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April 29, 2010

Bourjaily: Why I Hate Hunting From Turkey Blinds

By Philip Bourjaily

The last split of our turkey season opened this morning.  As always, I dropped my son at school and got to the woods around 8:00. By 8:30 I had already missed a gobbler.*  No big deal: I got to keep hunting, the turkey got  to keep breathing. We were both okay with it.

What upset me more than missing a turkey was seeing two young guys toting shotguns, a bag of three or four decoys, and a popup blind into the woods. These two kids are part of a whole generation of hunters  (plenty of their elders around here hunt this way now too) who think sitting inside a folding nylon cube is how you hunt turkeys.

I hate hunting from popup blinds. I don’t even feel like I’m outside when I’m in one. Turkey hunting is supposed to be about wandering the woods after a long winter. Why spend a spring day in an ice fishing shelter? There is way too much to see at this time of year to confine yourself to the view from an zip-open window. 

Then there’s the hiding. I know, you have to hold still and make sure the back blind windows are closed, but how hard is it to hide from a turkey when you’re inside a tent?  Calling a sharp-eyed bird close while pretending to be a lump at the base of a tree is the essential thrill of turkey hunting.  A growing number  of hunters have never experienced it.

A little while ago a guy told me his turkey story from last year, and how on his way in to his spot he practically bumped into a strutting gobbler. He got down on all fours and crawled on his hands and knees past the bird to get to the security of his popup hide. It never occurred to him to sit against the nearest tree and call the bird in because he had never hunted turkeys without a blind before – and that’s a shame.

*I am “Shooting Editor” of Field & Stream, not “Killing Editor” (if we had a “Killing Editor” it would be Dave anyway). Nothing in my title says I actually have to hit what I shoot at.

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from straightshooter wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I agree with you Phil. Trying not to blink as a hen stares at you from five feet away is an experience that you just don't get when enclosed in a popup blind.

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from hengst wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Kind of apples and oranges but...I could sit in a blind on a watering hole and definately get a shot at a nice pronghorn with my bow. I enjoy seeing how close I can get, low crawling, playing the wind and yes even cacti and rattlesnakes are a part of the hunt. I have tried for 3 yrs to stalk close enough, no cigar...YET....but this is a new year and on 15 Aug 2010 I will be on the prairie low crawling with my bow, sweating, cussing cacti and spooking pronghorn....but that is hunting and when I finally get it done it will be something to remember...a true trophy....no blinds for me thanks

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from suburban bushwacker wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Modern life Phil, is rubbish
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from weekendwarrior wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Different set ups call for different strategies. I'm all for run-n-gun in the morning, setting up against tree. Killed several birds that way. But for an afternoon set up on the corner of a field when you know that you are going to be there for several hours, why not use a blind. How many times have you made your own blinds with limbs and sticks? No difference in my mind.

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from dneaster3 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

"Nothing in my title says I actually have to hit what I shoot at." mine neither! ha!

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from MLH wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

What you didn't see were the Gameboys and cell phones they had in their pockets. Pretty hard to play games and text when you're out in the open.

I do find blinds helpful when hunting with kids that can't sit still or need some hands-on guidance. Also nice when it is raining or well below freezing. Have to agree with you that you lose the true experience of being in nature when you're looking at it through a window. Being mobile is also a huge advantage with turkeys, especially in the woods.

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from rudyglove27 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I also agree with you Phil..The only blinds I use are natural and made out of things found in the woods that turkeys see on a daily basis...Unless I'm taking a new hunter with me I seldom use a blind for Turkey Hunting..I usually find a big tree and sets up in the shadows of that Tree!!!

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from WVOtter wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I'll tell you what, you've sold me with just one of your points. I've been debating a blind for archery in the fall. I have a climber, but I'm much happier on the ground. However, I never thought of, "I don’t even feel like I’m outside when I’m in one.". I just got done telling a coworker my favorite part of hunting in how much more intimate you become with insects, tree bark, birds' songs, the woods daily progression of shadows, etc. when hunting...you would lose that in a blind.

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from horseman308 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I hunted from a pop-up blind for the first and last time last season. I called for a buddy of mine whose tag was for the week before mine, and he was bowhunting. So, we used a blind, on the premise that it would be easier for him to draw from within the blind. It's probably the only decent excuse I can think of for a pop-up. But it was one of the most boring hunts of my life.

I may be part of the generation who grew up with gameboys and have a little trouble sitting perfectly still for hours on end, but I'd still rather try that than sit in a tent all day.

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from pbshooter1217 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I've only hunted turkeys a few times. I've been inside a blind, sitting at the base of a tree, and stalking with my dad's friend. The closest I've been to a turkey was when I was just sitting at the base of a tree. It couldn't have been more than 10ft away.

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I prefer to not use a blind but if hunting the middle of an open field or pasture the blind is really the only way to go.

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from shane wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Phil and suburban bushwacker - AMEN.

You won't catch me in a blind. Too immobile, too boring, too easy.

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from fortyfive70 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

to each his own....this is my 40th year turkey hunting, and how I was taught is totaly different then how i hunt now.....same way with deer hunting....things change...thats life

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from NolanOsborne wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Time and a place for everything, *GASP* blinds included ;)

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from Nebraskahunter18 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

No mean to be rude but i think it is kinda stupid we had a jake come so close we could have touched with our hands get your point and all but lets say you take your 7 or 8 year old with you hes is supposed to sit still for up to 3 hours?

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from Gritz wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

The only reason I got into hunting turkeys was because I have never done it before and I was sick of eating squirrels in the fall awaiting deer season. I was doing some scouting in the fall and figured that I would take my shotgun with me and shoot a turkey. I had a lot of fun. It never even occurred to me to dress up or buy a special turkey gun. After having a blast that fall I felt silly just buying camo pants and a turkey call. I felt like a schmuck spending money on "turkey loads,' even though I use a 20 gauge and the shells were purchased on the cheap over the winter. But I got my second turkey this spring and had a great time just finding my turkeys and laying an ambush down. I was really surprised to see that the turkey call actually worked. I don't know why. Maybe it is because I have had miserable success with deer calls and considered calling animals a gimmick to sell plastic. But after that I am hooked and maybe next year I will even splurge to buy some other gizmo. But to me, if the cost of the hunt reaches past the prize of the turkey meat then I will just leave the gadgets and take a walk in the woods.

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from Nebraskahunter18 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Let me ask you this if you are a bow hunter do you sit in a tree stand......... its the same concept ever think of that???? this also kind of undermines the concept of "take a kid hunting" thats been preached over and over

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from co2 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I enjoy going low teck. No blinds, no decoys, no camo. My permit starts Monday, and I will see if I can make the magic happen again.

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from SD Bob wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I think Phil has been taking some of Dave's curmudgeon pills? Blinds are a fine way to hunt! If you don't like it? No big deal! When I'm after turkey's with a firearm, I prefer the run and gun method. That is walk and call and when you get a response, you find a nice tree and get ready. When bowhunting, you'll find me in a blind in an area turkey's frequent a bunch. Yes I agree it's not as fun as the run and gun method but it sure helps conceal your draw. A big advantage of a blind though is when that tom sneaks in unannouced and cuts loose with an orgasmic gobble right behind your blind, your startled movement is unseen and its' still on!

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from huntnfishnut wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I find those popups usually stick out like a sore thumb anyways. The only nice thing is when the weather is a little iffy and it does allow you to move around more. Call that a plus or minus, depends on the day.

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from elmer f. wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I really dont like hunting from a shelter either. even in the cold of winter. if i am going to be in the woods, i want to be in the woods. do i own a shelter? yep. and i take it with me. but 95% of the time, it sits in the truck. i use it when it is raining. i HATE being soaked to the skin when hunting. i have used it twice to hide from the wind as well (less than 10 degrees and over 20 mph wind). other than that, shelters do not have much use in my arsenal. basicly, it is a way to keep hunting, when it would be to miserable to hunt otherwise.

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from wgiles wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

It's what all the people on the TV shows do. It's a shame that most of the outdoor programs on TV are about selling and not about teaching.

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from onthegroundoutdoors wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

blind hunting for turkeys.......just another tactic in my deep bag of tricks. Is this method my favorite, not really, in fact i did kill one bird from a blind this season....and another bird later while looking at the blind across a field....sittin on the ground "properly". We do a good bit of filming and blinds make this a much easier situation to handle.

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from Gritz wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I think it is interesting the everyone gives the excuse that they have young kids with them. I guess, then, you could sit in a blind or just sit in your living room with the window open for a gun slot and feed the turkeys all year so they come in your yard. But then you wouldn't need a shot gun because you could butcher them like a chicken. What I am trying to say is that just because you have smaller kids tagging along doesn't mean you have to change what hunting is. There is nothing wrong with having a 9 year old sit against a tree for as long as he can sit still. After that, sling the damned gun and go for a walk. Maybe you will kick up some turkeys while exploring and that will be better incentive for her to sit still longer on the next sit. So my point is that we can hunt or we can train our children to hunt. Sometimes we have to forget about bagging a turkey for a while and just have fun in the woods. Otherwise we get teenagers who have never gone without a blind, scent control, electronic turkey calls, heated butt seats, and on and on and they think that that is hunting and that hunting is all about siting in a hut until a bird walks buy and blowing it away from 40 yards with their 10 gauge super magnum. Oh yeah, and for some reason, the more wizardry and less hunting people use out in the woods, the more important it seems to be for them to 'bag that trophy,' whatever the trophy happens to be.
Just get your kids out in the woods and get em dirty as hell. Them maybe they will have something to remember besides what the inside of a tent looks like while they text their friends about how bored they are.

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Phil, About that miss. Was your shotgun tricked out with a scope at the time? Just curious.

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from Zermoid wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Some of the State Game commissions don't help matters either. Run-n-gun is illegal in PA for Turkeys. You must hunt from a stationary calling location. No stalking of turkeys or turkey sounds, warden catches you and you better have a good reason to be walking thru the woods in Spring Turkey!

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from tom warner wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Gritz: I LOVE calls of every kind and I assure that they are not gimmicks! I have called many Deer, Moose, Waterfowl, Ruffed Grouse (believe it or not) Squirrels, and countless gobblers. I have also seen other folks call Quail and indians call jungle fowl in So. America. Just fantastic stuff! Must be seen to be believed. I saw a guy call quail right into the cab of a pick-up truck one day in Texas. You just have commit yourself to calling and try not to feel like a idiot. You will never be sorry,I promise. I have sometimes wondered if there was anything that could not be called if one just knew how.

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from buck hunter wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

April 10-11 was the youth hunt here in Wisconsin. My dad, brother, and I went out the first day and decided to run and gun (like always). With one miss throughout the hole day and two close calls, we ended the day. The next morning we were walking the field edge listening for gobbles. We got a response and the bird immediately flew down. The only thing we had to hide behind was......A 10 foot grove of pricker bushes. We dove into it and it ended up we would get a double at the same time that morning. I've shot many turkeys with my bow and gun, and would say you don't need a blind for hunting turkeys at all. A gillie suit works good though. The next day at school my friend asked me if i got anything. I told him that we had two birds down and he said in shock: WHAT. He then told me that he sat in a blind all day for both days and never saw a turkey.

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from philbourjaily wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Buckhunter -- My gun has a Zeiss Z-Point red dot on it.
That was its first miss. I misestimated the range on a turkey that was not coming any closer.
Gritz -- you are exactly right.I would add t that why do 7-8 year olds need to start on deer and turkeys? Why can't we take them squirrel hunting first? Or on an early season duck hunt, which is how I started my kids.
Nebraska Hunter 18 -- That's an interesting analogy about blinds and treestands, but I would compare blinds and shooting houses. I don't even mind a blind, I mind having a roof over my head when I hunt.

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from okduckhunter wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I like you're writing and I enjoy your blog, but don't start acting all high and mighty. I've never successfully hunted turkeys, to each his own I guess, but your rant about hunting turkeys from a pop up blind sort of reminds me of the movement to marginalize hunting game with an ar-15, or using a deer stand. As a duck hunter it seems we're always under scrutiny about spinning wing decoys. I respect your opinion, but what do you care how someone hunts as long as it's legal/fair chase? I'd rather see people getting out and furthering our shooting sports rather than overalalyzing how it's done and pointing out how it's not like it used to be.

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from Paul Wilke wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Just finished my fourth attempt this Spring. No turkey, saw five hens at different ties, but at no time was I free to pursue the issue. No blinds just a tree and some brush a decoy and a call twice a day for five days. High winds riped my tent and rain soaked me twice. Ticks played a big part in my outing (counted 35 in one four hour period), and came down with the big red rash that indicates Lyme deseas.
I've picked out a new tent, fumigated all my clothes and gear to kill the ticks and finished a treatment to prevent Lyme disease.
All in all I had a great time. Looking to doing it again next year (maybe this Fall).
No blinds in my future, but more power to anyone who uses one. I have to much fun my way.
However if you can use the help, I'll pack in some of your gear and help you set up, I might learn something.

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from thomas j jerko wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

i agree with your comments of hunting turkey from a blind, but i have developed a slight problem in the spring ( april, may )allergies! to pollin and mold spore ! so hunting is not the best but it helps!and if i wear a particulate respirator ( ihave not found any in camo )it helps too. i would love to be able to run and gun but this condition makes it tough,and places like pennsylvania, west virginia, missouri, ohio, florida don't make it any easier.

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from SL wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

"run-n-gun is illegal in PA for Turkeys. You must hunt from a stationary calling location. No stalking of turkeys or turkey sounds, warden catches you and you better have a good reason to be walking thru the woods in Spring Turkey!"

So how does the turkey hunter get to his stationary calling location without walking to it? Does he get a helicopter to lower him down into the spot by rope? I would think a good many turkey hunters kill there turkeys while walking to and from any given location no matter what the PA game laws say. So if a hunter hears a turkey a few hundred yards away, he can't try to sneak closer to a better vantage point?? You think most hunters will just keep calling from half a mile away without trying to get closer?? Sounds like a dumb law that really can't be enforced in my opinion.

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from berkshiredave wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

This story makes me wonder if.... the boys may have also been carrying a turkey that had just survived one such encounter.

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from kyka1865 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I wish I could agree with this but I just can't. I actually hunt from a blind quite a bit and am probaly in that age range you mentioned. I love to hunt turkeys run and gun but the simple reality is that it is very hard to do here. We hunt many soybean fields on small plots of land with other hunters around. It is just not practical or successful to hunt the birds any other way. There are very little patches of woods and the birds really only use these as corridors. I have killed one or two out of the blind ( I have only killed 5). It is not always easier using the blunds either. Last year it took me several days to kill a turkey out of the blind (13 to be exact). Yesterday I sat and watched 10 jakes and toms parade outside of my range unable to doa thing about it, they ignore my calls and everything else. And honestly I believe that turkeys are getting smart to the blinds, they now know what that sound in the ealry mornign is and where it's coming from. We are only allowd to hunt till noon in ohio so it makes it that much harder to run and gun.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I am not a Blind hunter either;I may have more success if I were to, but I don't so some animals get to live another day.
Honestly, I am a bit if a wonderer in the field thinking that darn animal has moved, so I better move to another spot,too!

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from country road wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I don't believe in enclosed blinds, but I will occasionally use a ground blind---the kind that you jab four stakes in the ground---when the woods are too open and I can't find any kind of natural foliage to make a blind out of. I might well change my mind if I had to hunt fields, etc.

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from Mark-1 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Modern hunting techniques; Deer hunter perch. Turkey hunters nest.

Good help these fat boys-n-girls if they had to walk more than 100-yds and use REAL hunting skills.

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from Carney wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Last pragraph was greatly telling... If you can make the connection: my sister had a cat that had to come inside to use the litter box...

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from JohnR wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I think the use or non-use of blinds for turkey hunting has to do with the particular location one is hunting as has been stated by others in this blog.
My buddy's son shot a big gobbler through the mesh window of his blind. We asked him why he did that. He stated that the tom came from a direction he hadn't anticipated. He was afraid that tom would catch some movement if he tried to open the mesh window. So he shot him through the mesh window. We still get a good laugh from that.
I prefer to sit in the open because I too enjoy the woods and all the sights and smells.
I may be wrong but I opine historically, that all purpose hunting blinds (prefab and others) are an inevitable evolution of the duck blind. I do not know too many people who do not hunt ducks and other waterfowl without the use of a blind. It was simply a matter of time before someone's light bulb went off and thought "Hey, I could hunt deer (or whatever) from a blind."
I say like'em or not, they're not going away so we may as well get used to them and be thankful the people who use them are at least buying a hunting license and going hunting. After all we in general are supposed to be a dying breed.

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from Jere Smith wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

"Nothing in my title says I actually have to hit what I shoot at." LMAO!!!!!!!! I wish could get 60% of my birds,70 % of my deer, 80 % of my skeet birds but being 69 in Aug I guess that too much to hope for?

Kids hunting, 7-8 years old should be devoted to rabbits & Squirrels to teach marksmanship 8-11 practicing woodcraft.
12- up Deer & turkey IF they can be QUIET if not leave them at home till they can .

After that you should have a good hunting partner.

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from fisherman wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

You have a point. I too enjoy sitting against a tree much more than I do hunting from a blind, but there are times when a blind is useful. Consider, for one, hunting in the rain. And another example is hunting a large field. If the turkeys come out from someplace you don't have permission to hunt, or are careful to keep away from field edges, a popup is the way to go. (I have seen people try to hunt from layouts for turkeys... Bad idea.)

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from dcloutier40 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Hmmmm... I get upset when one hunter judges another with some elitist attitude. This guy should be happy two see two young people hunting period. Our numbers fall each year and your children's children will probably not be able to hunt due to access or it will be a shunned activity by society. The anti's are not defeating us its apathy and elitism. One example is the archery hunters disdain for the crossbow hunters. They use words like fair chase and traditional use to gain political and social favor all the while excluding other hunters. When in fact the compound bow is as fast, harder hittng, faster to reload 3-1 and more accurate at father distances. The archery elite just want there own seaon and don't want to share with other hunters. Crossbows will keep older hunters hunting and introduce many more to the sport growing our numbers. I love to flyfish but don't mind seeing others use a bobber and worm. I do not believe in flyfishing only waters. This is elitism like the archery crowd. This is an upperhand to the anti's as we the outdoorsman continue to divide and conquer ourselves.

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from RipperIII wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

this is only my second season of hunting anything, including turkey.
Last season I killed my first gobbler while sitting with my back against a mud bank...I did have out two decoys,...and a buddy called in the gobbler for me.
So this year I've been going it alone...no pop-up, sometimes a decoy sometimes not.
It is definitely more exciting to "cut out" a hide out and call in a bird,...any bird, hen, jake or gobbler.
Been taken to school twice this season by two different gobblers, one gobbled aggressively to my calls, closing to with in 20-30 yds but not showing himself,...called him back twice, then he went quiet...45 minutes later I stand up to move and he flys off, not 20 yds from me,...slipping up from behind me.
The gobbler I mistook for a jake.
It sure is fun hunkering down in the woods, watching all the critters move about, and pretty cool to have an adult Turkey hen walk up to with in 10 yds of you, look you up and down, then go about her business...that was cool.

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from Beekeeper wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Amen Phil,

You have not lived as a turkey hunter until you have called a bird up to the toe of your boot.

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from kyka1865 wrote 2 years 2 weeks ago

I am jealous to hunt the birds the way all you who run and gun do. Unfortunately It is very difficult to hunt he birds over big open field with bad woodlines without a blind. I missed a bird opening day that snuck up on me at 25 yards, while it is thrilling in a way to have them close and personal, it is also disapointing because I have proven to myslef that my woodsmanship was good enough that day to lure bird within range, but not to finish the act. Our birds also tend to move pretty quiet so once they come down from the trees and make a little noise, they shut up tight for the most part, No gobbles, nothing. It doesn't really matter anyway cause you are not going to locate on in a 15 wide fence row or a 25 acre plowed soybean field. I am with the other guys at least we are out there, thats more than a lot of young men can say.

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from AJMcClure wrote 2 years 2 weeks ago

I just hate hunting them in turkey season, I see them all day on a deer stand.

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from fortyfive70 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

to each his own....this is my 40th year turkey hunting, and how I was taught is totaly different then how i hunt now.....same way with deer hunting....things change...thats life

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from suburban bushwacker wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Modern life Phil, is rubbish
SBW

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from Gritz wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

The only reason I got into hunting turkeys was because I have never done it before and I was sick of eating squirrels in the fall awaiting deer season. I was doing some scouting in the fall and figured that I would take my shotgun with me and shoot a turkey. I had a lot of fun. It never even occurred to me to dress up or buy a special turkey gun. After having a blast that fall I felt silly just buying camo pants and a turkey call. I felt like a schmuck spending money on "turkey loads,' even though I use a 20 gauge and the shells were purchased on the cheap over the winter. But I got my second turkey this spring and had a great time just finding my turkeys and laying an ambush down. I was really surprised to see that the turkey call actually worked. I don't know why. Maybe it is because I have had miserable success with deer calls and considered calling animals a gimmick to sell plastic. But after that I am hooked and maybe next year I will even splurge to buy some other gizmo. But to me, if the cost of the hunt reaches past the prize of the turkey meat then I will just leave the gadgets and take a walk in the woods.

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from co2 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I enjoy going low teck. No blinds, no decoys, no camo. My permit starts Monday, and I will see if I can make the magic happen again.

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from Gritz wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I think it is interesting the everyone gives the excuse that they have young kids with them. I guess, then, you could sit in a blind or just sit in your living room with the window open for a gun slot and feed the turkeys all year so they come in your yard. But then you wouldn't need a shot gun because you could butcher them like a chicken. What I am trying to say is that just because you have smaller kids tagging along doesn't mean you have to change what hunting is. There is nothing wrong with having a 9 year old sit against a tree for as long as he can sit still. After that, sling the damned gun and go for a walk. Maybe you will kick up some turkeys while exploring and that will be better incentive for her to sit still longer on the next sit. So my point is that we can hunt or we can train our children to hunt. Sometimes we have to forget about bagging a turkey for a while and just have fun in the woods. Otherwise we get teenagers who have never gone without a blind, scent control, electronic turkey calls, heated butt seats, and on and on and they think that that is hunting and that hunting is all about siting in a hut until a bird walks buy and blowing it away from 40 yards with their 10 gauge super magnum. Oh yeah, and for some reason, the more wizardry and less hunting people use out in the woods, the more important it seems to be for them to 'bag that trophy,' whatever the trophy happens to be.
Just get your kids out in the woods and get em dirty as hell. Them maybe they will have something to remember besides what the inside of a tent looks like while they text their friends about how bored they are.

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from straightshooter wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I agree with you Phil. Trying not to blink as a hen stares at you from five feet away is an experience that you just don't get when enclosed in a popup blind.

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from hengst wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Kind of apples and oranges but...I could sit in a blind on a watering hole and definately get a shot at a nice pronghorn with my bow. I enjoy seeing how close I can get, low crawling, playing the wind and yes even cacti and rattlesnakes are a part of the hunt. I have tried for 3 yrs to stalk close enough, no cigar...YET....but this is a new year and on 15 Aug 2010 I will be on the prairie low crawling with my bow, sweating, cussing cacti and spooking pronghorn....but that is hunting and when I finally get it done it will be something to remember...a true trophy....no blinds for me thanks

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from weekendwarrior wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Different set ups call for different strategies. I'm all for run-n-gun in the morning, setting up against tree. Killed several birds that way. But for an afternoon set up on the corner of a field when you know that you are going to be there for several hours, why not use a blind. How many times have you made your own blinds with limbs and sticks? No difference in my mind.

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from dneaster3 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

"Nothing in my title says I actually have to hit what I shoot at." mine neither! ha!

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from MLH wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

What you didn't see were the Gameboys and cell phones they had in their pockets. Pretty hard to play games and text when you're out in the open.

I do find blinds helpful when hunting with kids that can't sit still or need some hands-on guidance. Also nice when it is raining or well below freezing. Have to agree with you that you lose the true experience of being in nature when you're looking at it through a window. Being mobile is also a huge advantage with turkeys, especially in the woods.

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from rudyglove27 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I also agree with you Phil..The only blinds I use are natural and made out of things found in the woods that turkeys see on a daily basis...Unless I'm taking a new hunter with me I seldom use a blind for Turkey Hunting..I usually find a big tree and sets up in the shadows of that Tree!!!

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from WVOtter wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I'll tell you what, you've sold me with just one of your points. I've been debating a blind for archery in the fall. I have a climber, but I'm much happier on the ground. However, I never thought of, "I don’t even feel like I’m outside when I’m in one.". I just got done telling a coworker my favorite part of hunting in how much more intimate you become with insects, tree bark, birds' songs, the woods daily progression of shadows, etc. when hunting...you would lose that in a blind.

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from horseman308 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I hunted from a pop-up blind for the first and last time last season. I called for a buddy of mine whose tag was for the week before mine, and he was bowhunting. So, we used a blind, on the premise that it would be easier for him to draw from within the blind. It's probably the only decent excuse I can think of for a pop-up. But it was one of the most boring hunts of my life.

I may be part of the generation who grew up with gameboys and have a little trouble sitting perfectly still for hours on end, but I'd still rather try that than sit in a tent all day.

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from pbshooter1217 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I've only hunted turkeys a few times. I've been inside a blind, sitting at the base of a tree, and stalking with my dad's friend. The closest I've been to a turkey was when I was just sitting at the base of a tree. It couldn't have been more than 10ft away.

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I prefer to not use a blind but if hunting the middle of an open field or pasture the blind is really the only way to go.

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from shane wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Phil and suburban bushwacker - AMEN.

You won't catch me in a blind. Too immobile, too boring, too easy.

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from NolanOsborne wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Time and a place for everything, *GASP* blinds included ;)

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from Nebraskahunter18 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Let me ask you this if you are a bow hunter do you sit in a tree stand......... its the same concept ever think of that???? this also kind of undermines the concept of "take a kid hunting" thats been preached over and over

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from SD Bob wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I think Phil has been taking some of Dave's curmudgeon pills? Blinds are a fine way to hunt! If you don't like it? No big deal! When I'm after turkey's with a firearm, I prefer the run and gun method. That is walk and call and when you get a response, you find a nice tree and get ready. When bowhunting, you'll find me in a blind in an area turkey's frequent a bunch. Yes I agree it's not as fun as the run and gun method but it sure helps conceal your draw. A big advantage of a blind though is when that tom sneaks in unannouced and cuts loose with an orgasmic gobble right behind your blind, your startled movement is unseen and its' still on!

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from huntnfishnut wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I find those popups usually stick out like a sore thumb anyways. The only nice thing is when the weather is a little iffy and it does allow you to move around more. Call that a plus or minus, depends on the day.

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from philbourjaily wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Buckhunter -- My gun has a Zeiss Z-Point red dot on it.
That was its first miss. I misestimated the range on a turkey that was not coming any closer.
Gritz -- you are exactly right.I would add t that why do 7-8 year olds need to start on deer and turkeys? Why can't we take them squirrel hunting first? Or on an early season duck hunt, which is how I started my kids.
Nebraska Hunter 18 -- That's an interesting analogy about blinds and treestands, but I would compare blinds and shooting houses. I don't even mind a blind, I mind having a roof over my head when I hunt.

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from okduckhunter wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I like you're writing and I enjoy your blog, but don't start acting all high and mighty. I've never successfully hunted turkeys, to each his own I guess, but your rant about hunting turkeys from a pop up blind sort of reminds me of the movement to marginalize hunting game with an ar-15, or using a deer stand. As a duck hunter it seems we're always under scrutiny about spinning wing decoys. I respect your opinion, but what do you care how someone hunts as long as it's legal/fair chase? I'd rather see people getting out and furthering our shooting sports rather than overalalyzing how it's done and pointing out how it's not like it used to be.

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from SL wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

"run-n-gun is illegal in PA for Turkeys. You must hunt from a stationary calling location. No stalking of turkeys or turkey sounds, warden catches you and you better have a good reason to be walking thru the woods in Spring Turkey!"

So how does the turkey hunter get to his stationary calling location without walking to it? Does he get a helicopter to lower him down into the spot by rope? I would think a good many turkey hunters kill there turkeys while walking to and from any given location no matter what the PA game laws say. So if a hunter hears a turkey a few hundred yards away, he can't try to sneak closer to a better vantage point?? You think most hunters will just keep calling from half a mile away without trying to get closer?? Sounds like a dumb law that really can't be enforced in my opinion.

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from kyka1865 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I wish I could agree with this but I just can't. I actually hunt from a blind quite a bit and am probaly in that age range you mentioned. I love to hunt turkeys run and gun but the simple reality is that it is very hard to do here. We hunt many soybean fields on small plots of land with other hunters around. It is just not practical or successful to hunt the birds any other way. There are very little patches of woods and the birds really only use these as corridors. I have killed one or two out of the blind ( I have only killed 5). It is not always easier using the blunds either. Last year it took me several days to kill a turkey out of the blind (13 to be exact). Yesterday I sat and watched 10 jakes and toms parade outside of my range unable to doa thing about it, they ignore my calls and everything else. And honestly I believe that turkeys are getting smart to the blinds, they now know what that sound in the ealry mornign is and where it's coming from. We are only allowd to hunt till noon in ohio so it makes it that much harder to run and gun.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I am not a Blind hunter either;I may have more success if I were to, but I don't so some animals get to live another day.
Honestly, I am a bit if a wonderer in the field thinking that darn animal has moved, so I better move to another spot,too!

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from country road wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I don't believe in enclosed blinds, but I will occasionally use a ground blind---the kind that you jab four stakes in the ground---when the woods are too open and I can't find any kind of natural foliage to make a blind out of. I might well change my mind if I had to hunt fields, etc.

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from Mark-1 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Modern hunting techniques; Deer hunter perch. Turkey hunters nest.

Good help these fat boys-n-girls if they had to walk more than 100-yds and use REAL hunting skills.

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from Carney wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Last pragraph was greatly telling... If you can make the connection: my sister had a cat that had to come inside to use the litter box...

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from Nebraskahunter18 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

No mean to be rude but i think it is kinda stupid we had a jake come so close we could have touched with our hands get your point and all but lets say you take your 7 or 8 year old with you hes is supposed to sit still for up to 3 hours?

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from elmer f. wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I really dont like hunting from a shelter either. even in the cold of winter. if i am going to be in the woods, i want to be in the woods. do i own a shelter? yep. and i take it with me. but 95% of the time, it sits in the truck. i use it when it is raining. i HATE being soaked to the skin when hunting. i have used it twice to hide from the wind as well (less than 10 degrees and over 20 mph wind). other than that, shelters do not have much use in my arsenal. basicly, it is a way to keep hunting, when it would be to miserable to hunt otherwise.

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from wgiles wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

It's what all the people on the TV shows do. It's a shame that most of the outdoor programs on TV are about selling and not about teaching.

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from onthegroundoutdoors wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

blind hunting for turkeys.......just another tactic in my deep bag of tricks. Is this method my favorite, not really, in fact i did kill one bird from a blind this season....and another bird later while looking at the blind across a field....sittin on the ground "properly". We do a good bit of filming and blinds make this a much easier situation to handle.

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Phil, About that miss. Was your shotgun tricked out with a scope at the time? Just curious.

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from Zermoid wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Some of the State Game commissions don't help matters either. Run-n-gun is illegal in PA for Turkeys. You must hunt from a stationary calling location. No stalking of turkeys or turkey sounds, warden catches you and you better have a good reason to be walking thru the woods in Spring Turkey!

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from tom warner wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Gritz: I LOVE calls of every kind and I assure that they are not gimmicks! I have called many Deer, Moose, Waterfowl, Ruffed Grouse (believe it or not) Squirrels, and countless gobblers. I have also seen other folks call Quail and indians call jungle fowl in So. America. Just fantastic stuff! Must be seen to be believed. I saw a guy call quail right into the cab of a pick-up truck one day in Texas. You just have commit yourself to calling and try not to feel like a idiot. You will never be sorry,I promise. I have sometimes wondered if there was anything that could not be called if one just knew how.

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from buck hunter wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

April 10-11 was the youth hunt here in Wisconsin. My dad, brother, and I went out the first day and decided to run and gun (like always). With one miss throughout the hole day and two close calls, we ended the day. The next morning we were walking the field edge listening for gobbles. We got a response and the bird immediately flew down. The only thing we had to hide behind was......A 10 foot grove of pricker bushes. We dove into it and it ended up we would get a double at the same time that morning. I've shot many turkeys with my bow and gun, and would say you don't need a blind for hunting turkeys at all. A gillie suit works good though. The next day at school my friend asked me if i got anything. I told him that we had two birds down and he said in shock: WHAT. He then told me that he sat in a blind all day for both days and never saw a turkey.

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from Paul Wilke wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Just finished my fourth attempt this Spring. No turkey, saw five hens at different ties, but at no time was I free to pursue the issue. No blinds just a tree and some brush a decoy and a call twice a day for five days. High winds riped my tent and rain soaked me twice. Ticks played a big part in my outing (counted 35 in one four hour period), and came down with the big red rash that indicates Lyme deseas.
I've picked out a new tent, fumigated all my clothes and gear to kill the ticks and finished a treatment to prevent Lyme disease.
All in all I had a great time. Looking to doing it again next year (maybe this Fall).
No blinds in my future, but more power to anyone who uses one. I have to much fun my way.
However if you can use the help, I'll pack in some of your gear and help you set up, I might learn something.

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from thomas j jerko wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

i agree with your comments of hunting turkey from a blind, but i have developed a slight problem in the spring ( april, may )allergies! to pollin and mold spore ! so hunting is not the best but it helps!and if i wear a particulate respirator ( ihave not found any in camo )it helps too. i would love to be able to run and gun but this condition makes it tough,and places like pennsylvania, west virginia, missouri, ohio, florida don't make it any easier.

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from berkshiredave wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

This story makes me wonder if.... the boys may have also been carrying a turkey that had just survived one such encounter.

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from JohnR wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

I think the use or non-use of blinds for turkey hunting has to do with the particular location one is hunting as has been stated by others in this blog.
My buddy's son shot a big gobbler through the mesh window of his blind. We asked him why he did that. He stated that the tom came from a direction he hadn't anticipated. He was afraid that tom would catch some movement if he tried to open the mesh window. So he shot him through the mesh window. We still get a good laugh from that.
I prefer to sit in the open because I too enjoy the woods and all the sights and smells.
I may be wrong but I opine historically, that all purpose hunting blinds (prefab and others) are an inevitable evolution of the duck blind. I do not know too many people who do not hunt ducks and other waterfowl without the use of a blind. It was simply a matter of time before someone's light bulb went off and thought "Hey, I could hunt deer (or whatever) from a blind."
I say like'em or not, they're not going away so we may as well get used to them and be thankful the people who use them are at least buying a hunting license and going hunting. After all we in general are supposed to be a dying breed.

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from Jere Smith wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

"Nothing in my title says I actually have to hit what I shoot at." LMAO!!!!!!!! I wish could get 60% of my birds,70 % of my deer, 80 % of my skeet birds but being 69 in Aug I guess that too much to hope for?

Kids hunting, 7-8 years old should be devoted to rabbits & Squirrels to teach marksmanship 8-11 practicing woodcraft.
12- up Deer & turkey IF they can be QUIET if not leave them at home till they can .

After that you should have a good hunting partner.

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from Beekeeper wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Amen Phil,

You have not lived as a turkey hunter until you have called a bird up to the toe of your boot.

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from fisherman wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

You have a point. I too enjoy sitting against a tree much more than I do hunting from a blind, but there are times when a blind is useful. Consider, for one, hunting in the rain. And another example is hunting a large field. If the turkeys come out from someplace you don't have permission to hunt, or are careful to keep away from field edges, a popup is the way to go. (I have seen people try to hunt from layouts for turkeys... Bad idea.)

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from dcloutier40 wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Hmmmm... I get upset when one hunter judges another with some elitist attitude. This guy should be happy two see two young people hunting period. Our numbers fall each year and your children's children will probably not be able to hunt due to access or it will be a shunned activity by society. The anti's are not defeating us its apathy and elitism. One example is the archery hunters disdain for the crossbow hunters. They use words like fair chase and traditional use to gain political and social favor all the while excluding other hunters. When in fact the compound bow is as fast, harder hittng, faster to reload 3-1 and more accurate at father distances. The archery elite just want there own seaon and don't want to share with other hunters. Crossbows will keep older hunters hunting and introduce many more to the sport growing our numbers. I love to flyfish but don't mind seeing others use a bobber and worm. I do not believe in flyfishing only waters. This is elitism like the archery crowd. This is an upperhand to the anti's as we the outdoorsman continue to divide and conquer ourselves.

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from RipperIII wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

this is only my second season of hunting anything, including turkey.
Last season I killed my first gobbler while sitting with my back against a mud bank...I did have out two decoys,...and a buddy called in the gobbler for me.
So this year I've been going it alone...no pop-up, sometimes a decoy sometimes not.
It is definitely more exciting to "cut out" a hide out and call in a bird,...any bird, hen, jake or gobbler.
Been taken to school twice this season by two different gobblers, one gobbled aggressively to my calls, closing to with in 20-30 yds but not showing himself,...called him back twice, then he went quiet...45 minutes later I stand up to move and he flys off, not 20 yds from me,...slipping up from behind me.
The gobbler I mistook for a jake.
It sure is fun hunkering down in the woods, watching all the critters move about, and pretty cool to have an adult Turkey hen walk up to with in 10 yds of you, look you up and down, then go about her business...that was cool.

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from kyka1865 wrote 2 years 2 weeks ago

I am jealous to hunt the birds the way all you who run and gun do. Unfortunately It is very difficult to hunt he birds over big open field with bad woodlines without a blind. I missed a bird opening day that snuck up on me at 25 yards, while it is thrilling in a way to have them close and personal, it is also disapointing because I have proven to myslef that my woodsmanship was good enough that day to lure bird within range, but not to finish the act. Our birds also tend to move pretty quiet so once they come down from the trees and make a little noise, they shut up tight for the most part, No gobbles, nothing. It doesn't really matter anyway cause you are not going to locate on in a 15 wide fence row or a 25 acre plowed soybean field. I am with the other guys at least we are out there, thats more than a lot of young men can say.

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from AJMcClure wrote 2 years 2 weeks ago

I just hate hunting them in turkey season, I see them all day on a deer stand.

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