


February 02, 2010
Petzal: Barrett's Law
While at SHOT Show and SCI last month, I saw a great deal of New Stuff that we will not be able to live without. The downside to New Stuff is that it comes at the cost of Old Stuff, and sometimes, the Old Stuff is a lot better than the New Stuff that replaces it. And that is why Peter Barrett, Field & Stream’s late Executive Editor, would take a puff on his pipe and say “Kid, if you find something real good buy two, because as true as God they’ll stop making it.”
A case in point is the Leupold M-8 3X rifle scope which was made from 1965 to 1979. It was light, simple, strong, took in 43 feet at 100 yards, and was one of the best scopes ever made for short range shooting, or for use on a dangerous game rifle. I don’t know of anything comparable made today.
In the 1960s and 1970s, Danner made a boot called the Elk Hunter, not to be confused with the present boot of that name. It was 5 inches high, lace-to-toe, no Gore-Tex or Thinsulate, and came with a heavy Vibram sole and a high “logger” heel. Elk Hunters weighed a ton, but you could walk straight up a mountain or straight down and never slip. If you were to make it today it would probably cost $400.
In the 50s and 60s L.L. Bean sold a parka that was two layers of olive-drab poplin of a quality seldom seen on this earth. It was pretty much wind- and waterproof, and would not roast you if you wore it as a top layer while snowshoeing.
And on, and on. Buy two. Hell, buy three.
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SO True. No argument
This reminds me of trying to buy a pair of pull-on L.L. Bean "Bean boots" last winter. I called and spoke to a very friendly customer service lady and told her I couldn't find them in the catalog anymore. She looked and couldn't either. Men in my family have been wearing them for generations, they worked well, held up a long time, and are gone. When I hung up, both myself and the lady at L.L. Bean were baffled about why they'd drop such a staple.
LL Bean still makes them. Sold both as the "Bean Boot" and as the "Maine Hunting Shoe."
Good buys: I haven't heard people talk much about Nikon, but I was given a new Nikon prostaff 3-9x42 scope and also a sweet set of binoculars. If I had more rifles I'd buy more of their scopes.
I had an M8 3x on one of my mausers and stupidly traded it off for a piece of variable whiz-bang tripe. Big regret. Used ones are snapped up as soon as they're advertised.
I thought I read somewhere that Leupold was thinking about bringing it back as a custom shop option.
Preach on Brother Petzal!
thats what im sayin, gear keeps getting made cheaper, and costing more, there are still some things that i use that belonged to my grandpa.
Along these lines, if you should see a piece of military surplus that you like, grab it quick. I've had a half dozen military rifles I've bought, had to sell (because I had to eat), and when I was back in the chips again discovered that you couldn't get them any more, or that the prices had gone way, way up. Got any P-17 Enfields for sale? 1914 Swedish Mausers? Remember when they could hardly give SKS rifles away at $100 a pop? How about a nice, mint Egyptian Hakim? Or a Spanish Mauser in .308? You can get some of these but they'll cost as much or more than a new Marlin, Savage, or Mossberg bolt rifle costs. Sort of defeats the purpose.
Mike,
Those nikon binoculars are fantastic, right up until you need warranty work. They have the most awful customer service and warranty departments I have ever worked with.
Leupold tops the list for service after the sale.
Abolutely correct Mr. Petzal. It especially seems that every time I find a camo pattern I particularly like, it is immediately discontinued. Even when I go back to get another one it is usually only available in Small or 5X.
Roscoe, I bought a pair of Sorel's in Alaska in 95, wore them 5 winters there, then 5 winters in Europe and still wear them in hunting trips here, they are still in good shape.
Amen! Every pair of boots I've ever liked have been replaced with a new and improved model. The only new and improved is in the new money and improved profit margin for the company that makes the stuff...
As for the M8 3X you can drive a nail with one. Found one at a pawn shop for $40. Pawn shop guy thought he ripped me off... One heck of scope for a lever gun as well!
Roscoe and Diehl- Bean still makes boots, but not like they used to. I got a hand me down pair of boots from an uncle that I wore for years. Had to get it resoled a few times, and bean is great about that. Finally, they were so ratty that they just sent me a comparable new version, their hunting shoe (16"). It's nothing like the old booth. The leather is not as thick or as durable, and they don't sell them with the liners like they used to. I have moved on to Schnee's boots, which are similar to the old bean ones but a bit clunkier. Still wish they were making the bean boots the way they used to.
Hate to change the subject,does anyune remember which outdoor catalog used to feature pics of Bud Grant?
You nailed that one on the head, DEP. Two things that really irk me are all the Marble's products that are now made in China, and the lack of a simple dove/quail vest with a game pocket in the back and shell loops in the front.
As a side note, not to create controversy, what is your opinion of the Burris 1.75 X 5 Signature Safari as an acceptable substitute for the hard to find Leupold 3X?
crm3006, You didn't ask me but in my opinion if you get a Burris scope now-a-days get top of the line. I have their scopes but now they have gone to the Philippines to make most Fullfields (not all I'm told). The Signature is still made in the states as of last year. But compare the price of the Signature to a Leopold.
For my money if I'm going to buy a scope made in the states it will be a Leopold, because they really are made here, the total scope, from now on. I will buy German/Austrian scopes also because I know where the total product comes from.
I'll bet some of the Big L glass is not made here.
Jim in Mo-
Thanks for the info. Fortunately, my Burris is 6-7 years old, and a signature. Never has changed zero, fogged or anything naughty.
Not intending to pile on Nikon but my brother-in-law couldn't keep Nikons on his TC. I think he went through 2 or 3 before switching to something else.
Rocky boots used to be a really good boot. Not so much anymore.
I've always been a leupold guy and never, ever had one fail. I'm taking the plunge on a pair of kenetrek boots very soon. I'll see what a $300 boot gives me.
DARN you Petzal! Just when I wanted to forget the past and move forward YOU bring up all the fond memories of hunting in my youth!
OK...I feel better now, and good article by the way...
The late Gene Hill said something to the effect that if you ever found a bird hunting vest that you liked, buy two of them, because if it was any good they would quit making it. Unfortunately, I did not heed his advice. I bought a Filson vest so many years ago I cannot remember the date...mid-'80s? It still is servicable, although I probably should have the elastic shell loops replaced. But imagine my astonishment when I checked the Filson catalog AND website and saw that it was no longer being made! I have owned an Orvis vest for ten years or so, but still prefer the old Filson. I refuse to buy a Chinese-made vest. I'll carry the damned shells in my pockets before I do so!
Dave, remember that great idea I had a few years ago, the one about long range bullets made from salt so the meat wouldn't spoil before you, me or Clay could get there to field dress 'em. Welll 'ol Del has been thinking about a new product. We all know about your penchant for fancy guns with high dollar wood, engraving, double barrels and on and on. Well it seems there are no fancy bows out there with those things. Dave, we could start our own company and make a killing. Think about it. We could make a double barreled bow for a fast second arrow on dangerous game. We could put some fancy wood on it maybe get some big named gunsmith dude to engrave the riser. Then claim it was made in uhhhh London yeah that's it London. Everybody knows good stuff comes from london. Big game hunters with deep pockets would beat a path to our door. We could live off the fatta of the land like lenny and George (you be Lenny of course). Think about photos of Happy Myles holding his new DavenDels double barreled bow with one foot on a big bull. Maybe we could get the legendary Clay to make some 200 yd bow kills to show how our bow puts 'em down fast and at long range too! Anyone else want to get in on the ground floor send a large check to Del in KS ASAP. The first 20 investors will get a free slightly used baseball cap autygraphed by yers truley.
A pre 1979 Ford p/u.
Mr. Petzal, for a moment you had me thinking you were referring to the "law" being laid by the various Barrett .50 cal rifles being used by warfighters abroad.
By the way Mr. Petzal, your timing is perfect. CZ USA has just announced a LEFT HANDED version of its CZ550 American Safari Magnum in .375 H&H. Following Mr. Barrett's advice, you should buy 3 of these things. The CZ550 isn't that pricey, and you get a close copy of the Mauser action (including the "tongue" that keeps the extractor claw firmly hooked to the rim no matter how hard you rip the bolt back), an extra recoil lug milled into the barrel in the Safari version, a set trigger (whether that's a plus or a minus depends on you), Rigby-style one-piece express sight base and 50-yard standing V milled into the barrel, and good old Czechoslovakian workmanship (I still prefer the Czechs and Slovaks together than apart).
Even if you don't need 3 left-handed Mauser-type rifles right now, you can always do the following:
-have the first one customized into the best dangerous game rifle you can afford, CZ rifles have been the basis of custom rifles styled to look like Rigby's. The wood used by CZ, judging by the pictures on their website, is quite nice, but maybe you want to revise the sights and trigger, and other stuff
-have the second one rebarreled to .300 H&H and have it customized too. The old girl, the original "Super 30" has always been good enough for all the world's plains game, and is still the best feeding, best feeling, best extracting magnum round ever invented
-you can bequeath the 3rd rifle to me in your will, from one lefty to another
If you don't buy now, Craig Boddington would snap up the remaining stock, and you will have nothing left.
No, I am not a stockholder of CZ USA or CZ in Czech Republic. But yeah, this is a shameless plug.
Seems Leupold could introduce a 3X in the Redfield line and have an instant success.
Also for lefties, don't forget the discontinued lefty version of the Remington 700 "XCR". Maybe Remington didn't think lefties needed the protection (on the metal, that is).
Any decant American made, good quality boot is going to run around $250 and up. I buy Red Wing, Danner, Double H. My current Red wings will last about two haying seasons before they get worn down to nothing.
The regular dilemma: Should buy two, but can barely afford one.
We do a lot of lookin' and most of what we look at stays in the store!
I have the same dilemma.
They used to make these little cheddar cheese crackers called Quackers...god what i would give for just one more box of those. Goldfish crackers do not come close to quackers.
A guy I know by the name of Bill has these black Hush Puppies brand shoes that he loves. About 15 years ago he got wind that they were going to quit making them (and they did), so he went and bought every pair in his size that he could find. He is, to this day, still cycling through them, one pair at a time.
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Evan!
All the stuff I should have bought but alas couldn't afford from the original Herter's catalog when I was a teenager. Today the stuff would be collector grade, especially their cork decoys.
BTW Danner makes a 9" boot called the Pronghorn. It's waterproof, warm, and feels good on the foot.
To Lyle Gorch: It was Cabela's that used to have Bud Grant as a spokesman for their waterfowling stuff. By the way, how's your brother Tector these days?
To CRM .30/06: In theory, a variable in that power range should nicely take the place of a straight 3X, except you're dealing with more weight and machinery.
To Del in KS: Whatever you're been into recently hasn't been good for you.
To O Garcia: Thanks for the heads up. I note that the CZ has a 25-inch barrel, so the first thing I would have to do is have it cut back to 22 inches. What the hell are they thinking?
To All: If you're looking for something else on which to spend money you don't have, go to northernoutfitters.com. This company sells ultra-cold-weather clothing and clothing systems. I was put on to it by my friend Bob Serrano, a bowhunters of formidable attainments. He used their stuff on a musk ox hunt, and reports that it is light, not bulky, and extremely warm.
That should be you've, not you're, and bowhunter singular, not plural.
The only thing made that cannot be replaced by something better and newer is me. On second thought, my grandkids have great potential.
Ahhh DP your wisdom rings down through the ages. I don't even wanna list the good stuff they stopped makin'. My hunting boots are used East German Army Officers boots, and they certainly don't make them anymore either. Usually it seems the old stuff is better than the new stuff. Making a profit has eclipsed pride in workmanship with most consumer goods and hey, what Indonesian or Chinese Teenager working in an assembly line is motivated to do quality work? Even if the teenager in question is proud and motivated, he (or she) likely only stitches one seam or applies one slurp of glue (or 3 screws or similar) then the product goes on down the line to the next apathetic unmotivated exploited worker.
This is why I make so much of my own gear and what I purchase is often used. Walmart may want my money, but Walmart ain't getting any of it again if I have my Druthers. LL Bean used to provide quality gear, but now they are supplied by the same sources Walmart is, 3rd world industries. Quality products come from craftspeople who follow a process through start to finish, not exhausted teenagers doing piecework in sweatshops working 12 hour days for pittances.
"Not intending to pile on Nikon but my brother-in-law couldn't keep Nikons on his TC."
What was the problem? Optics breaking under the recoil?
DEP, Tector is doing ok in Savannah, Ga. I'm making beer in Az.
We all know how right you are Dave! Your observation applies to almost everything these days. LL Bean boots went downhill quite awhile ago. Rubber did not last and deteriorated. The BEST boots of this type are Schnee's Boots & Shoes in Montana. I've been wearing them for a long time now and you can't beat 'em! A little more pricey, but you DO get what you pay for. Long wearing and fit exceptionally well.
Tom
Wish I had a supply of pre-1980 Chevy Suburbans stashed away, best all around vehicle I ever owned.
That's true for pretty much anything. If it works, they'll replace it with something that doesn't.
Mike -- They didn't stand up to the recoil of 100grains of FFG and they most certainly should given that load.
Yes, if we could only have foreseen them.
I wore North Face when they made real down-filled, heavy fabric coats and vests ('70s). I quit buying the company's new mass-market gear.
My favorite folding knives are Colt, from United Cutlery. They've been out of business (folded?) for some time now.
I bought a pair of Danner Canadians about 15 years ago and wore them to walk to work when there was deep snow. They are a decent boot. Correct me if I am mistaken, but I think Danners are now made in China.
I have been wearing W. C. Russell Mocassin boots for the last 25 years and swear by them. They are handmade in Berlin, WI, and made to fit one's individual foot. They are not cheap, but I have Russells that certainly will outlast me.
I bought a pair of uninsulated Danner Pronghorns about twenty years ago. Best fitting boot I had/have EVER owned. I've literally walked thousands of miles in them and they're still going strong. From day one I've never gotten a blister no matter how far I hiked in one day.
I recently purchased a pair of Danner Pronghorns with 1000 grams of insulation in them. They fit like a glove the minute I put them on and they keep my feet WARM in the coldest temperature.
I will NEVER another make of boots. It's Danner, or it's wrong.
Thanks Jay. Well, mine is going on a .243 winchester becuase the Nikon scope I have has the Bullet Drop Reticle. So we shall just see. My current .243 scope (a weaver variax) will go to the Savage 10 MLII.
I've had Nikon binoculars for years. Clean crisp and fogless to the day. My old set was 6.5x35 and I recently bought 10x40ish.
Thanks for the reply. I'll let you know if mine fails in like fashion.
Trijicon makes one heck of a good scope. Make mine with mil-dots. I wish I could afford 4 of them. Back to the Trijicon debate.
My brother believed Danner was the best boot made for hunting and all around outdoor use during cold weather. Tried to get me to buy a pair. They are now made in CHINA, like everything else. He couldn't believe it and wished he would have bought 6 pair of the old ones.
I couldn't have afforded it, but do I ever wish I had a half dozen 70's Toyota Landcruisers (the ones that resembled a Land Rover). Recently a friend of mine bought a Ruger No. 1 in 375 H&H from an old geezer (risking extreme marital discord if he got caught) simply because it wore a Leupold M-8 3x scope. He bought the dog for its collar.
Right on, Dave, I still have quite a bit of equipment from Eddie Bauer back in the 60's when E.B was arguably the premier outfitter of winter and hunting sports. This includes the Mt Everest parka and the down 'fat pants' - equipment we supplied to our polar bear hunters for their hunts. I also have quite a few Bauer sleeping bags from those days that remain in fine condition after years of outfitting. I think maybe the Bean shell your refer to may be taken from the military who had a pullover parka of poplin that was white on one side and olive on the other. Used one polar bear hunting white side out and had a good ruff installed by an Inupiat lady I knew in Point Hope. Were those the good old days??
Yes, but those Danner boots gave you awful blisters, especially when they were new. I still have a pair relegated to the back of my closet. The new boots based on athletic shoe technology is WAY superior. In the old days they were made in Clackamas, Oregon, and you could go to the factory and have them fitted. They wore like steel and were about that comfortable too.
there are only 2 problems with that. 1) you never really know how good something is until you feild try it for several years. and 2) there never seems to be enough money to buy stuff to sit around until the first one wears out. if money is not an object, then what in the world would you do with all the stuff that you bought two or three of that turns out to be junk?! hind sight is always perfect. if any of us could truly see the future, we really might not like what we would see.
Ah, those old-style Toyota Land Cruisers. Back then, you could buy 2 or 3 Land Cruisers for the price of 1 Land Rover, and while the Brit 4x4 was sexier and had more prestige, the Toyota was just as good. Safari operators took notice and switched.
Now the Land Cruiser is a luxury vehicle that you wouldn't contemplate taking out in the wild because it looks so fine and you don't want to scratch that paint.
And Toyota is about to have the sky fall on its head with the vehicle recall issue.
Dave, I spoke too soon. The lefty CZ550 safari is much pricier than the right hand version. Some $600 more.
25 years ago we used Land Cruisers in the Darien jungle of Panama'. They were really good vehicles for the jungle but the Pan-Am Highway (miles & miles of potholes and washboard dirt and gravel...) would beat them apart.
Land Rovers, on the other hand, I only saw in the States; owned by doctors and washed by "the help" every day that they weren't at the mechanic's.
Well, here goes Barnes Bullets down the mega-corporate shitter:
Quote from Barnes Website:
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I have 288,000 miles on my 1998 Z-71. I keep postponing buying a newer rig out of fear that it will not work as well as the one I'm driving. I have never had trouble with it except for one water pump, one alternator, a fuel pump, and a couple of light bulbs. But the old gal is getting tired....
Not all Danners are made in China, most are but the good ones made here in the USA are going for around $250.
To Dickgun: I think the military version was called a Fishtail parka. What I remember is that Bauer used to sell guns in some of their stores. Guns! And also that they sold down-lined wolf, wolverine, and beaver parkas for, I think, $500. They would be $5,000 today if you could get them at all.
One of the best scopes for whitetail hunting that I ever had was about 35 years ago. The scope was a
Redfield Wide Angle 2x to 7X with a post and crosshair. Don't ask me why I sold it because I can't give you a good answer.
what ever happened to "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"?
these things sound great, i want stuff like that.
amen wildcaller and on the whole stuff being made in china. i hate stuff made in china. i feel that hunting and fishing are two of the things that make america kick ass, therefore i try to use all american made porducts when hunting or fishing which is damn near impossible. its a shame that you have to spend 4x on a pair of boots just to get american made quality
Yet another case in point. My Ruger 77 ultralight .257 Roberts thrives on Remington 120 grain corelokts (reloading components, not factory ammo) and of course, Big Green discontinued them right after I found that my rifle liked them). I called and asked why and of course, lagging sales is the pat answer, so I bought 500. Wish now I had bought 1000.
Danner still makes some boots in the US, most are for the military market. I have a pair of Ft. Lewis boots that have been re-soled several times over the 10 years that I have been flying with them almost every day. They don't deploy with me, and that's beginning to become a significant amount of time out of the past 10 years but they have been outstanding, and as far as I know they still make them the way they used to, somewhere in Oregon. Danner will re-build any old boot you have for less than a new pair of oversized Chinese made boots. Check the website.
I have a Nikon Buckmaster's scope that's as clear as a Leupold and tough as nails. Maybe I just got lucky.
AKX
Danner makes great boots. I miss them.
My feet are trashed now and I cannot get a pair to feel as good the cheaper Irish Setter. I burn out the Setters but they good until they're trashed.
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SO True. No argument
thats what im sayin, gear keeps getting made cheaper, and costing more, there are still some things that i use that belonged to my grandpa.
Mike,
Those nikon binoculars are fantastic, right up until you need warranty work. They have the most awful customer service and warranty departments I have ever worked with.
Leupold tops the list for service after the sale.
Amen! Every pair of boots I've ever liked have been replaced with a new and improved model. The only new and improved is in the new money and improved profit margin for the company that makes the stuff...
As for the M8 3X you can drive a nail with one. Found one at a pawn shop for $40. Pawn shop guy thought he ripped me off... One heck of scope for a lever gun as well!
The regular dilemma: Should buy two, but can barely afford one.
We do a lot of lookin' and most of what we look at stays in the store!
Dave, I spoke too soon. The lefty CZ550 safari is much pricier than the right hand version. Some $600 more.
I have 288,000 miles on my 1998 Z-71. I keep postponing buying a newer rig out of fear that it will not work as well as the one I'm driving. I have never had trouble with it except for one water pump, one alternator, a fuel pump, and a couple of light bulbs. But the old gal is getting tired....
LL Bean still makes them. Sold both as the "Bean Boot" and as the "Maine Hunting Shoe."
Good buys: I haven't heard people talk much about Nikon, but I was given a new Nikon prostaff 3-9x42 scope and also a sweet set of binoculars. If I had more rifles I'd buy more of their scopes.
Preach on Brother Petzal!
Along these lines, if you should see a piece of military surplus that you like, grab it quick. I've had a half dozen military rifles I've bought, had to sell (because I had to eat), and when I was back in the chips again discovered that you couldn't get them any more, or that the prices had gone way, way up. Got any P-17 Enfields for sale? 1914 Swedish Mausers? Remember when they could hardly give SKS rifles away at $100 a pop? How about a nice, mint Egyptian Hakim? Or a Spanish Mauser in .308? You can get some of these but they'll cost as much or more than a new Marlin, Savage, or Mossberg bolt rifle costs. Sort of defeats the purpose.
Abolutely correct Mr. Petzal. It especially seems that every time I find a camo pattern I particularly like, it is immediately discontinued. Even when I go back to get another one it is usually only available in Small or 5X.
You nailed that one on the head, DEP. Two things that really irk me are all the Marble's products that are now made in China, and the lack of a simple dove/quail vest with a game pocket in the back and shell loops in the front.
As a side note, not to create controversy, what is your opinion of the Burris 1.75 X 5 Signature Safari as an acceptable substitute for the hard to find Leupold 3X?
crm3006, You didn't ask me but in my opinion if you get a Burris scope now-a-days get top of the line. I have their scopes but now they have gone to the Philippines to make most Fullfields (not all I'm told). The Signature is still made in the states as of last year. But compare the price of the Signature to a Leopold.
For my money if I'm going to buy a scope made in the states it will be a Leopold, because they really are made here, the total scope, from now on. I will buy German/Austrian scopes also because I know where the total product comes from.
DARN you Petzal! Just when I wanted to forget the past and move forward YOU bring up all the fond memories of hunting in my youth!
OK...I feel better now, and good article by the way...
The late Gene Hill said something to the effect that if you ever found a bird hunting vest that you liked, buy two of them, because if it was any good they would quit making it. Unfortunately, I did not heed his advice. I bought a Filson vest so many years ago I cannot remember the date...mid-'80s? It still is servicable, although I probably should have the elastic shell loops replaced. But imagine my astonishment when I checked the Filson catalog AND website and saw that it was no longer being made! I have owned an Orvis vest for ten years or so, but still prefer the old Filson. I refuse to buy a Chinese-made vest. I'll carry the damned shells in my pockets before I do so!
Dave, remember that great idea I had a few years ago, the one about long range bullets made from salt so the meat wouldn't spoil before you, me or Clay could get there to field dress 'em. Welll 'ol Del has been thinking about a new product. We all know about your penchant for fancy guns with high dollar wood, engraving, double barrels and on and on. Well it seems there are no fancy bows out there with those things. Dave, we could start our own company and make a killing. Think about it. We could make a double barreled bow for a fast second arrow on dangerous game. We could put some fancy wood on it maybe get some big named gunsmith dude to engrave the riser. Then claim it was made in uhhhh London yeah that's it London. Everybody knows good stuff comes from london. Big game hunters with deep pockets would beat a path to our door. We could live off the fatta of the land like lenny and George (you be Lenny of course). Think about photos of Happy Myles holding his new DavenDels double barreled bow with one foot on a big bull. Maybe we could get the legendary Clay to make some 200 yd bow kills to show how our bow puts 'em down fast and at long range too! Anyone else want to get in on the ground floor send a large check to Del in KS ASAP. The first 20 investors will get a free slightly used baseball cap autygraphed by yers truley.
Mr. Petzal, for a moment you had me thinking you were referring to the "law" being laid by the various Barrett .50 cal rifles being used by warfighters abroad.
By the way Mr. Petzal, your timing is perfect. CZ USA has just announced a LEFT HANDED version of its CZ550 American Safari Magnum in .375 H&H. Following Mr. Barrett's advice, you should buy 3 of these things. The CZ550 isn't that pricey, and you get a close copy of the Mauser action (including the "tongue" that keeps the extractor claw firmly hooked to the rim no matter how hard you rip the bolt back), an extra recoil lug milled into the barrel in the Safari version, a set trigger (whether that's a plus or a minus depends on you), Rigby-style one-piece express sight base and 50-yard standing V milled into the barrel, and good old Czechoslovakian workmanship (I still prefer the Czechs and Slovaks together than apart).
Even if you don't need 3 left-handed Mauser-type rifles right now, you can always do the following:
-have the first one customized into the best dangerous game rifle you can afford, CZ rifles have been the basis of custom rifles styled to look like Rigby's. The wood used by CZ, judging by the pictures on their website, is quite nice, but maybe you want to revise the sights and trigger, and other stuff
-have the second one rebarreled to .300 H&H and have it customized too. The old girl, the original "Super 30" has always been good enough for all the world's plains game, and is still the best feeding, best feeling, best extracting magnum round ever invented
-you can bequeath the 3rd rifle to me in your will, from one lefty to another
If you don't buy now, Craig Boddington would snap up the remaining stock, and you will have nothing left.
No, I am not a stockholder of CZ USA or CZ in Czech Republic. But yeah, this is a shameless plug.
Also for lefties, don't forget the discontinued lefty version of the Remington 700 "XCR". Maybe Remington didn't think lefties needed the protection (on the metal, that is).
I have the same dilemma.
A guy I know by the name of Bill has these black Hush Puppies brand shoes that he loves. About 15 years ago he got wind that they were going to quit making them (and they did), so he went and bought every pair in his size that he could find. He is, to this day, still cycling through them, one pair at a time.
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Evan!
All the stuff I should have bought but alas couldn't afford from the original Herter's catalog when I was a teenager. Today the stuff would be collector grade, especially their cork decoys.
BTW Danner makes a 9" boot called the Pronghorn. It's waterproof, warm, and feels good on the foot.
To Lyle Gorch: It was Cabela's that used to have Bud Grant as a spokesman for their waterfowling stuff. By the way, how's your brother Tector these days?
To CRM .30/06: In theory, a variable in that power range should nicely take the place of a straight 3X, except you're dealing with more weight and machinery.
To Del in KS: Whatever you're been into recently hasn't been good for you.
To O Garcia: Thanks for the heads up. I note that the CZ has a 25-inch barrel, so the first thing I would have to do is have it cut back to 22 inches. What the hell are they thinking?
To All: If you're looking for something else on which to spend money you don't have, go to northernoutfitters.com. This company sells ultra-cold-weather clothing and clothing systems. I was put on to it by my friend Bob Serrano, a bowhunters of formidable attainments. He used their stuff on a musk ox hunt, and reports that it is light, not bulky, and extremely warm.
That should be you've, not you're, and bowhunter singular, not plural.
The only thing made that cannot be replaced by something better and newer is me. On second thought, my grandkids have great potential.
"Not intending to pile on Nikon but my brother-in-law couldn't keep Nikons on his TC."
What was the problem? Optics breaking under the recoil?
Wish I had a supply of pre-1980 Chevy Suburbans stashed away, best all around vehicle I ever owned.
Thanks Jay. Well, mine is going on a .243 winchester becuase the Nikon scope I have has the Bullet Drop Reticle. So we shall just see. My current .243 scope (a weaver variax) will go to the Savage 10 MLII.
I've had Nikon binoculars for years. Clean crisp and fogless to the day. My old set was 6.5x35 and I recently bought 10x40ish.
Thanks for the reply. I'll let you know if mine fails in like fashion.
My brother believed Danner was the best boot made for hunting and all around outdoor use during cold weather. Tried to get me to buy a pair. They are now made in CHINA, like everything else. He couldn't believe it and wished he would have bought 6 pair of the old ones.
I couldn't have afforded it, but do I ever wish I had a half dozen 70's Toyota Landcruisers (the ones that resembled a Land Rover). Recently a friend of mine bought a Ruger No. 1 in 375 H&H from an old geezer (risking extreme marital discord if he got caught) simply because it wore a Leupold M-8 3x scope. He bought the dog for its collar.
Ah, those old-style Toyota Land Cruisers. Back then, you could buy 2 or 3 Land Cruisers for the price of 1 Land Rover, and while the Brit 4x4 was sexier and had more prestige, the Toyota was just as good. Safari operators took notice and switched.
Now the Land Cruiser is a luxury vehicle that you wouldn't contemplate taking out in the wild because it looks so fine and you don't want to scratch that paint.
And Toyota is about to have the sky fall on its head with the vehicle recall issue.
This reminds me of trying to buy a pair of pull-on L.L. Bean "Bean boots" last winter. I called and spoke to a very friendly customer service lady and told her I couldn't find them in the catalog anymore. She looked and couldn't either. Men in my family have been wearing them for generations, they worked well, held up a long time, and are gone. When I hung up, both myself and the lady at L.L. Bean were baffled about why they'd drop such a staple.
Roscoe and Diehl- Bean still makes boots, but not like they used to. I got a hand me down pair of boots from an uncle that I wore for years. Had to get it resoled a few times, and bean is great about that. Finally, they were so ratty that they just sent me a comparable new version, their hunting shoe (16"). It's nothing like the old booth. The leather is not as thick or as durable, and they don't sell them with the liners like they used to. I have moved on to Schnee's boots, which are similar to the old bean ones but a bit clunkier. Still wish they were making the bean boots the way they used to.
I'll bet some of the Big L glass is not made here.
Jim in Mo-
Thanks for the info. Fortunately, my Burris is 6-7 years old, and a signature. Never has changed zero, fogged or anything naughty.
Not intending to pile on Nikon but my brother-in-law couldn't keep Nikons on his TC. I think he went through 2 or 3 before switching to something else.
Rocky boots used to be a really good boot. Not so much anymore.
I've always been a leupold guy and never, ever had one fail. I'm taking the plunge on a pair of kenetrek boots very soon. I'll see what a $300 boot gives me.
A pre 1979 Ford p/u.
Seems Leupold could introduce a 3X in the Redfield line and have an instant success.
Any decant American made, good quality boot is going to run around $250 and up. I buy Red Wing, Danner, Double H. My current Red wings will last about two haying seasons before they get worn down to nothing.
They used to make these little cheddar cheese crackers called Quackers...god what i would give for just one more box of those. Goldfish crackers do not come close to quackers.
Ahhh DP your wisdom rings down through the ages. I don't even wanna list the good stuff they stopped makin'. My hunting boots are used East German Army Officers boots, and they certainly don't make them anymore either. Usually it seems the old stuff is better than the new stuff. Making a profit has eclipsed pride in workmanship with most consumer goods and hey, what Indonesian or Chinese Teenager working in an assembly line is motivated to do quality work? Even if the teenager in question is proud and motivated, he (or she) likely only stitches one seam or applies one slurp of glue (or 3 screws or similar) then the product goes on down the line to the next apathetic unmotivated exploited worker.
This is why I make so much of my own gear and what I purchase is often used. Walmart may want my money, but Walmart ain't getting any of it again if I have my Druthers. LL Bean used to provide quality gear, but now they are supplied by the same sources Walmart is, 3rd world industries. Quality products come from craftspeople who follow a process through start to finish, not exhausted teenagers doing piecework in sweatshops working 12 hour days for pittances.
DEP, Tector is doing ok in Savannah, Ga. I'm making beer in Az.
We all know how right you are Dave! Your observation applies to almost everything these days. LL Bean boots went downhill quite awhile ago. Rubber did not last and deteriorated. The BEST boots of this type are Schnee's Boots & Shoes in Montana. I've been wearing them for a long time now and you can't beat 'em! A little more pricey, but you DO get what you pay for. Long wearing and fit exceptionally well.
Tom
That's true for pretty much anything. If it works, they'll replace it with something that doesn't.
Mike -- They didn't stand up to the recoil of 100grains of FFG and they most certainly should given that load.
Yes, if we could only have foreseen them.
I wore North Face when they made real down-filled, heavy fabric coats and vests ('70s). I quit buying the company's new mass-market gear.
My favorite folding knives are Colt, from United Cutlery. They've been out of business (folded?) for some time now.
I bought a pair of Danner Canadians about 15 years ago and wore them to walk to work when there was deep snow. They are a decent boot. Correct me if I am mistaken, but I think Danners are now made in China.
I have been wearing W. C. Russell Mocassin boots for the last 25 years and swear by them. They are handmade in Berlin, WI, and made to fit one's individual foot. They are not cheap, but I have Russells that certainly will outlast me.
I bought a pair of uninsulated Danner Pronghorns about twenty years ago. Best fitting boot I had/have EVER owned. I've literally walked thousands of miles in them and they're still going strong. From day one I've never gotten a blister no matter how far I hiked in one day.
I recently purchased a pair of Danner Pronghorns with 1000 grams of insulation in them. They fit like a glove the minute I put them on and they keep my feet WARM in the coldest temperature.
I will NEVER another make of boots. It's Danner, or it's wrong.
Trijicon makes one heck of a good scope. Make mine with mil-dots. I wish I could afford 4 of them. Back to the Trijicon debate.
there are only 2 problems with that. 1) you never really know how good something is until you feild try it for several years. and 2) there never seems to be enough money to buy stuff to sit around until the first one wears out. if money is not an object, then what in the world would you do with all the stuff that you bought two or three of that turns out to be junk?! hind sight is always perfect. if any of us could truly see the future, we really might not like what we would see.
25 years ago we used Land Cruisers in the Darien jungle of Panama'. They were really good vehicles for the jungle but the Pan-Am Highway (miles & miles of potholes and washboard dirt and gravel...) would beat them apart.
Land Rovers, on the other hand, I only saw in the States; owned by doctors and washed by "the help" every day that they weren't at the mechanic's.
Well, here goes Barnes Bullets down the mega-corporate shitter:
Quote from Barnes Website:
"February 2010 Barnes Bullet-N
To our respected business colleagues, customers and friends,
It is with excitement and great anticipation for what the future holds that Coni and I are pleased to announce the addition of Barnes Bullets to The Freedom Group (FGI) family of distinguished companies.
As you know, since the 1930’s Barnes Bullets has led the industry in bullet technology. We stand firm on our central focus to provide customers with top quality, performance based products that give shooters a decided advantage. We join hands now with a group comprised of companies steeped in tradition, quality and innovation. Therefore, the acquisition of Barnes really makes sense for this group as it accentuates a great number of diverse product offerings from other respected FGI companies such as Remington, Bushmaster, DPMS/Panther Arms, Marlin, H&R, NEF, LC Smith, Parker, EOTAC, AAC, Dakota and INTC.
We are proud to have built a company based on hard work, dedication and sacrifice. It has been our passion for many years now, and will remain so into the future. Naturally, we feel strongly that the culture and team which defines Barnes Bullets should remain intact. Fortunately, FGI recognizes the integral part this company’s culture plays in the lives of our employees, customers and business partners. In light of this, the entire staff remains whole. Direction has been given to continue forward in growth and prosperity by seeking additional resources from FGI to facilitate future goals and objectives necessary for the company’s continued success.
Coni and I are truly grateful for the warm welcome extended by all FGI employees. They are proud of our company’s legacy and the excellent reputation that follows. It is our hope that all of you understand the great benefits and rewards that will come to pass from this alliance. We have the utmost faith and confidence going forward that this mutually beneficial relationship will bolster the superb standards in quality, service and product value that is the heart of Barnes Bullets.
To our customers who use the website regularly, we thank you for your patience during the month of January while the site was down. It was a difficult and trying time for all (our daughter, Jessica, lost much sleep and hair over it!) Fortunately, we were able to get back online fairly quickly with an updated design. Of course, there are still a few items being sorted out as the new launch was not anticipated quite this early. Hopefully, the new look is pleasing to you and you can expect more great things to come.
Yours in shooting and friendship,
Randy & Coni Brooks
President & Vice President of Sales, Barnes Bullets"
end quote
Not all Danners are made in China, most are but the good ones made here in the USA are going for around $250.
To Dickgun: I think the military version was called a Fishtail parka. What I remember is that Bauer used to sell guns in some of their stores. Guns! And also that they sold down-lined wolf, wolverine, and beaver parkas for, I think, $500. They would be $5,000 today if you could get them at all.
One of the best scopes for whitetail hunting that I ever had was about 35 years ago. The scope was a
Redfield Wide Angle 2x to 7X with a post and crosshair. Don't ask me why I sold it because I can't give you a good answer.
what ever happened to "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"?
these things sound great, i want stuff like that.
I had an M8 3x on one of my mausers and stupidly traded it off for a piece of variable whiz-bang tripe. Big regret. Used ones are snapped up as soon as they're advertised.
I thought I read somewhere that Leupold was thinking about bringing it back as a custom shop option.
Roscoe, I bought a pair of Sorel's in Alaska in 95, wore them 5 winters there, then 5 winters in Europe and still wear them in hunting trips here, they are still in good shape.
Hate to change the subject,does anyune remember which outdoor catalog used to feature pics of Bud Grant?
Right on, Dave, I still have quite a bit of equipment from Eddie Bauer back in the 60's when E.B was arguably the premier outfitter of winter and hunting sports. This includes the Mt Everest parka and the down 'fat pants' - equipment we supplied to our polar bear hunters for their hunts. I also have quite a few Bauer sleeping bags from those days that remain in fine condition after years of outfitting. I think maybe the Bean shell your refer to may be taken from the military who had a pullover parka of poplin that was white on one side and olive on the other. Used one polar bear hunting white side out and had a good ruff installed by an Inupiat lady I knew in Point Hope. Were those the good old days??
Yes, but those Danner boots gave you awful blisters, especially when they were new. I still have a pair relegated to the back of my closet. The new boots based on athletic shoe technology is WAY superior. In the old days they were made in Clackamas, Oregon, and you could go to the factory and have them fitted. They wore like steel and were about that comfortable too.
amen wildcaller and on the whole stuff being made in china. i hate stuff made in china. i feel that hunting and fishing are two of the things that make america kick ass, therefore i try to use all american made porducts when hunting or fishing which is damn near impossible. its a shame that you have to spend 4x on a pair of boots just to get american made quality
Yet another case in point. My Ruger 77 ultralight .257 Roberts thrives on Remington 120 grain corelokts (reloading components, not factory ammo) and of course, Big Green discontinued them right after I found that my rifle liked them). I called and asked why and of course, lagging sales is the pat answer, so I bought 500. Wish now I had bought 1000.
Danner still makes some boots in the US, most are for the military market. I have a pair of Ft. Lewis boots that have been re-soled several times over the 10 years that I have been flying with them almost every day. They don't deploy with me, and that's beginning to become a significant amount of time out of the past 10 years but they have been outstanding, and as far as I know they still make them the way they used to, somewhere in Oregon. Danner will re-build any old boot you have for less than a new pair of oversized Chinese made boots. Check the website.
I have a Nikon Buckmaster's scope that's as clear as a Leupold and tough as nails. Maybe I just got lucky.
AKX
Danner makes great boots. I miss them.
My feet are trashed now and I cannot get a pair to feel as good the cheaper Irish Setter. I burn out the Setters but they good until they're trashed.
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