



October 07, 2011
Two Knives to Get for 12/20/12
By David E. Petzal
I’ll spare you the usual litany of reasons why the world as we know it is coming unglued. Needless to say, you should be shopping for the occasion, and if you’re looking for a good fixed-blade knife, here are two that are so similar in purpose and construction that I decided to review them together.

The Ranger Puuko is made in Finland, where it was designed as a survival knife by a Finnish officer named J.P. Peltonen. The original Ranger has a 6-inch blade, but people noticed that if you lopped an inch off that, it would make a dandy hunting knife. And so the Ranger Puuko you see here has a 5-inch drop-point blade made of forged tool steel hardened to Rc 58 and coated with Teflon, a 5-inch handle of hardened rubber, and a totally cool leather sheath with a safety liner and an internal rubber keeper that snaps down on the handle and holds it firmly in place.
It’s not a pretty knife, or a finely finished one. It’s meant to be used very hard. The blade is thick and strong, sharpens very easily to a blood-curdling edge, and holds that edge reasonably well. The price for the either the 5-inch-blade Ranger or the 6-inch is $169.50 from kellamknives.com.
The second knife is a brand new one from Cold Steel, and can best be described as a Ka-Bar on steroids (pictured below). It’s called the Leatherneck SF (for “Semper Fi”) and follows the general lines of the Ka-Bar, but with improvements. The 6 ¾-inch blade is made of a steel called SK-5, which is the Japanese equivalent of American 1080, a high-carbon tool steel. It’s hardened to Rc57-58 and came to me with an appallingly sharp edge and kept it extremely well. As with the Ranger, this blade will rust, and so it, too, is coated.
There is a heavy double guard, swept forward to give you a little more space on the handle, which is grooved and textured and made of Kraton, and a forged buttcap which is fine for pounding tent stakes or reluctant privates first class. The sheath is a dandy; it’s a variation on Kydex, and snaps that knife into place like a cannon breech locking. The price is $89.99 at coldsteel.com.
How to choose? If you’re looking for a hunting knife that can do double duty as a survival/tactical knife, the Ranger Puuko is the way to go. If you have a big hand, you’ll like this one better as well. For a straight up tactical/survival knife, the Leatherneck is your baby (and the price doesn’t hurt, either).
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My experience with Finnish knives and Cold Steel have both been favorable. While the Finnish knife seems pricey I also have to say that every hunter needs one damn good knife and that Ranger Puuko would seem to fill that need. Thanks Dave for looking these over for us.
Both knives I'm sure are tough, but the Ranger looks like it would better suit a hunter. It's definitely pricey though..
This post was helpful but I'm really looking foward to next week. Those nuc's can be pesky and there really aren't any mulligans on disarming...
Is there a support group for folks who buy too many hunting knives? I need to join. Dave - you're what they call an "enabler".
I am one of the aforementioned knife nuts. I have four of the coldsteel knives. They are outstanding, can't beat em. Roll out the nukes tell me when and where.
I like the Coldsteel knives too. The Bolo Machete is a superior field survival tool and ideal for post-catastrophe multitasking.
There is no such thing as to many knives. Hell I could always use another good knife.
Kinfe #1 is far too ugly at that price point. In that range, it should look as good as it cuts/stabs/carves and fillets. I guess the import czar got ahold of those and taxed the crap out of them? I'll pass.
As for the Cold Steel...how do you improve upon a KBar?? Doesnt' sound like this modern variation is much better than the steel in the originals- and those are good steels. (And at a cheaper price point...at least the last time I checked.)
I'll stick with the American Classic. If it's good enough for our Marines, it's good enough for this city boy...
Will either of these do anything a 50 year old Marble's won't do?
I've got 4 Cold Steel knives now and recently bought two more for my kids, like them a lot.
I will keep my Buck 119 Special. never failed yet.
http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3994262&01...
Still reasonably price, Mine is 40 years old I don't remember the price thinking @ $29.95 or so.
Why don't you put the two together and put them in a set? Actually I've been drooling over a Puukko and Leuku Combination set on ragweedforge.com for a few years now. The set comes in a single sheath and is about $150 in stainless. Maybe Ragnar would put the ranger puuko in and make a get a Leuku with a Kraton handle; sure wouldn't be a pretty as the birch though.
a cold steal pendleton hunter lite can be found for 12 bucks and is a great knife. i even think F&S mentioned it once or twice. otherwise they have a few 12 dollar knives that are just amazing. i own a roach belly and man is that thing great. dont like the sheath so much...fits too loose.
I'll stick with my Ka-Bar.
Nothing against Cold Steel, but it's like they're trying to re-invent the wheel...
OMG!!! All you need for deer iS a Wyoming knife, and a Gerber T handle bone saw for the pelvic bone/chest cavity!!! anything else is over kill!!!
Combined weight on your belt is around 6-8 oz.!!!
Combined weight on your belt is around 6-8 oz.!!!
I have the same problem as Steve in Virginia. I had 11 the other week but know Im down to 9.
The Puuko looks like a "Frosts Mora Sweden" knife I purchased from a mail order co. It's a short stiff blade(Kolstal-High Carbon) that holds a good edge and easy to hone the edge when needed.
The Leatherneck SF looks cool, but I will stick to my K-Bar WWII repro...
Kraton is a better handle materiel than most anything I have found.
I received a custom "Robert Ball of Alaska" hunting knife as a gift last year, and of course, it is sensational, however the handle looks great but is very slippery when covered with blood.
Kraton is always very "grippy" I like that, especially when I'm working with a really sharp knife.
Leather handles are ok until they dry out hard as brick, same problem, slippery when wet.
AKX
That new Leatherneck knife looks like just the thing to put into my "zombie-bag" that hangs at the ready.
I'm sure that you all have something similar or maybe you should...
"you're not paranoid if they really are out to get you".
All the different knives to choose from, but not for this Hiawatha. My only carrying knife for many moons now has always been the Marine Ka-Bar, always faithful, strong and sure in whatever situation.
It fits my hands perfectly, has taken all kinds of use, hones to a fine edge and I've gutted & skinned every critter that have fallen harvest to my sporting endeavors. I couldn't ask for more than that in a carrying blade.
The Finnish product no doubt has admirable qualities, but without a substantial quard between the blade and the handle, it doesn't rate a 2nd glance with me!
I thought the picture didn't looked more like a 4-inch blade but the handle for big hands explains that. Good hunting knives nowadays usually come in the 4-inch blades and I prefer 5-inch ones. Also have big hands so God must mean for me to buy the Finn, even at an exorbitant price. It will go with the stainless Sako 85 He led me to on the sale rack at a local store. I have not NEEDED a new knife since I bought a 5-inch Buck in 1965.
I bought a Gerber s30v after it made the best of best list a couple years ago, I laid it down on the table to gut a deer for a 15 dollar carbon forged mora-like J. Martinni blade, the thinness of the knife and the edge angle made it a better tool for the task. What kind of knife does Amos use for elk?
To Bwana Hunter: I, too, used to think that a guard was an absolute necessity, but long ago changed my mind. The most famous guardless hunting knife is the Russell Canadian Belt Knife, and all but one of the Diamondblades are guardless.
Best no-guard story: During World War II, a gentleman named John Ek made a fighting knife (private purchase) with a distinctive handle he called the palm print. When he went to the War Production Board to get steel for his knives, the board said "Your design's no good; where's the guard?"
So Ek went out, reached under his car for a handful of grease, and with grease all over his hand, slammed his knife so hard into the hardwood floor that no one could pull it out. No more arguments about guards. Today, I believe that most fighting knives are made without guards, or have very small integral guards.
To Quiet Loner: To paraphrase William Munney, "Need's got nothin' to do with it."
If you want a fighting knife Either a K-Bar or
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250903607806
At that price I will have to stick with my Bucks, they have never let me down, my fixed blade or my 3 folding hunters.
I still have a Buck 110 that I bought in high school,a long,long time ago,it still works just fine, a Ka-Bar from a surplus shop bought about the same time,it still works fine,and some fixed blade knives my great grandfather made-he was a blacksmith-in the time before acetytelyne/oxygen/propane tanks were used in forges, and a fixed blade that an old gentelman in N.C. made from a leaf spring. Other than that,the newest knife that actually holds an edge is a $10.00 Schrade X-Timer folder,with clip,black blade,a non-slip grip,and waht seems to be decent steel. Got a Gerber Gator machete-that seems to be of decent quality too,other than a meat cleaver-I don't see the need for all the expensive knives-I'd rather spend the $$$ on rifles,ammo,scopes-the important stuff,that has to be quality,and isn't available for low cost.
*what*
davidpetzal
Good story about the reason guards are not needed on knives,the Eastwood quote fits nicely.
The older gentleman in N.C. who made my fixed blade knife out of a leaf spring,or part of one anyhow,had a similar opinon about guards on knives,he also said steel from leaf springs was the best available steel for knife blades. (This was before the current technology in blade steel was developed)
What is the best angle for a good edge on a hunting knife?
Dan_O
It depends on what type of edge the knife had in the first place, although I've found that for the most part as long as you can hold about a 15 degree angle while sharpening the blade,it gives you a very sharp edge.
I expect those prices will come down after 12/20/12.
as much as i hate to agree with someone from ohio (go blue!) i gotta agree with ohiodeerhunter. i think f/s focuses a little too much on pricier items, when really they should focus on value. not sure about the rest of the population, but i don't have $100+ for a knife, when i can get something that does the job well for around 20-30. i'll stick with my ka-bar.
My birthday is coming up and the ranger would be a nice present if anyone is wondering.
If it ain't CASE. I don;t need it.
I understand having paying a little extra for a well made blade but if I am going to pay over $75 or $150 on a knife I want it to look a little nicer then a Oyster Sucking Knife. Knives can be both a good looking accessories and an durable utility.
When I see Kabar I know right away it will be at least a good product. Maybe even great. Cold Steel honors Kabar with the Semper Fi copy. This Kabar will perform too. http://www.dealerease.net/catalog/printer-page.asp?cid=48842&pid=32096
And maybe start a arguement about what is best.
Ed Fox
For us old fashioned Deer hunters the Case Twin Finn will do very nicely too.. and talk about pretty! If you like the old classic anyway.
http://www.foxqualityknives.com/case-xx-twin-finn-hunting-knives
These knives are nice but I still just can not bring myself to carrying an expensive knife into the back country. I find myself checking to see if I have lost it all the time. However the cold steel is nice and I have had pretty good luck with them in the past.
Timo
http://www.rockymountainsurvival.com
THe Ranger Puuko looks really nice and recommended by someone who knows his knives but I can't get past the price.
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Is there a support group for folks who buy too many hunting knives? I need to join. Dave - you're what they call an "enabler".
There is no such thing as to many knives. Hell I could always use another good knife.
I like the Coldsteel knives too. The Bolo Machete is a superior field survival tool and ideal for post-catastrophe multitasking.
That new Leatherneck knife looks like just the thing to put into my "zombie-bag" that hangs at the ready.
I'm sure that you all have something similar or maybe you should...
"you're not paranoid if they really are out to get you".
Kinfe #1 is far too ugly at that price point. In that range, it should look as good as it cuts/stabs/carves and fillets. I guess the import czar got ahold of those and taxed the crap out of them? I'll pass.
As for the Cold Steel...how do you improve upon a KBar?? Doesnt' sound like this modern variation is much better than the steel in the originals- and those are good steels. (And at a cheaper price point...at least the last time I checked.)
I'll stick with the American Classic. If it's good enough for our Marines, it's good enough for this city boy...
The Puuko looks like a "Frosts Mora Sweden" knife I purchased from a mail order co. It's a short stiff blade(Kolstal-High Carbon) that holds a good edge and easy to hone the edge when needed.
The Leatherneck SF looks cool, but I will stick to my K-Bar WWII repro...
Will either of these do anything a 50 year old Marble's won't do?
davidpetzal
Good story about the reason guards are not needed on knives,the Eastwood quote fits nicely.
The older gentleman in N.C. who made my fixed blade knife out of a leaf spring,or part of one anyhow,had a similar opinon about guards on knives,he also said steel from leaf springs was the best available steel for knife blades. (This was before the current technology in blade steel was developed)
My experience with Finnish knives and Cold Steel have both been favorable. While the Finnish knife seems pricey I also have to say that every hunter needs one damn good knife and that Ranger Puuko would seem to fill that need. Thanks Dave for looking these over for us.
I am one of the aforementioned knife nuts. I have four of the coldsteel knives. They are outstanding, can't beat em. Roll out the nukes tell me when and where.
To Bwana Hunter: I, too, used to think that a guard was an absolute necessity, but long ago changed my mind. The most famous guardless hunting knife is the Russell Canadian Belt Knife, and all but one of the Diamondblades are guardless.
Best no-guard story: During World War II, a gentleman named John Ek made a fighting knife (private purchase) with a distinctive handle he called the palm print. When he went to the War Production Board to get steel for his knives, the board said "Your design's no good; where's the guard?"
So Ek went out, reached under his car for a handful of grease, and with grease all over his hand, slammed his knife so hard into the hardwood floor that no one could pull it out. No more arguments about guards. Today, I believe that most fighting knives are made without guards, or have very small integral guards.
To Quiet Loner: To paraphrase William Munney, "Need's got nothin' to do with it."
OMG!!! All you need for deer iS a Wyoming knife, and a Gerber T handle bone saw for the pelvic bone/chest cavity!!! anything else is over kill!!!
Combined weight on your belt is around 6-8 oz.!!!
Why don't you put the two together and put them in a set? Actually I've been drooling over a Puukko and Leuku Combination set on ragweedforge.com for a few years now. The set comes in a single sheath and is about $150 in stainless. Maybe Ragnar would put the ranger puuko in and make a get a Leuku with a Kraton handle; sure wouldn't be a pretty as the birch though.
I'll stick with my Ka-Bar.
Nothing against Cold Steel, but it's like they're trying to re-invent the wheel...
I thought the picture didn't looked more like a 4-inch blade but the handle for big hands explains that. Good hunting knives nowadays usually come in the 4-inch blades and I prefer 5-inch ones. Also have big hands so God must mean for me to buy the Finn, even at an exorbitant price. It will go with the stainless Sako 85 He led me to on the sale rack at a local store. I have not NEEDED a new knife since I bought a 5-inch Buck in 1965.
Kraton is a better handle materiel than most anything I have found.
I received a custom "Robert Ball of Alaska" hunting knife as a gift last year, and of course, it is sensational, however the handle looks great but is very slippery when covered with blood.
Kraton is always very "grippy" I like that, especially when I'm working with a really sharp knife.
Leather handles are ok until they dry out hard as brick, same problem, slippery when wet.
AKX
I've got 4 Cold Steel knives now and recently bought two more for my kids, like them a lot.
I will keep my Buck 119 Special. never failed yet.
a cold steal pendleton hunter lite can be found for 12 bucks and is a great knife. i even think F&S mentioned it once or twice. otherwise they have a few 12 dollar knives that are just amazing. i own a roach belly and man is that thing great. dont like the sheath so much...fits too loose.
I bought a Gerber s30v after it made the best of best list a couple years ago, I laid it down on the table to gut a deer for a 15 dollar carbon forged mora-like J. Martinni blade, the thinness of the knife and the edge angle made it a better tool for the task. What kind of knife does Amos use for elk?
At that price I will have to stick with my Bucks, they have never let me down, my fixed blade or my 3 folding hunters.
I still have a Buck 110 that I bought in high school,a long,long time ago,it still works just fine, a Ka-Bar from a surplus shop bought about the same time,it still works fine,and some fixed blade knives my great grandfather made-he was a blacksmith-in the time before acetytelyne/oxygen/propane tanks were used in forges, and a fixed blade that an old gentelman in N.C. made from a leaf spring. Other than that,the newest knife that actually holds an edge is a $10.00 Schrade X-Timer folder,with clip,black blade,a non-slip grip,and waht seems to be decent steel. Got a Gerber Gator machete-that seems to be of decent quality too,other than a meat cleaver-I don't see the need for all the expensive knives-I'd rather spend the $$$ on rifles,ammo,scopes-the important stuff,that has to be quality,and isn't available for low cost.
All the different knives to choose from, but not for this Hiawatha. My only carrying knife for many moons now has always been the Marine Ka-Bar, always faithful, strong and sure in whatever situation.
It fits my hands perfectly, has taken all kinds of use, hones to a fine edge and I've gutted & skinned every critter that have fallen harvest to my sporting endeavors. I couldn't ask for more than that in a carrying blade.
The Finnish product no doubt has admirable qualities, but without a substantial quard between the blade and the handle, it doesn't rate a 2nd glance with me!
When I see Kabar I know right away it will be at least a good product. Maybe even great. Cold Steel honors Kabar with the Semper Fi copy. This Kabar will perform too. http://www.dealerease.net/catalog/printer-page.asp?cid=48842&pid=32096
And maybe start a arguement about what is best.
Ed Fox
I have the same problem as Steve in Virginia. I had 11 the other week but know Im down to 9.
Both knives I'm sure are tough, but the Ranger looks like it would better suit a hunter. It's definitely pricey though..
This post was helpful but I'm really looking foward to next week. Those nuc's can be pesky and there really aren't any mulligans on disarming...
Combined weight on your belt is around 6-8 oz.!!!
http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3994262&01...
Still reasonably price, Mine is 40 years old I don't remember the price thinking @ $29.95 or so.
If you want a fighting knife Either a K-Bar or
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250903607806
If it ain't CASE. I don;t need it.
What is the best angle for a good edge on a hunting knife?
I expect those prices will come down after 12/20/12.
My birthday is coming up and the ranger would be a nice present if anyone is wondering.
*what*
Dan_O
It depends on what type of edge the knife had in the first place, although I've found that for the most part as long as you can hold about a 15 degree angle while sharpening the blade,it gives you a very sharp edge.
For us old fashioned Deer hunters the Case Twin Finn will do very nicely too.. and talk about pretty! If you like the old classic anyway.
http://www.foxqualityknives.com/case-xx-twin-finn-hunting-knives
as much as i hate to agree with someone from ohio (go blue!) i gotta agree with ohiodeerhunter. i think f/s focuses a little too much on pricier items, when really they should focus on value. not sure about the rest of the population, but i don't have $100+ for a knife, when i can get something that does the job well for around 20-30. i'll stick with my ka-bar.
I understand having paying a little extra for a well made blade but if I am going to pay over $75 or $150 on a knife I want it to look a little nicer then a Oyster Sucking Knife. Knives can be both a good looking accessories and an durable utility.
These knives are nice but I still just can not bring myself to carrying an expensive knife into the back country. I find myself checking to see if I have lost it all the time. However the cold steel is nice and I have had pretty good luck with them in the past.
Timo
http://www.rockymountainsurvival.com
THe Ranger Puuko looks really nice and recommended by someone who knows his knives but I can't get past the price.
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