


May 23, 2011
ZCORR Vacuum Rifle, Ammo Bags: Don't Worry About Rust Until 2031
by David E. Petzal
Along with financial collapse, the End of Days, nuclear war, and what will become of Arnold’s movie career, long-term gun storage is a source of anxiety. We’ll have to wait and see about the other stuff, but the gun storage part of it seems to have been solved.
ZCORR products has developed (at the request of the U.S. Marine Corps, which was looking for a way to store refurbished M-16s) long-term, re-usable, vacuum-sealed firearms and ammo storage bags that utilize a vapor corrosion inhibitor called Blu-Gard-VCI to protect whatever is in them for 20 years. ZCORR’s original storage bags close with a Velcro flap. The new Vacuum FSP bags use a zipper closure, and are apparently effective for much longer.
Clean the gun, pop it in the bag, zip the zipper, suck out the air with a vacuum cleaner, and go do something else until 2031. The U.S. Army Materiel Logistics Command has tested the FSP bags, subjecting them and the rifles inside to all sorts of horrible conditions, and found no rust at the end of the tests. Vacuum FSP bags start at $27.99, and for more intel, go to zcorrproducts.com.
Comments (26)
Is that a Mosin-Nagant in there?
Hmmm...I can't seem to find a gun of mine that I want to put away until 2031.
is there a dessicator inside the bags?? since i seem to remember corrotion in ferrous materials to be an anaerobe process.. could be a clue to throw one extra inside the bags just in case...
The most common corrosion of ferrous materials is red rust. Red rust is iron+oxygen so it has to be an aerobic process. Remove the oxygen and you remove the raw materials to create rust.
Green rust (like you see often see underwater) is iron plus chlorine
That is a Mosin M44 in there... good eye. Our ZCORR bags use a combination of military tested and approved VpCI (vapor corrosion inhibitor)material and barrier layers to lock in the VpCI Molecules and keep oxygen and moisture out... which is why our bags can last up to or beyond 20 yrs depending on how often your in and out of them.
Our VpCI chemistry is also designed to protect both ferrous & non ferrous metals which some other VpCI bags will only work with one or the other. You can also read our "How it Works" at http://www.zcorrproducts.com/pages/how-it-works
Also, if any one is interested in purchasing ZCORR Bags make sure to use the discount code "fieldandstream" at the check out page to save 10% on your order. All domestic orders over $50 ship free.
that would be a good idea if you had a cabin you could put a rifle like a mosin nagent and same ammo in it and be fine for a back up
I frequently check on any guns put away for long-term storage, as I don't want to risk having corrosion get started and progress for any length of time.
While I am sure this is a fine product, I don't trust any storage system for longer than a couple of months. The military may be able to afford to absorb the cost of lost equipment in the event of failure, but I cannot.
I like your comment 99explorer and that is precisely why we utilize re-usable closures in all of our bags... who could expect someone to not use or even just look at and admire their firearms from time to time.
That rig placed in a PVC pipe, sealed, and buried in the garden will prevent even the zombies from finding it and digging it up!
Could the air tight/vacuum plastic(garment)bags they advertise on TV serve the same purpose? Of course you would need to eliminate any light to penatrate the plastic, right?
Hummmm, I've got some sections of 6 inch PVC and end caps...
My first grandchild is due in December. Now I know how his first gun will be stored until he is old enough to use it.
Hey, ZCORR, how long are those bags? Do they come in different sizes? (Long rifles/shotgun sizes, Standard rifle, handgun, etc) I've got a Sporterized 96 Swedish Mauser that even after cutting about 6 inches off the barrel is still too long for most 'rifle' cases! Did you think about those type of weapons too?
Also, does opening the bags repeatedly shorten their useful life?
Dave,
The Aussies perfected gun storage back when the Govt. decreed destruction of most - all guns.
Now there are 'tube guns.'
I will not go on into any detail from there.
If you know any Aussies, they may make a remark.......
onward,
Zermoid,
We do have several sizes. And yes, the amount of times your in and out of the bag does influence how long it will last. Frequent use such as a couple times a week will allow protection for at least 5 yrs where as rarely opening the bag can protect for up to 20 yrs.
Pistol Bags - 11"x15"
Shotgun/ Rifle 11"x54"
Tactical - 14"x49"
Long Rifle - 11"x66"
Ralph the Rifleman,
The problem with garment bags is that over time contaminants such as oxygen and moisture can permeate through the material so to safely store your firearms you would need to apply extra oil or grease. The extra oil or grease also means you have to clean the firearm in order to use it. Either one of our ZCORR lines (vacuum or original Velcro) only require a normal cleaning which means firearms are ready to be used right out of the bag.
Why exactly would I need those? To hide my guns? F that... I would rather go down fighting.
Of course if my wife really got on my nerves it might be of some use. :D
I am thinking of buying a few of these for my father in law's birthday, we went into the gun closet the other day and started pulling out guns that he didnt even know he had, several are very old and already showing signs of corrosion, and they would definitely be the kinds of things I would like to save for future generations. Cool product, will definitely look into buying a few.
Yeah, vasportsman, I was thinking along those lines too, the ones that rarely get used would be good candidates for those bags, I have a old 22 that was my father's, not valuable but it has sentimental value, it also shoots a crappy group so it usually just sits in the cabinet. Would be great to not have to take it out just to clean and oil it every 6 months or so, got a couple others in pretty much the same situation.
I assume you could put more than one in a bag if they fit?
Depending on the size of the firearms, yes more than one can be put in a single bag.
Sounds like a winner, I'm ordering two. Maybe after I'm dead my son will appreciate it if he ever gets his head straight.
ZCORR,
I should have asked. Do your bags enclose entire rifles stock and all or just the barreled action?
The entire firearm goes into the bag and depending on the overall height of the rifle you may leave optics mounted as well. The anti corrosion technology in our bags only reacts with metals so glass and stocks (wood or synthetic) are unaffected.
Don't forget to use the code "fieldandstream" for 10% off
Now what???
I just went up to the lake house last weekend for the first time in 2 years. Putting it off until it was time to come home, I didn't clean the guns stored there until the last moment, but guess what?
The Crosman airgun (Quest 1000, made in China), anyway, was starting to get a little rust on the outside of the barrel. The Ruger 10/22 stainless, nothing. The Browning B-80 (Beretta) was totally okay, too.
But still. No cleaning or oiling for 2 years -- and condensation-wise the NYS-Canada border is a HARSH environment. So it was all better than expected, but how often can you get lucky?
Now with these mylar ziploc bags we should be able to EXPECT to avoid corrosion? Will the Cosmoline company go out of business? Is this cheating?
I like your post stcfs. I think all of "Up State" NY can have a pretty brutal environment in terms of humidity and drastic temp changes. ZCORR Bags actually aren't mylar but a combination of a foil barrier layer and a VpCI (vapor phase corrosion inhibitor) material.
Is use the ZCORR Bag cheating? Naw, your just switching over to a better performing longer lasting method of protection.
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The most common corrosion of ferrous materials is red rust. Red rust is iron+oxygen so it has to be an aerobic process. Remove the oxygen and you remove the raw materials to create rust.
Green rust (like you see often see underwater) is iron plus chlorine
Hmmm...I can't seem to find a gun of mine that I want to put away until 2031.
I frequently check on any guns put away for long-term storage, as I don't want to risk having corrosion get started and progress for any length of time.
While I am sure this is a fine product, I don't trust any storage system for longer than a couple of months. The military may be able to afford to absorb the cost of lost equipment in the event of failure, but I cannot.
I like your comment 99explorer and that is precisely why we utilize re-usable closures in all of our bags... who could expect someone to not use or even just look at and admire their firearms from time to time.
That rig placed in a PVC pipe, sealed, and buried in the garden will prevent even the zombies from finding it and digging it up!
The entire firearm goes into the bag and depending on the overall height of the rifle you may leave optics mounted as well. The anti corrosion technology in our bags only reacts with metals so glass and stocks (wood or synthetic) are unaffected.
Don't forget to use the code "fieldandstream" for 10% off
Now what???
I just went up to the lake house last weekend for the first time in 2 years. Putting it off until it was time to come home, I didn't clean the guns stored there until the last moment, but guess what?
The Crosman airgun (Quest 1000, made in China), anyway, was starting to get a little rust on the outside of the barrel. The Ruger 10/22 stainless, nothing. The Browning B-80 (Beretta) was totally okay, too.
But still. No cleaning or oiling for 2 years -- and condensation-wise the NYS-Canada border is a HARSH environment. So it was all better than expected, but how often can you get lucky?
Now with these mylar ziploc bags we should be able to EXPECT to avoid corrosion? Will the Cosmoline company go out of business? Is this cheating?
Is that a Mosin-Nagant in there?
is there a dessicator inside the bags?? since i seem to remember corrotion in ferrous materials to be an anaerobe process.. could be a clue to throw one extra inside the bags just in case...
That is a Mosin M44 in there... good eye. Our ZCORR bags use a combination of military tested and approved VpCI (vapor corrosion inhibitor)material and barrier layers to lock in the VpCI Molecules and keep oxygen and moisture out... which is why our bags can last up to or beyond 20 yrs depending on how often your in and out of them.
Our VpCI chemistry is also designed to protect both ferrous & non ferrous metals which some other VpCI bags will only work with one or the other. You can also read our "How it Works" at http://www.zcorrproducts.com/pages/how-it-works
Also, if any one is interested in purchasing ZCORR Bags make sure to use the discount code "fieldandstream" at the check out page to save 10% on your order. All domestic orders over $50 ship free.
that would be a good idea if you had a cabin you could put a rifle like a mosin nagent and same ammo in it and be fine for a back up
Could the air tight/vacuum plastic(garment)bags they advertise on TV serve the same purpose? Of course you would need to eliminate any light to penatrate the plastic, right?
Hummmm, I've got some sections of 6 inch PVC and end caps...
My first grandchild is due in December. Now I know how his first gun will be stored until he is old enough to use it.
Hey, ZCORR, how long are those bags? Do they come in different sizes? (Long rifles/shotgun sizes, Standard rifle, handgun, etc) I've got a Sporterized 96 Swedish Mauser that even after cutting about 6 inches off the barrel is still too long for most 'rifle' cases! Did you think about those type of weapons too?
Also, does opening the bags repeatedly shorten their useful life?
Dave,
The Aussies perfected gun storage back when the Govt. decreed destruction of most - all guns.
Now there are 'tube guns.'
I will not go on into any detail from there.
If you know any Aussies, they may make a remark.......
onward,
Zermoid,
We do have several sizes. And yes, the amount of times your in and out of the bag does influence how long it will last. Frequent use such as a couple times a week will allow protection for at least 5 yrs where as rarely opening the bag can protect for up to 20 yrs.
Pistol Bags - 11"x15"
Shotgun/ Rifle 11"x54"
Tactical - 14"x49"
Long Rifle - 11"x66"
Ralph the Rifleman,
The problem with garment bags is that over time contaminants such as oxygen and moisture can permeate through the material so to safely store your firearms you would need to apply extra oil or grease. The extra oil or grease also means you have to clean the firearm in order to use it. Either one of our ZCORR lines (vacuum or original Velcro) only require a normal cleaning which means firearms are ready to be used right out of the bag.
Why exactly would I need those? To hide my guns? F that... I would rather go down fighting.
Of course if my wife really got on my nerves it might be of some use. :D
I am thinking of buying a few of these for my father in law's birthday, we went into the gun closet the other day and started pulling out guns that he didnt even know he had, several are very old and already showing signs of corrosion, and they would definitely be the kinds of things I would like to save for future generations. Cool product, will definitely look into buying a few.
Yeah, vasportsman, I was thinking along those lines too, the ones that rarely get used would be good candidates for those bags, I have a old 22 that was my father's, not valuable but it has sentimental value, it also shoots a crappy group so it usually just sits in the cabinet. Would be great to not have to take it out just to clean and oil it every 6 months or so, got a couple others in pretty much the same situation.
I assume you could put more than one in a bag if they fit?
Depending on the size of the firearms, yes more than one can be put in a single bag.
Sounds like a winner, I'm ordering two. Maybe after I'm dead my son will appreciate it if he ever gets his head straight.
ZCORR,
I should have asked. Do your bags enclose entire rifles stock and all or just the barreled action?
I like your post stcfs. I think all of "Up State" NY can have a pretty brutal environment in terms of humidity and drastic temp changes. ZCORR Bags actually aren't mylar but a combination of a foil barrier layer and a VpCI (vapor phase corrosion inhibitor) material.
Is use the ZCORR Bag cheating? Naw, your just switching over to a better performing longer lasting method of protection.
Post a Comment