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March 26, 2010

Petzal: "Useful Range," and Other Mysteries

By David E. Petzal

First, a couple of random notes:

* I checked last night, and when Warren Page was my age, he was dead.

*It appears that Joe Biden has finally said something memorable.

* I’ve been trying to remember where I’ve seen that fixed, glassy smile that Nancy Pelosi wears all the time and now I remember. When I was a kid, I used to deliver old clothes to an institution whose clients’ minds had permanently departed for a more pleasing reality. They had that exact same expression on their faces. But that’s not important now.

On my post of 3/12 on the 6.5/284 Norma, blogger Clay Cooper kindly sent along a page from what appears to be the Norma loading manual, and in its text appears the following sentence: “Useful range of this number [the 6.5/284] surpasses the 6.5x55 by about 100 yards for any application.”

What exactly does this mean? Does it imply that at, say, 400 yards 6.5x55 bullets bounce off whatever they hit and 6.5/284 slugs don’t? Overall, the text appears to have been written by a Swede who sort of understands English, but hasn’t fully grasped the idiom, much like George W. Bush. If the writer had said: “The 6.5/284 adds about 100 yards to the point-blank aiming range of the 6.5x55,” I would have nothing to write about.

I have been guilty of the same sin. Some time ago I wrote that the .220 Swift was a 300-yard varmint cartridge, and was savagely taken to task for it in cyberspace. I should have said that the .220 Swift is terrific up to 300 yards, but after that the wind really plays with the little bullets and you’re better off with a 6mm, unless of course you’re a master of the wind, in which case you can hit with it out to 723 yards, or whatever distance you please.

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from Bryan01 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

it seems like F&S has been stretching for reasons to post photos of women in recent days, i.e., the date with a cover model . . . but this time you've crossed a line . . . ;)

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from Mjenkins1 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

"you’re better of with a 6mm"

correction: "you're better OFF with a 6mm"

I just HAD to take this chance to spell check D. Petzal, because it doesn't happen often haha.

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from thuroy wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

It is the same face a little kid makes win they lie or just stole something. Hmm! I wonder what she stole. Oh ya, our money!

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from davidpetzal wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

To Mjennkins 1: Thanks for the catch. I was mesmerized by the Speaker's deathlike gaze, much like a ground squirrel looking at a rattlesnake, and forgot to proofread.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

I keep trying to post a reply, but is pelosi an obscene word these days? my post gets rejected for obscenity?

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from NolanOsborne wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Mine too...

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Maybe it was the Monica reference...

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from dukkillr wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

That picture has just scarred me for life. Gee, thanks, Petzal. For future reference, I think I speak for everyone when I say that we seriously prefer Maxim cover models...

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Cooper is probably Swedish too.

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from Cgull wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Lol, are comparing Pelosi and Cooper?

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from Cgull wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

somthing wrong with server or sight, needs to be FIXED?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

David you could of said, "anything past 300 yards rainbows like hell!" Unless your shooting that Thunder++++++ you mentioned earlier and if the ballistic calculator was correct, you sight it in at 400 yards!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

No WAM, you cannot have a date with my Swedish Sister!

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from Cgull wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

How come cooper can type more than one sentence at a time?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

David, that was a quote from Norma itself, didn't want to take anything out of text. By the way, tried to cross reference the 284 with other cases to see if cases could have been used to make 284 cases. It's like taking 300 Win Mag or 7mm Rem Mag and making 338 Win Mag.

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from MLH wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Perhaps that sentence translates better back into Swedish.

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from MLH wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

That is a face that would fit better in the Stepford Wives, but their minds are capable of deeper thought.

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from ricefarm wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Whenever I see her picture I recall an email that a lot of you surely saw where she has taken the place of the Wicked Witch of the West with the caption "Release the flying monkeys!" That is how I will always remember her though I am trying my best, through grain alcohol therapy to forget. If someone ever needed an antidote to Viagra, her picture would surely do the trick.

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from jim in nc wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Hey, y'all--think what you will of her politics, you should hope you look so good at 70 ;-)

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Jim, I 'll see if I can get you a date.

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from Sarge01 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

You scared me with that portrait. I wasn't prepared to see something like that. No wonder Harry Reid quickly jerked her hand off of his shoulder when she put it there. He dosen't have much sense but he knows that is not for him. I have heard that term for years and my feeble attempt at the definition that I thought it was is the range at which the bullet dosen't drop too much for a reasonable holdover shot and still has enough power to cleanly take an animal without having to hit it in the brain. I am probably way off base but that is what I have thought for over 40 years. That is how I describe what my rifles can do. I consider the useful range of my new 338 Federal is around 200 yards. If the rifle is sighted in at 100 yards you don't have to hold over too terrible much and it still has plenty to power to kill whatever I want to shoot it at. I'm sure someone will tell me that I don't know what I am talking about but then I have been used to hearing that for years.

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from Beekeeper wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Botox and conceit will do that to a face...

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Billboard size photos of Pelosi is not what I visit this site for. A photo of a baboons butt would better reflect the administration.

Somebody missing?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

buckhunter

Let a sleeping dog lie.....

Cheers,
WMH

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from shane wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Lots of fudging going on in the ballistics/shooting world. Useful range? Optimum weight range? All kinds of knock down power formulas? If I can get some sort of bullet through both of something's lungs, it works. There isn't much for math that will figure that one.

Better question - What's my useful range? Not very far? Ha ha.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Perhaps some Nancy Pelosi Urinal Targets are in order.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

...In which case useful range is probably <10feet

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

davidpetzal-
Don't know what this post is about, you have scared me into an hour long fit of the nervous heebie-jeebies and induced a case of nausea that has me heaving my toenails. Whatever old Joe Footinthemouth said, it cannot be as horrible as that picture! Can't write anything intelligent, because the picture won't let me get down to the text, therefor I will attempt a cure with 90 proof and call back tomorrow!

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

That woman doen'nt even look real its like something out of a horror movie or maybe a robot.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Beekeeper,
Forget the drugs, complete stupidity will do that to a face also.

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from BowtechWVU wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Decent post about our government

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

usefull range is where u can hit your target and assure a clean kill with a good hit. end of story and depending on the hunter etc.. my usefull range with my 308 win is about 350 yards.. on small game. 275 on moose.. :)

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from Walt Smith wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

The only face worse than that was Tammy Fae Baker.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Dave,please; Give us a female photo WORTH looking at!

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from Shaky wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

All; don't worry too much about Nanny P spending our money,worry about what/where you will hunt when we default on the Chinese loans. Right now China has mortgages on about 64% of our government land, and she WILL foreclose. The drilling for oil that has been stopped on public land will be resumed with a passion, guarded by Chinese soldiers and artillery. All perfectly legal. I am probably too old to see that, but some of you are not.
Just a thought to cheer you up.

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

So much more reason to learn to live off the land shaky ;)
Git your silencer and ghillie suit now and learn from good poachers how they git away with it :)
america will never git out of debt, better have an armed revolution be4 foreclosure and claim the land by force.. general amnesty worldwide and we can all begin again. People will still need food and shelter etc. the world will go on as it allways has, detrimental regimes will not, not in theire survival instincts. just rape, pillage and burn. just now by people in suits and mercedes and so on. (facepalm) people can be so stupid u know :P

btw, the last thing going through a vikings head just be4 the longship hits the shore "rape pillage burn, rape pillage burn, rape pillage burn, and dont get it in the wrong order this time" :D:D:D

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from z41 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

"Master of the wind." Gee Dave I never figured you as being so religious. :) The Pastor

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from Hunter Savage wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

oh my god my eyes my eyes

Dave if you drag that thing out on these pages again please put a bag over it's head . Or whack it with a stick to knock that stupid fake smile off its head .Kinda looks like a possum wearing a wig.

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from elmer f. wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

being disabled, and a hunter, to me, "useful range" means the distance that any given gun can exact a drt on the game you are shooting. if it is a target made of paper, that is a long way. if it is a bear, that distance shortens considerably! at this point, i can still get around in the woods to a certain extent. that distance is definitly helped by my atv. honestly, i do not bear unt. never really wanted to shoot one. just not my thing i guess. i do deer hunt, with the help of my brother and a few freinds. small game and varmint hunting are a lot easier. i will not lay down my arms until i can no longer get out to shoot. the distance and terrain has been shortened up considerably. i still managed to bag a deer this year. one shot, one kill. stinking pneumonia kicked my butt out of the woods and cut my season short.

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

OH MAH GAWD !!!!!!

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from blackdawgz wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Notbad...She will certainly be a contender in the Grinnin' Dawg Competition. For second place. You won't believe Bill. He shows 'em all. And talks, too!

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from firedog11 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Dave first post a warning when you publish a pic like that, I barely made it to the toilet. Second it is obvious who should take Heath Ledgers place as the joker in the next Batman movie.

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from Zermoid wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Only way a picture like that should be posted is with a warning before clicking to see it, if you are old enuff and tough enough not to become violently ill from it.

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from Mark-1 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

O yeah. Wind and the 220 Swift over 300-yds.

Ms Nancy--There must be someone out there with naked pic's of Nancy. Chirst! Some pho-tog got them of Jackie O!

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Mark-1-
Anyone who could bear to see naked pictures of San Fran Nan has no gag limit, and is a complete masochist.

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from wingshooter54 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Jeez, Dave; I see that plastic enhanced, ludicrous la-la land grin every day on the news. Did you have to ruin an otherwise wonderful blog (the main reason I open my email) with that hideous photo? A couple of postings of Ms. Elisa Cuthbert will surely make up for this travesty.

Regarding the 6.5x284, I don't think it will slay an animal any quicker or farther than my .260 Remington; a round claimed to be invented by Jim Carmichael, but according to P.O. Ackley's Vol I&II reloading books, wildcatted many years before that by Ken Waters and before him by another wildcatter whose name escapes me now. Carmichael had the influence to get Remington to adopt it as a factory cartridge. Another wildcat from Ackley's book was the 280 Ackley improved necked down to 6.5. Ackley lists 3,350 fps for the 125 gr. Nosler. Might be interesting to resurrect that one now that the 280 improved is a factory cartridge.

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from hengst wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal, Are you running your own booth at the 2011 Shot Show? I bet you secretly want her to be your booth babe..besides I am sure she will be looking for a new line of work soon. I tend to ignore the whole 100 yd more etc and focus on PBR and wind also

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Dave Petzal,
I remember having met Warren Page at the IBS Winter League benchrest matches at Millerton, when John Dewey managed those. Mr. Page was a gentleman and a fine shot, despite the bitter winter cold.
I remember your occasional visits to Paragon Sporting Goods on 18th & B'way in Manhattan, when it still sold firearms, and you were always fun to talk to, Dave.
At a time when I thought the Kodak Instamatic was the very pinnacle of my photographic acquisitions, you had a Hasselblad and impressive photos you'd taken with it. You were patient with my ignorance, and explained the benefits of the larger format, adjustable lenses and excellent optics. That left a lasting impression and led to many other camera purchases. I'm glad both of us still have a pulse!
Continue to write, Dave. You know you have a gift, with opinions and insights that need to be shared. God bless.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Maybe all her JFK pictures were under the desk except the one that has been on the net before? LOL

I honestly don't think I can click on this blog again and see that mug again...

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from Paul Wilke wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

I've been told,"the nipple clamps are to tight".

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from davidpetzal wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Dear Ed: Warren was indeed a hell of a shot. He never practiced. Just picked up a rifle, went to the match and won it. Indeed I remember when Paragon sold guns; in 1970 I got a 7mm Weatherby magnum there with one of the prettiest stocks I've ever seen on a factory rifle. Still have it, oddly enough.

I, too, am glad we're still on this side of the grass.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

wingshooter54,
Mr. Carmichael did invent and coerced Rem. to proprietor this round. In fact, and I don't remember which, but at the time he had created two rounds, one called the 'bobcat' the other the 'cheetah'. I can't remember which one made it to factory production but it was the .260 Rem.

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from Bernie wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Dave, I remember an article that you wrote several years ago for F & S entitled "The Guns You Keep" in which you told the story of that 7mm Weatherby--custom-stocked and completed earlier than you had planned. You were short on money but the proprietor allowed you some extra time to pay. Or at least that is how I remember the story. I also remember reading either on this blog or in F & S that you had retired the rifle since you cannot trust the airlines to transport it without damaging it or losing it.

By the way, my father, who is 92, bought a 7mm Weatherby for me in 1965. I had it rebarreled with a Douglas premium in 1980 and still own the rifle.

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from damo450 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

I am just waiting in horror for her to cut the flesh off of her cyborg hand and then for her senate army to join her! She has the thousand yard terminator gaze going 24/7!!!!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

David Petzal

Any chance of a link to that F&S article 'The Guns you Keep' that Bernie references above? I recall reading it, but the housekeeper obviously disturbed my nonexistent filing system.

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from WeatherbySven87 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

if nancy pelosi is here then who's runnin hell? dont stare into her eyes for too long or she will turn you to stone. either that or brain-wash you and put you in the ranks of her mindless zombie army shes building for world domination

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from WeatherbySven87 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

makes you wonder how people like her can sleep at night.
doing the things they do. digging a grave for america day by day for her own profit(cant tell you what that is cause u would have to pull teeth to get the truth out of that wench)

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Egads! I accidentally clicked on this blog again and was greeted by Satan Incarnate herself. Ruined my day. I need to go back to the Zeiss post and gaze at that pic as an antidote!

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from nc30-06 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Use that picture for sight-in targets. You won't believe how it improves your grouping. Just don't go for the real thing. That of course would be illegal.

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from Bryan01 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

it seems like F&S has been stretching for reasons to post photos of women in recent days, i.e., the date with a cover model . . . but this time you've crossed a line . . . ;)

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from Beekeeper wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Botox and conceit will do that to a face...

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Billboard size photos of Pelosi is not what I visit this site for. A photo of a baboons butt would better reflect the administration.

Somebody missing?

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from Hunter Savage wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

oh my god my eyes my eyes

Dave if you drag that thing out on these pages again please put a bag over it's head . Or whack it with a stick to knock that stupid fake smile off its head .Kinda looks like a possum wearing a wig.

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Dave Petzal,
I remember having met Warren Page at the IBS Winter League benchrest matches at Millerton, when John Dewey managed those. Mr. Page was a gentleman and a fine shot, despite the bitter winter cold.
I remember your occasional visits to Paragon Sporting Goods on 18th & B'way in Manhattan, when it still sold firearms, and you were always fun to talk to, Dave.
At a time when I thought the Kodak Instamatic was the very pinnacle of my photographic acquisitions, you had a Hasselblad and impressive photos you'd taken with it. You were patient with my ignorance, and explained the benefits of the larger format, adjustable lenses and excellent optics. That left a lasting impression and led to many other camera purchases. I'm glad both of us still have a pulse!
Continue to write, Dave. You know you have a gift, with opinions and insights that need to be shared. God bless.

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from thuroy wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

It is the same face a little kid makes win they lie or just stole something. Hmm! I wonder what she stole. Oh ya, our money!

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from dukkillr wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

That picture has just scarred me for life. Gee, thanks, Petzal. For future reference, I think I speak for everyone when I say that we seriously prefer Maxim cover models...

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from ricefarm wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Whenever I see her picture I recall an email that a lot of you surely saw where she has taken the place of the Wicked Witch of the West with the caption "Release the flying monkeys!" That is how I will always remember her though I am trying my best, through grain alcohol therapy to forget. If someone ever needed an antidote to Viagra, her picture would surely do the trick.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Jim, I 'll see if I can get you a date.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Perhaps some Nancy Pelosi Urinal Targets are in order.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Mark-1-
Anyone who could bear to see naked pictures of San Fran Nan has no gag limit, and is a complete masochist.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Cooper is probably Swedish too.

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from MLH wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

That is a face that would fit better in the Stepford Wives, but their minds are capable of deeper thought.

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from Sarge01 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

You scared me with that portrait. I wasn't prepared to see something like that. No wonder Harry Reid quickly jerked her hand off of his shoulder when she put it there. He dosen't have much sense but he knows that is not for him. I have heard that term for years and my feeble attempt at the definition that I thought it was is the range at which the bullet dosen't drop too much for a reasonable holdover shot and still has enough power to cleanly take an animal without having to hit it in the brain. I am probably way off base but that is what I have thought for over 40 years. That is how I describe what my rifles can do. I consider the useful range of my new 338 Federal is around 200 yards. If the rifle is sighted in at 100 yards you don't have to hold over too terrible much and it still has plenty to power to kill whatever I want to shoot it at. I'm sure someone will tell me that I don't know what I am talking about but then I have been used to hearing that for years.

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from Shaky wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

All; don't worry too much about Nanny P spending our money,worry about what/where you will hunt when we default on the Chinese loans. Right now China has mortgages on about 64% of our government land, and she WILL foreclose. The drilling for oil that has been stopped on public land will be resumed with a passion, guarded by Chinese soldiers and artillery. All perfectly legal. I am probably too old to see that, but some of you are not.
Just a thought to cheer you up.

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

OH MAH GAWD !!!!!!

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from WeatherbySven87 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

if nancy pelosi is here then who's runnin hell? dont stare into her eyes for too long or she will turn you to stone. either that or brain-wash you and put you in the ranks of her mindless zombie army shes building for world domination

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from WeatherbySven87 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

makes you wonder how people like her can sleep at night.
doing the things they do. digging a grave for america day by day for her own profit(cant tell you what that is cause u would have to pull teeth to get the truth out of that wench)

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from Mjenkins1 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

"you’re better of with a 6mm"

correction: "you're better OFF with a 6mm"

I just HAD to take this chance to spell check D. Petzal, because it doesn't happen often haha.

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from davidpetzal wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

To Mjennkins 1: Thanks for the catch. I was mesmerized by the Speaker's deathlike gaze, much like a ground squirrel looking at a rattlesnake, and forgot to proofread.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

I keep trying to post a reply, but is pelosi an obscene word these days? my post gets rejected for obscenity?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

No WAM, you cannot have a date with my Swedish Sister!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

buckhunter

Let a sleeping dog lie.....

Cheers,
WMH

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

...In which case useful range is probably <10feet

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

davidpetzal-
Don't know what this post is about, you have scared me into an hour long fit of the nervous heebie-jeebies and induced a case of nausea that has me heaving my toenails. Whatever old Joe Footinthemouth said, it cannot be as horrible as that picture! Can't write anything intelligent, because the picture won't let me get down to the text, therefor I will attempt a cure with 90 proof and call back tomorrow!

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

That woman doen'nt even look real its like something out of a horror movie or maybe a robot.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Beekeeper,
Forget the drugs, complete stupidity will do that to a face also.

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from BowtechWVU wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Decent post about our government

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

So much more reason to learn to live off the land shaky ;)
Git your silencer and ghillie suit now and learn from good poachers how they git away with it :)
america will never git out of debt, better have an armed revolution be4 foreclosure and claim the land by force.. general amnesty worldwide and we can all begin again. People will still need food and shelter etc. the world will go on as it allways has, detrimental regimes will not, not in theire survival instincts. just rape, pillage and burn. just now by people in suits and mercedes and so on. (facepalm) people can be so stupid u know :P

btw, the last thing going through a vikings head just be4 the longship hits the shore "rape pillage burn, rape pillage burn, rape pillage burn, and dont get it in the wrong order this time" :D:D:D

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from firedog11 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Dave first post a warning when you publish a pic like that, I barely made it to the toilet. Second it is obvious who should take Heath Ledgers place as the joker in the next Batman movie.

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from Zermoid wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Only way a picture like that should be posted is with a warning before clicking to see it, if you are old enuff and tough enough not to become violently ill from it.

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from davidpetzal wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Dear Ed: Warren was indeed a hell of a shot. He never practiced. Just picked up a rifle, went to the match and won it. Indeed I remember when Paragon sold guns; in 1970 I got a 7mm Weatherby magnum there with one of the prettiest stocks I've ever seen on a factory rifle. Still have it, oddly enough.

I, too, am glad we're still on this side of the grass.

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from Bernie wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Dave, I remember an article that you wrote several years ago for F & S entitled "The Guns You Keep" in which you told the story of that 7mm Weatherby--custom-stocked and completed earlier than you had planned. You were short on money but the proprietor allowed you some extra time to pay. Or at least that is how I remember the story. I also remember reading either on this blog or in F & S that you had retired the rifle since you cannot trust the airlines to transport it without damaging it or losing it.

By the way, my father, who is 92, bought a 7mm Weatherby for me in 1965. I had it rebarreled with a Douglas premium in 1980 and still own the rifle.

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from damo450 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

I am just waiting in horror for her to cut the flesh off of her cyborg hand and then for her senate army to join her! She has the thousand yard terminator gaze going 24/7!!!!

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from NolanOsborne wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Mine too...

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Maybe it was the Monica reference...

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from Cgull wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Lol, are comparing Pelosi and Cooper?

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from Cgull wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

somthing wrong with server or sight, needs to be FIXED?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

David you could of said, "anything past 300 yards rainbows like hell!" Unless your shooting that Thunder++++++ you mentioned earlier and if the ballistic calculator was correct, you sight it in at 400 yards!

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from Cgull wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

How come cooper can type more than one sentence at a time?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

David, that was a quote from Norma itself, didn't want to take anything out of text. By the way, tried to cross reference the 284 with other cases to see if cases could have been used to make 284 cases. It's like taking 300 Win Mag or 7mm Rem Mag and making 338 Win Mag.

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from MLH wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Perhaps that sentence translates better back into Swedish.

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from shane wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Lots of fudging going on in the ballistics/shooting world. Useful range? Optimum weight range? All kinds of knock down power formulas? If I can get some sort of bullet through both of something's lungs, it works. There isn't much for math that will figure that one.

Better question - What's my useful range? Not very far? Ha ha.

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

usefull range is where u can hit your target and assure a clean kill with a good hit. end of story and depending on the hunter etc.. my usefull range with my 308 win is about 350 yards.. on small game. 275 on moose.. :)

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from Walt Smith wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

The only face worse than that was Tammy Fae Baker.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Dave,please; Give us a female photo WORTH looking at!

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from z41 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

"Master of the wind." Gee Dave I never figured you as being so religious. :) The Pastor

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from elmer f. wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

being disabled, and a hunter, to me, "useful range" means the distance that any given gun can exact a drt on the game you are shooting. if it is a target made of paper, that is a long way. if it is a bear, that distance shortens considerably! at this point, i can still get around in the woods to a certain extent. that distance is definitly helped by my atv. honestly, i do not bear unt. never really wanted to shoot one. just not my thing i guess. i do deer hunt, with the help of my brother and a few freinds. small game and varmint hunting are a lot easier. i will not lay down my arms until i can no longer get out to shoot. the distance and terrain has been shortened up considerably. i still managed to bag a deer this year. one shot, one kill. stinking pneumonia kicked my butt out of the woods and cut my season short.

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from blackdawgz wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Notbad...She will certainly be a contender in the Grinnin' Dawg Competition. For second place. You won't believe Bill. He shows 'em all. And talks, too!

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from Mark-1 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

O yeah. Wind and the 220 Swift over 300-yds.

Ms Nancy--There must be someone out there with naked pic's of Nancy. Chirst! Some pho-tog got them of Jackie O!

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from wingshooter54 wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Jeez, Dave; I see that plastic enhanced, ludicrous la-la land grin every day on the news. Did you have to ruin an otherwise wonderful blog (the main reason I open my email) with that hideous photo? A couple of postings of Ms. Elisa Cuthbert will surely make up for this travesty.

Regarding the 6.5x284, I don't think it will slay an animal any quicker or farther than my .260 Remington; a round claimed to be invented by Jim Carmichael, but according to P.O. Ackley's Vol I&II reloading books, wildcatted many years before that by Ken Waters and before him by another wildcatter whose name escapes me now. Carmichael had the influence to get Remington to adopt it as a factory cartridge. Another wildcat from Ackley's book was the 280 Ackley improved necked down to 6.5. Ackley lists 3,350 fps for the 125 gr. Nosler. Might be interesting to resurrect that one now that the 280 improved is a factory cartridge.

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from hengst wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal, Are you running your own booth at the 2011 Shot Show? I bet you secretly want her to be your booth babe..besides I am sure she will be looking for a new line of work soon. I tend to ignore the whole 100 yd more etc and focus on PBR and wind also

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Maybe all her JFK pictures were under the desk except the one that has been on the net before? LOL

I honestly don't think I can click on this blog again and see that mug again...

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from Paul Wilke wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

I've been told,"the nipple clamps are to tight".

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from Jim in Mo wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

wingshooter54,
Mr. Carmichael did invent and coerced Rem. to proprietor this round. In fact, and I don't remember which, but at the time he had created two rounds, one called the 'bobcat' the other the 'cheetah'. I can't remember which one made it to factory production but it was the .260 Rem.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

David Petzal

Any chance of a link to that F&S article 'The Guns you Keep' that Bernie references above? I recall reading it, but the housekeeper obviously disturbed my nonexistent filing system.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Egads! I accidentally clicked on this blog again and was greeted by Satan Incarnate herself. Ruined my day. I need to go back to the Zeiss post and gaze at that pic as an antidote!

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from nc30-06 wrote 4 years 2 weeks ago

Use that picture for sight-in targets. You won't believe how it improves your grouping. Just don't go for the real thing. That of course would be illegal.

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from jim in nc wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

Hey, y'all--think what you will of her politics, you should hope you look so good at 70 ;-)

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