



August 18, 2011
Scope Review: More Miracles from Minox
By David E. Petzal

Oh well, back to guns. As Pogo said, politics is the kiss of death for swampland critters.
Some time ago I reported on Minox’s binoculars, and stated that, dollar for dollar, they were the best I knew of. (Or if I didn’t, I should have.) The optics were wonderful and the glasses themselves were simple, straightforward, and direct. They would not double as an astrolabe or tell you where there was an open parking space, but they would show you where the game was.
Now, I’m pleased to report, the company is offering a line of 9 scopes, designated as the ZA3 and ZA5 models, depending on power, that range from a 1.5X-8X shotgun/dangerous game scope to a monster 6X-30X with a 56mm objective. I have been using a ZA5 2X-10X (Yes, a great many of these scopes offer 5X magnification) for a number of weeks now and have not been so impressed since Redfield came back from the dead.
As with the binoculars, Minox has decided not to do anything cute; in addition to a choice of models you have a choice of three reticles, and that’s about it. They are all of normal size, weight, and configuration, but there are two things about the line that sets it apart.
First, unless you’re already living in a refrigerator carton, they are affordable. The MSRPs are in the medium range, but the real-world prices put them down in low medium. My ZA5 can be had for $479, but judging by its overall quality, it’s a legitimate $700-$800 scope.
Second, the optics are sensational. I don’t mean good for the money, I mean sensational. My scope is clearly better than a comparable American scope of slightly higher price, and about equal to an imported scope that costs nearly three times as much. Tom McIntyre just selected the 1.5X-8X ZA3 for a Best of the Best Award, if you’d like independent confirmation.
Go compare for yourself. Also, apologies for writing about something affordable. Better brace yourselves—there’s going to be more.
Comments (43)
I have admired the price of these for years, they look really good. I had thought that they were lower quality than they were. I will re-attack and maybe pick up a new scope for my Savage 99.
AKX
Excellent Dave, I for one appreciate a good bargain.
I've got a Bushnell 4200 on my .270, It has lost it's zero only once in three seasons, and just an inch at 100yds at that.
I can see far beyond legal shooting light.
I am in the market for another scope for another rifle.
1) how durable is the Minox?
2) what characteristics am I looking for when attempting to compare the optics?
How dare you Dave. What are the bargain shoppers going to complain about when you start writing about gear like this?
Pogo also said "We have met the enemy, and he is us".
To Ripper III: I don't know how durable. Minox is letting me hang onto it through hunting season, so I'll see how it does in the real world.
If you're looking to compare the optics of one scope to another, you need to do your test either at first light or at sunset. All scopes look good at high noon on a bright day. What you're looking for is the scope's ability to show you detail at 100 yards. You need a target with some kind of small image or detail or wording; I use a medium-brown target with a bull's-eye on it comprised of very fine green circles. To pick those out clearly, a scope has to be pretty durn good, and differences between scopes show up right away.
Or, you may be able to get a resolution chart from an optometrist. I have an old one that does the job.
That Bushnell 4200 that you have, by the way, is one of the toughest scopes around.
To Douglas: Pogo was some smart marsupial.
Good info. One question -- where are these scopes made?
Minox is made in Germany.
The parts come from Germany and are assembled here.
"We have found the enemy, and he is US!" - Pogo (Walt Kelly)
My apologies (somewhat!) for being an old curmudgeon, but what in the heck is wrong with Leupold? They work. They're tough! They look good! ...and as long as you're not purchasing the "Thousand Yard View Master" with adjustable view, range finder, Vari-X 10X50 with 100mm objective and multi-plex reticle with "Hunnerd Yard Hash Marks", reasonably priced!
Bah! Humbug!
Buy a Leupold!!
Bubba
@David,
Thanks
Bah! Humbug!
Buy a Leupold!!
Bubba
I'm a big fan of Leupold, but nothing makes a company better than strong competition. Having choices in moderately priced decent scopes is a great thing. My last purchase was a Nikon because it was a better buy than the competitive Leupold.
David, thank you for writing about affordable gear. Have you turned over a new leaf? In the future however, please don't tell the manufacturer what you think the price ought to be. I wouldn't want them to get any ideas.
Now I just need that custom shop Remington 700 to put it on. . . .
Dave, how would you compare the Minox to the Zeiss Conquest line in general. For affordable optics, that's where I start. The 3X9 has to be one of the best values out there...so far anyway
I don't live in a refrigerator carton but for sure I'd be sleeping in the doghouse if I spent $400+ for a scope.
these scopes seem to be the real deal from all reviews i have read. think i might have to spend some money
Dave, Those are no doubt nice scopes but you already sold me on Bushnell Elite 6500's. Have already bought 2 and mounted one on my ER Shaw 22-250 varmint rifle and the other on my new Vanguard 2 in 300 WBY. Will keep Minox in mind for future projects but it will have to come with a huge discount since I get the Elite's at a great price.
DEP - For a guy with fair eyesight, can you easily identify the markings on the parallax adjustment. Minox website doesn't really show any good images.
Dave, Can you tell us how much "play" there is fore and aft with the scope rings? Looks a bit short by the pics.
Priced at about half the cost of a top-quality rifle, these scopes seem to offer exceptional value. I have never believed that a scope should cost as much or more than the rifle.
Dave,
Apologies not needed for writing about affordable gear. I'm braced for more!
Fantastic. Looks like Leupold is in trouble. Well, if we had any sense, they would be. I've seen many scopes that are cheaper and yet optically superior.
Nice to see parts from Germany and assembled here. Honestly, they do almost everything better than us so it would be great if they were assembled there too, but them socialists have to pay their union scum quite a bit to do their unparalleled work...
AKX - You'd be a fool to not put that 1.5-8x32 on your '99, or any big game rifle, for that matter I might to the same.
If they had 1.5-8s years ago, no one I know would ever have a 3-9. I surely wouldn't. That scope would be on all of my rifles. I favor the lower end, and 8 is plenty for any big game hunting. If you don't think so, you know what I think of you.
To Oryx: The Zeiss Conquests are great scopes and great values. You're going to have to figure this one out yourself.
To Jim: Depends on the model. The one I have presented no problems.
To Jay: I don't think you'd have any problems. Minox is good at that kind of thing.
3kidsdad
I don't have a problem with competition, it's just that I've had such good performance and experiences with Leupold scopes, when the word "scope" comes to my mind, it automatically translates to "Leupold"!! LOL!!!
The "Bah! Humbug!" thing was more comedic relief than real. I DO have other scopes. I have a small collection (3) of Weaver K4's on various light rifles. A BSA on one .22 and a Simmons on another .22.
When it comes to a "serious" MEAT rifle, it gets a Leupold.
Bubba
Growing up, Leupold, Redfield, Lyman, Weaver were "good" scopes. The other "leading" brands were Tasco and Bushnell and could be had from Gibson's for $10 to $15. An El Paso, Texas built Weaver K4 was about $50 and considered VERY expensive! Leupold was probably $80 to $90 or better! LOL!!!
Scoped rifles were the exception rather than the rule! A rifle HAD to be drilled and tapped for a scope, they didn't come that way from the factory. Twenty-two's were just beginning to get the "ribs" for clamping a scope base to and a .22 scope was 3/4" tube.
Hunted with an older gent who had a M70 Winchester in .270 Win that was topped with a 4X "Kolmorgan"(sp?), the forerunner of Redfield!
Zeiss and Unertle were out there, but were considered "target" scopes and WAY too expensive for a hunting rifle! My parents were 9 and 10 when the Depression hit! My dad and grandad didn't just go out and spend money on a "scope" as long as they could see iron sights! My grandfather NEVER bought a "box" of ammo. Every two years he went to Babcock Bros on Spring St and bought seven .30-30 rounds. That allowed him one practice shot and killed 2 deer each year. LOL!!
HECK! My dad saved all year to afford a $25 annual hunting lease!
Bubba
Mr. Petzal...
What rifle are you planning on using these scopes on?
To Jason Hart: I have just the one scope, and have mounted it on my Nosler Model 48 6.5/284, which I'm taking elk hunting in September.
Mr. Petzal...
Best of luck in September!
Lots of brands mentioned, but I didn't see anyone bring up Vortex as a competitor. Thoughts on the quality of Vortex rifle scopes from anyone? I ask, as I purchased one this year for use on my new .300 win mag.
Got an Ol’Nichols 3x9 Widefield setting on top of my 22-250 for years now, should have bought the other 5!
6.5 for ELK?!? That's gonna blow some tops on here...
shane
As I understand it, the .264 Win Mag (6.5mm) is a whomper-stomper "ungulate" cartridge par excellance.
I'm just not a "Mag" fan!
Bully for those that are!
Bubba
I've been hunting deer and elk with a 6.5 Rem Mag for something like 40 years - the critters just die on the spot, and I have never used bullets heavier than 129 grains. This little cartridge got bad press in its early days due mainly to the short barrel guns it came in and the old Core-Lokt 100 and 120 grain bullets which acted more like varmint bullets than big game bullets at the velocities the 6.5 was capable of, particularly in longer barreled rifles. My Rem 700 has a 24 inch barrel and will approximate (usually beating) the ballistics of the 6.5-284 using IMR 4831. It is also a great varmint rig with 85 and 87 grain hollow points and shoots dime sized groups with these pills if I do my part, which is getting harder after all these years. Dave P - get an elk for us 6.5 fans and let us know how it all turns out.
264 Win Mag, look at the ballistics out to 1000 yards. One of the most flat shooting over the counter cartridges out dar!
Not everyone in Wyoming is a gun nut, consequently several locals have bought/built 6.5/.284s in the last few years primarily for elk. I think this is partially due to the "Best of the West" guys building and promoting this caliber as if it was their own discovery. Anyway those who just learned about a 6.5/.284 are astonished when I mumble something like "if a .270 will kill elk so will a 6.5/.284" or "I had one of those back in '75". The more things change the more they remain the...you know how that goes.
6.5/284????
Bah, Humbug.
'Best of the West' ???
Bah F@^$*%@ Humbug!
I take it that WAM is not too much in favor of the 6.5/284.
Carney,
You are very astute my friend!
WAM
Yeah. Developed a knack for reading between the lines when I was serving in the French Foreign Legion.
I acquired a new Minox ZA5 2-10x40 BDC. No instructions were included on how to use the BDC reticle.Any help?
How does this 1.5-8x32 compare with the Bushnell Elite 6500 1.5-8x32? It's lighter for one thing, and better price, but the Elite would seem to have it beat on better eye relief, and possibly the rainguard. I think I'd get this one next time if not concerned about a lot of eye relief (says only ">4"), but run with the Nikon Slugmaster or Elite 6500 for BIG eye relief needed (AR15s, .45-70s, Scout mounted, etc.).
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How dare you Dave. What are the bargain shoppers going to complain about when you start writing about gear like this?
To Ripper III: I don't know how durable. Minox is letting me hang onto it through hunting season, so I'll see how it does in the real world.
If you're looking to compare the optics of one scope to another, you need to do your test either at first light or at sunset. All scopes look good at high noon on a bright day. What you're looking for is the scope's ability to show you detail at 100 yards. You need a target with some kind of small image or detail or wording; I use a medium-brown target with a bull's-eye on it comprised of very fine green circles. To pick those out clearly, a scope has to be pretty durn good, and differences between scopes show up right away.
Or, you may be able to get a resolution chart from an optometrist. I have an old one that does the job.
That Bushnell 4200 that you have, by the way, is one of the toughest scopes around.
To Douglas: Pogo was some smart marsupial.
Good info. One question -- where are these scopes made?
Minox is made in Germany.
The parts come from Germany and are assembled here.
"We have found the enemy, and he is US!" - Pogo (Walt Kelly)
My apologies (somewhat!) for being an old curmudgeon, but what in the heck is wrong with Leupold? They work. They're tough! They look good! ...and as long as you're not purchasing the "Thousand Yard View Master" with adjustable view, range finder, Vari-X 10X50 with 100mm objective and multi-plex reticle with "Hunnerd Yard Hash Marks", reasonably priced!
Bah! Humbug!
Buy a Leupold!!
Bubba
6.5/284????
Bah, Humbug.
'Best of the West' ???
Bah F@^$*%@ Humbug!
I take it that WAM is not too much in favor of the 6.5/284.
Yeah. Developed a knack for reading between the lines when I was serving in the French Foreign Legion.
Dave, how would you compare the Minox to the Zeiss Conquest line in general. For affordable optics, that's where I start. The 3X9 has to be one of the best values out there...so far anyway
I don't live in a refrigerator carton but for sure I'd be sleeping in the doghouse if I spent $400+ for a scope.
Priced at about half the cost of a top-quality rifle, these scopes seem to offer exceptional value. I have never believed that a scope should cost as much or more than the rifle.
Growing up, Leupold, Redfield, Lyman, Weaver were "good" scopes. The other "leading" brands were Tasco and Bushnell and could be had from Gibson's for $10 to $15. An El Paso, Texas built Weaver K4 was about $50 and considered VERY expensive! Leupold was probably $80 to $90 or better! LOL!!!
Scoped rifles were the exception rather than the rule! A rifle HAD to be drilled and tapped for a scope, they didn't come that way from the factory. Twenty-two's were just beginning to get the "ribs" for clamping a scope base to and a .22 scope was 3/4" tube.
Hunted with an older gent who had a M70 Winchester in .270 Win that was topped with a 4X "Kolmorgan"(sp?), the forerunner of Redfield!
Zeiss and Unertle were out there, but were considered "target" scopes and WAY too expensive for a hunting rifle! My parents were 9 and 10 when the Depression hit! My dad and grandad didn't just go out and spend money on a "scope" as long as they could see iron sights! My grandfather NEVER bought a "box" of ammo. Every two years he went to Babcock Bros on Spring St and bought seven .30-30 rounds. That allowed him one practice shot and killed 2 deer each year. LOL!!
HECK! My dad saved all year to afford a $25 annual hunting lease!
Bubba
Not everyone in Wyoming is a gun nut, consequently several locals have bought/built 6.5/.284s in the last few years primarily for elk. I think this is partially due to the "Best of the West" guys building and promoting this caliber as if it was their own discovery. Anyway those who just learned about a 6.5/.284 are astonished when I mumble something like "if a .270 will kill elk so will a 6.5/.284" or "I had one of those back in '75". The more things change the more they remain the...you know how that goes.
Carney,
You are very astute my friend!
WAM
I have admired the price of these for years, they look really good. I had thought that they were lower quality than they were. I will re-attack and maybe pick up a new scope for my Savage 99.
AKX
Excellent Dave, I for one appreciate a good bargain.
I've got a Bushnell 4200 on my .270, It has lost it's zero only once in three seasons, and just an inch at 100yds at that.
I can see far beyond legal shooting light.
I am in the market for another scope for another rifle.
1) how durable is the Minox?
2) what characteristics am I looking for when attempting to compare the optics?
Pogo also said "We have met the enemy, and he is us".
@David,
Thanks
Bah! Humbug!
Buy a Leupold!!
Bubba
I'm a big fan of Leupold, but nothing makes a company better than strong competition. Having choices in moderately priced decent scopes is a great thing. My last purchase was a Nikon because it was a better buy than the competitive Leupold.
David, thank you for writing about affordable gear. Have you turned over a new leaf? In the future however, please don't tell the manufacturer what you think the price ought to be. I wouldn't want them to get any ideas.
Now I just need that custom shop Remington 700 to put it on. . . .
these scopes seem to be the real deal from all reviews i have read. think i might have to spend some money
Dave, Those are no doubt nice scopes but you already sold me on Bushnell Elite 6500's. Have already bought 2 and mounted one on my ER Shaw 22-250 varmint rifle and the other on my new Vanguard 2 in 300 WBY. Will keep Minox in mind for future projects but it will have to come with a huge discount since I get the Elite's at a great price.
DEP - For a guy with fair eyesight, can you easily identify the markings on the parallax adjustment. Minox website doesn't really show any good images.
Dave, Can you tell us how much "play" there is fore and aft with the scope rings? Looks a bit short by the pics.
Dave,
Apologies not needed for writing about affordable gear. I'm braced for more!
AKX - You'd be a fool to not put that 1.5-8x32 on your '99, or any big game rifle, for that matter I might to the same.
If they had 1.5-8s years ago, no one I know would ever have a 3-9. I surely wouldn't. That scope would be on all of my rifles. I favor the lower end, and 8 is plenty for any big game hunting. If you don't think so, you know what I think of you.
To Oryx: The Zeiss Conquests are great scopes and great values. You're going to have to figure this one out yourself.
To Jim: Depends on the model. The one I have presented no problems.
To Jay: I don't think you'd have any problems. Minox is good at that kind of thing.
3kidsdad
I don't have a problem with competition, it's just that I've had such good performance and experiences with Leupold scopes, when the word "scope" comes to my mind, it automatically translates to "Leupold"!! LOL!!!
The "Bah! Humbug!" thing was more comedic relief than real. I DO have other scopes. I have a small collection (3) of Weaver K4's on various light rifles. A BSA on one .22 and a Simmons on another .22.
When it comes to a "serious" MEAT rifle, it gets a Leupold.
Bubba
Mr. Petzal...
What rifle are you planning on using these scopes on?
To Jason Hart: I have just the one scope, and have mounted it on my Nosler Model 48 6.5/284, which I'm taking elk hunting in September.
Mr. Petzal...
Best of luck in September!
Lots of brands mentioned, but I didn't see anyone bring up Vortex as a competitor. Thoughts on the quality of Vortex rifle scopes from anyone? I ask, as I purchased one this year for use on my new .300 win mag.
Got an Ol’Nichols 3x9 Widefield setting on top of my 22-250 for years now, should have bought the other 5!
6.5 for ELK?!? That's gonna blow some tops on here...
shane
As I understand it, the .264 Win Mag (6.5mm) is a whomper-stomper "ungulate" cartridge par excellance.
I'm just not a "Mag" fan!
Bully for those that are!
Bubba
I've been hunting deer and elk with a 6.5 Rem Mag for something like 40 years - the critters just die on the spot, and I have never used bullets heavier than 129 grains. This little cartridge got bad press in its early days due mainly to the short barrel guns it came in and the old Core-Lokt 100 and 120 grain bullets which acted more like varmint bullets than big game bullets at the velocities the 6.5 was capable of, particularly in longer barreled rifles. My Rem 700 has a 24 inch barrel and will approximate (usually beating) the ballistics of the 6.5-284 using IMR 4831. It is also a great varmint rig with 85 and 87 grain hollow points and shoots dime sized groups with these pills if I do my part, which is getting harder after all these years. Dave P - get an elk for us 6.5 fans and let us know how it all turns out.
264 Win Mag, look at the ballistics out to 1000 yards. One of the most flat shooting over the counter cartridges out dar!
I acquired a new Minox ZA5 2-10x40 BDC. No instructions were included on how to use the BDC reticle.Any help?
How does this 1.5-8x32 compare with the Bushnell Elite 6500 1.5-8x32? It's lighter for one thing, and better price, but the Elite would seem to have it beat on better eye relief, and possibly the rainguard. I think I'd get this one next time if not concerned about a lot of eye relief (says only ">4"), but run with the Nikon Slugmaster or Elite 6500 for BIG eye relief needed (AR15s, .45-70s, Scout mounted, etc.).
Fantastic. Looks like Leupold is in trouble. Well, if we had any sense, they would be. I've seen many scopes that are cheaper and yet optically superior.
Nice to see parts from Germany and assembled here. Honestly, they do almost everything better than us so it would be great if they were assembled there too, but them socialists have to pay their union scum quite a bit to do their unparalleled work...
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