


June 16, 2010
Review: Petzal on the Spartan Blades Horkos Combat/Utility Knife
By David E. Petzal
I was put on to this new company by my friend, ace knife designer Bill Harsey. Spartan Blades was formed by two retired Special Forces NCOs and specializes in tactical and survival cutlery. Since these guys are great admirers of the army of Sparta, they’ve given their five knife models the names of ancient Greek gods. The one shown here is called Horkos, after the demon protector of oaths and honor.
Like all of the Spartan designs Horkos is light, flat, and unbulky, the true product of soldiers who spent their careers humping 100-pound rucks. It’s forged from S30V steel and has canvas micarta handle slabs. Even though S30V is highly resistant to rust, the metal is coated, and you have a choice of flat black or dark earth. Horkos is of extremely high quality. Harsey himself does all the grinding, and he is one of the best. Blade length is just under 6 inches, and overall length just under 11.
The Kydex sheath is one of the best I’ve ever seen. It’s not only simple, but it fits the knife properly, which a lot of Kydex sheaths do not. All told, this is about as good a using heavy-duty knife as you will find, and you can learn out more about Horkos at spartanbladesusa.com.
****
My favorite Spartan story: An Athenian soldier was baiting a Spartan infantryman, and asked
“Why are you Spartans so arrogant? You’re buried all over the Greek peninsula.”
To which the Spartan replied: “Yes, but none of you are buried in Sparta.”
Comments (56)
Wonderful craftsmanship. A work of art that just happens to be a knife.
And it sells for the amazingly affordable price of 308 bucks. I'll take 3 of em.... not!!!!
Good story , Dave.
Same can be said of how many French, Germans, or Japs are burried in the U.S. (POWs excepted).
I'm not normally a fan of knives,...i own a few, but for the most part I look to them as tools.
This this thing looks cool, efficient,...if I had a few bucks, I'd definitely invest in one of these.
DEP, it would seem we have a great product here, designed and manufactured by a couple of Retired Army Sergeants.
I too admire the Spartans. Did you know they never had a monetary system? No bills, coin or barter system. If a Spartan saw something he wanted, he took it. That includes anything for the time being (women, food, wine and lodging) or something to get him from point A to B, horses.
Fitting that Spartan Blades would name each of their five models after a Greek God. Justice, at last..."tonight, we shall dine in H*ll!"
France? WTF are you talking about, WA Mtnhunter?
Think you've got your history a little scrambled there.
I don't think you can name me a war (not counting what amounted to a minor trade war in the 1790s) in which we ever fought against France. If it weren't for France we'd still be speaking the King's English. A lot of people - primarily Fox News viewers and Tea Baggers - seem to forget that little part of our nations's founding...
As for the knife, looks utterly useless to me, but damn, it'd sure look purty next to an AR, wouldn't it? How about a review of a nice custom hunting knife instead of the stuff of weekend SOF wet dreams?
I don't think I'd quite label the knife as useless. On the reputation of S30V steel and the man forming the edge, I'd say this knife has a good of a chance of being the most dutiful hunting knife money could buy. Sure it's a little more fit for our Brothers in Arms but my USMC Kabar has been one of the most useful hunting knives I've used. If $300+ wasn't far beyond what I'll pay for a knife, I'd sure put this knife to good use.
Looks fine to me :P. If I ever manage to get into long range running shape, and am able to do 15 chinups in a row, that will be my knife of choice when I finally do Officer's Training lol.
American soldiers are buried in Canadian soil. (the Unpleasantness of 1812).
That Spartan soldier had laconic humour. Militaristic societies (see Korea, North and USSR) usually get their economics wrong. Sparta was no different. Having the Helots, the majority of Sparta's population, as State Slaves was pretty handy to wage war abroad but it undid them in the end.
I like the knives. The price seems about right for this type of goods.
YUK YUK
If it aint physics ,. its somthin else .
Pretty ,. but frivilous (sp?)
Dave,
Thank you very much for the kind words about Spartan Blades. Between the two owners of this knife company they have just over 40 years service as US Army Special Forces soldiers and are great guys.
One minor correction if I might be allowed, Spartan does the blade grinding on all their knives except the Spartan Harsey No.1, this is the knife I do with them and I do all the grinding on that one.
I also got to spend an afternoon shooting with them on Ft. Bragg a couple weeks ago, they look just like normal humans until a firearm is in their hands and they engage targets.
No time for that...
Oops... Wrong page for that previous post. Nice knife.
Nice to look at, but I'd still rather have my Ka-Bar any day. That's just me.
Took a trip to the web site, and I like the information they share about their products. Yes, they are not cheap by any means, but it seems a lot of handiwork goes into making them and worth the cost. They most certainly seem very loyal to veterans, and equally, those currently serving in any law enf, or military position. That's a good thing for sure.
Besides I don't mind 10% off if I do decide to buy.
I just love knives so I just looked in here again ,. with my nephew in mind.
But Hell ,.. I've been through hundreds ( yes hundreds) of animals from gutting to butchering totally.
And since 1985 not one head of transportable game has seen a butcher.
I still carry a small hatchet a k-bar fighting knife or buck 119 special plus a buck 110 folder and a swiss army knive.
Butchering is done with appropriate knives & tools.
They are pretty ( real pretty ) ,. but the kid will probabaly loose it which will cause me a significant pain in the A$$.
So I gotta pass
I don't feel like any Working Class Hero tirades today. That is one nice knife. More of a fighter than a GP blade (K-Bar), but how is that not a good thing for a soldier in the field?
The best Spartan story I ever heard concerned Philip of Macedon (Alexander the Great's father) when he was busy conquering Greece. He sent the Spartans a message that said something like, "If you do not lay down your arms and surrender now, I will march into Sparta. If I march into your country, I will burn your towns, kill your men, and take your women and children. If I march into Sparta, all these things will happen." The Spartans sent back an answer fairly quickly.
The Spartan answer was, "IF".
Blue Ox,
Knowing some military edged weapon history I would never speak against the United States Flag, Mom, Apple pie or the Kabar knife and not always in that order.
Question, What make of axe is in your avatar?
Creasote,
French....we have thousands buried over there.
Thought maybe you had dropped dead or something, but I guess that report was greatly exaggerated.
It's really pathetic in the Military, usually we get what we carry to do the job, not what we really need to accomplish it!
I wonder what discoveries you would find if you went back in time were Black Smiths and others mixed minerals and metals together, that art has been lost. Don't know what a company I delivered to, but they do take minerals and mix together that are so caustic, it eats a hole thru your hand before you even feel it and they wear moon suits handling the stuff. Think about hot hands, I'll bet it's been around for a long long time, just rediscovered!
Mr. Creosote,
Are you stupid or just plain dumb?
I bought another knife two weeks ago at a gun show. $40 switchblade by Boker and it is waaay more fun than your $308 art. Automat Kalashnikov 74.
I haven't been around for a while... can anyone direct me to the post about the Gulf of Mexico being on fire to try to burn off some of the crude that is about to destroy Florida, Alabama and Louisiana?
Can I blame it on the environmentalists for making us drill a million miles offshore or is it just a One World Order conspiracy by Obama to take over big oil? Hell if Bush is responsible for 911 I think it is only fair to blame this one on the current administration. Off topic out of bounds and out of control, I remain faithfully yours.
Jim in MO
Nah, he is just an alter ego of one of our regular trolls who pops in once in a blue moon to drool on his own chin!
LOL
What Mr. Creosote was saying was that there are French soldiers buried in the United States. They were the troops who came to help the Americans fight the English.
Louis XVI also sent muskets (cal .69) and was the source of most of the powder and shot that the Patriots used. Spain, being the ally of France during that war (which was actually a global war between France-Spain vs. England, with the American Revolution being a relatively minor conflict) also contributed powder, and it was the heroic frontiersmen who ferried the powder from New Orleans (then Spanish-held) to the Continental (American) Army, traveling for thousand of miles while dodging English patrols and spies. I read that from Dale Van Every's "A Company of Heroes", in case you need a source.
The continued support of the French royal family to the American Revolution (support given with self-serving motives no doubt, but support nonetheless), in spite of the fact that France itself was at war and was suffering economically, emptied the French treasury, and years later, caused widespread hunger and eventually led to the demise of the French royalty. You know, that thing called "French Revolution" where hungry, angry commoners rose up and overthrew the ruling class and Louis and Marie Antoinette lost their heads?
"unbulky" LOL
To Bill Harsey: Thanks for the intel. I stand corrected.
The other Spartan story. At the Battle of Thermopolae (sp?), Xerxes, King of the Persians, told Leonidas, leader of the 300 Spartans, that he would be raised above all other men in Greece if his men simply handed over their swords.
"Molon labe," said Leonidas. "Come and get them."
A good motto for these times.
Ok in all fairness, that is one impressive piece of steal, I'm sure it's one heck of a guttin knife, and if I had enough cash to buy one I would.....IF!!!
(I can just imagine sitting at the campfire making a marshmallow stick with a roman short sword... ERR I mean knife like that;)
The spartan saying I remember is : come back to sparta with your shields, or on them. But never surrender.
If I showed up in hunting camp with a knife that good, all my buddies would expect me to do all the knife work.
Clay, Southern Illinois University-Carbondale at one time had a Blacksmith on staff who would make tools and knives, etc. the old time way. I do not remember if he was with the Fine Arts department or with Technology. He was on a couple of History Channel programs. I wish I could remember his name.
Dave, thanks for the post.
It looks quite utilitarian and I don't doubt it is servicable. It has nice well defined grind lines but in other aspects it is kinda ugly. For upwards of 300 bucks I'd prefer Damascus steel and mammoth ivory handles.
WA Mtnhunter,
Nope, Creosote is right. You grouping France in with Germany and Japan suggests that we conquered them during some war. Hasn't happened. We have fought alongside them many more times than against them...
On the other hand Mr. Creosote, please do not refer to us as "Tea Baggers." Filthy-minded TV reporters hung that label on the Tea Party, and fell so deeply in love with their own joke (a joke you wouldn't have wanted to explain to your teenagers) that they missed the real story for about a year; that there is a movement going in America. And it may just save the country; we can't go on like we're going now.
Hey, Thos. Jefferson bought half the country from Napoleon. Hard to imagine what the USA would be if not for France.
Mr. Harsey: The axe is a Tuatahi, made in Masterton, New Zealand. The one in my avatar is a racing axe, with what I believe is a #2 chisel grind.
Blue Ox,
Tuatahi makes great racing axes.
My friend Melvin Lentz was here in the shop a couple months ago and he brought me up to date on some of the new axes they are making.
Viva la France!
Too bad we can't say that to the thousands buried over there defending our staunch allies. I apologize for my unintended grouping of the glorious French with our enemies during the Big One. I do know the difference, believe it or not.
Only a homosexual or wannabe refers to anything as "tea bagger" or "tea bagging".
Americans are buried here, there, and everywhere. I am proud of that.
I will keep my KBar,Buck 199,Benchmade,Swiss Champ,Voctorinox Tool ( Really functional Pliers on that one), dont have 308$ in all of those! ;)
Spartans? oh yes. The epitome of the Greek heavy Hoplite, the scariest of scouts, the most brutal of the Mediterranian warriors of his day. Actually, the Spartans women (women were free to do as they pleased, and were accorded great respect) told their husbands that charming anecdote about shields. If a man wasn't married, his mother told him. However, the Battle of Thermopylae is vastly misconstrued. They were assissted by thousands of Athenians and Thespians, but after Leonidas mas mortally wounded (when he gave Xerxes his famous answer), they stayed and fought with him to the last.
This is off topic and if I get no repsonce fine
I understand.
But please keep in mind for another subject .
But I just gotta ask
Lately Ive been shooting a rifle recently puctrhased .
Its a 30-06 .
Not having had an 06 for many moons I decided to shoot 200 rounds,. keep the brass ,. then get dies and reload fire formed cases.
I have always had good luck with most commercial brands and grades.
But this is budget rifle with budget scope which I have been feeding standard soft point ammunition
IE: Less than $20 a box,.
I have not had time to get to a 100 yard range but there is a fifty yd range pretty close,
So after leveling teh scope adjustung the trigger (thrice ) tighting down all the screws it has bees shooting 1/2" more or less at 50 yds.
Pretty sure the bigger groups are the shooters fault tho. Cause once in the morning when I was fresh and relaxed ,. it shot three groups, of three ( in a row ) well under 1/2 inch.One torn hole was what they were .
I did not expect that from rifle for which I payed less than $375, including scope rail and bases. So im tickeld pick.
But after 100 rounds with one brand ,. I tried the stuff in the green and yellow box,. and had two incedents of " she no go bang " in 30 rounds. That makes three in my lifetime .
The first one (in the 80's) cost me a nice deer standing 40 ft away.
Last week one was a dud and one fired on the second try.
So the qustion is
Anyone else getting thse results ?
Has not happened to me. And I always shoot Remington.
Has not happened to me either, although I have never had any luck with the accuracy of the green and yellow boxed cartridges so I do not use a lot of them.
With the skyrocketing prices of ammo though I may go back. Come to think of it I have shot tens of thousands of the bulk .22LR 550 packs (Golden Bullets?) and never really experience any difficulties. I do prefer Winchester Bulk packs as they seem to be more accurate out of my heavy barreled 10/22.
Moshie and Ralph ,. thank you !
Moshi,. I think is close to or on the gulf and Ralph is in Tenn so thats two entirely different markets.
No problems for you guys. Hmmmm ??
Truth is my mental standard for accuracy is now,.
and always will be 3 " +/- a hair or two at 200 yds.
I know the guns I have will do better that that and Im betting the recent purchase Marlin xl7 will too.
But not having shot at 100 or two hundred ( yet) have to wait till the ptoof is in.
I also know if I try for better I get cranky and hard to get along with. : ) So the 3inch cirlcle makes me all warma and fuzzy . ( to the exyent thats possoble :)
But now since I am one who pay sattention to signs.
Am I snake bit with the green and yellow?
Never had a winchester (cartridge of any kind) not fire. So maybe just stay with that ,..
Any away thanks again .
PS
Ralph
ya ive shot a truck load of Rem .22 over the years too and don't recall any bad ones ,.
Hmmm its a conundrum ; )
Was gonna go back at it ,. cut down smallish tree earlier.
Whacked it up and lugged it to the wood pile
Trimmed the biggest pussy willow on earth
was 15 ft up on ladder and whacked off a bad birtch.
More lugging to the wood pile.
.
(Yes stock brokers have chain saws,. I have two )
But the "H " with it Im tuckered .
Got thinkin about knives
I and many Americans carry big or relativley big fixed blade knives.I cary K bar fighter (7 inch blade)
or buck 119 special ( 6 inch blade ) ,. not both at one time ( either or ) plus a folder and a small hatchet ,Hatchet mostly for cooking / warming fire wood or to defend against horny female sasquatches .
What we cary as hunting kives in the U S compard to say Sweden Norway even Germany is laughable ,.
I mean its actuially funny with out intending to pi$$ people off. ( which is for sure not the intent today at least : )
But some time ,.if you have time,. go to YOUTUBE
Search hunting Moose in Norway or Sweden or Denmark.
Some of the clips will show the knives they use to gut and butcher
Its a world away from the pig stickere we cary and use .
Apparently they are minimalists or at worst utilitarian
and we are not : )
Oh well,.. I ,.. like big knives and I can not lie
But not big butts : )
Yohan
I have shot many, many boxes of Remington centerfire ammo and never once had on go "click", alway went bang! Some of the most accurate loads on my .308 and .30-06 were Big Green. I trust that green box ammo as much as anything else. Hornady....different story. Hornady and PMC have been horrible for reliability and accuracy for me. There are those who will disagree, as always.
Yohan, I grew up swimming in the Gulf, but live in Kansas now.
Wam thank you
and thanks agin Moshie & Ralph. for taking the time.
Off topic is off topic ,. no intent to derail the subject .
is was just on my mind.
Such as that is latlely,. : ) trying not to drive the bossy German to desperate measures :)
Wam your in what,. Wyoming or Montaana Washington ?
Either or,. that is for sure a different market from upper Midwest.
With Moishi swimming in Kansas now,..
still a fair poke from Ralph in Tenn.
Who knows maybe just a bad lot ??
In my Market Wichester NEVER goes on sale.
$18-$19 a box for standard caliber -06 ,. 308 ,. 30-30 are less and 45-70 's more like $30 +
I roll my own metric rounds cause the good stuff just aint cheap commercially.
Remmingtons do however ( go on sale) and get down to about $14 a box. (In the suburbs )
So the increase fron 14 to 19
being roughly 35%. No matter what amounts or for what as a monmey manager 35 % is worth paying attention too.
Thats not called being cheap,. its called being conscious and breathing : )
Only problem is,..
If I "gat da missfire" mit da remmingtons in da voods While trying to gat da distance between me and da amorous female sasquatch ,. you guys are gonna be hearing from me :)
Only had two close calls , one with a bear and one with big kitty ,..keep thinking
a missfire there would have been very not good
Have a good day Guys !!
Yohan
I am in Northwestern Washington.
WAM
Never been there ( my father too ka trip out there one and he would have stayed !!! yuk yuk
Except for te fact my mother wanted to comeback to family.
Frop what he and others have said its nothing short of GODS country .
Im also told the Norsk population out there is significant .
Must make life great for you HUGH?
To be aroud a bunch.,.. so kind and intelligent and STUBBORN !! : ) ?
From my section in the bleachers
They aint German but its a close second : )
Ralph,.
thinkin of you over weekend.
At one point if memeory serves you said you had ruger singles shot #1 ? ,. 7 x 57
Stating also inferior accuracy with green and yellow box, yet no ( hang ) or miss fires.
If the 7 x 57 is one revolution in 9 3/4 inches ,. heavier 160 gr may be the answer.
Had two over the years ,Both bolts both 1 in 9 3/4 twist
and both shot Ok ( pretty good ) with 140 gr ,.
But both shot significantly better with 160,.
Just a thought ~
Ya sure, you becha, there be lots of Norwegians. I think Nelson is the most common name in the phone book.
Seems I know more folks by that last name than any others except maybe Peterson or Petersen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poulsbo,_Washington
Wam
have frineds Petersen and Nielsen ,. both
have "en" as last letters ,.
Both are "Dane's" and get slightly cranky when I accuse em of being Norsk.
Truth is Sweden and Denmark still view Norway as the hey seed cousin ,.
But most Norwrgians couldn't care less,.
which only makes it worse YUK YUK
Have a good day !
Yohan yes I am using the No 1 Light Sporter 7mm Mauser. I still have a handful of Norma's. They drop deer where they stand. No kick at all hell of a cartridge, 150 grains. My Ruger shoots better all the time, and my eyes are going fast so the gun is probably better than I am now. Just turned 50... I would require a rest at anything over 100.
I just looked and Federal has a Power Shock bullet at 175 gr. and Sellier & Bellot has 173 and 158 grs. I believe I will give them all a try.
Today I will be fishing with my step-son though, no time for the rifle range or shopping for ammo. Besides our Bass Pro Shop is flooded............
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I don't think I'd quite label the knife as useless. On the reputation of S30V steel and the man forming the edge, I'd say this knife has a good of a chance of being the most dutiful hunting knife money could buy. Sure it's a little more fit for our Brothers in Arms but my USMC Kabar has been one of the most useful hunting knives I've used. If $300+ wasn't far beyond what I'll pay for a knife, I'd sure put this knife to good use.
I don't feel like any Working Class Hero tirades today. That is one nice knife. More of a fighter than a GP blade (K-Bar), but how is that not a good thing for a soldier in the field?
The best Spartan story I ever heard concerned Philip of Macedon (Alexander the Great's father) when he was busy conquering Greece. He sent the Spartans a message that said something like, "If you do not lay down your arms and surrender now, I will march into Sparta. If I march into your country, I will burn your towns, kill your men, and take your women and children. If I march into Sparta, all these things will happen." The Spartans sent back an answer fairly quickly.
The Spartan answer was, "IF".
To Bill Harsey: Thanks for the intel. I stand corrected.
The other Spartan story. At the Battle of Thermopolae (sp?), Xerxes, King of the Persians, told Leonidas, leader of the 300 Spartans, that he would be raised above all other men in Greece if his men simply handed over their swords.
"Molon labe," said Leonidas. "Come and get them."
A good motto for these times.
Americans are buried here, there, and everywhere. I am proud of that.
And it sells for the amazingly affordable price of 308 bucks. I'll take 3 of em.... not!!!!
France? WTF are you talking about, WA Mtnhunter?
Think you've got your history a little scrambled there.
I don't think you can name me a war (not counting what amounted to a minor trade war in the 1790s) in which we ever fought against France. If it weren't for France we'd still be speaking the King's English. A lot of people - primarily Fox News viewers and Tea Baggers - seem to forget that little part of our nations's founding...
As for the knife, looks utterly useless to me, but damn, it'd sure look purty next to an AR, wouldn't it? How about a review of a nice custom hunting knife instead of the stuff of weekend SOF wet dreams?
Dave,
Thank you very much for the kind words about Spartan Blades. Between the two owners of this knife company they have just over 40 years service as US Army Special Forces soldiers and are great guys.
One minor correction if I might be allowed, Spartan does the blade grinding on all their knives except the Spartan Harsey No.1, this is the knife I do with them and I do all the grinding on that one.
I also got to spend an afternoon shooting with them on Ft. Bragg a couple weeks ago, they look just like normal humans until a firearm is in their hands and they engage targets.
Oops... Wrong page for that previous post. Nice knife.
Took a trip to the web site, and I like the information they share about their products. Yes, they are not cheap by any means, but it seems a lot of handiwork goes into making them and worth the cost. They most certainly seem very loyal to veterans, and equally, those currently serving in any law enf, or military position. That's a good thing for sure.
Besides I don't mind 10% off if I do decide to buy.
Mr. Creosote,
Are you stupid or just plain dumb?
What Mr. Creosote was saying was that there are French soldiers buried in the United States. They were the troops who came to help the Americans fight the English.
Louis XVI also sent muskets (cal .69) and was the source of most of the powder and shot that the Patriots used. Spain, being the ally of France during that war (which was actually a global war between France-Spain vs. England, with the American Revolution being a relatively minor conflict) also contributed powder, and it was the heroic frontiersmen who ferried the powder from New Orleans (then Spanish-held) to the Continental (American) Army, traveling for thousand of miles while dodging English patrols and spies. I read that from Dale Van Every's "A Company of Heroes", in case you need a source.
The continued support of the French royal family to the American Revolution (support given with self-serving motives no doubt, but support nonetheless), in spite of the fact that France itself was at war and was suffering economically, emptied the French treasury, and years later, caused widespread hunger and eventually led to the demise of the French royalty. You know, that thing called "French Revolution" where hungry, angry commoners rose up and overthrew the ruling class and Louis and Marie Antoinette lost their heads?
Wonderful craftsmanship. A work of art that just happens to be a knife.
I'm not normally a fan of knives,...i own a few, but for the most part I look to them as tools.
This this thing looks cool, efficient,...if I had a few bucks, I'd definitely invest in one of these.
DEP, it would seem we have a great product here, designed and manufactured by a couple of Retired Army Sergeants.
I too admire the Spartans. Did you know they never had a monetary system? No bills, coin or barter system. If a Spartan saw something he wanted, he took it. That includes anything for the time being (women, food, wine and lodging) or something to get him from point A to B, horses.
Fitting that Spartan Blades would name each of their five models after a Greek God. Justice, at last..."tonight, we shall dine in H*ll!"
Looks fine to me :P. If I ever manage to get into long range running shape, and am able to do 15 chinups in a row, that will be my knife of choice when I finally do Officer's Training lol.
American soldiers are buried in Canadian soil. (the Unpleasantness of 1812).
That Spartan soldier had laconic humour. Militaristic societies (see Korea, North and USSR) usually get their economics wrong. Sparta was no different. Having the Helots, the majority of Sparta's population, as State Slaves was pretty handy to wage war abroad but it undid them in the end.
I like the knives. The price seems about right for this type of goods.
No time for that...
Nice to look at, but I'd still rather have my Ka-Bar any day. That's just me.
Blue Ox,
Knowing some military edged weapon history I would never speak against the United States Flag, Mom, Apple pie or the Kabar knife and not always in that order.
Question, What make of axe is in your avatar?
I bought another knife two weeks ago at a gun show. $40 switchblade by Boker and it is waaay more fun than your $308 art. Automat Kalashnikov 74.
I haven't been around for a while... can anyone direct me to the post about the Gulf of Mexico being on fire to try to burn off some of the crude that is about to destroy Florida, Alabama and Louisiana?
Can I blame it on the environmentalists for making us drill a million miles offshore or is it just a One World Order conspiracy by Obama to take over big oil? Hell if Bush is responsible for 911 I think it is only fair to blame this one on the current administration. Off topic out of bounds and out of control, I remain faithfully yours.
Jim in MO
Nah, he is just an alter ego of one of our regular trolls who pops in once in a blue moon to drool on his own chin!
LOL
Ok in all fairness, that is one impressive piece of steal, I'm sure it's one heck of a guttin knife, and if I had enough cash to buy one I would.....IF!!!
(I can just imagine sitting at the campfire making a marshmallow stick with a roman short sword... ERR I mean knife like that;)
The spartan saying I remember is : come back to sparta with your shields, or on them. But never surrender.
On the other hand Mr. Creosote, please do not refer to us as "Tea Baggers." Filthy-minded TV reporters hung that label on the Tea Party, and fell so deeply in love with their own joke (a joke you wouldn't have wanted to explain to your teenagers) that they missed the real story for about a year; that there is a movement going in America. And it may just save the country; we can't go on like we're going now.
Hey, Thos. Jefferson bought half the country from Napoleon. Hard to imagine what the USA would be if not for France.
Viva la France!
Too bad we can't say that to the thousands buried over there defending our staunch allies. I apologize for my unintended grouping of the glorious French with our enemies during the Big One. I do know the difference, believe it or not.
Only a homosexual or wannabe refers to anything as "tea bagger" or "tea bagging".
Good story , Dave.
Same can be said of how many French, Germans, or Japs are burried in the U.S. (POWs excepted).
I just love knives so I just looked in here again ,. with my nephew in mind.
But Hell ,.. I've been through hundreds ( yes hundreds) of animals from gutting to butchering totally.
And since 1985 not one head of transportable game has seen a butcher.
I still carry a small hatchet a k-bar fighting knife or buck 119 special plus a buck 110 folder and a swiss army knive.
Butchering is done with appropriate knives & tools.
They are pretty ( real pretty ) ,. but the kid will probabaly loose it which will cause me a significant pain in the A$$.
So I gotta pass
Creasote,
French....we have thousands buried over there.
Thought maybe you had dropped dead or something, but I guess that report was greatly exaggerated.
It's really pathetic in the Military, usually we get what we carry to do the job, not what we really need to accomplish it!
I wonder what discoveries you would find if you went back in time were Black Smiths and others mixed minerals and metals together, that art has been lost. Don't know what a company I delivered to, but they do take minerals and mix together that are so caustic, it eats a hole thru your hand before you even feel it and they wear moon suits handling the stuff. Think about hot hands, I'll bet it's been around for a long long time, just rediscovered!
"unbulky" LOL
If I showed up in hunting camp with a knife that good, all my buddies would expect me to do all the knife work.
Clay, Southern Illinois University-Carbondale at one time had a Blacksmith on staff who would make tools and knives, etc. the old time way. I do not remember if he was with the Fine Arts department or with Technology. He was on a couple of History Channel programs. I wish I could remember his name.
Dave, thanks for the post.
It looks quite utilitarian and I don't doubt it is servicable. It has nice well defined grind lines but in other aspects it is kinda ugly. For upwards of 300 bucks I'd prefer Damascus steel and mammoth ivory handles.
WA Mtnhunter,
Nope, Creosote is right. You grouping France in with Germany and Japan suggests that we conquered them during some war. Hasn't happened. We have fought alongside them many more times than against them...
Mr. Harsey: The axe is a Tuatahi, made in Masterton, New Zealand. The one in my avatar is a racing axe, with what I believe is a #2 chisel grind.
Blue Ox,
Tuatahi makes great racing axes.
My friend Melvin Lentz was here in the shop a couple months ago and he brought me up to date on some of the new axes they are making.
Spartans? oh yes. The epitome of the Greek heavy Hoplite, the scariest of scouts, the most brutal of the Mediterranian warriors of his day. Actually, the Spartans women (women were free to do as they pleased, and were accorded great respect) told their husbands that charming anecdote about shields. If a man wasn't married, his mother told him. However, the Battle of Thermopylae is vastly misconstrued. They were assissted by thousands of Athenians and Thespians, but after Leonidas mas mortally wounded (when he gave Xerxes his famous answer), they stayed and fought with him to the last.
Has not happened to me either, although I have never had any luck with the accuracy of the green and yellow boxed cartridges so I do not use a lot of them.
With the skyrocketing prices of ammo though I may go back. Come to think of it I have shot tens of thousands of the bulk .22LR 550 packs (Golden Bullets?) and never really experience any difficulties. I do prefer Winchester Bulk packs as they seem to be more accurate out of my heavy barreled 10/22.
Yohan
I have shot many, many boxes of Remington centerfire ammo and never once had on go "click", alway went bang! Some of the most accurate loads on my .308 and .30-06 were Big Green. I trust that green box ammo as much as anything else. Hornady....different story. Hornady and PMC have been horrible for reliability and accuracy for me. There are those who will disagree, as always.
Yohan, I grew up swimming in the Gulf, but live in Kansas now.
YUK YUK
If it aint physics ,. its somthin else .
Pretty ,. but frivilous (sp?)
I will keep my KBar,Buck 199,Benchmade,Swiss Champ,Voctorinox Tool ( Really functional Pliers on that one), dont have 308$ in all of those! ;)
This is off topic and if I get no repsonce fine
I understand.
But please keep in mind for another subject .
But I just gotta ask
Lately Ive been shooting a rifle recently puctrhased .
Its a 30-06 .
Not having had an 06 for many moons I decided to shoot 200 rounds,. keep the brass ,. then get dies and reload fire formed cases.
I have always had good luck with most commercial brands and grades.
But this is budget rifle with budget scope which I have been feeding standard soft point ammunition
IE: Less than $20 a box,.
I have not had time to get to a 100 yard range but there is a fifty yd range pretty close,
So after leveling teh scope adjustung the trigger (thrice ) tighting down all the screws it has bees shooting 1/2" more or less at 50 yds.
Pretty sure the bigger groups are the shooters fault tho. Cause once in the morning when I was fresh and relaxed ,. it shot three groups, of three ( in a row ) well under 1/2 inch.One torn hole was what they were .
I did not expect that from rifle for which I payed less than $375, including scope rail and bases. So im tickeld pick.
But after 100 rounds with one brand ,. I tried the stuff in the green and yellow box,. and had two incedents of " she no go bang " in 30 rounds. That makes three in my lifetime .
The first one (in the 80's) cost me a nice deer standing 40 ft away.
Last week one was a dud and one fired on the second try.
So the qustion is
Anyone else getting thse results ?
Has not happened to me. And I always shoot Remington.
Moshie and Ralph ,. thank you !
Moshi,. I think is close to or on the gulf and Ralph is in Tenn so thats two entirely different markets.
No problems for you guys. Hmmmm ??
Truth is my mental standard for accuracy is now,.
and always will be 3 " +/- a hair or two at 200 yds.
I know the guns I have will do better that that and Im betting the recent purchase Marlin xl7 will too.
But not having shot at 100 or two hundred ( yet) have to wait till the ptoof is in.
I also know if I try for better I get cranky and hard to get along with. : ) So the 3inch cirlcle makes me all warma and fuzzy . ( to the exyent thats possoble :)
But now since I am one who pay sattention to signs.
Am I snake bit with the green and yellow?
Never had a winchester (cartridge of any kind) not fire. So maybe just stay with that ,..
Any away thanks again .
PS
Ralph
ya ive shot a truck load of Rem .22 over the years too and don't recall any bad ones ,.
Hmmm its a conundrum ; )
Was gonna go back at it ,. cut down smallish tree earlier.
Whacked it up and lugged it to the wood pile
Trimmed the biggest pussy willow on earth
was 15 ft up on ladder and whacked off a bad birtch.
More lugging to the wood pile.
.
(Yes stock brokers have chain saws,. I have two )
But the "H " with it Im tuckered .
Got thinkin about knives
I and many Americans carry big or relativley big fixed blade knives.I cary K bar fighter (7 inch blade)
or buck 119 special ( 6 inch blade ) ,. not both at one time ( either or ) plus a folder and a small hatchet ,Hatchet mostly for cooking / warming fire wood or to defend against horny female sasquatches .
What we cary as hunting kives in the U S compard to say Sweden Norway even Germany is laughable ,.
I mean its actuially funny with out intending to pi$$ people off. ( which is for sure not the intent today at least : )
But some time ,.if you have time,. go to YOUTUBE
Search hunting Moose in Norway or Sweden or Denmark.
Some of the clips will show the knives they use to gut and butcher
Its a world away from the pig stickere we cary and use .
Apparently they are minimalists or at worst utilitarian
and we are not : )
Oh well,.. I ,.. like big knives and I can not lie
But not big butts : )
Yohan
I am in Northwestern Washington.
Ralph,.
thinkin of you over weekend.
At one point if memeory serves you said you had ruger singles shot #1 ? ,. 7 x 57
Stating also inferior accuracy with green and yellow box, yet no ( hang ) or miss fires.
If the 7 x 57 is one revolution in 9 3/4 inches ,. heavier 160 gr may be the answer.
Had two over the years ,Both bolts both 1 in 9 3/4 twist
and both shot Ok ( pretty good ) with 140 gr ,.
But both shot significantly better with 160,.
Just a thought ~
Ya sure, you becha, there be lots of Norwegians. I think Nelson is the most common name in the phone book.
Seems I know more folks by that last name than any others except maybe Peterson or Petersen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poulsbo,_Washington
Yohan yes I am using the No 1 Light Sporter 7mm Mauser. I still have a handful of Norma's. They drop deer where they stand. No kick at all hell of a cartridge, 150 grains. My Ruger shoots better all the time, and my eyes are going fast so the gun is probably better than I am now. Just turned 50... I would require a rest at anything over 100.
I just looked and Federal has a Power Shock bullet at 175 gr. and Sellier & Bellot has 173 and 158 grs. I believe I will give them all a try.
Today I will be fishing with my step-son though, no time for the rifle range or shopping for ammo. Besides our Bass Pro Shop is flooded............
Wam thank you
and thanks agin Moshie & Ralph. for taking the time.
Off topic is off topic ,. no intent to derail the subject .
is was just on my mind.
Such as that is latlely,. : ) trying not to drive the bossy German to desperate measures :)
Wam your in what,. Wyoming or Montaana Washington ?
Either or,. that is for sure a different market from upper Midwest.
With Moishi swimming in Kansas now,..
still a fair poke from Ralph in Tenn.
Who knows maybe just a bad lot ??
In my Market Wichester NEVER goes on sale.
$18-$19 a box for standard caliber -06 ,. 308 ,. 30-30 are less and 45-70 's more like $30 +
I roll my own metric rounds cause the good stuff just aint cheap commercially.
Remmingtons do however ( go on sale) and get down to about $14 a box. (In the suburbs )
So the increase fron 14 to 19
being roughly 35%. No matter what amounts or for what as a monmey manager 35 % is worth paying attention too.
Thats not called being cheap,. its called being conscious and breathing : )
Only problem is,..
If I "gat da missfire" mit da remmingtons in da voods While trying to gat da distance between me and da amorous female sasquatch ,. you guys are gonna be hearing from me :)
Only had two close calls , one with a bear and one with big kitty ,..keep thinking
a missfire there would have been very not good
Have a good day Guys !!
WAM
Never been there ( my father too ka trip out there one and he would have stayed !!! yuk yuk
Except for te fact my mother wanted to comeback to family.
Frop what he and others have said its nothing short of GODS country .
Im also told the Norsk population out there is significant .
Must make life great for you HUGH?
To be aroud a bunch.,.. so kind and intelligent and STUBBORN !! : ) ?
From my section in the bleachers
They aint German but its a close second : )
Wam
have frineds Petersen and Nielsen ,. both
have "en" as last letters ,.
Both are "Dane's" and get slightly cranky when I accuse em of being Norsk.
Truth is Sweden and Denmark still view Norway as the hey seed cousin ,.
But most Norwrgians couldn't care less,.
which only makes it worse YUK YUK
Have a good day !
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