Bella, your article is based on the etymology of the word "liberal". This has never been about etymology but about politics and culture. It doesn't matter what the etymology is, when the CONNOTATION is what counts -- and liberals have never been about the principles of liberty... If you are stuck on the Latin meaning, then by all means feel free to choose a different moniker -- "a rose by any other name..." works well even when the subject is something less delightful than a rose.

Yohon: Reading your posts is like reading some foreign language with which I would be only marginally familiar. It actually costs me mental energy to decipher what you are trying to say. In keeping with politeness and decency, that is all I'll say.

You may think this is crazy, but this is where ObamaCare will lead us to. There are many doctors who see hunting and all firearms sports as inherently dangerous and will over regulate it in the name of safety. They don't like ATV's either. This is just the "puddinization" of America that Oprah and the View want of the male population. Guys can't do anything that John Wayne would have done anymore. They want to be able to push guys around with a spoon like a bowl of pudding. America WAKE UP, grow spine. I know lots of "outdoor" types who run, hike and kayak that don't know one end of a rod, reel or gun from another. I kayak with a rod in one hand, I hike with a rifle, I don't have to run. As Hank Jr. would say, "I've got a shotgun, rifle and a 4wheel drive, a country boy will survive! I can skin a buck, run a trot line, a country boy will survive!" I'm a Conservationist not an environmentalist. I support DU, BASS and the NRA. My version of PETA is People Eating Tasty Animals. Adapt, overcome, prevail. Fight OBAMACARE now or outdoorlife as WE know will change forever! We live in the Greatest country the world has ever seen. Why change it? Life's hard, it's harder when your dumb! Stupid is as stupid does.

Bella, every damnfool idea is sure coming from the liberals now. No denying. And liberal does not stand for liberty OR freedom.

Well ol' bluegraytx, sorry to ruffle your feathers with the truth. Now if we can just throw out the liberals and rino conservatives who are in the process of destroying this great country that the "progressive" marxists hate so much, we might just be able to rreturn to our former greatness. Grow up and stop blaming Bush and Cheney. You may want a bullet-proof vest after all when the wonderful libs come after your guns, money, property, etc. Oh yeah, just how is that "Hope and Change working for YOU? You need to listen to Rush. Maybe then you would be informed as to what is going on.
Oh, and Merry Christmas.

Entirely appropriate for a day afield with Dick Cheney, whose shotgunning skills make such a vest a prerequisite for pheasant hunting!

Well, a lot of energy has been depleated reading through this thread, that's for sure! Thanks, KJ, for trying to bring this serious derailment back on track. I too have mused the logic of camo underwear. And camo key holders, camo cell phones, camo baby diapers, etc. Nothing like dropping your cell or one of those fancy camo mitts when you're out hunting and not being able to find it again. Whoever it was way back up there somewhere that said he/she suspected this armored vest was some kind of ploy to sucker wives of rich hunteres into buying useless and very, very expensive gizmos is probably more correct than we wish to admit. My wife and kids are always buying me presents for hunting or fishing that I can't use. But it's the thought that counts and I would never say anything. And I'm sure the outfit selling this stupid vest is banking on that logic to make their bucks. By the way, did anyone catch that bit about countering the weight of birds in the vest by making the vest heavier. Huh? We'll make things lighter by making them heavier? Har, Har! Amazing how advertising executives think they can change the laws of physics with the wave of a pen! This whole thing would be a hilarious riot if it wasn't such a swindle.

@nc30-06 ... if it wasn't for liberals, you'd still be bowing to the Queen of England. This country was created with liberal ideas and continues to be the greatest country in the world because once in a while we're smart enough to throw out those idiots who believe bankers and corporate executives are honest, dependable folk and that so-called free enterprise will solve all our problems. (Yeah, right. How has that worked out for you?) Best stop listening to Rush and his ilk and start thinking about how we're going to dig ourselves out of this monstrous economic hole that Bush and Cheney put us in before we have to start wearing those bullet proof vests to the grocery store.

Actually, I'm surprised this idea hasn't thought of before! I mean, you know, maybe bullistic long underwear...Kevlar orange hunter beanie cap perhaps?
The choices are endless!

I belive that a ballistic hunting vest is a little extreme.

on a different note where is the face shield and helmet to with it

Sell them in New York. Open a shop in Times Square and maybe Bloomberg will buy one.

fliphunter, that might solve a lot of things if Peta people wanted to try it.

Wellllll, With the shotgun toting idiots in NJ blasting every bush that shakes with buckshot hoping a deer will fall out of it it might be a good idea. You learn to hunt VERY defensively there, even went as far as going to pit blinds instead of tree stands there, much safer.

bluegraytx, now figure out how much you have paid in and total what you are getting back and see if you still think it is a good deal. Just a liberal government Ponzi scheme.
I am in total agreement with you as to the fact that there are some conservative anti-gunners people and politicians. The conservative anti-gunner politicians need to be exposed and weeded out. It is a fact though, that there are so many more liberals who hate guns, freedom, lower taxes, etc.
Nothing personal meant to you by my comments. We may even agree on some things, just not politics.

I'm not a hundred percent sure you guys are thinking about this thing in the right way. A bulletproof game vest is a silly idea, and I'd never, ever wear it hunting, but let me tell how you COULD be looking at this vest.

Even back when I had a couple of assault rifles, my house gun was my Model 94 Winchester in .30-30. Why was that? Because if I ever did have to grudgingly help some misguided young man shuffle off his mortal coil after finding him holding one of my daughters at knifepoint, I would rather face his mama's lawyers having shot him with a deer rifle than an assault rifle. His mama's lawyer will portray me as a psycho who lay in wait for an opportunity to snuff some up-and-coming young man if given the slightest justification, and using an assault rifle would aid him in that effort. Keep in mind that the jury will be made up of people his mama's lawyer will hand-pick, and my decision to use a rifle like John Wayne's rather than John Rambo's is even smarter.

Besides, I've seen .223 wounds and .30-30 wounds, and while the .223 gets the job done, you can hardly believe what a .30-30 does to a man at close range.

If God forbid your region has a power outage, or a hurricane, or even enough economic malaise that the welfare checks show up two weeks late, you may have to get on your roof with a gun to keep the zombies away. And when you do, you may wish you were wearing this 'hunting' vest. If I didn't have to buy food and gas, I know I'd have one. Even though I'd never, ever wear it hunting.

Sounds like a G-I-M-I-C-K! What kind of idiot sees blaze and still shoots?

+1, carney!

O.H. Good one!

Maybe this vest is in response to the bumper sticker/t-shirt slogan "I support the right to arm Bears."

I wonder how many they've sold? I would hope that anyone with $800 to throw at this was smart enough to know they don't need it but maybe not. Doesn't a real BPV cost around $500-$750?

I have a Carhartt blanket insulated ranch coat that did a pretty fair job of repelling a load of 7 1/2's at about 60-70 yards. The back of my neck wasn't quite as tough, however.

yohan- may have had a point could always get one for your dog especially when your neighbors have the brown its down attitude.. DON'T TELL PETA! they ll be running through the woods with theses things tryn to jump in front of animals and what not..

There is always some nut trying to sell someting so totally out of reason some one will buy it.

Phil, you are right and yes, some boob has come up with something worse...video hunting... where one can shoot an animal by remote control. For the person who has everything of course!

I thought battery-powered socks were the worst hunting product ever, but this trumps them, I believe.

> I received this in an email--just thought I'd share. GPM
>
> >
> > OKLAHOMA MAY JUST BE THE PLACE TO LIVE!
> >
> >
> > An update from Oklahoma :
> >
> > Oklahoma law passed, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment
> > toplace the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol.
> > The feds in D.C., along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake.. Hey
> > this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...! HB 1330
> >
> > Guess what.......... Oklahoma did it anyway.
> > Oklahoma recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal
> > immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from unless they want to
> > get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. HB
> > 1804. Hope we didn't send any of them to your state. This was against
> > the
> > advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a
> > mistake.
> >
> > Guess what.......... Oklahoma did it anyway.
> >
> > Recently we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegals
> > to
> > the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said
> > it
> > was unconstitutional. SB 1102
> >
> > Guess what......... Oklahoma did it anyway.
> >
> > Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign
> > state, not under the Federal Government directives. Joining Texas ,
> > Montana and Utah as the only states to do so. More states are likely to
> > follow: Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, the Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky,
> > Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, Mississippi, Florida. Save your
> > confederate money, it appears the South is about to rise up once again..
> > HJR 1003
> >
> > The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns..
> > Oklahoma,
> > a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to
> > bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a set
> > back for the criminals (and Obamaites). Liberals didn't like it -- But
> > ...
> >
> >
> > Guess what........... Oklahoma did it anyway.
> >
> >
> >
> > Just this month, my state has voted and passed a law that ALL driver's
> > license exams will be printed in English, and only English, and no other
> > language. We have been called racist for doing this, but the fact is that
> > ALL of our road signs are in English only. If you want to drive in
> > Oklahoma
> > , you must read and write English. Really simple.
> >
> > By the way, Obama does not like any of this.
> > Guess what....who cares... Oklahoma is doing it anyway.
> > To Verify:
> >
>
> > ;
> > http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-01-09-immigcover_N.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > ___
>

Bella, although I respect your opinion, my bread is buttered on the other side. I am a right-wing-conservative Christian and not ashamed to say so. I am also a depressed patriot of the U.S.A.--the country I love is deteriating before my very eyes. These modern day liberals have not much in common with the liberty that our forefathers founded this country on. The founding fathers that signed the constitution had a different view on liberty and would be concidered conservative by today's standards. You got upset at me on another F&S blog because I blamed some liberal-left-wing groups and people for what is wrong with this country. I remember a time when I had more liberty to enjoy my interests: hunting,fishing,dirt bike riding, walking in the woods,etc. without any problems and there were also more places to enjoy them. I guess I just like things the way they used to be and resent people and groups who come along and change them. I believe others on here feel the same way I do. Don't get me wrong, I still think this country has potential and I have high hopes for it, but there is someone who has a far lesser place in America then they did when it was once the great nation it used to be. Guess who

Carney, well said.

Carney
Last post has lines that are incomple
hit the wrong button before I could complete
Don't have time this morning to go back
I trust however you get "the gist" and will not deplete too much energy reading.

Perhaps the orange Kevlar vest is best intended for hunting guides who take amateur sportsmen on well lubricated luxury canned hunts. If one had to go hunting with someone one didn't trust it might be handy. Is there room for a trauma plate? I always refer to my (legally mandated) orange hunting vest as my "don't shoot me vest". The notion of a "don't shoot me" lined with kevlar seems to up the ante to a "didn't I just tell you not to shoot me!" vest.
It is a thing an anxious wife might insist her hubbie wear for her own peace of mind.

Greenpondmike it is always better to focus on common ground and remember good times. We both hunt and fish, like to shoot our guns and cherish what little time we have in the wild. Let this be our unity then, and the rest really doesn't matter. The woods is what matters, in the long run.

Durant Oklahoma, Denison Texas,are both close to lake Texoma.

I'd love to guess the TV hunting personality,...but i wont.

Well Clay the last time I laughed so spontainioulsy
was when my long time friend "Homer"
( fake name to protect his real ID ) told me 30+ years after the incedent
About the time he mistook the "high end toy poodle" owned by the local ( uppity) family for a rat.
There is usualy one or two (uppity families) in any town certian their feces smells like strawberry ice cream.
Homer shot the rat ,err uh poodle thinking it was a rat. Oeher circumstance were bearing at the time but it was a mistake, and I know he regrets it to this day .
Shooting the poodle that is.

That you love your GI Fieled jacket,.
damn near more than life itself YUK YUK
there can be no doubt.
Don't believe it would be wise for anyone to try to relieve you of it neither no how .. YUK YUK

I would rather get shot than pay $900 for that s***. What a liberal idea.

I'm 44 years old and have had no gun related accidents in 22 years. I can't say that for the first 22 years. 1)When I was a teenager, I was on the other side of a brier patch from my friend when some dove or qual flew up. My friend was alright,but had to go fetch his hat that I shot off of his head.2)Was unloading same gun,(ithaca 37 featherweight)and blew a hole through the wall of my room into the kithchen cabinets on the other side.3)Almost shot my foot with same gun.4)I finally grew up at age 22 when I shot myself in the leg with .38 special rat shot while thinking that I was gently uncocking the revolver--my thumb must have slipped on the hammer. That vest would have perfect for anybody that went hunting with me back then. The funny thing is that friend still goes hunting with me--I guess he knows that last accident rattled my cage enough to change me.

BUCKSTOPPER FOR PRESIDENT!!

GMP,Carny,CRM30/06 you were all on the money today!!!!

Bella, sorry I cannot agree with you this time.

Hate and resentment are two different things.I never said I hated anybody.I do hate some people's ways without hating them personally.Ontario Honker,you threw me in with the wrong batch. I don't know and don't want to know anybody like you described.

stryker

What city or twn is near lake Texoma ?

Body armor is a symptom of Godlessness in my opinion. I hated wearing it in the Army and I would never wear it hunting!

Almost all of this thread belonged in the Backfire section in Messages Board. Only one thing scares me more than some senseless Muslim radical terrorist wrapping himself in explosives: that's a bigot phoney Christian anarchist wrapping him/herself up in the Stars and Stripes - and lots of guns and ammo. Both are hate mongers. One is a lot closer to home than the other. Peace on Earth? Not with those guys around. Maybe not even peace in my neighborhood.

Wow this is a hot subject no doubt!! Just watch though a nut will get a "hunting vest" go off and do some f'' up s''t and because it was a ''hunting vest'''''''
We the over worked god fearing taxpaying law abiding ppl will be the group that is looked down upon..When in the light of things it aint our dumb idea !!

Listen up guys, this is actually put out by PETA.
Their next operation is to make blanks in all common sizes cleverly disguised as actual rounds and at a very low (attractive) price.
We'll all be running around in full body armor and not hitting anything.
PETA will be very happy.

Once again you "cons" don't respond to my challenges, you just go straight to the name calling ad hominum attacks (and don't forget that "-" key). I suppose that persons who lack the ability to think critically and logically cannot be expected to actually reply to a rational statement, but that is one of the problems in America today, that ignorance is paraded as virtue. Fundies who are parents would rather their kids be ignorant than recieve any teachings that contradict their 16th century world view. People espouse a christian takeover of the government while railing at the muslims trying to take over their own governments. Meanwhile the multinational corporations manipulate both sides while they can still engage in war profiteering. It is Socialism for the Rich and "capitalism" for the poor and delusionary people clamour against the very public option health care plans that might make going to the doctor something a body could actually afford on a weeks paycheck. I have actually seen signs saying "hands off my medicare" and "no socialized healthcare" on the same sign! Go figure!
So you seditious disloyal lovers of totalitarianism, go kneel at the feet of Beck and Limbaugh and totalitarianism is what you get. Crash the system because you dislike the Democratically Elected President and disloyal seditious traitors is just what you are. The majority elected him. If you don't like it you have 3 years or you can go elsewhere. Obama isn't perfect, he's even pissed me off, but I am a loyal American, and a veteran. The last administration, gamed the system and was giving away the store to cronies. The middle class has never been in worse shape than after Bush, who did everything possible to shield the rich and put the burden on an already badly strained middle class, who were also expected to provide the warfighters for their trumped up war. Now the same tools of the fools who crashed the economy keep spreading sedition and lies and I can understand that there are those who prefer the lies Faux news spreads, but that doesn't make them true. Give me John Stewart any day!

I get really sick of idjits blaming every damfool idea on liberals. You'd think people didn't value liberty. Liberal= liberty. At any rate, I really don't think that this was designed by any sort of progressive, but more likely by cons who typically use fear to merchandize their products. Like the Iraq war for instance...
At any rate fools will buy any dang thing.
I actually had a couple square yards of ballistic kevlar, after the flap over the second chance ballistic vests issued to the local PD that turned out defective, I gave it all to the cops so they could add some layers to their vests. Of course though the last time a cop fired his service piece in this town was when a Sargent shot up his own cruiser to add veracity to his disability claim. (he ain't on the force no more).

Moshie ,. Im watching,. you are carefull ,. which is good and you figured me out pretty quick

I do like to stir the pot,.. especially when really
stupid M frs walk out in the open and start acting like they got a clue or an IQ over 89

So Nc 30-06 your beginning to sound like that little sawed off popcorn fart from texas,..Ole crm 4 1/2 ' pp
He's had his head up A for so long the methane scrambled his sawed of little texas brains and probaably shrunk up is littel texas nads beyond repair.

So lemme see,.try this
If your old enough to get a social security check or "Jo Mamma or Jo Daddy are ,..
Then post haste (that means rigth f g now in Yankee talk ) get your dum A44 over to there house.
Take the SS check away( or the money left over) and you give back to Howdy Duty and the hunter ( Bush and and evil MF Chaine )
Cause for dam sure they have a better more univerally bennificial use for it than you or your parents.Like maybe rent or taxes and food.
SS was and is liberal idea opposed by republican farmers many of which would be living in card board boxe if not for SS
And if Bush and his morons handnt started steeling from the fund we would be flsuh now ,.
But you just keep going,.. your on the raod that leads up you own A so far a compas a GPS and Nanuck of the North ( or South ) will never get you out.

Jaaysus ,. where to they f ing come from