Survival in this old world isn't possible, anyway. The best we can do is to get on the same page, team up and vote similarly when possible, and not give up on the best social contract devised, so far. I have had a mob on my doorstep, when my family was quaking in the bedrooms, and I was on the other side of the front door with a shotgun. There was not enough ammo or help, to make much of a difference. I am here because the mob decided to run down a few blocks farther, not because I am so very well prepared, or have a battery of fine weapons. Which I did, and do. Since then, I have given this survival thing a bit of thought, and have concluded:
---I will try to be a good neighbor...and take care of my family and other helpless neighbors..
---I won't be in the frame of mind to shoot down my local sheriff or deputies, nor my local National Guard boys...that is just the truth of it. They are not my enemy, nor I, theirs.
---I will hold the politicians to their campaign promises, as best I can, and encourage Truth along the way. That beats out 165 gr. boat-tails, most of the time.
---I will teach as many kids and women as I can how to shoot, and how to love their land and freedom. And I do that now, not waiting until a disaster.
---I will not be buying survivalist books, nor hate-filled books about Bush or Obama...some poor boob has to be the President, and I will pray for his or her soul. However, I will not trust any of them.

What will I do, should catastrophe reign for a while, such as in a dirty nuclear bomb in the city of Baltimore or Washington, D.C.?

Same as above, and try to raise some chickens, cut more wood for the stove, keep my garden going, and teach the ignorant know-it-all kids how to do the same. Looters might be shot, particularly at night, in and around the house. I have already let one village idiot off, when I could have taken his life. I am so GLAD that I did not shoot him down, just because I had the drop on him.

Personally, I think that shooters and hunters are the cream of the crop, generally...and that the rest of the country should be looking to us for stability, not for an isolationist, angry point of view. I also honestly think that we will band up together in local groups, most likely, to pool our strength, not leave our homes for the cabin or cave. That is when we speak quietly and carry a big stick...with hollow points.

There is no substitute for being prepared, but our people also need a temperate tongue, and wisdom, behind the pistols. We need to be trusted, smart, and reliable. And, truth be known, many of us are probably past the military age of our former years. We would, as needed, sell our lives dearly. That is a given. If you have ever tried to clean up the blood from a floor, or dig graves, you will find time for a little reflection. That kind of preparation is needed, too. Ask some wise old coot who has done it--he'll tell you the same, I believe.

Guys..you do realize that we are inventoring our batteries for all to see...?

Peace, backed with Sam Colt.

Blue

"US military? You're going to die real soon. (Think of yourself as an Afghan, without the years of experience)."

I don't know that Afghanistan is yet a shining example of the unstoppability of firepower.

"Mobs? Your going to die slower, but still soon."

It's less likely however if you're prepared and you get an honor guard on your way to Valhalla.

"If I were in a mob and wanted what you had, I'd set your house on fire and beat you to death when you waddled out with a bunch of guns and ammo strapped to your back."

If you were in a mob on my property, you wouldn't live to get within torch lobbing distance of my house. After picking off a modest fraction of mobbers, the smartest of such a dimwitted lot would decide that "somewhere else" is a better place to be.

"We've all been watching too many "Red Dawn" reruns."

Or we were paying attention to the riots in southcen Los Angeles and the lawlessness of New Orleans after Katrina.

But hey, you're right. Don't take any of this seriously. It could *never* happen to you. Heh heh.

This is a tough one, Dave. It all depends on what goes down. There have been some good suggestions here, and some not so good. So here's my 4 cents worth (would have been 2, but Obama's inflation is coming!).

Unless you are a Ph.D. chemist and can make weapons grade black powder out of native minerals, leave the flintlock guns out of this. It's just as easy to carry a pound of smokeless powder as black, and get incredibly superior ballistics along with a second (or third, fourth, even thirtieth) shot if you need one. I'm not going to be fumbling with a ramrod (or a Lee Loader) and loose components when the mob comes to call. I've loaded ammo laid aside for this.

Why would anyone pack a five pound bow and five more pounds of arrows, quivers, etc. (and pay a thousand bucks for same) when he can pack an extra ten pounds of ammunition? If bows were worth a rip against firearms the Indians would have won.

A .45 1911 is good because there are so many parts out there for it that it can be easily repaired if it breaks. But better is to bring a gun that doesn't rust or break in the first place, is half the weight, half the cost, and far tougher, like a Glock. A 1911 has a great trigger, so it is the best thing out there for shooting for trophies, but looters don't award trophies.

A 10/22 is perfect. They don't break (I've never even heard of a 10/22 breaking; certainly mine haven't), and .22 rimfire is all you need for 99% of the non-self-defense shooting you will be doing. 500 rounds of .22s go in the same box that holds about a dozen 12 gauge shells, and costs about the same. End of story.

For centerfire rifle, I'd like to put in a vote for the SKS. Another gun that doesn't break, is dirt cheap (you can get six or more SKS's for the cost of one decent AR or HK), and mine and every one I've shot keeps its bullets on a head sized target, using irons, at 200 yards. The H & K is a super rifle, and it doesn't break, but it weighs a ton. I'd rather hump an SKS or AR and 60 rounds of ammo than a ten pound HK and no rounds. That a .308 can take elk at 300 yards will matter not a bit when the power goes off and the fires start. That with an AR or SKS you can lug the same weight and carry more ammo, might. With the SKS, that you can AFFORD the guns and ammo you need NOW, might also matter later. By the way, 7.62 x 39 is a decent little round; if you can't kill a deer with this load, HT762X39150/20
7.62X39, 150gr JSP, 2300fps, 1762ftlbs
http://www.dakotaammo.net/products/corbon/hunter.htm
... then you can't with a .30-30 or .308, either.

Everyone needs a shotgun. Naturally, if you are escorting your family to the SUV through rioting mobs, the 12 gauge is the big dog. At bedroom range, when you shoot an unarmored target with ANY 12 gauge load, even a skeet load, the fight is over (I've seen it). It's just that the ammo is so bulky compared to .22 or even .223 or 7.62 that you aren't going to carry much of it, relatively speaking.

Finally, none of us is going to 'live off the land' when the hammer falls. Don't think you are going to go on a lifelong hunting and fishing trip while the rest of the world starves in the cities. Will you really be squandering irreplaceable shotgun shells on wing shots at twelve ounce partridges? Forget the Rambo stuff, or the Hiawatha scenario; if you have a wife and kids it ain't gonna fly. Get real and get prepared. Move to a small town a couple hundred miles from any big city, and make friends with your neighbors. Lay in a supply of necessities. And see Dave's blog on packing like a Navy Seal; one is none, two is one.

Who is gonna scream "Wolverines!!!!!" this time??
I did it last time....LOL

Amflyer, your mob might come to burn down my house, but you will lack $13 of having 47 cents when I get done. You don't want any of it.

"But if you pick on the Marines, or Army, or whomever, chances are your going to get hurt."

The whole thing sure I agree. If you're dealing with some post-gov't subset however, no the USMC and Army aren't going to be that powerful. Those institutions are nothing without the US civilian infrastructure that provides the logistics for their operations. And, whether you like it or not, the baddies in Afghanistan and Viet Nam did a fine job messing up our armed forces, even with all the economic strength and logistics on our side.

The thing about counterinsurgency is that it's all about breaking enemy morale. If you've already surrendered to the mob, sir, you've already lost.

Dave should not forget to pack his pictures of Elisha Cuthbert. After all, you probably won't be shooting stuff all of the time.

Mike Diehl,
My 300 Whisper will be even more quiet and will hit them MUCH harder.

You can carry all the guns into the wilderness you want, but if you look @ the numbers of diabetic and overweight Americans you might want to include your insulin and blood pressure meds.....

Amflyer,
Way to suck all the fun of this! With that said, I generally agree with you. We as humans are much more likely to work together in any sort of a catostrophic disastor than turn on each other. (Although the Katrina aftermath showed there will always be bad apples.)

As long as were are bringing reality into this equation. Running and hiding is not a bad strategy if your out numbered which takes me back to my "one gun travel light" theory. Hey, it ain't pretty in the movies but your alive to return the favor on your own terms.

Well now, this is an interesting topic DP has raised from the dead(or at least dying)discussion.
Most of us wouldn't "run for hills" in the first place unless our home was demolished which I assume would happen when one's family wasn't in it? Getting past this issue,a "survival" bid is relevant to how many of your party need to survive. If you have something of practical value(food,water, portable shelter)you will be DEFENDING it, not picking off squirrels for the wild stew pot dinner.
Get this-You will most likely need to kill another human being for the sake of your survival. Depending on the civil emergency, this "enemy" may not be a foreign soildier...but a domestic one! Now, why am reading all this? Because I am bored, think these dooms day people are not dealing with a full deck, and although an organized society may have problems, it sure beats waiting to "pick someone off out younder" for the sake of basic survival.......
BUT Just in case my theory sucks-
I would take the following:
My bolt .270Savage(w/open sights)
.357 Ruger
.22 bolt action(also w/open sights)
and two shot guns(12ga for protection and .410 for game)
and my compound bow...

Well, Amflyer is pretty much right. Any "fortress" can be reduced. None of us could hold out all that long against a mob, and sure enough, somebody would manage to set the house on fire. The only way we'd survive is to maintain some kind of "community." You'd have to depend upon your neighbors, and they'd have to depend upon you. Otherwise, imagine "Zombieland" except that the zombies are gangs of displaced scum and people who are just plain desperate. The "side" that has organization and discipline--as well as resources--is the "side" that will endure and win. But as for a "survivalist" fending off displaced hordes of "zombies," forget it. Sooner or later you're going down, just like at the Alamo!

I love reading these responses…including mine at the top. The Social aspects of what the bloggers write baffles me in 300-years of history is ignored.

Just recall this country was set up to self-sustaining and self-govnoring colonies. That basic form…the town meeting….is hard wired into our being.

The USA suffered and survived the Civil War and the Great Depression without too much fuss.

In the scenarios mentioned, although I could probably stand guard at nights and do my security part….I best become part of a community that has a good pharmacy. I’m really too old to run too far and I take too many pills with my morning coffee. I’m also smart and experienced enough to know being a “Survivalist” means a good chance of not making it through a NY Winter without starving, freezing, or dying of disease. No gun[s] are going to change this basic.

Very interesting discussion, but I think I'd revert to the idea of survival, not confrontation to force. Regardless of "Red Dawn", I'm hiding out in the hinterlands (yes, I know where, they'll be a long time finding me), trying to survive and save those near and dear to me, not waging war.
The .22 seems to be the best,lightest, cheapest and overall best "survival" piece.
Better spend the weight I carry on shelter, warmth, and
health items.

I basically agree with Petzal. My choices would be a Winchester lever action Mdl. 9422 (.22 cal.), a Kimber Elite Carry .45 ACP with Chip McCormack 8 round mags, a Scattergun Technologies Remington Police 870 with extended mag, tritium front sight, ghost ring rear, and my Springfield Arsenal SOCOM 16 (.308 20-rd mags) with a Zeiss Z-Point red dot sight. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if we need to wait for them to come for us, or us to boot them out. They keep pushing a Marxist/Socialist agenda, it's hard to say how folks will react.

I'm going to nominate a spear gun as well. If you are near water, a spear gun can help you get a variety of sea creatures that your guns are going to be useless against. It could also be used as a self defense weapon in a pinch (and one with unlimited ammo.)

And don't forget the lifetime's supply of Zyprexa.

hal,herring

Lots of good suggestions posted so far. To any of the lists I'd add a good sheath knife with a strong blade - I like my KaBar - and a sharpening stone. That, with a .22 LR repeater, a .45 semi-auto handgun, an 870 pump with no plug (better yet, an 8-shot magazine), and the big game rifle of your choice (mine would be a bolt action .30-06). Those would work.

I know this is a hypothetical situation, but really, who are all you guys fighting off anyway? US military? You're going to die real soon. (Think of yourself as an Afghan, without the years of experience) Mobs? Your going to die slower, but still soon.

If I were in a mob and wanted what you had, I'd set your house on fire and beat you to death when you waddled out with a bunch of guns and ammo strapped to your back.

We've all been watching too many "Red Dawn" reruns.

Let’s see here?

A Ruger 10/22, I’d go for that!

A Model 1911 (any make) in .45 ACP? WELL?
The FN Five-seveN® comes to mind, you can carry a ton of ammo and have the range and knockdown to!

A Remington 870 modified for combat, YEP!

An AR-15 in .223 for the women, or an H&K Model 91 in .308 for the men

Yep!, AR15 in 223 for the Women, but I’ll pick the M1A in 308 for the Men, 1000 yards of “DOA”!

Fine topic Dave! Gives you the warm fuzzies I bet. I'd stick w/ stuff I've already got since gun shopping would probably be a little tough during all-out anarchy.
1. Ruger 10/22
2. Springfield 1911
3. AK-47
4. Winchester pre-64 Mod. 70, .270
5. Win. SuperX2 12 ga.
6. Taurus PT92 9mm
7. all the ammo I can carry
8. Good knife,hatchet,saw
That's a good start.

@Focusfront -

The reason why people are talking about bows and muzzleloaders are, as noted, because the scenarios posited here are so varying. If you're running, and all you have to worry about are some sort of short term economic or governance problem (say, a scale of 1-2 years), then you can skip bows and muskets and the like, because you can assume that some sort of return to stability will follow that will allow you access to machined cartridges, primers, and nitrocellulose based powders.

If you're defending a position, say a community, there's no harm in having a muzzleloader or bow. They're not your "reach for" weapons when the mob or the Orcs or the Undead are charging the barricades.

But if you're two years out of an economic or governmental collapse you can bet ANY kind of cartridge ammo, primers, or shot will be in very very very low supply. So you've won the first round, the Troll Legions and Genghis Khan's Hoards have been repelled. But there's still no nitro, no brass, etc.

In that event, blackpowder is VERY easy to make (you don't need a PhD, you just need a recipe book, the ingredients are common enough), and lead shot is easy to make too (won't be any shortage of batteries lying around in unused cars).

"If you're thinking about fighting people with knives, you had better play "Chappie's tape", because a lot of "Stuff" has already gone really wrong with your plan."

#1 Rule: Plan for what the opfor might do, rather than for what you expect them to do, and rather than for what would be convenient for you to have them do.

#2 Rule: something is very likely to go quite wrong with your plan, so have a deep, flexible, fault-tolerant plan.

Mr. Deihl:
I disagree on the disoriented ,powerless, Civilian logistic support dependant military.
I speak first hand on that!
The military can hold it's own through training and Large and Small group leadership. I'm sure there would be alot of personnel seeking protection from the military and law enforcement in that type of scenerio

Mr. Deihl By the way only about 60,000 us troops died in vietnam compared to well over 500,000 vietnam troops. I dont think we got our asses handed to us. Also in afghanistan about 800 us troops and well over 10,000 insurgents so far so its bullshit sir. You can only do so much when politics get involved in war techniques and strategies and especially rules of engagement.

I think that over time people begin to live in a fantasy more than reality when it comes to speculating about big events like the ones proposed here. People easily look past the reality of life. The reality here, if you live in America right now you are more dependent upon the group than you could ever imagine. If our entire electricity supply was shut down right now, I don't think that even 10 percent (yeah, that includes all the hard core survivalists out there) would really make it through the first winter. All of the talk about defending houses and shooting neighbors like they were a video game "bad guy" is nonesense. Your neighbors, like it or not, are as smart as you and as skilled as you, and would likely have an equal chance of picking you off in the night with a subsonic 22 or a .50BMG from a mile away, while you sat trying to take a dump in a bucket in your garage because your septic system failed. People forget that they aren't Rambo. Rambo was not even Rambo. Realizing limitations is neccessary for successful survival. Also a humbling thought is that if someone wanted any one of us dead at this point and time, there is nothing stopping anyone from walking up to any one of us and pulling a trigger. Not many of us are ready to enter full combat situations on our way out the door to work or while we are out mowing the lawn. Those are just reactions I have when I hear people debating how they are going to take a muzzleloader up into the mountains with them because then they can reformate black powder by finding charcoal, and sulfur and then form some sort of ignition system. I know it is possible to cut your own arrows because it has been done before, but I dare anyone to walk out into the woods, cut their own arrows from wood, and then shoot a deer with it, all while slowly freezing and starving to death. Knives rust, guns rust, equipment fails, and ammo runs out. We are a thousand times more likely to die from smoking or diabetes.

"If we are talking about complete breakdown not just of the government and economy but civilization itself, then the ability to fire one slow shot from a flintlock (unless you know how to get hold of fulminate of mercury for a percussion cap), when nobody else shoot at all, would have value."

Excatly the reason to have a muzzle-loader. As I noted before, the whole question is really several questions all rolled into one. If you're defending a community you make one choice, if you're running another, and if you think long term societal collapse is the order of business, you make a plan with some time-depth. The muzzle-loader backup is a hedge against long-period collapse.

"But most doomsday scenarios involve short-term survival, a couple of years at the most, before some kind of government again raises its head."

Sure. The thing is this is all speculation. You plan for what may happen not what you're confident would happen.

"Even if the bad times last for a couple of years, five hundred rounds of centerfire rifle ammo, the same for pistol, five thousand rounds of .22 Long Rifle, and a hundred shotgun shells should allow you to hold out.."

Sure, as long as you are more or less in a rural area and not having to fight an insurgency trying to deprive you of what you have.

We should all give up our guns and by our good example we will usher in peace on earth!!!

So get with the program or we'll have to send you to the Gulag!

More and more I'm amused with how the question "So, as Der Tag nears my question to you all is, what would you take to the hills with?" on a forum that generally gets well into double digits on responses has turned into a hundred and some responses ranging from answering the question to how big of a threat the U.S. military poses.
As another, other aside, I think the U.S. military is the most powerful thing stalking the planet, however I think the U.S. soldier is also one of the most moral.

"I just know the capabilities of one of the greatest militaries in the modern world and the will of free men and women."

Remember, the Bushido Spirit will always prevail if applied with sufficient will and determination. Not.

"Food can be found almost everywhere... you gotta remember in a chaotic situation abandoned homes, stores etc.. source of food."

Uh huh. All those civilians are just going to abandon it to you?

"Farms, Crops,"

And if the civilian populace calculates it does not need you or feel like supporting you, then....?

"Wildlife."

Right. Like I said, if you're feeding anything remotely as large as a regimental combat team on "Wildlife" you no longer have a field capable force.

"What I speak of has nothin to do with guns... it has to do with improvising... using your head thinking outside the box.. High Speed."

I know what yer talking about, general, I just don't share your opinion that no one else has thought about it.

"I don't know why some people want to paint the military as some kind of thugs that are just gonna turn on it's own people or just fall apart in a scenerio filled with chaos."

You got it wrong there, general. No one's trying to "Paint the military" as anything at all. But I didn't write the "no government no currency" scenario. I'm just addressing it.

Call me a cynic if you like, but I think Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle got it about right even if their scenario was a bit more cataclysmic than "economic and governmental collapse."

Dave DID ask a simple question, so that is why I stuck with guns and didn't get into MREs, water purifiers, means of starting a fire, etc. when speaking of surviving the apocalypse.

Mr. Diehl, there is only so much room in the back of your station wagon. You and your muzzleloader are the ones doing the dreamy speculation here; if I have room in my car for lead, black powder, and a nine pound 48" long flintlock, I've got room for another SKS and a lot more ammo. I can tell you for sure that whatever happens in the long haul, we are guaranteed to be up to our bee-hinds in alligators in the short. Every time there has been a power outage in New York, Chicago, etc. every window within rock throwing distance of the ground was instantly broken and the stores instantly looted. Some coppers roughed up a lowlife on film fifteen years ago in L.A. and the town went nuts for days. A big storm hit LA four years ago and what the waves didn't carry away from New Orleans, the looters did.

The problem with running is that anywhere you run to that's worth living in has people living there already. Such people are likely to consider you and your carload of bows and black powder weapons to be a danger to them. Your best strategy is to run to that place NOW, so that when the ball drops they know you for a friend and ally.

One good consistent thing most bloggers here have done is pick out guns that (except for that 5.7 pistol, cool though it is) take common ammo. Everybody running needs at least one gun that is easily refueled. In this respect the .22 rimfire is king. A .45 is good, but a revolver like a Ruger convertible in .357/ .38/ 9mm would be a handy thing to have stashed somewhere, just because if you can't get ammo that gun can shoot, you can't get ammo period. Same goes for something that shoots .30-30 or .30-06, even if it is a Handi-rifle; every hardware store in the country sells .30-30 or .30-06; can't say that for .300 WSM or .50 cal. Browning.

HEY! Dont forget about being in top physical condition too. A person in better physic has a better chance of long term survival then most of our obese americans in our country today. Just another thing to think about.

Just staying put inside, not letting anyone know your intentions, essentially, keeping your f'n mouth shut about whats happening! Then:

.22 for those close in targets- not awares you're hidden inside-harrassing fire
12 ga. shotgun for those brave enough to charge the house
.300 Savage rifle for those targets down the street
.250 Savage rifle use this while letting the .300 cool down
30-06 scoped, for the longer shots
.223 scoped to take out and dismantle those not able to determine I mean it
I have 2000 rounds for each of these, plus a 6" 629 to take care of the survivors left in the street, "IF" there are any. Plus reloading abilities for each firearm. Then be ready to meet your Maker when all else fails!

The most important weapon when and IF the SHTF:

Community.

Squaredneck painted the picture perfectly. The closest we have gotten to the s$*t hitting the fan at any point in recent memory is the mass devastation of a major event such as a hurricane. During these times if everyone took to the hills and waited for the chaos to clear up, nothing would get done.

I am not advocating watching out for your yourself and your loved ones by being prepared. Quite the opposite. Be prepared first. Save your family before you focus on someone else. But after you have solidified your safety, it is then time to help your fellow man because the help you will receive from them in return may perhaps save your own life in the event of the "SHTF".

On a tangent:
These "mobs" that people speak of. Uh....won't they be armed as well? Outnumbered + outgunned = dead.
I'm glad that I'm still not convinced that we will ever see roving mobs of people roaming the country/city side for our MRE's.

Any good 22 rifle with lots and lots of ammo.

Reliable, popular model 12-ga shotgun in pump or auto.

Good bolt action rifle in 308 or 30-06.

Handgun? Yeah, if I had any spare cash and room in my packs. If there’s no good protective community, I’ll be moving around as horse nomad. “Forting up” isn’t for me.

BTW that guy on the cover looks like a good target.

If I had one gun it would be a 12 gauge such as an 870 with two barrells. It may be limited in range, but can take down any animal in North America bird, predator, or any other game. Plus ammunition for a 12 gauge can easly be found throughout the country.

I would definitely take my recurve bow, and my compound bow along with two of the same 12 gauge shotguns with lots of ammo. The bows are silent and have basically unlimited ammo. The recurve could be used with homemade wooden arrows. I would take two of the same shotguns so all my ammow would work in either gun and incase one malfunctions, I would have spare parts. You can shoot 12 gauge slugs accurately enough to feed your family and defend against marauders but I would also have some shot for shooting at smaller game and birds.

What no bow ? ( of any kind ).
I'm taking a .22, .45, my .300 Win and a couple of bow's.
Unlimited ammo ya' know ! Oh almost forgot an 835 Ulti for birds, etc ...

Hey, sgaredneck, fill me in on the $13 short of 47 cents thing. I'm slow today. I bet I should get that reference, but I don't.

im going with my
AR-15 223
Remington 1100 12ga tactical
Glock 22 40 cal
and Ruger 10/22

The bad guys won't know if you used a tactical shotgun or Ol' Betsy but they'll be just as dead with either. Just have the right ammo, plenty of MREs the guns you and your family can use well. Keep those kids and the love of your life (the wife, not your black lab) shooting skills up with practice. At the least they can be reloaders.

I would take just about any bolt action in .308 for long range shooting, An AK-47 in .308 (only because they are a hell of a lot more reliable than M4's or any of them), probably an M9 just for the clip capacity, and one of those "trench knives." They have about a 5-6 inch blade, brass knuckles as a handle, and a spike type deal on the bottom to smack down on the enemies head. Oh and a fully functioning ammo factory hahah! I would be able to survive a LONG time up at my cabin.

Clay; I'm with you. Don't let anybody get anywhere near you with that FN Five-Seven, that is one lethal, traumatic round! That's what I was saying, engage them before they can get a shot off, because the ammo they can buy will penetrate body armor and kevlar helmets, that's what it's sole purpose in life is to do.
I was just joking about the 338, to let you know there's no hard feelings on my part. I have two boxes of Hornady 225's and another of 250's at home that I load up because they are cheap and accurate.

Hypothethetically: I guess Id' have to say:
Tent,
Canned stuff
Weapon wise:
Knives
30-06 Savage with Scope
12 ga Mossberg
Springfield Armory SD-40
Ammo of course (Variety helps)
Bow and its accessories
Fishing tackle/poles
Family
My Gear
Rope
550 cord
Chainsaw Creating obstacles(Delay tactics)
Animal traps
Truck

Gotta love country living

You can always scavange for extra rounds and stuff you may need later / enroute. You may pick up mil psec hrdware

Head for high ground and link up with family. If you're smart and have one already a cabin in the mountains pre dispositioned for anything and stocked. or a cave.

If I had a choice I'd bring along my Rem. 740 in 30-06, my Ruger 10-22, a gilli suit, and a Raytheon thermal imager. Any thing else I needed could be picked up safely at night from the hordes of Democrats who tried to play catch up but got smoked trying to figure out why the shotgun shell won't go in the handgun!