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October 08, 2010

Petzal Reviews "The Gun"

By David E. Petzal

The Gun is the history of the automatic Kalashnikov, AK-47, and its descendants, the AKM, and AK-74, plus a great deal else. But before we talk about the book, let’s establish the credentials of its author. C. J. Chivers is a senior writer for The New York Times and its former Moscow bureau chief. From 1988 to 1994 he was an infantry officer in the U.S. Marine Corps. He is a veteran of the Gulf War and has spent years in Afghanistan as a reporter. He is the winner of a Pulitzer Prize and a National Magazine Award. Above all, he knows incoming from outgoing.

Chivers’ approach is unique. His book is not only the history of the AK, but of automatic fire and its impact on how wars are fought. He begins with the Civil War and the Gatling gun, progresses through World War I and the industrial slaughter caused by the first true machine gun, the Maxim, through World War II and the Sturmgewehr, and finally to Senior Sergeant Mikhail Timofeyovich Kalashnikov and his history-changing invention. Along the way we are given the full history of how the AK’s rival, the M-16, was developed, procured, and introduced, one of the major disgraces in the history of American military small arms.

I’ve been reading firearms history since the 1950s and military history since the 1960s, and I have not seen anything to equal The Gun. In originality, in depth of research, in vividness of writing, in insight, Chris Chivers’ book stands alone.

481 pps., published by Simon & Schuster, $28.00 or whatever they’re asking on Amazon.

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from MJC wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Perhaps we should ship a copy to the Pentagon to get them to consider adopting a rifle that doesn't jam as soon as a grain of sand becomes lodged anywhere in its interior.

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from Dcast wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Petzal, I think you screwed up! How can he be pro-gun and exmilitary and be a writer for The New York Times? Just doesn't seem possible.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Food for thought, while working the Amtrak derailment near Palo Vere Arizona back in October 95 I was talking to a FBI Agent about the illegal firearms being smuggled into the US from Mexico. Interesting to find out, the fully automatic AK47's being smuggled in were practically all Kalashnikov's, GO FIGURE!

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from Steve in Virginia wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Perhaps I'll better understand this by reading the book, but how much of the AK-47 represented original thinking on the part of Kalashnikov vs. a refinement of the German weapon it closely resembles? Perhaps a little of both?

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from sgaredneck wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Dave,
Sounds like a good read. Is the Times bringing on less-liberal writers now?

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

It make a veery distinctive sound when you are being a target! ;)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Remember the film clip with Clint Eastwood on Heartbreak Ridge with the AK47

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from Mike Plotner wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

idd like to get that book. been reading bout millitary history scince i chould read and then idd look at the pictureas or have mom or dad read it to me then came guns that good how you can combine the two idd like to read that book

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from schwensen wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

To Steve in VA:

Just like the M16 is a repackaged amalgum of previous automatic designs (direct gas = MAS, bolt = Johnson Rifle, packaging = FAL, etc.), so it is with the AK: Bolt = M1 Garand; safety and rotating bolt-in-carrier = Remington 8; general layout = German STG44.

Neither the M16 or AK are copies of anything that came before. The genius of both designers was to take separate ideas that worked before, add them together, refine it and repackage for their purposes. Almost all true innovations are thus.

Shawn

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

schwensen

I was waiting for that and a +1!

So many weapon systems in the research and development phase, instead scraping it and restarting with what is known to work, they just keep throwing money at it!

Perhaps the Times is wising up after losing money on on false stories

“Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have.”
-Richard Salant, former President of CBS News

That is why FOX News is and will remain #1!

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from wgp wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

I have never had a great desire to own an AK but its status as such an iconic firearm may change that if I see the right one. Sometimes it justs seems like, if you really like shooting, you ought to have at least one 1911, one .30-06 (an M1?), one 870, one Peacemaker and now maybe an AK.

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from quinnm107 wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

I have a Saiga AK, I love it. I did my time in the Army, and then an extra year after being called back. The M-16/M-4 are great for range and controlled environments, but out in the elements they suck. I was stationed at Al Asad Airbase in Al Anbar Province Iraq, and we had a sandstrom every week lasting from several hours to a couple of days. The M-16/M-4 would fill up and need to be cleaned out after every storm; the AK would not need to be cleaned. The AK is designed to fire even if it gets dirty on the inside [carbon, sand, mud, etc]. At current designs of the M-16/M-4's I will not buy/own one, I'll take an AK any day. REF: Clay's comment "fully automatic AK47's being smuggled in were practically all Kalashnikov's", the "K" in AK stands for Kalashnikov so all AK's are Kalashnikovs [Kalashnikov Automatic Rifle, 1947 Model (Russian: Автомат Калашникова 47)], are meaning the AK's are of Russian origin? [since AK's are made in several eastern European countries and China]

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from Walt Smith wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

The AK-47 and its variants are the most underated weapons out there. The design is brilliant, its function almost flawless, its cartridge the 7.62X39mm is massive compared to the .223, makes you wonder how more GI's didn't die in Viet Nam. My favorite AK variant? without a doubt, the Dragonov. Same basic action only longer for the 7.62X54mm. Seem like someone would do this to the AR-15, lengthen the action to allow for the 30-06 or the 300 WM. I have shot the AK actioned .410 and 20guage shot guns ,also very nice!

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from shane wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

So predictable. Mention the Times and some dude will cry about it. Get your head out of your butt. The Times is the biggest baddest paper out there, whether you like its leanings or not. Top of the heap writers get hired there despite their political stance or lack thereof. Why does everything have to become a political witch hunt for some people?

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from shane wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Anyways...

I've always had an aversion to Russian guns, especially the AK. I like things that shoot straight. I tended to look down on people that had AKs, to me it said something about them, not a good something. Maybe I'm not so judgemental now, this book sounds good.

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from lookenc wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Why would this Zorbabam1 Write a comment in a foreign language.?
Why would F&S bother to print it ?
lookenc..............

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from countitandone wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

DEP ~ @ 481 pages, some of them had better have photos! I may not invest in this one. I have already read the definitive bio of Mr. K and know the weapon. I don't need a book about the weapon that has been sold to every radical Muslim extremist group or army, every military junta uprising, every P.L.O. madman, every commie nation or insurgent group who has shot at me and my brothers in arms. Some are only faces now, without names, taken not 2m from me at the age of 19.

Thank you DEP but I may not invest in this one.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

If you start popping caps out of an AK or SKS variant, better make sure some of us old farts are not in the AO or you will likely have incoming in a hurry. I hate those damned things.

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from quinnm107 wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Shane,
The new AK's are zeroable, I have a Saiga brand, and it has and adjustable front sight [up/down and left right] and an adjustable rear sight [up/down]. The new AK's are made even better than the old ones. The Saigas go for about $350 to $520 [multiple calibers, including shotgun rounds]. Out of the box mine came almost fully zeroed, I have not adjusted for proper zero yet though.

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from rock rat wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Thanks, I'll check at the library and if they don't have it I'll ask to get it put on their list to purchase. I spend time once in a while where the various AKs are the only firearm at all, even the police don't have pistols. There are a lot of guns I'd like to buy first, and AKs sold here aren't automatic anyway, none the less it's an iconic rifle. Besides, I like good writing by people who understand their subject.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

News at 10 on CNN, AK shooters vehicle gets riddled by gun fire from Vietnam Veterans deer hunting nearby!

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from Longbeard wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Hey, if Petzal likes it, that's a pretty strong rec! It doesn't matter what you think about the AK's accuracy or the politics of most of its users, Kalishnikov served his country with a design that fit its military philosophy and tactics, and the Russian manufacturing capabilities so well that he became a national hero just for that. The design worked so well that the AK became the most prevalent gun in the world. I don't like communism or any of the other "-isms" followed by most of the AK users, but you have to recognize genius when you find it. And that goes for the author, too. If he was a Marine infantry officer, that badge of honor alone is sufficient to earn my respect and a fair reading...it is a little strange for something reasonable to come from the Times family, though, isn't it? Glad to know there is one of us on the inside there.

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from countitandone wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Clay ~ Great to have you back in the fold...like your insight and irreverance!

But what's this crap about betraying Fox News for your intel by listening to CNN? Dude!

Or, did you just make up that story? Again.

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from countitandone wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

WAM ~ My sentiments bro'...exactly.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

SINCE THIS STARTED OUT AS BOOOK REVIEW ,. CAN ONLY SAY I KNOW OF CHIVERS (dont know him ,. know OF him ) ,.AND FROM WHAT I GET HE'S THE REAL DEAL,
SO IM GONNA BUY THE BOOK.

And to which ever genius that said
How can he work for the NY times be x military and pro gun.
Might I suggest that pulling your head out of your neather regions might help you breath and clear your head.

Just freaking amazes me
As Ive stated before here in.
Im a concervative liberal stock broker and dont give a flying "F " who know it.
Which in and of itself to some cracker like that is a najor anamoli ,. Put that together with the idea im x military I like guns still have 8 rifles and 6 shotguns which is down from total of about 20 .
Hunted my A$$ off for most of my life (a little bit on two OTHER contenents) and still cant get enough.

And I should be what??
A concevatve so far right I cant remember what my left hand is doing ,..SHIIIIIIAT !
People like that are the reason John "the Boner" Bohner ( sp ? ) and Glen Beck neither of which I would let hold my gum while I took a leal at aball game.
Are percieved as representing " THE PEOPLE "
The two being BS as condenced and concetrated as Ive ever seen it .

AS to the AK Moshie and wam ae rigfht ,.
they make a sound you NEVER forget when the get pointed in your direction,
IE: Go ther an do it before you pontificate .
And the AK wouldnt let the m-16 hold its gum either,.
if it could take a leak . at a ball game,. yuk yuk

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from kudukid wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

I have an AK .223 in my collection.
I guess it's very reliable but mine isn't any more accurate than my Winchester made M1 carbine which is faint praise. Perhaps that's the reason you see so many of the bad guys on the news pointing them in some general direction instead of actually taking aim.
Do any of the full-auto designs combine reliability with accuracy?

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from Del in KS wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Had a chi-com AK with folding stock while in 'Nam. Thought it was a POS then and have seen nothing to change my mind since. Why have that POS when you can have a nice bolt gun that is accurate, lighter and pleasing to the eye. Want a military rifle? get a Garand or M1A.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

PS,.. WAM I hate the damn things too ,..

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

countitandone

CNN is spin city and is the first to do so and besides, it rimes kinda like a jingle!

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

A gentleman I respect is a WWII veteran of the European theater, and his opinion of the M98 Mauser and its variants has always been shaded as "the enemy's rifle". He's had several Springfield 1903s and 1903A3s, and prefers a bolt action but would not have a military or sporterized Model 98. We share an appreciation for the FN Mauser Supreme and Husqvarna rifles, but any Nazi manufacturing codes of Waffenampt stamps will repulse him. I found his lack of objectivity strangely out of character; he's an intelligent and articulate man, and an interesting conversationalist, but I have a better understanding of his his reasoning when it comes to the AK and SKS rifles, because they will always be the enemy's rifle to me. I do not overlook their merits or features, and do not criticize those who purchase them, but I won't purchase or own one and I wouldn't accept one as a gift. Old enmities die hard, don't they?

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from Happy Myles wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Mr. Palumbo,

Indeed they do. Very Kindest Regards

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Mr. Myles,
My respect to you, sir. You write well, and you are one of the contributors whose comments I look forward to when I stumble into this forum.
Ed

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from LesserSon wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Innaccuracy...compared to...a manual bolt action?
Isn't the main intention with a full auto to put a lot of lead in the air at once? Great for busting up groups and plans, not sniping. You're asking each round to also put the next one in the chamber for you, quickly. With the extra heat and vibration, seems like expecting a lot to want consistant point of impact, too.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Yohan

I plus'd you up one, but alas, there were the others who are less tolerant of your criticism of Boehner 'n Beck. LOL!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Mr. Palumbo

I'm with you on the AK and SKS.

WAM

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from yohan wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

A little story :
Then I start sorting gear ,. early doe season in Wi.

A long time ago ,. ( 80's) I was deer hunting in central Wisonsin
Where I did at the time most of my deer hunting .
Trying to recollect what exact year things happen gets more difficult the harder I push 60 ,. and Lm pushing that pretty darn hard. (Months not years)

But I remeber that year it was 1984
I had some new leather boots that chopped my feet up pretty bad that year ,

Hunting on on public land I had it figured.
That if I got "back in" about 3/4 of mile EARLY
The rest of the orange army would push em right to me at dawm or a little after.
Provided the wind was right ,. other wise it was like a fire drill conducted by the
KeyStone cops or other ethnic backgrounds : )

I had of course a buck tag,. but that year a doe tag as well.
At 7 AM with hardly enough light to see to shoot ,.
No snow but frosty,. heard foot steps in the leaves , it was three does ,.and one was looking back.
I waited a minute and there he came, does were almost gone.. nice buck ( for centreal wi ) 6 point .
When I moved the gun up he stopped ,. the 8x57 spoke ,. and that was that ,. one doe confused by it all, ran in a tight circle ,.. stopped,.. and that was that for her.
So great !!,. two deer opening morning before 8 AM.

After a quiet monent in observance of the two lives taken,.
I began to think how good they would be on the grill. Both shots were at the base of the neck and they both had wings before thier shoulders touched the ground.

Then thinking there would be much abuse that night for pulling a double opening day.
And Now to get em out.

Tagged and dressed I decided to drag one then the other
in over lapping legs. A lot of work,. but in my mid thitys I could pull a small car out if i had to.
So to me just a matter of pacing and resting.

Some time later ,.( who knows and who cares at that point ) feeling good and making prety good progress ,.knew I wasnt too far from done.
I was just standing blowing plumes of steam into the air. Which for some reason always enternaines me,. yuk yuk
I was on a trail made by deer,. and used by hunters for many ,many years .
So the dragging wasnt too bad.
No snow,. but the leaves were pretty slippery

Then ,..movement (tensing) more movement ,..then a flash of orange . Hunters.
Having had the luxury ( sp? ) of being alone and bent to my task with no interuptions since I killed the deer.
This in the primitive part of my brain was initially percieved as an intrusion / threat of sorts.
THE HUNTERS IN THE CROWD ALL KNOW WHAT I MEAN

But then returning from my primitive self and focus of intently dragging meat back to the cave.
The idea that,.maybe it was some one from my bunch hit .
So my focus and thinking snapped back to a more civilized mind set.

But what I saw coming where three guys with a solders
gait ,. the more I looked the more thy looked like VC.
The closer they got the nore evedent is was that these guys who had spent a lot of time walking where there were no sidewalks. They got closer and I could see they were all 5 feet 6 inches or less weathered,. lean of face and body.

And they were speaking Vietnamise . didnt have to hear the exact words to know what it was.

The mind is a funny thing ,.. they all instanlty grew AK-47s and all of a sudden had three VC coming at me.

Then it got worse ,. they were three to my one,. three guns to one,.. im caught in the open and Im soon to be FUBARD.
Remmeber thinking (granade) ,. but reaching,. fumbling for one ,finding nothing ,.finally looking down to see where the hell they went,.
seeing orange . . brought me back.
They got closer and they swictehd to a broken Englsh ,.and they all had lever guns,.not AK's
and they waved hello . Talk about relief.

I can only imagine what my face looked like
But i doubt sincerly,. it was that of a Christmass carol singer warmed with the good cheer of rum spiked egg-nog..

Coming up to me the oldest spoke first,. saying good morning beautiful day yes ? He was smiling and his teath were brown,.. which tells some of you somehting.
( Remember thinking WTF is going on here am in a f g dreaming or what???)
He said you have good luck ?
Then he saw both deer and said yes,. you have very good luck.
The two others started to chatter in a mixture of English and Viet ,. they were pretty excited,.

Then the older one looked at me vsry hard ,. and said
you soldier ? ( thinkin I just gotta be flipping dreaming ) I nodded ,. he bowed slightly and said,..
I soldier ,. we brothers ,.
We help you ,.you very sweaty maybe tired ,. then looking again at me very hard ,. but with a little smile this time ,. said maybe not tired ,.but we help you.

Guiessing he was maybe late 40's then (hard for me to tell with those people) ,.. I tried to refuse .

But it was then evedent he was used to giving orders and having them followed right now.
.He said a few words to the other two that I didnt get and pointed to the deer.
Then he said smiling those brown teeth
" no steal we help" and they started dragging like death was behind then if they didnt.

Turned out I was only about 150 yds from the road which was screened by pines ,. so it wasnt long and we were there.
The older one was smiling,..(and did I say his teeth wee brown). The other two catching thier breath
He said you have good luck,. now we have good luck.

He motioned the younger two to head back into the woods
Said good luck again and turned to go ,..

When he had almost made the turn I said,. You VC ,.
He stopped dead in his tracks ,. turned and said ,..
no VC turned and walked into the woods without looking back . Cause he knew I was watching him go .
At about 40 yds I yelled ,.
OK,. NO VC ,.. he didnt look back but raised an arm that he heard.

I would bet the farm that guy WAS VC, back in his home land ,..But he was no VC here .
Never saw him or them again ,.

So Im pretty damn sure a VC officer and his sons
helped me get two deer out of the woods in central wi
in about 1984,.

I still have troube with it because at times
it all seems like a dream ,..
But I know it happended becuase I remeber thier smell ,. They smelled like the poeple of Vietnam.
Not a bad smell but differnt from Americans cuase they eat different things.
If not for the smell I would wounder ,. but its the same as the sound of an AK being fired in your direction ,
You never ( ever) forget it.

if i had ot geuss my mortal enimy in one
war was also a fellow hunter

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from yohan wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Hotter than H in upper mid west,.went to the wi game
fried my a$$,. and we had good seats ,.
90 degrees 35 miles south of the capital Madison Wi.

Wam
I just noticed this plus and minus thing ,.
Thnak you ofr plusiong me up but have to say
Dont reeeeally care.yuk yuk

Just another cadre in the shadows who won't come out and fight to defend thier position cause they can't
So snipe like a bunch of teenage girls,. Shiiiiiat ; )

Dugh ,. why did we bail out GM again ?
Cuase if we didnt there would be a million less
jobs than there are and then we would certianly be in world of hurt.

Work tomorow and tues then off the Badger state to chase does ( female deer :) for a couple days ,.
My friend the shrink asked when I was gonna get more deer meat,.. yuk yuk
None hunter that he is,. the guy will drive 40 miles for a venison roast done on a weber with apple wood .: )

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from jim in nc wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

DP:
Enticing review. Now how about a review of "The Tiger," which got a good review in today's NY Times?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Yohan

If they run they're VC and if the stand still they're well trained VC.

Didn't see too many VC up on the fence, all regulars.

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from O Garcia wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

If this site is to be believed, there was indeed a lot of copying involved, not only of the German StG/MP-44, but also among the Russian/Soviet designs.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as01-e.htm

The StG-44 uses a breechblock, while the AK uses a rotating bolt. The layout is so similar, though, that one cannot deny that the German weapon influenced not only the AK but also the designs of Kalashnikov's rivals.

All copying/imitating/inspiring aside, it should be noted that the first true, intermediate-power "assault rifle" was also of Russian design, the Fedorov Avtomat of 1918
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as86-e.htm

The Dragunov (SVD) uses a short-stroke piston system, just like most Western designs, while the Kalashnikov uses the long-stroke piston. The Kalashnikov was meant to cycle, no matter what, short of a severely bent/crushed receiver.

Call me an idiot, or anything you want, but I've always wondered what might have been had the Bolsheviks not prevailed in Russia in the 1920s. In WW1, America even agreed to supply Mosin-Nagant rifles to then Tsarist (pre-Communist) Russia, altho they apparently were never delivered as soon as it was clear that the monarchy would fall.

Peter The Great, the 6-foot-8 Romanov tsar so strong he could roll a silver plate like parchment, who pushed/kicked/shoved Russia into the modern world, and who disguised himself as a common worker so he could learn modern ways in European ships, docks and factories (although given his immense size, looks and regal bearing, he was impossible to disguise), could have been an American hero, some giant figure of the Old West, a man who thought out of the box, saw a far better world beyond his borders, set a high goal, then did everything within his power to reach that goal.

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from dale freeman wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Make no mistake, the Times will be looking closely at the sales of this book, and "THESE NEXT ELECTIONS".

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Years ago, semi auto's and full auto wasn’t known for its accuracy as a bolt gun due to propellants and gas operating systems. Got a news flash for’ya dar Shooter! If you’re still under that ol’wives tale, you better think again!! Technology has come a long way and M14’s and M1A's Super Match Grade truly gives even 300 Win Mag bolt guns a run for their money on the 1000 yard line! Just check out the scores at Quantico!

THIS HAS BEEN A NO "BS" MOMENT!

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from yohan wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

WAM

Ya got up to Hue good place to get hurt ,. but after tet,. not sorry I missd that party ,.

.Ya mostly regulars,..vc just what came to mind at the time,.
But it stopped him dead for a second ,. know dam well
he was officer ,.dosnt take long to figure when others of his tribe are around,
When he talked it was chop chop dee-dee on the task.
right now yuk yuk.
That was a guy who gave orders ,.not take em .

Im outta here tomoroow mornig.
Take care of some buisness close to Madison ( wi capital ) then head to western part of state for a couple days hunting ,.. waaay warm in midwest tho
Southern Wi was 80 degrees or close to day ,.
And thats another WTF ? yuk yuk

Keep yer thumb on it : )

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

The USofA needs a .275/7MM full auto that is manageable... send all proceeds to the Ralph Lake House Fund.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

countitadone,
as in 3 days ago. Well said.

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from O Garcia wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

Unfortunately, most alternative cartridges are still being built to fit within the confines of the M16 magazine (or at least its magazine well), which, as one expert wrote, is the weakest part of the M16. As a result, such rounds as .30 Rem. AR, .450 Bushmaster, .458 SOCOM, etc. are all limited to single-stack, reducing magazine capacity.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

Ya' Jim

Funny the only bravery countitandone knows is only bravado, that his strength is only a uniform, that his power is but a gun in the hands of a fool!

Have a nice day! LOL!

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from Bella wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

Yohan your story about meeting and being helped by possible former adversaries was beautiful, I enjoyed reading it.
I still want an M1 carbine someday, but I'm not interested in an AK or an SKS, I've fired the SKS, but it doesn't appeal to me, I'm a vet so I trained with the M-16, I was Air Force so I was never required to point it with intent. I don't really like the M-16 either, though I wouldn't mind having a Ruger Mini-14 as long as it has a nice walnut stock. My problems with most "assault rifles" is admittedly asthetic, the Russian arms were made to be mass produced as cheaply as possible. Both the SKS and the AK are great designs and work great at the ranges they are designed for, but they were intended to be cheap, so efforts to create "high end" AKs, however carefully constructed is kinda like creating a "high end" Lada Sedan. Yes you can put nice upholstery and tune the engine, put nice tires on it and paste on a lot of chrome, but it will still be a Lada! A product of communist design bureaus, lipstick on a pig.
Now I swapped for a "new to me" gun last week. I swapped my Traditions Deerslayer 50 cal caplock for a Thompson Center White Mountain Carbine 50 caliber caplock. Nothing even remotely resembling a SKS! But loose powder and home cast Mine' ball is more my speed. Any scenario actually requiring the capability and capacity of an AK or SKS I am sane enough to want to stay very far away from...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago
from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

hERE'S a hoot 4'ya!

Humorous Comparison of an AK47, an AR15 and a Mosin

http://www.mouseguns.com/compare.htm

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from Bella wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

Very nice stock art Clay, Done with a woodburning pencil?

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from O Garcia wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

Mosin-Nagant: ugly as hell, stiff and clunky, but as reliable as a rifle can get. Will digest rimmed cartridges without snagging. And without the "special loading sequence" that the Lee-Enfield requires.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

Bella

I call it "Laser Art"!

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O Garcia

Excellant pcase and point in what can you stuff into that already cramped magazine! Being an Match Grade M1A owner, if I was to build another one would be chambered in 260 Remington! I have more 308 & 7.62 NATO Brass than I need making it beautiful 243 or 260 Rem!

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from agostino wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

A combat weapon has one purpose, and the AK is better at it than the AR. It must be dependable under all circumstances and in all conditions. I know an Army scout who carried an AK out of preference in Iraq until he was furnished an M-14. The AR is relatively complex and a bit temperamental in mud, sand, etc. The AK follows the principal of the 1911-- it works.

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from James Bishop wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

Sounds like a good book, however I have heard the AK is not that accurate a firearm. As regards the m-16 I hate the the sight, & the fact that if it just looks at dirt it malfunctions. I prefer old school, the M-1 & M-2 carbines. As an AP I qualified on the night course From The Hip with my M-1. try that with a AK or m16. the M-1's have been found(in Nam) in mud & with just a swatch through the barrel fully functioned. as for Russian arms try the m.n.in 7.62X54r.

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from O Garcia wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

I also read somewhere that due to their buffer arrangement, most "inline" rifles, including (and especially) the M16, cannot be fired immediately after emerging from water. It is said only two current rifle systems, the M14 and the AK, can be used for this application. For those Navy SEAL types, this may be an important consideration.

I don't know if that's true, though.

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from pandora wrote 3 years 25 weeks ago

Pretty good post. I just stumbled upon your blog and wanted to say that I have really enjoyed reading your blog posts.

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

A gentleman I respect is a WWII veteran of the European theater, and his opinion of the M98 Mauser and its variants has always been shaded as "the enemy's rifle". He's had several Springfield 1903s and 1903A3s, and prefers a bolt action but would not have a military or sporterized Model 98. We share an appreciation for the FN Mauser Supreme and Husqvarna rifles, but any Nazi manufacturing codes of Waffenampt stamps will repulse him. I found his lack of objectivity strangely out of character; he's an intelligent and articulate man, and an interesting conversationalist, but I have a better understanding of his his reasoning when it comes to the AK and SKS rifles, because they will always be the enemy's rifle to me. I do not overlook their merits or features, and do not criticize those who purchase them, but I won't purchase or own one and I wouldn't accept one as a gift. Old enmities die hard, don't they?

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from yohan wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

A little story :
Then I start sorting gear ,. early doe season in Wi.

A long time ago ,. ( 80's) I was deer hunting in central Wisonsin
Where I did at the time most of my deer hunting .
Trying to recollect what exact year things happen gets more difficult the harder I push 60 ,. and Lm pushing that pretty darn hard. (Months not years)

But I remeber that year it was 1984
I had some new leather boots that chopped my feet up pretty bad that year ,

Hunting on on public land I had it figured.
That if I got "back in" about 3/4 of mile EARLY
The rest of the orange army would push em right to me at dawm or a little after.
Provided the wind was right ,. other wise it was like a fire drill conducted by the
KeyStone cops or other ethnic backgrounds : )

I had of course a buck tag,. but that year a doe tag as well.
At 7 AM with hardly enough light to see to shoot ,.
No snow but frosty,. heard foot steps in the leaves , it was three does ,.and one was looking back.
I waited a minute and there he came, does were almost gone.. nice buck ( for centreal wi ) 6 point .
When I moved the gun up he stopped ,. the 8x57 spoke ,. and that was that ,. one doe confused by it all, ran in a tight circle ,.. stopped,.. and that was that for her.
So great !!,. two deer opening morning before 8 AM.

After a quiet monent in observance of the two lives taken,.
I began to think how good they would be on the grill. Both shots were at the base of the neck and they both had wings before thier shoulders touched the ground.

Then thinking there would be much abuse that night for pulling a double opening day.
And Now to get em out.

Tagged and dressed I decided to drag one then the other
in over lapping legs. A lot of work,. but in my mid thitys I could pull a small car out if i had to.
So to me just a matter of pacing and resting.

Some time later ,.( who knows and who cares at that point ) feeling good and making prety good progress ,.knew I wasnt too far from done.
I was just standing blowing plumes of steam into the air. Which for some reason always enternaines me,. yuk yuk
I was on a trail made by deer,. and used by hunters for many ,many years .
So the dragging wasnt too bad.
No snow,. but the leaves were pretty slippery

Then ,..movement (tensing) more movement ,..then a flash of orange . Hunters.
Having had the luxury ( sp? ) of being alone and bent to my task with no interuptions since I killed the deer.
This in the primitive part of my brain was initially percieved as an intrusion / threat of sorts.
THE HUNTERS IN THE CROWD ALL KNOW WHAT I MEAN

But then returning from my primitive self and focus of intently dragging meat back to the cave.
The idea that,.maybe it was some one from my bunch hit .
So my focus and thinking snapped back to a more civilized mind set.

But what I saw coming where three guys with a solders
gait ,. the more I looked the more thy looked like VC.
The closer they got the nore evedent is was that these guys who had spent a lot of time walking where there were no sidewalks. They got closer and I could see they were all 5 feet 6 inches or less weathered,. lean of face and body.

And they were speaking Vietnamise . didnt have to hear the exact words to know what it was.

The mind is a funny thing ,.. they all instanlty grew AK-47s and all of a sudden had three VC coming at me.

Then it got worse ,. they were three to my one,. three guns to one,.. im caught in the open and Im soon to be FUBARD.
Remmeber thinking (granade) ,. but reaching,. fumbling for one ,finding nothing ,.finally looking down to see where the hell they went,.
seeing orange . . brought me back.
They got closer and they swictehd to a broken Englsh ,.and they all had lever guns,.not AK's
and they waved hello . Talk about relief.

I can only imagine what my face looked like
But i doubt sincerly,. it was that of a Christmass carol singer warmed with the good cheer of rum spiked egg-nog..

Coming up to me the oldest spoke first,. saying good morning beautiful day yes ? He was smiling and his teath were brown,.. which tells some of you somehting.
( Remember thinking WTF is going on here am in a f g dreaming or what???)
He said you have good luck ?
Then he saw both deer and said yes,. you have very good luck.
The two others started to chatter in a mixture of English and Viet ,. they were pretty excited,.

Then the older one looked at me vsry hard ,. and said
you soldier ? ( thinkin I just gotta be flipping dreaming ) I nodded ,. he bowed slightly and said,..
I soldier ,. we brothers ,.
We help you ,.you very sweaty maybe tired ,. then looking again at me very hard ,. but with a little smile this time ,. said maybe not tired ,.but we help you.

Guiessing he was maybe late 40's then (hard for me to tell with those people) ,.. I tried to refuse .

But it was then evedent he was used to giving orders and having them followed right now.
.He said a few words to the other two that I didnt get and pointed to the deer.
Then he said smiling those brown teeth
" no steal we help" and they started dragging like death was behind then if they didnt.

Turned out I was only about 150 yds from the road which was screened by pines ,. so it wasnt long and we were there.
The older one was smiling,..(and did I say his teeth wee brown). The other two catching thier breath
He said you have good luck,. now we have good luck.

He motioned the younger two to head back into the woods
Said good luck again and turned to go ,..

When he had almost made the turn I said,. You VC ,.
He stopped dead in his tracks ,. turned and said ,..
no VC turned and walked into the woods without looking back . Cause he knew I was watching him go .
At about 40 yds I yelled ,.
OK,. NO VC ,.. he didnt look back but raised an arm that he heard.

I would bet the farm that guy WAS VC, back in his home land ,..But he was no VC here .
Never saw him or them again ,.

So Im pretty damn sure a VC officer and his sons
helped me get two deer out of the woods in central wi
in about 1984,.

I still have troube with it because at times
it all seems like a dream ,..
But I know it happended becuase I remeber thier smell ,. They smelled like the poeple of Vietnam.
Not a bad smell but differnt from Americans cuase they eat different things.
If not for the smell I would wounder ,. but its the same as the sound of an AK being fired in your direction ,
You never ( ever) forget it.

if i had ot geuss my mortal enimy in one
war was also a fellow hunter

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from schwensen wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

To Steve in VA:

Just like the M16 is a repackaged amalgum of previous automatic designs (direct gas = MAS, bolt = Johnson Rifle, packaging = FAL, etc.), so it is with the AK: Bolt = M1 Garand; safety and rotating bolt-in-carrier = Remington 8; general layout = German STG44.

Neither the M16 or AK are copies of anything that came before. The genius of both designers was to take separate ideas that worked before, add them together, refine it and repackage for their purposes. Almost all true innovations are thus.

Shawn

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

If you start popping caps out of an AK or SKS variant, better make sure some of us old farts are not in the AO or you will likely have incoming in a hurry. I hate those damned things.

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from wgp wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

I have never had a great desire to own an AK but its status as such an iconic firearm may change that if I see the right one. Sometimes it justs seems like, if you really like shooting, you ought to have at least one 1911, one .30-06 (an M1?), one 870, one Peacemaker and now maybe an AK.

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from countitandone wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

DEP ~ @ 481 pages, some of them had better have photos! I may not invest in this one. I have already read the definitive bio of Mr. K and know the weapon. I don't need a book about the weapon that has been sold to every radical Muslim extremist group or army, every military junta uprising, every P.L.O. madman, every commie nation or insurgent group who has shot at me and my brothers in arms. Some are only faces now, without names, taken not 2m from me at the age of 19.

Thank you DEP but I may not invest in this one.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

countitandone

CNN is spin city and is the first to do so and besides, it rimes kinda like a jingle!

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from rock rat wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Thanks, I'll check at the library and if they don't have it I'll ask to get it put on their list to purchase. I spend time once in a while where the various AKs are the only firearm at all, even the police don't have pistols. There are a lot of guns I'd like to buy first, and AKs sold here aren't automatic anyway, none the less it's an iconic rifle. Besides, I like good writing by people who understand their subject.

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from Longbeard wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Hey, if Petzal likes it, that's a pretty strong rec! It doesn't matter what you think about the AK's accuracy or the politics of most of its users, Kalishnikov served his country with a design that fit its military philosophy and tactics, and the Russian manufacturing capabilities so well that he became a national hero just for that. The design worked so well that the AK became the most prevalent gun in the world. I don't like communism or any of the other "-isms" followed by most of the AK users, but you have to recognize genius when you find it. And that goes for the author, too. If he was a Marine infantry officer, that badge of honor alone is sufficient to earn my respect and a fair reading...it is a little strange for something reasonable to come from the Times family, though, isn't it? Glad to know there is one of us on the inside there.

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from Del in KS wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Had a chi-com AK with folding stock while in 'Nam. Thought it was a POS then and have seen nothing to change my mind since. Why have that POS when you can have a nice bolt gun that is accurate, lighter and pleasing to the eye. Want a military rifle? get a Garand or M1A.

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from Bella wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

Yohan your story about meeting and being helped by possible former adversaries was beautiful, I enjoyed reading it.
I still want an M1 carbine someday, but I'm not interested in an AK or an SKS, I've fired the SKS, but it doesn't appeal to me, I'm a vet so I trained with the M-16, I was Air Force so I was never required to point it with intent. I don't really like the M-16 either, though I wouldn't mind having a Ruger Mini-14 as long as it has a nice walnut stock. My problems with most "assault rifles" is admittedly asthetic, the Russian arms were made to be mass produced as cheaply as possible. Both the SKS and the AK are great designs and work great at the ranges they are designed for, but they were intended to be cheap, so efforts to create "high end" AKs, however carefully constructed is kinda like creating a "high end" Lada Sedan. Yes you can put nice upholstery and tune the engine, put nice tires on it and paste on a lot of chrome, but it will still be a Lada! A product of communist design bureaus, lipstick on a pig.
Now I swapped for a "new to me" gun last week. I swapped my Traditions Deerslayer 50 cal caplock for a Thompson Center White Mountain Carbine 50 caliber caplock. Nothing even remotely resembling a SKS! But loose powder and home cast Mine' ball is more my speed. Any scenario actually requiring the capability and capacity of an AK or SKS I am sane enough to want to stay very far away from...

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from Happy Myles wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Mr. Palumbo,

Indeed they do. Very Kindest Regards

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Mr. Myles,
My respect to you, sir. You write well, and you are one of the contributors whose comments I look forward to when I stumble into this forum.
Ed

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from kudukid wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

I have an AK .223 in my collection.
I guess it's very reliable but mine isn't any more accurate than my Winchester made M1 carbine which is faint praise. Perhaps that's the reason you see so many of the bad guys on the news pointing them in some general direction instead of actually taking aim.
Do any of the full-auto designs combine reliability with accuracy?

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from O Garcia wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

Unfortunately, most alternative cartridges are still being built to fit within the confines of the M16 magazine (or at least its magazine well), which, as one expert wrote, is the weakest part of the M16. As a result, such rounds as .30 Rem. AR, .450 Bushmaster, .458 SOCOM, etc. are all limited to single-stack, reducing magazine capacity.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

PS,.. WAM I hate the damn things too ,..

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

schwensen

I was waiting for that and a +1!

So many weapon systems in the research and development phase, instead scraping it and restarting with what is known to work, they just keep throwing money at it!

Perhaps the Times is wising up after losing money on on false stories

“Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have.”
-Richard Salant, former President of CBS News

That is why FOX News is and will remain #1!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

News at 10 on CNN, AK shooters vehicle gets riddled by gun fire from Vietnam Veterans deer hunting nearby!

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from Walt Smith wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

The AK-47 and its variants are the most underated weapons out there. The design is brilliant, its function almost flawless, its cartridge the 7.62X39mm is massive compared to the .223, makes you wonder how more GI's didn't die in Viet Nam. My favorite AK variant? without a doubt, the Dragonov. Same basic action only longer for the 7.62X54mm. Seem like someone would do this to the AR-15, lengthen the action to allow for the 30-06 or the 300 WM. I have shot the AK actioned .410 and 20guage shot guns ,also very nice!

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

The USofA needs a .275/7MM full auto that is manageable... send all proceeds to the Ralph Lake House Fund.

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from jim in nc wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

DP:
Enticing review. Now how about a review of "The Tiger," which got a good review in today's NY Times?

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from shane wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Anyways...

I've always had an aversion to Russian guns, especially the AK. I like things that shoot straight. I tended to look down on people that had AKs, to me it said something about them, not a good something. Maybe I'm not so judgemental now, this book sounds good.

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from LesserSon wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Innaccuracy...compared to...a manual bolt action?
Isn't the main intention with a full auto to put a lot of lead in the air at once? Great for busting up groups and plans, not sniping. You're asking each round to also put the next one in the chamber for you, quickly. With the extra heat and vibration, seems like expecting a lot to want consistant point of impact, too.

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from O Garcia wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

If this site is to be believed, there was indeed a lot of copying involved, not only of the German StG/MP-44, but also among the Russian/Soviet designs.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as01-e.htm

The StG-44 uses a breechblock, while the AK uses a rotating bolt. The layout is so similar, though, that one cannot deny that the German weapon influenced not only the AK but also the designs of Kalashnikov's rivals.

All copying/imitating/inspiring aside, it should be noted that the first true, intermediate-power "assault rifle" was also of Russian design, the Fedorov Avtomat of 1918
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as86-e.htm

The Dragunov (SVD) uses a short-stroke piston system, just like most Western designs, while the Kalashnikov uses the long-stroke piston. The Kalashnikov was meant to cycle, no matter what, short of a severely bent/crushed receiver.

Call me an idiot, or anything you want, but I've always wondered what might have been had the Bolsheviks not prevailed in Russia in the 1920s. In WW1, America even agreed to supply Mosin-Nagant rifles to then Tsarist (pre-Communist) Russia, altho they apparently were never delivered as soon as it was clear that the monarchy would fall.

Peter The Great, the 6-foot-8 Romanov tsar so strong he could roll a silver plate like parchment, who pushed/kicked/shoved Russia into the modern world, and who disguised himself as a common worker so he could learn modern ways in European ships, docks and factories (although given his immense size, looks and regal bearing, he was impossible to disguise), could have been an American hero, some giant figure of the Old West, a man who thought out of the box, saw a far better world beyond his borders, set a high goal, then did everything within his power to reach that goal.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

WAM

Ya got up to Hue good place to get hurt ,. but after tet,. not sorry I missd that party ,.

.Ya mostly regulars,..vc just what came to mind at the time,.
But it stopped him dead for a second ,. know dam well
he was officer ,.dosnt take long to figure when others of his tribe are around,
When he talked it was chop chop dee-dee on the task.
right now yuk yuk.
That was a guy who gave orders ,.not take em .

Im outta here tomoroow mornig.
Take care of some buisness close to Madison ( wi capital ) then head to western part of state for a couple days hunting ,.. waaay warm in midwest tho
Southern Wi was 80 degrees or close to day ,.
And thats another WTF ? yuk yuk

Keep yer thumb on it : )

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from MJC wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Perhaps we should ship a copy to the Pentagon to get them to consider adopting a rifle that doesn't jam as soon as a grain of sand becomes lodged anywhere in its interior.

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from quinnm107 wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

I have a Saiga AK, I love it. I did my time in the Army, and then an extra year after being called back. The M-16/M-4 are great for range and controlled environments, but out in the elements they suck. I was stationed at Al Asad Airbase in Al Anbar Province Iraq, and we had a sandstrom every week lasting from several hours to a couple of days. The M-16/M-4 would fill up and need to be cleaned out after every storm; the AK would not need to be cleaned. The AK is designed to fire even if it gets dirty on the inside [carbon, sand, mud, etc]. At current designs of the M-16/M-4's I will not buy/own one, I'll take an AK any day. REF: Clay's comment "fully automatic AK47's being smuggled in were practically all Kalashnikov's", the "K" in AK stands for Kalashnikov so all AK's are Kalashnikovs [Kalashnikov Automatic Rifle, 1947 Model (Russian: Автомат Калашникова 47)], are meaning the AK's are of Russian origin? [since AK's are made in several eastern European countries and China]

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from quinnm107 wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Shane,
The new AK's are zeroable, I have a Saiga brand, and it has and adjustable front sight [up/down and left right] and an adjustable rear sight [up/down]. The new AK's are made even better than the old ones. The Saigas go for about $350 to $520 [multiple calibers, including shotgun rounds]. Out of the box mine came almost fully zeroed, I have not adjusted for proper zero yet though.

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from Mike Plotner wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

idd like to get that book. been reading bout millitary history scince i chould read and then idd look at the pictureas or have mom or dad read it to me then came guns that good how you can combine the two idd like to read that book

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Years ago, semi auto's and full auto wasn’t known for its accuracy as a bolt gun due to propellants and gas operating systems. Got a news flash for’ya dar Shooter! If you’re still under that ol’wives tale, you better think again!! Technology has come a long way and M14’s and M1A's Super Match Grade truly gives even 300 Win Mag bolt guns a run for their money on the 1000 yard line! Just check out the scores at Quantico!

THIS HAS BEEN A NO "BS" MOMENT!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago
from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

hERE'S a hoot 4'ya!

Humorous Comparison of an AK47, an AR15 and a Mosin

http://www.mouseguns.com/compare.htm

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from lookenc wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Why would this Zorbabam1 Write a comment in a foreign language.?
Why would F&S bother to print it ?
lookenc..............

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Yohan

I plus'd you up one, but alas, there were the others who are less tolerant of your criticism of Boehner 'n Beck. LOL!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Mr. Palumbo

I'm with you on the AK and SKS.

WAM

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Yohan

If they run they're VC and if the stand still they're well trained VC.

Didn't see too many VC up on the fence, all regulars.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

countitadone,
as in 3 days ago. Well said.

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from Bella wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

Very nice stock art Clay, Done with a woodburning pencil?

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from Steve in Virginia wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Perhaps I'll better understand this by reading the book, but how much of the AK-47 represented original thinking on the part of Kalashnikov vs. a refinement of the German weapon it closely resembles? Perhaps a little of both?

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from countitandone wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

WAM ~ My sentiments bro'...exactly.

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

It make a veery distinctive sound when you are being a target! ;)

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from O Garcia wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

Mosin-Nagant: ugly as hell, stiff and clunky, but as reliable as a rifle can get. Will digest rimmed cartridges without snagging. And without the "special loading sequence" that the Lee-Enfield requires.

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from dale freeman wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Make no mistake, the Times will be looking closely at the sales of this book, and "THESE NEXT ELECTIONS".

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from yohan wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Hotter than H in upper mid west,.went to the wi game
fried my a$$,. and we had good seats ,.
90 degrees 35 miles south of the capital Madison Wi.

Wam
I just noticed this plus and minus thing ,.
Thnak you ofr plusiong me up but have to say
Dont reeeeally care.yuk yuk

Just another cadre in the shadows who won't come out and fight to defend thier position cause they can't
So snipe like a bunch of teenage girls,. Shiiiiiat ; )

Dugh ,. why did we bail out GM again ?
Cuase if we didnt there would be a million less
jobs than there are and then we would certianly be in world of hurt.

Work tomorow and tues then off the Badger state to chase does ( female deer :) for a couple days ,.
My friend the shrink asked when I was gonna get more deer meat,.. yuk yuk
None hunter that he is,. the guy will drive 40 miles for a venison roast done on a weber with apple wood .: )

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from sgaredneck wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Dave,
Sounds like a good read. Is the Times bringing on less-liberal writers now?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Food for thought, while working the Amtrak derailment near Palo Vere Arizona back in October 95 I was talking to a FBI Agent about the illegal firearms being smuggled into the US from Mexico. Interesting to find out, the fully automatic AK47's being smuggled in were practically all Kalashnikov's, GO FIGURE!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Remember the film clip with Clint Eastwood on Heartbreak Ridge with the AK47

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

Ya' Jim

Funny the only bravery countitandone knows is only bravado, that his strength is only a uniform, that his power is but a gun in the hands of a fool!

Have a nice day! LOL!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

Bella

I call it "Laser Art"!

________________________________

O Garcia

Excellant pcase and point in what can you stuff into that already cramped magazine! Being an Match Grade M1A owner, if I was to build another one would be chambered in 260 Remington! I have more 308 & 7.62 NATO Brass than I need making it beautiful 243 or 260 Rem!

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from pandora wrote 3 years 25 weeks ago

Pretty good post. I just stumbled upon your blog and wanted to say that I have really enjoyed reading your blog posts.

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from countitandone wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Clay ~ Great to have you back in the fold...like your insight and irreverance!

But what's this crap about betraying Fox News for your intel by listening to CNN? Dude!

Or, did you just make up that story? Again.

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from O Garcia wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

I also read somewhere that due to their buffer arrangement, most "inline" rifles, including (and especially) the M16, cannot be fired immediately after emerging from water. It is said only two current rifle systems, the M14 and the AK, can be used for this application. For those Navy SEAL types, this may be an important consideration.

I don't know if that's true, though.

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from James Bishop wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

Sounds like a good book, however I have heard the AK is not that accurate a firearm. As regards the m-16 I hate the the sight, & the fact that if it just looks at dirt it malfunctions. I prefer old school, the M-1 & M-2 carbines. As an AP I qualified on the night course From The Hip with my M-1. try that with a AK or m16. the M-1's have been found(in Nam) in mud & with just a swatch through the barrel fully functioned. as for Russian arms try the m.n.in 7.62X54r.

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from Dcast wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Petzal, I think you screwed up! How can he be pro-gun and exmilitary and be a writer for The New York Times? Just doesn't seem possible.

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from agostino wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

A combat weapon has one purpose, and the AK is better at it than the AR. It must be dependable under all circumstances and in all conditions. I know an Army scout who carried an AK out of preference in Iraq until he was furnished an M-14. The AR is relatively complex and a bit temperamental in mud, sand, etc. The AK follows the principal of the 1911-- it works.

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from shane wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

So predictable. Mention the Times and some dude will cry about it. Get your head out of your butt. The Times is the biggest baddest paper out there, whether you like its leanings or not. Top of the heap writers get hired there despite their political stance or lack thereof. Why does everything have to become a political witch hunt for some people?

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from yohan wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

SINCE THIS STARTED OUT AS BOOOK REVIEW ,. CAN ONLY SAY I KNOW OF CHIVERS (dont know him ,. know OF him ) ,.AND FROM WHAT I GET HE'S THE REAL DEAL,
SO IM GONNA BUY THE BOOK.

And to which ever genius that said
How can he work for the NY times be x military and pro gun.
Might I suggest that pulling your head out of your neather regions might help you breath and clear your head.

Just freaking amazes me
As Ive stated before here in.
Im a concervative liberal stock broker and dont give a flying "F " who know it.
Which in and of itself to some cracker like that is a najor anamoli ,. Put that together with the idea im x military I like guns still have 8 rifles and 6 shotguns which is down from total of about 20 .
Hunted my A$$ off for most of my life (a little bit on two OTHER contenents) and still cant get enough.

And I should be what??
A concevatve so far right I cant remember what my left hand is doing ,..SHIIIIIIAT !
People like that are the reason John "the Boner" Bohner ( sp ? ) and Glen Beck neither of which I would let hold my gum while I took a leal at aball game.
Are percieved as representing " THE PEOPLE "
The two being BS as condenced and concetrated as Ive ever seen it .

AS to the AK Moshie and wam ae rigfht ,.
they make a sound you NEVER forget when the get pointed in your direction,
IE: Go ther an do it before you pontificate .
And the AK wouldnt let the m-16 hold its gum either,.
if it could take a leak . at a ball game,. yuk yuk

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