $50,000 English gun might just be the ticket. But I'm also looking at some of the fine, (relatively) affordable American shotgun builders.

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from idduckhntr wrote 6 weeks 2 hours ago

My dad still brags about a AYA 20 gauge he had when he was in highschool said you could not find a finer gun, I belive he told me he paid $250 for it his seniour year in highschool. When he got out of the navy he told me he traded it for to Pigeion grade M12s in 16 gauge.

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from jjas wrote 6 weeks 2 hours ago

So what happened to the dinosaur killing new Beretta mystery gun announcement?

Just wonderin'

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from Scott in Ohio wrote 6 weeks 1 hour ago

Phil,

I guess we all dream of such a gun (I certainly do). While I can't currently afford a new SxS, a neighbor rebuilds old doubles and he has a 16 ga. Belgium guild gun that has been calling to me for 8 months now. It snuggles up to my shoulder like a prom date. So, I'm saving my dimes and quarters...

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from Beekeeper wrote 6 weeks 12 min ago

Phil I can remember looking at the same catalogs and seeing them in Gun Digest and other paper icons of the time. If I can remember correctly they were less than 1/4 of what they catalog for now. Just out of reach then and still just out of reach now. It is awful hard for me to justify spending that much on a shotgun, no matter how much I would like to have one. Life still has too many other requirements but we can still look at the ads and dream can't we? Maybe in retirement...

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

These are finely made guns. I saw one a few years ago at a shoot the owner had after market engraving done to it. Man that gun was a work of art!

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from sgaredneck wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

My wife actually scored an older AyA 12 ga. sxs at an antique/estate auction a few years back. She bops into the house going "Look at what I bought honey!" She knew that she had found a good deal among the flotsam and jetsam you see at those things, and you can imagine my surprise and shock. I will not repeat what she paid for it as to not antagonize anyone, or cause male egos to be bruised.

She has not let me forget that this is HER shotgun....I 'borrow' it every time I can. It truly is that good.

Moral: If your wife says she wants to go to an estate sale or auction, it may just pay to check their listings and at least look. I now take the time and go to these things. Most of them are crap. However I have turned up some truly golden firearms deals at them. I scored a Les Baer .45 at one not long after she found the sxs. That alone keeps me motivated.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

After looking at their catalogue I just priced a #2 round at 5000 euros. That converts to $7388 and change.
I love SxS shotguns, I shoot them better and I think they are the most handsome of all shotguns. Many disagree with that but to each his own and if I had cash like that laying around I'd buy one in a heart beat.
I'm going to have to go back and look at what type recoil pads they install. Looking at the pics I didn't notice any at all.

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from MLH wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

Beautiful guns. Have to take a couple off the shelf each time I visit the local Cabela's Gun Library. Very light handling.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

Agree with Jim in MO. A good SxS with 2 triggers even in relatively economy grades are the most beautiful shotguns and IMO the most fun with which to hunt.

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from The Armchair Ou... wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

If you hit the gun auctions, you can find some lovingly used English guns for less money, but you have to buy the quality and not the name. They may not have Purdey or Boss engraved on them, but the bargains are there if you look.

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from Bob81 wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

This is the kind of gun I dreamed about when I plunked down cash for my (much more affordable) 20 gauge Beretta Onyx o/u. (Don't get me wrong, I love the Beretta, but it will never be this gun.)

With that said, the kind of heavy-cover grouse hunting we do up here would never allow me to take such a gun in the field. It would live a quiet and unfulfilled life collecting dust in my gun cabinet. Boy, would it look pretty doing it though. ;)

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from cliff68 wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

Beautiflul guns and even though seemingly high priced they are a bargain for the work that goes into them. Just compare them to guns that cost twice as much and you won't see much difference. They also will only go up in value so it's hard to go wrong.

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from bluegraytx wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

I purchased a Spanish 20 ga. double forty years ago. There was something special between us. I couldn't miss. Since I'd often hunted with other shotguns and never experienced that kind of magic, I could only attribute my success to the double. A few years later I was unceremoniously ushered out the door never to lay hands on that shotgun again. I never forgave her for that. May God rest her soul.

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from MStevenson wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

I have had two AYA 12 gauge side by sides (still have my favorite) and I agree they are extremely well made guns. For some reason I can shoot skeet better with this side by side than with my O/U or my A--5, and recoil is not a bad as some of my other side by side doubles, which puzzles me. These guns are so well machined that all of the screws and holes lime up perfectly paralell to the barrell. Wonderful guns: I'll never sell this one.

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from Sue Melus wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

Thanks for the report on Aya guns. And for setting me straight on how to pronounce their name!

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from Bernie wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

I remember about 25 years ago when I had an opportunity to buy a brand new Merkel double in 16 gauge for $2,850. I couldn't afford it, and for years that haunted me. Then I was able to shoot some expensive doubles while shooting at a wealthy fellow's private range, and found I couldn't shoot any of them nearly as well of my Model 12s. So I no longer suffer from lack of a Merkel or any other double gun.

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from ricefarm wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

Mr. Petzal writes "you can kill more game with your 870. So can I. Sometimes that's not the point"

There is more than a couple of guys out there with trophy wives that cost them a fortune that followed the same line of thought. Having something more beautiful than you thought you could ever have is sometimes worth great sacrifice.

There is also more than a couple out there who made the sacrifice only to find out they were happier with "the old 870." At least if your Holy Grail is a gun, you can change your mind without losing half your possesions.

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from Brian W. Thair wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

I bought a Spanish-made, AYA look-alike, s/s 20. Beautiful metal work, excellent all-round fit and finish. What could go wrong? At 16 yds on the shot pattern board, the RH barrel shot 4" left of center.
Lesson learned: Go big or go home.

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from ishawooa wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

Personally I'd much rather own a Connecticut RBL.

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from Moishe wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

My Stevens 311 is not as pretty or as expensive, but I hit birds with it and that is what counts.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

That AYA is pretty enough, but I have no envy. Got me an Italian made Weatherby that looks as good and works just fine for about two grand (new) last August. Life's too short to wait until you retire to own a nice shotgun.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

ricefarm,

Do I detect a little malice here?

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from Moishe wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

WA it would seem so. If I really wanted an AYA ,I could afford it well enough, I just like my Stevens, have had it 40 years, and its about the only thing my ex-wife did not get! {8^D

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 weeks 4 days ago

Moishe,
You want to sell that 311? I've had two, no need to explaine why I don't have them now. They really are great guns for the money. I want mine back.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 5 weeks 3 days ago

Two cottontails on Saturday. One standing and the other at a high-speed run. Both went into the beef stew on Sunday. Quite good too.

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from Moishe wrote 5 weeks 5 hours ago

Jim in Mo, Not really I bought it Originally for my sone, he gave it back after about three years and I have had it for about 35 years this time. they are getting scarce (in Excellent shape anyway)you can fine old rusty ones in pawn shops but who wants one of those? ;)

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from Moishe wrote 5 weeks 5 hours ago

sorry about the almost Germanic spelling of SON* lived there far too long.

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from ishawooa wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

Personally I'd much rather own a Connecticut RBL.

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from jjas wrote 6 weeks 2 hours ago

So what happened to the dinosaur killing new Beretta mystery gun announcement?

Just wonderin'

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from Mike Diehl wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

Agree with Jim in MO. A good SxS with 2 triggers even in relatively economy grades are the most beautiful shotguns and IMO the most fun with which to hunt.

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from Bob81 wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

This is the kind of gun I dreamed about when I plunked down cash for my (much more affordable) 20 gauge Beretta Onyx o/u. (Don't get me wrong, I love the Beretta, but it will never be this gun.)

With that said, the kind of heavy-cover grouse hunting we do up here would never allow me to take such a gun in the field. It would live a quiet and unfulfilled life collecting dust in my gun cabinet. Boy, would it look pretty doing it though. ;)

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from Bernie wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

I remember about 25 years ago when I had an opportunity to buy a brand new Merkel double in 16 gauge for $2,850. I couldn't afford it, and for years that haunted me. Then I was able to shoot some expensive doubles while shooting at a wealthy fellow's private range, and found I couldn't shoot any of them nearly as well of my Model 12s. So I no longer suffer from lack of a Merkel or any other double gun.

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from ricefarm wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

Mr. Petzal writes "you can kill more game with your 870. So can I. Sometimes that's not the point"

There is more than a couple of guys out there with trophy wives that cost them a fortune that followed the same line of thought. Having something more beautiful than you thought you could ever have is sometimes worth great sacrifice.

There is also more than a couple out there who made the sacrifice only to find out they were happier with "the old 870." At least if your Holy Grail is a gun, you can change your mind without losing half your possesions.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

That AYA is pretty enough, but I have no envy. Got me an Italian made Weatherby that looks as good and works just fine for about two grand (new) last August. Life's too short to wait until you retire to own a nice shotgun.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

ricefarm,

Do I detect a little malice here?

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from texasfirst wrote 6 weeks 2 hours ago

Besides the visual appeal, the promise of gorgeous handling is what gets me excited about beautiful shotguns like the AyA.
I first saw an article about these guns when I was in USMC School of Infantry back in 1995, and I've thought about them off and on since. Because I hunt bobwhite quail here in South Texas, I might be able to justify buying one.
Mass produced guns are great, and American joes like myself are pragmatic and utilitarian, which is why a sweet little Spanish copy of a $50,000 English gun might just be the ticket. But I'm also looking at some of the fine, (relatively) affordable American shotgun builders.

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from idduckhntr wrote 6 weeks 2 hours ago

My dad still brags about a AYA 20 gauge he had when he was in highschool said you could not find a finer gun, I belive he told me he paid $250 for it his seniour year in highschool. When he got out of the navy he told me he traded it for to Pigeion grade M12s in 16 gauge.

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from Scott in Ohio wrote 6 weeks 1 hour ago

Phil,

I guess we all dream of such a gun (I certainly do). While I can't currently afford a new SxS, a neighbor rebuilds old doubles and he has a 16 ga. Belgium guild gun that has been calling to me for 8 months now. It snuggles up to my shoulder like a prom date. So, I'm saving my dimes and quarters...

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from Beekeeper wrote 6 weeks 12 min ago

Phil I can remember looking at the same catalogs and seeing them in Gun Digest and other paper icons of the time. If I can remember correctly they were less than 1/4 of what they catalog for now. Just out of reach then and still just out of reach now. It is awful hard for me to justify spending that much on a shotgun, no matter how much I would like to have one. Life still has too many other requirements but we can still look at the ads and dream can't we? Maybe in retirement...

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

These are finely made guns. I saw one a few years ago at a shoot the owner had after market engraving done to it. Man that gun was a work of art!

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from sgaredneck wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

My wife actually scored an older AyA 12 ga. sxs at an antique/estate auction a few years back. She bops into the house going "Look at what I bought honey!" She knew that she had found a good deal among the flotsam and jetsam you see at those things, and you can imagine my surprise and shock. I will not repeat what she paid for it as to not antagonize anyone, or cause male egos to be bruised.

She has not let me forget that this is HER shotgun....I 'borrow' it every time I can. It truly is that good.

Moral: If your wife says she wants to go to an estate sale or auction, it may just pay to check their listings and at least look. I now take the time and go to these things. Most of them are crap. However I have turned up some truly golden firearms deals at them. I scored a Les Baer .45 at one not long after she found the sxs. That alone keeps me motivated.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

After looking at their catalogue I just priced a #2 round at 5000 euros. That converts to $7388 and change.
I love SxS shotguns, I shoot them better and I think they are the most handsome of all shotguns. Many disagree with that but to each his own and if I had cash like that laying around I'd buy one in a heart beat.
I'm going to have to go back and look at what type recoil pads they install. Looking at the pics I didn't notice any at all.

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from MLH wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

Beautiful guns. Have to take a couple off the shelf each time I visit the local Cabela's Gun Library. Very light handling.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from The Armchair Ou... wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

If you hit the gun auctions, you can find some lovingly used English guns for less money, but you have to buy the quality and not the name. They may not have Purdey or Boss engraved on them, but the bargains are there if you look.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from cliff68 wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

Beautiflul guns and even though seemingly high priced they are a bargain for the work that goes into them. Just compare them to guns that cost twice as much and you won't see much difference. They also will only go up in value so it's hard to go wrong.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from bluegraytx wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

I purchased a Spanish 20 ga. double forty years ago. There was something special between us. I couldn't miss. Since I'd often hunted with other shotguns and never experienced that kind of magic, I could only attribute my success to the double. A few years later I was unceremoniously ushered out the door never to lay hands on that shotgun again. I never forgave her for that. May God rest her soul.

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from MStevenson wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

I have had two AYA 12 gauge side by sides (still have my favorite) and I agree they are extremely well made guns. For some reason I can shoot skeet better with this side by side than with my O/U or my A--5, and recoil is not a bad as some of my other side by side doubles, which puzzles me. These guns are so well machined that all of the screws and holes lime up perfectly paralell to the barrell. Wonderful guns: I'll never sell this one.

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from Sue Melus wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

Thanks for the report on Aya guns. And for setting me straight on how to pronounce their name!

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from Brian W. Thair wrote 5 weeks 6 days ago

I bought a Spanish-made, AYA look-alike, s/s 20. Beautiful metal work, excellent all-round fit and finish. What could go wrong? At 16 yds on the shot pattern board, the RH barrel shot 4" left of center.
Lesson learned: Go big or go home.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 5 weeks 3 days ago

Two cottontails on Saturday. One standing and the other at a high-speed run. Both went into the beef stew on Sunday. Quite good too.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 weeks 4 days ago

Moishe,
You want to sell that 311? I've had two, no need to explaine why I don't have them now. They really are great guns for the money. I want mine back.

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from Moishe wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

My Stevens 311 is not as pretty or as expensive, but I hit birds with it and that is what counts.

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from Moishe wrote 5 weeks 5 days ago

WA it would seem so. If I really wanted an AYA ,I could afford it well enough, I just like my Stevens, have had it 40 years, and its about the only thing my ex-wife did not get! {8^D

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from Moishe wrote 5 weeks 5 hours ago

Jim in Mo, Not really I bought it Originally for my sone, he gave it back after about three years and I have had it for about 35 years this time. they are getting scarce (in Excellent shape anyway)you can fine old rusty ones in pawn shops but who wants one of those? ;)

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from Moishe wrote 5 weeks 5 hours ago

sorry about the almost Germanic spelling of SON* lived there far too long.

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