



August 30, 2011
Review: The Ontario Blackbird SK-5 Survival Knife
By David E. Petzal
The world is positively awash in survival knives these days, and some of them, I’m sad to say, appear to have been cooked up by people who never got farther outdoors than the parking lot at industrial arts school. The SK-5 does not come under this heading. It’s designed by a fellow named Paul Scheiter, and while I’m not familiar with his credentials, he knows his s**t.
This is a knife that is not too big while being big enough, made of 154-CM steel, has a terrific and more or less indestructible canvas micarta handle held in place by three stainless-steel bolts, and an excellent MOLLE-compatible sheath that’s made of coyote-colored Cordura nylon. The blade is 5” long, spear-pointed, and tempered to Rc58-60. Mine came just short of razor-edged, and once I put a shaving edge on it (30 seconds on the Crock Stick) it held that edge like Grim Death.
A more useful, simple, and well-designed all-around knife you will not find. If I were taking one to the Sand Box, I might want to have the blade bead-blasted to kill the shine, but aside from that, it’s perfect.
Mr. Scheiter did not find it necessary to add a blade that will core out a prostate. The sheath will not serve as a tourniquet or allow you to carry your cel phone. If I ever meet Paul Scheiter I would like to shake his hand.
The list price for the SK-5s is $195, which is perfectly fair for a knife of this quality, but I’ve seen them on the Internet for just over $100. At that price, it’s a colossal bargain.
See the SK-5 in Field & Stream's Best of the Best Hunting Gear of 2011.
Comments (44)
Dave, curiosity question here. Sweet looking knife, and I'm a fan of most every knife out there, but what makes this one a survival knife? Thanks for your answer. Regards..........
Paul Scheiter has been making high-quality leather sheaths for awhile now. Has a nice little blog/survival vids on his website, he does know his stuff. http://www.hedgehogleatherworks.com/
Very appealing blade visually, I would like to handle one. Looks like a multi-use knife that can withstand abuse and remain functional.
What will it do that a $20 button-lock folding-knife won't?
I do think that 007 has a point. While it seems to be an excellent field knife, I don't see the 'survival' part any more than any other fixed blade.
While they do not have to be the two-foot-long Rambo things people sell, I would think an official survival knife would need more than a... well... blade.
The Army M9 full kit makes a very good survival kit. At minimum, I would think a serrated back for sawing, a heavy flat pommel for hammering, and a sheath incorporating a sharpener. Throw in a flat handle for lashing to a stick and some cord, and now you're talking.
A good knife, yes. But no more a survival knife than any I have, including a 1600s Italian dagger.
In Detroit a BUCK 110 was a solid survival knife(it was illegal:length), survival is what an individual can do with the nothing he/she thought they lacked. I woke up in Detroit a cub & ran out like a lion and was welcomed by Mother Texas, bless you !
Geez, you guys need to study up on your bushcraft knife history. If you want to know why this is a superb "survival" knife (I prefer the term "bushcraft") then go grab yourself a copy of anything written by Horace Kephart, because that's basically what this is, a modern take on Kephart's idea of the ideal woods knife.
A lot of experienced bushcrafters prefer a simple spearpoint blade exactly like this. No doodads, but sometimes simple is good...
Dave
I do hope you don't view this as an impertinence, but really, when are you going to review the Fallkniven f1?
SBW
I hope you tested this one,the diamond blade I won started to rust after the first use,they told me to carry a baggie with an oil cloth in it to wipe it down after every use,the deer would smell me a mile away if I do that.I am highly dissapointed in the quality of this knife,it is pretty much useless to me for hunting,I guess it could have been worst I could have paid for it,but then I might be able to get a refund.any way I hope your field testers really check this one out,they really dropped the ball on the diamond blade.
Looks like an update of the old Kephart knife.
Duane, if you think the diamondblade is worthless. i will gladly pay $50 plus shipping for it.
You have to decide what you mean by the term 'survival knife.'
If you mean a battle knife, to be used mainly for hacking your way through enemy soldiers or silencing sentries, you want the biggest thing you can get. A Bowie, a Bolo, or best of all probably a Kukri.
If you mean "I'm parachuting onto a desert island where I will be living for six months, and am allowed to have one thing in my hand," I'd want a blade with a saw back, a fire striker notch, and a sheath that doubles as a tool kit. Something like a machete might be about right; go down any dirt road from just south of the Rio Grande to Patagonia and that is what the natives are using.
But if you are talking fieldcraft, consider that the Hudson's Bay knives traded to the Indians in exchange for furs were just the same size and shape as this knife. When it comes to field craft, is there anybody here who thinks he knows more than an 1815 Indian brave or squaw, from any tribe north of Illinois or west of the Mississippi??
Me? When I anticipate human opponents I pack a firearm; when I have wood to chop I use an axe (or a chainsaw); and when I just want to cut something I use a good folder, or a knife like this. Too bad it isn't sv30!
Seems like a good, tough knife.
I've been very impressed so far with your recommendation from last year of the ColdSteel knife which was $20. Dressed 3 deer with it last fall and it held its edge superbly. I bought 2 when I ordered and I still haven't figured out if I'm just gonna keep the second one or give it to someone as a gift. Might just keep it for a couple years and give it to my boy when he's a little older.
Petzal- Would you at F&S consider a contest with this as the prize??
To OO7: Because they call it one. Aside from that, it's on the large side for a hunting knife but it can serve as one. Generally, it will handle heavier work than the average hunting knife.
To Mike Deihl: Hold up a hell of a lot longer.
ATo Suburban Bushwhacker: I'm damned if I know why I didn't think of that. Great knife. Let me see what I can do.
To Duane Boyd: I've been using Diamondblades since 2006 and never had one rust. Send it back to them and they'll coat it with NP3, which will solve the problem permanently.
To CHKetc. I think it's a great idea. Not my decision, but I'll propose it to the person whose call it it.
I'll keep my Estwing!
Unless you never used Alaskan Ulu Knives, you never used a knife
Yea, I like the spear point blade for a survival knife, and with some BEEFY strength to it makes sense?
Is 154-CM steel a tool steel?
The sk-5 looks like a pretty solid design. Definitely follows the K.I.S.S. principle, which is a welcome change from many of the so called "survival" knives. Many saw back knife spines don't work on large limbs, using a knife pommel as a hammer is a great way to injure a hand, and while being able to lash your knife to a pole and use it as a spear sounds like a good feature, it is not really a great thing to do to a tool that you are betting your backside on. Any time you use a knife as anything other than a knife you are setting yourself up for disappointment or injury.
WP:
What you said. The knife is for cutting. If you need a spear, you don't make the knife into a spear, you use the knife to make a stick into a spear. That way if you throw the spear into quicksand or a canyon, onto hard rocks, or leave it hanging from some angry pig's butt, you lose the spear but still have the knife. You don't use the knife as a tool; you use the knife to make tools, and use them.
Hope it is not 4mm thick, it really reduces the versatility when a knife is too thick.
Thanks Dave.
Clay, have you ever met Yogi Berra?
Clay, Alaska Ulus are great knives. I am told that it is the one you want if you are under attack from a bear. Also good around the kitchen.
This "survival" knife thing is overhyped. Like a survival firearm, a survival knife is best described as what you happen to have on your person at the critical moment you need it. Your specialized "survival" gear won't do you any good back at the locked command bunker with your hoard of ammo and MRE's. My Kershaw folder serves me well and it always goes where I go.
Kudos to you fellows that appreciate Kephart, puukko knives and bushcraft skills.
"To Mike Deihl: Hold up a hell of a lot longer."
My Schrade 2" folding knife has served me well for 30 years. The wood's almost a mahogany color from the animal blood it has absorbed but is intact and chip-free. The stainless blade has a slightly different shape than it did as a factory newby, since it's been sharpened plenty of times.
I'll let you know if it ever shows any signs of not "holding up."
For those looking for a new knife that is tough and stays sharp a long time, where does one purchase the Mike Diehl 30-year-old mahogany-colored wood-handled shapeshifting-blade package? Sure ain't going to find a new Schrade that's anything like the quality of the old ones.
I think if I were DEP I might say the hell with it. Everybody has a better alternative and complains about the price regardless of what he brings up.
It's true that my Schrade may be much better-made than current ones now made in China. I can, therefore, also recommend any W.R.Case of similar design.
It depends on where you are trying to survive, in nam I had one of these, it only cost around $25 then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairbairn-Sykes_Fighting_Knife
Kilgore Trout, thanks for mentioning Horace Kephart's book "Camping and Woodcraft" first published in 1906. I found that you can download the whole work and have read some of it today. This is what he wrote about fixed-bladed knives:
"Many hunters do not carry sheath knives, saying (and it is quite true) that a common jackknife will skin anything from a squirrel to a bear. Still, I like a small, light sheath knife. It is always open and "get-at-able," ready not only for skinning game and cleaning fish, but for cutting sticks, slicing bread and bacon and peeling " spuds." It saves the pocket knife from wet and messy work, and preserves its edge for the fine jobs.
For years I used knives of my own design, because there was nothing on the market that met my notion of what a sensible, practical sheath knife should be; but we have it now in the knife here shown (Fig. 104). It is of the right size (4-inch blade), the right shape, and the proper thinness. I ground the front part of the back of mine to a blunt bevel edge for scaling fish and disarticulating joints. The sheath being flimsy, and the buttoned band a nuisance, I made one of good leather that binds well up on the handle and is fastened together with copper rivets besides the sewing.
Cutlery should be of the best steel obtainable. Knicks and dull edges are abominations, so use knives and hatchets for nothing but what they were made for, and whet them a little every day that they are in service.
http://www.archive.org/details/campingwoodcraft00kephrich
http://openlibrary.org/books/OL6639931M/Camping_and_woodcraft
nc30-06:
No offense because I like Ulus, and they are handy in the kitchen, but if I was attacked by a polar bear and all I had was an Ulu, I'd pull it out fast and cut my throat.
Mike Diehl, I love folding knives and have a bushel basket of them, from Kabars and Bucks to Spydercos and Kershaws, plus a ton of whittlers pocket knives, and enough Swiss Army knives (both makes) to start my own bank. But no folder is as strong as a full tang fixed blade like this one. Not even close. I'd trust my deer hunt to my Buck 110, but my life I'd trust to this knife of Dave's, if I couldn't have my Bucks or Gerbers, that is.
CUT AND PASTE ALERT!!!
From our friends at Wiki:
"An ulu (Inuktitut syllabics: ᐅᓗ, plural: uluit, English: "woman's knife"[1]) is an Inuit all-purpose knife traditionally used by women."
@Focus - It's just a knife. You can't start a fire with it, drive a stake into the ground, or fight off a bear with it. If you're in the position where fighting some beasty matters and all you brought was that sticker, you're dead. For survival situations, give me a gun any day.
Sure, if you were back in the paleolithic, it's far better than that Clovis biface or Mousterian core-blade you've been carrying around. But what and when are we talking about that the difference between that knife and any other butchering/skinning knife makes a difference?
You guys should check out the ESEE 4. Hands down the best and most versatile knife I've ever held. It truly is an amazing do-all knife.
It's hard to beat a Mora Bushcraft Triflex knife. Having finally learned how to sharpen them, I must admit that I now try to polish them to a near mirror finish. I believe that the high polish helps reduce friction while cutting and may help to reduce rusting. I do believe that a 4" drop point knife is probably the best shape for an all around knife.
Uncanny resemblance to a WWII-era mess kit knife.
I like Moras too.
WAM! Very good eye, if it only had a Hole for hanging on a mess kit! Heh Heh.
Make that hole BIG ENOUGH! I missed it the first 2 times
Too late. Just bought a RAT-7. Very similar, but a bit bigger and D2 steel. Awesome knife. This one looks very good too. I almost got the RAT-5, but opted for the RAT-7
Outdoor Envy, that ESEE looks like a great knife. The only concern I would have is how fast the 1095 blade steel would rust. But, the 1095 would hold a great edge.
http://www.eseeknives.com/rc-4.htm
DEP, good product review. Thanks
I have used the Ontario Blackbird a lot, and it has become my got to knife. I own knives from most major knife companies as well as many custom makers. That said, the Blackbird has become my usual carry for all of our wilderness classes.
PigHunter, I haven't had a problem with it rusting. I give it a good rubbing with oil after a hunting trip and it hasn't rusted. I do this with all my knives though. It holds a great edge and the coating on the steel is very durable. It still looks brand new and hasn't flaked off or anything.
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You have to decide what you mean by the term 'survival knife.'
If you mean a battle knife, to be used mainly for hacking your way through enemy soldiers or silencing sentries, you want the biggest thing you can get. A Bowie, a Bolo, or best of all probably a Kukri.
If you mean "I'm parachuting onto a desert island where I will be living for six months, and am allowed to have one thing in my hand," I'd want a blade with a saw back, a fire striker notch, and a sheath that doubles as a tool kit. Something like a machete might be about right; go down any dirt road from just south of the Rio Grande to Patagonia and that is what the natives are using.
But if you are talking fieldcraft, consider that the Hudson's Bay knives traded to the Indians in exchange for furs were just the same size and shape as this knife. When it comes to field craft, is there anybody here who thinks he knows more than an 1815 Indian brave or squaw, from any tribe north of Illinois or west of the Mississippi??
Me? When I anticipate human opponents I pack a firearm; when I have wood to chop I use an axe (or a chainsaw); and when I just want to cut something I use a good folder, or a knife like this. Too bad it isn't sv30!
I hope you tested this one,the diamond blade I won started to rust after the first use,they told me to carry a baggie with an oil cloth in it to wipe it down after every use,the deer would smell me a mile away if I do that.I am highly dissapointed in the quality of this knife,it is pretty much useless to me for hunting,I guess it could have been worst I could have paid for it,but then I might be able to get a refund.any way I hope your field testers really check this one out,they really dropped the ball on the diamond blade.
WP:
What you said. The knife is for cutting. If you need a spear, you don't make the knife into a spear, you use the knife to make a stick into a spear. That way if you throw the spear into quicksand or a canyon, onto hard rocks, or leave it hanging from some angry pig's butt, you lose the spear but still have the knife. You don't use the knife as a tool; you use the knife to make tools, and use them.
Dave
I do hope you don't view this as an impertinence, but really, when are you going to review the Fallkniven f1?
SBW
The sk-5 looks like a pretty solid design. Definitely follows the K.I.S.S. principle, which is a welcome change from many of the so called "survival" knives. Many saw back knife spines don't work on large limbs, using a knife pommel as a hammer is a great way to injure a hand, and while being able to lash your knife to a pole and use it as a spear sounds like a good feature, it is not really a great thing to do to a tool that you are betting your backside on. Any time you use a knife as anything other than a knife you are setting yourself up for disappointment or injury.
Clay, have you ever met Yogi Berra?
It's true that my Schrade may be much better-made than current ones now made in China. I can, therefore, also recommend any W.R.Case of similar design.
nc30-06:
No offense because I like Ulus, and they are handy in the kitchen, but if I was attacked by a polar bear and all I had was an Ulu, I'd pull it out fast and cut my throat.
Mike Diehl, I love folding knives and have a bushel basket of them, from Kabars and Bucks to Spydercos and Kershaws, plus a ton of whittlers pocket knives, and enough Swiss Army knives (both makes) to start my own bank. But no folder is as strong as a full tang fixed blade like this one. Not even close. I'd trust my deer hunt to my Buck 110, but my life I'd trust to this knife of Dave's, if I couldn't have my Bucks or Gerbers, that is.
Dave, curiosity question here. Sweet looking knife, and I'm a fan of most every knife out there, but what makes this one a survival knife? Thanks for your answer. Regards..........
Paul Scheiter has been making high-quality leather sheaths for awhile now. Has a nice little blog/survival vids on his website, he does know his stuff. http://www.hedgehogleatherworks.com/
Very appealing blade visually, I would like to handle one. Looks like a multi-use knife that can withstand abuse and remain functional.
I do think that 007 has a point. While it seems to be an excellent field knife, I don't see the 'survival' part any more than any other fixed blade.
While they do not have to be the two-foot-long Rambo things people sell, I would think an official survival knife would need more than a... well... blade.
The Army M9 full kit makes a very good survival kit. At minimum, I would think a serrated back for sawing, a heavy flat pommel for hammering, and a sheath incorporating a sharpener. Throw in a flat handle for lashing to a stick and some cord, and now you're talking.
A good knife, yes. But no more a survival knife than any I have, including a 1600s Italian dagger.
Geez, you guys need to study up on your bushcraft knife history. If you want to know why this is a superb "survival" knife (I prefer the term "bushcraft") then go grab yourself a copy of anything written by Horace Kephart, because that's basically what this is, a modern take on Kephart's idea of the ideal woods knife.
A lot of experienced bushcrafters prefer a simple spearpoint blade exactly like this. No doodads, but sometimes simple is good...
Seems like a good, tough knife.
I've been very impressed so far with your recommendation from last year of the ColdSteel knife which was $20. Dressed 3 deer with it last fall and it held its edge superbly. I bought 2 when I ordered and I still haven't figured out if I'm just gonna keep the second one or give it to someone as a gift. Might just keep it for a couple years and give it to my boy when he's a little older.
I'll keep my Estwing!
Unless you never used Alaskan Ulu Knives, you never used a knife
Hope it is not 4mm thick, it really reduces the versatility when a knife is too thick.
Thanks Dave.
This "survival" knife thing is overhyped. Like a survival firearm, a survival knife is best described as what you happen to have on your person at the critical moment you need it. Your specialized "survival" gear won't do you any good back at the locked command bunker with your hoard of ammo and MRE's. My Kershaw folder serves me well and it always goes where I go.
Kudos to you fellows that appreciate Kephart, puukko knives and bushcraft skills.
For those looking for a new knife that is tough and stays sharp a long time, where does one purchase the Mike Diehl 30-year-old mahogany-colored wood-handled shapeshifting-blade package? Sure ain't going to find a new Schrade that's anything like the quality of the old ones.
I think if I were DEP I might say the hell with it. Everybody has a better alternative and complains about the price regardless of what he brings up.
Kilgore Trout, thanks for mentioning Horace Kephart's book "Camping and Woodcraft" first published in 1906. I found that you can download the whole work and have read some of it today. This is what he wrote about fixed-bladed knives:
"Many hunters do not carry sheath knives, saying (and it is quite true) that a common jackknife will skin anything from a squirrel to a bear. Still, I like a small, light sheath knife. It is always open and "get-at-able," ready not only for skinning game and cleaning fish, but for cutting sticks, slicing bread and bacon and peeling " spuds." It saves the pocket knife from wet and messy work, and preserves its edge for the fine jobs.
For years I used knives of my own design, because there was nothing on the market that met my notion of what a sensible, practical sheath knife should be; but we have it now in the knife here shown (Fig. 104). It is of the right size (4-inch blade), the right shape, and the proper thinness. I ground the front part of the back of mine to a blunt bevel edge for scaling fish and disarticulating joints. The sheath being flimsy, and the buttoned band a nuisance, I made one of good leather that binds well up on the handle and is fastened together with copper rivets besides the sewing.
Cutlery should be of the best steel obtainable. Knicks and dull edges are abominations, so use knives and hatchets for nothing but what they were made for, and whet them a little every day that they are in service.
http://www.archive.org/details/campingwoodcraft00kephrich
http://openlibrary.org/books/OL6639931M/Camping_and_woodcraft
CUT AND PASTE ALERT!!!
From our friends at Wiki:
"An ulu (Inuktitut syllabics: ᐅᓗ, plural: uluit, English: "woman's knife"[1]) is an Inuit all-purpose knife traditionally used by women."
I like Moras too.
In Detroit a BUCK 110 was a solid survival knife(it was illegal:length), survival is what an individual can do with the nothing he/she thought they lacked. I woke up in Detroit a cub & ran out like a lion and was welcomed by Mother Texas, bless you !
Looks like an update of the old Kephart knife.
Duane, if you think the diamondblade is worthless. i will gladly pay $50 plus shipping for it.
Petzal- Would you at F&S consider a contest with this as the prize??
To OO7: Because they call it one. Aside from that, it's on the large side for a hunting knife but it can serve as one. Generally, it will handle heavier work than the average hunting knife.
To Mike Deihl: Hold up a hell of a lot longer.
ATo Suburban Bushwhacker: I'm damned if I know why I didn't think of that. Great knife. Let me see what I can do.
To Duane Boyd: I've been using Diamondblades since 2006 and never had one rust. Send it back to them and they'll coat it with NP3, which will solve the problem permanently.
To CHKetc. I think it's a great idea. Not my decision, but I'll propose it to the person whose call it it.
Yea, I like the spear point blade for a survival knife, and with some BEEFY strength to it makes sense?
Is 154-CM steel a tool steel?
Clay, Alaska Ulus are great knives. I am told that it is the one you want if you are under attack from a bear. Also good around the kitchen.
"To Mike Deihl: Hold up a hell of a lot longer."
My Schrade 2" folding knife has served me well for 30 years. The wood's almost a mahogany color from the animal blood it has absorbed but is intact and chip-free. The stainless blade has a slightly different shape than it did as a factory newby, since it's been sharpened plenty of times.
I'll let you know if it ever shows any signs of not "holding up."
It depends on where you are trying to survive, in nam I had one of these, it only cost around $25 then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairbairn-Sykes_Fighting_Knife
@Focus - It's just a knife. You can't start a fire with it, drive a stake into the ground, or fight off a bear with it. If you're in the position where fighting some beasty matters and all you brought was that sticker, you're dead. For survival situations, give me a gun any day.
Sure, if you were back in the paleolithic, it's far better than that Clovis biface or Mousterian core-blade you've been carrying around. But what and when are we talking about that the difference between that knife and any other butchering/skinning knife makes a difference?
You guys should check out the ESEE 4. Hands down the best and most versatile knife I've ever held. It truly is an amazing do-all knife.
It's hard to beat a Mora Bushcraft Triflex knife. Having finally learned how to sharpen them, I must admit that I now try to polish them to a near mirror finish. I believe that the high polish helps reduce friction while cutting and may help to reduce rusting. I do believe that a 4" drop point knife is probably the best shape for an all around knife.
Uncanny resemblance to a WWII-era mess kit knife.
Outdoor Envy, that ESEE looks like a great knife. The only concern I would have is how fast the 1095 blade steel would rust. But, the 1095 would hold a great edge.
http://www.eseeknives.com/rc-4.htm
DEP, good product review. Thanks
I have used the Ontario Blackbird a lot, and it has become my got to knife. I own knives from most major knife companies as well as many custom makers. That said, the Blackbird has become my usual carry for all of our wilderness classes.
PigHunter, I haven't had a problem with it rusting. I give it a good rubbing with oil after a hunting trip and it hasn't rusted. I do this with all my knives though. It holds a great edge and the coating on the steel is very durable. It still looks brand new and hasn't flaked off or anything.
What will it do that a $20 button-lock folding-knife won't?
WAM! Very good eye, if it only had a Hole for hanging on a mess kit! Heh Heh.
Make that hole BIG ENOUGH! I missed it the first 2 times
Too late. Just bought a RAT-7. Very similar, but a bit bigger and D2 steel. Awesome knife. This one looks very good too. I almost got the RAT-5, but opted for the RAT-7
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