Nothing wrong with stocking up on things you'll use up anyways. Extra rounds, extra stored food, ect...

I already shot up my Y2K ammo stockpile and enjoyed the long-run $ savings.

I say, make the best of The Ride and enjoy life. Ignore the crazy people.

When I looked up the MSRP on that sweet sweet Gunsite Scout Rifle I noticed there is a left-handed model.

http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/models.html

I think I would rather be the stay and fight prepper. It fits my style more than the run and hide. Seems like most people who are the run and hide are the ones who don't make it in the first wave of whatever bad is about to happen.

As far as rifles, I finally put my eyes on one of the Gunsite Scouts here the other day. Not bad but wouldn't a Springfield M1A rifles be just as good. At least it would still be in .308 and put some authority on whatever target it is shot at. Just my thoughts on this as I think I would rather have a AR since I am more intimate with it.

Dave, there are three schools of thought on the point.

1. Pessimists: it's too late to be a prepper. You're already doomed.

2. Optimists: No time like the present. Of course "optimist" is kind of a misnomer here, given we're talking about the end of civilization. So I guess it's all relative.

3. Mindless head-in-sand Zombie: Brains. Give me more brains. Brains. Braaaiiins.

So, there you have it. Worry about it, or eat brains.

I got a box and a half of MREs, 2 AA batteries and 2 boxes of ammo. Will I need anything else?

If the above is true then why should we buy gold when you'll be shot for it. The one who is quickest and the most ammo wins!

I'm good to go,lots of rations,ammo,batteries and fuel, I'm just waiting for the manure to start flying!

Oooh, David--are you sure you want to get into this sort of stuff? This topic is a rock I think I'd rather not turn over.

Oooh, David--are you sure you want to get into this sort of stuff? This topic is a rock I think I'd rather not turn over.

Dave, this appears to me some of the same circumstances that led to the Great Depression. If were are doomed to travel down this road, what would you suggest to have in ones arsenal? Pistols, rifles, and shotguns? Does one need a rifle that will shoot 0.50" groups at a bazillion yards (eg. Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle) or would a gun that can effectively provide meat suffice? Of course armageddon is always a good excuse to buy really cool stuff.

On the other hand, let us say you DO see disaster ahead. Certainly everyone should have a store of food laid by, not to outlast the world-wide famine, but to hold you over in case the streets become to hot to leave the house. We already all have guns; looters don't like that. Gold? A pound of gold won't fill my belly nearly as well as a pound of Dinty Moore Beef Stew. Or protect my family as well as a pound of bullets. Hard to talk like this without sounding like a nut, isn't it? But look at Europe and the mideast and ask yourself where you'd like to be if a riot broke out a block from your house.

It is always best to be prepared and never have to use it then to need it and not have it,so yes it would be wise to prepare and become a prepper just in case.After the fact it will be to late.

Well then; thankfully us Brave souls die but once, while you cowards die many deaths...NOW may we talk of GUNS and all the firey flash they produce in our misrable lives here on Earth?

there's nothing wrong with the Ranch Rifle from Ruger, Sir DP. It's based on the Garand action, is available in 7.62x39, which should handle deer, capybaras (giant rats!), most Texas feral hogs you can manage to consume, and the occasional two-legged varmint, if it ever comes to that, and is a Ruger. Enough said.

But a left handed Gunsite Scout would be nice. Why not have both?

Doomsday scenario overdrive:

If you have grass, get an ox. it will pull a lot and will tide you over when gasoline runs out, will not require expensive harness, and if it dies, you can always eat it.
(Of course, if you eat horse and mule meat, this should not be a problem, if that's the case, get a horse because the last thing you want is to get in a fight because some dude laughed at you because you're riding an ox.)

Raise goats. They eat anything, although they're particular about clean water.

Heck, raise pigs.

Sweet potatoes and yams. Edible roots, edible tips. You can raise them yourselves. If you don't like vegetables, learn to like them.

Maybe now is the time you learned about gasifiers for extracting fuel gas from wood, coal and even old rubber tires. Or extracting methane from the manure of the pigs you're raising. You don't necessarily need to convert your vehicles, but at least you can have that generator running. If you have two diesel trucks, convert one to preheated vegetable oil use.

We'll always have black powder. You can get saltpeter from dried cow's urine. Black powder works with many old cartridges and percussion locks. When you run out of primers, switch to flint locks and match locks. You can make your own slow matches using dried urine.

Time to develop your archery skills. A longbow will not match a compound for sheer shooting ability, but at least you can build one yourself.

Snares and traps.

Finally, get Charlize Theron to walk down the road with you.

Don't take me seriously, this whole post is a joke.

Much, but not all, of the Somolia starvation is caused by the guys with the guns starving the innocents on purpose.
Climate change may be here but this year appears to be part of a repetitive cycle like the dust bowl years and the early '50s. The bad news is this part of the cycle typically lasts about 10 years. A news article missed by most said satellites are recording much more heat being lost into space now than was expected. Seems the CO2 isn't holding in like we thought. This may explain data showing a global cycle has started.
I rationalize that all the different calibers/guages I have accumulated will allow me to fire almost any ammo I can find.
All those horses standing around since equine slaughterhouses were banned will make tasty eatin'. By the way, burro isn't bad in a pinch....about like mule.
A question to ponder...if cannibalism becomes necessary and one slays an assh--e who needed killing anyway. If one should fillet said assh--e and dry the meat strips in the sun, would he then have jerked jerk?

If you chambered the Ruger Gunsite rifle in, say, .30-40 Krag or .30 Remington you could make it even more useless.

aside from the useless 10 round mag (not to mention illegal for hunting I'm sure in most states), why wouldn't the rifle be a great brush gun? .308 too powerful?

O lord, must be a slow day for ol' Dave.

Live off the land? Many of us better take a pharmacy with us.....why?

The vast majority of the people in this country are overweight, out of shape and wouldn't last any longer than the point when their meds for blood pressure and/or diabetes runs out.....

The only way to get prepped is to get close to the Lord.

Oryx,
You had to pull one of my favorite movies - so good the duke had to make it 3 times!
My question is the same over the years, what character would you be? as the years roll by for me it keeps changing, life does that to you.

The nice thing about living in the country vs a metropolis is where is the action gonna start? Certainly not in a town of 1500 people, which means I'll have plenty of time to gather any additional supplies, probably weeks.

A person that is really Prepared has both a bug out and a stand plan. Layers of both in fact. Likely the people whose initial response is to stand and die are going to just die. The ones who bug out in a panicked, ill planned way will fare no better.

Mike Diehl

Just like we used to say (wrt your bug out folks), "When the Rangers come calling, no use in running. You'll just die tired".

The Road by Cormac McCarthy=Great Literature although I wonder how Cormac passed 9th grade English with the weird punctuation. O well, Hemingway wrote long, rambling sentences.

The kid was a drag in the book also, DP

It never hurts to have some extra things on hand just in case. Be sure to have lots of beer........no kidding. You will have all the help you need if you have beer.

MG

Dave,
Your wrong on one count, as far as I can count, and that is "Climate Change" is not here! IT HAPPENS, every millenium or so.
PS, screw Al Gore.

what Colonel Cooper really needed was an old Mauser with an Aimpoint T1 Micro on a rail just in front of the forward receiver ring. That would have given him pretty much what he intended with the low powered scope, and it would be lighter too. And he can still load fast with stripper clips.

Dr. Petzal;
I have heard, only second hand, that Left-Handed scout rifles do exist. My brother received; at his brick-and-mortar gun store; 2 left-handed scouts in his latest visit from "Brown Santa" i.e. UPS. He aksed me if I wanted one. To which I replied that if he couldn't sell them otherwise, I might be interested, just for the novelty of the thing. Someday some "Ruger Geek" is going to pay me big bucks for it. I won't even shoot it, and I'll leave the "hang-tags" on it!
I've handled a righty, and I frankly don't see the point. The barrel is short, the stock is long, and the magazine is both long, and of low-capacity.
I've finally returned to Alaska, but don't know how to change my handle without losing my points!
AKX

>>Can someone explain to me why any rifle in any caliber is a better multi-purpose, do-it-all tool than a 12 gauge shotgun?

'cause occassionally you may want to "do it all" at a range greater than 100 yards. (although I do like my 870)

I think we're seeing prophesy come to pass.

I've got my supplies and I sleep GREAT!!!!
1. Food
2. Water
3. Ammo
4. More Ammo
5. Extra Ammo
6. Additional Ammo
7. Back up Ammo
I think that pretty much does it...

First, prove to me "Climate Change" is 1) here and 2) something I need to worry about.

No matter if they stand or flee, loners won't last long unless they can successfully hide. Communities and other groups will fare better by pooling resources. Cultivate your relationships.

I'd say stay and fight too.

Unless you know of a remote and defensible location you are better off staying where you are at and defend what you got, if the food or water runs out then you may want to rethink things.
Hunkering down, at least at first, has another advantage, many of the competing forces will have killed each other off after a while, leaving you with less enemy combatants to worry about avoiding.
Always a good thing in a live or die situation....

David Petzal, this link is for you!
http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/models.html

The gunsite in a lefty!

A lot of my friends joke about the zombie wars, but when you really look at things this is the kind of things they mean. I would put the White House as number one, but... They are stocking up on ammo, canned foods, ect. But I always remember what a old Capt told me "A true Ranger only carries what he needs to get something better".