


February 15, 2012
Another Reason to Go to the SCI Convention
by David E. Petzal

This particular incentive comes from D’Arcy Echols, maker of perfect rifles, and is a .505 Gibbs built on a Hartmann & Weiss Model 98 Magnum Mauser action with Echols’ own magazine assembly, bolt stop, barrel work, sights (pictured below) and, of course, stock. It’s what’s called a stopping rifle, and is intended to make large, unpleasant animals cease and desist whatever they are doing right this instant.
You can’t afford this rifle; however, if you will get off your dead ass and attend a Safari Club International convention, you can see it in person and perhaps handle it and maybe talk with Mr. Echols himself and tell him how much you admire his work*.

As I explained to a friend recently, the thing that sets SCI apart from other trade and gun shows is the fact that it’s comprised mostly of stuff you simply won’t see anywhere else.
Another example is taxidermy. With all due respect to Cabela’s, what you see in their stores is a bunch of dead animals standing around. What you see at SCI is in another realm altogether. The outstanding exhibit at this convention was a piece from Animal Artistry in Reno, and it stopped people dead in their tracks. It was a life-size mount of a bull bison with two arrows in his withers on the left side and one behind his right shoulder (which would kill him in time) rearing up on his hind legs and tossing an Indian pony and its rider. The pony is suspended horizontally across the bull’s head, and the Indian, lance in hand, is clinging to the horse’s back for dear life.
It is simply an astounding combination of mechanical ingenuity and aesthetic vision. How on earth did Animal Artistry do this? You are at liberty to contemplate this in person, but only if you go to SCI. So what if you can’t afford most of what you see? Neither can I. You don’t have to be able to in order to enjoy it. I bought a bag from Boyt (they have a monster sale there every year) for $100 and a knife from Knives of Alaska for $70, did not feel underprivileged, and look forward to going again.
*Custom rifle makers go to SCI to sell guns; it may be fun and games for you but for them it’s their living, so I am always careful to avoid taking their time if they’re talking to someone who is interested in giving them money. I had a long talk with D’Arcy, but it was at the end of the day when the hall was emptying out. I had passed by his booth several times and not stopped to visit because he was doing business.
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Very cool. I know nothing about dangerous game rifles, so are peep sights common on them? Any advantages/disadvantages to them?
Dave, How about a photo of that taxidermy. That sounds like something I would like to see. Seen a million nice gun photos over the years.
The KC Cabelas has two bull elephants locked in battle, a 16 ft croc with a Wildebeast in his jaws and a pride of lions pulling down a zebra stallion among others.
Dat dere is a ghost-ring sight. When you sight through them, you only see a blur, or "ghost" of the rear. You don't really register the rear sight, and concentrate on the front...the front sight and the big pissed-off animal bearing down on you aiming to turn you into red pulpy terra firma, that is.
Alas! I was born a poor white child, have spent my adult life wallowing in financial quicksand.
Nights have been spent trying to figure how to buy a new Beretta and still pay the mortgage and my monthly O-Club bill.
Hartmann & Weiss had their own booth with some beautiful firearms. I always make a list of the gun dealers and book dealers to visit first day. I think Mike Boyce would be happy to provide a picture of his buffalo mount if you called, or I could if you wish. Can not think of any legal issues to make him hesitant.
Sounds like a safari in itself. I prefer animals to people though. Not much for crowded venues. Let us know if the zombie/tactical crowd is making any incursions. I hope not. Something must remain sacred.
Ontario,
So far the zombie/tactical crowd is not around, keep a sense of humor and enjoy looking around. There are all kinds of seminars all day long on every subject under the sun. If I get tired, usually can find someone to prop my feet up with and exchange stories, then to bed early, don't hang around the evening auctions anymore.
Many feel attendees are not real hunters, not true, it is a chance to meet some world class hunters from all income levels.
So is it legal to stuff and mount dead Indians now? I do need to get up off my dead a** and onto my dying feet to see this. So the public can actually attend unlike the SHOT show? Do they have booth babes or do you just stare at the trophy wives?
I like the rear sight on that dangerous game rifle. My dad had one just like it on the A-5 he used for deer. And if nothing else I would love to shoot a .505 before I die. It couldn't damage my hearing much more and every other part of my body already hurts most of the time anyway...
Well hell it was over 11 days ago and it was in Vegas? Oh well the Chicken Ranch is still open...
Dave, I would love to attend but I would feel 'out-classed' for as you said the custom makers go to the SCI to sell guns.
I love the Echols rifle and beautiful sight, you said it is a Mauser Magnum action but the belly is fat like an Enfield. I guess another reason I should go to see it myself.
I think it's a dropped or extended magazine.
Moose, It's my understanding the best and fastest sights for dangerous game rifle are a shallow express V rear and/or a 1.5 or 2 power telescopic. At one time I considered peep rear sight after research. I wrote a letter to Guru Jim Carmichael for his input. The great and gracious man replied he thought a good 2x scope best and fastest followed by the shallow express V. If I recall correctly, the man wrote he considered modern scopes were so reliable making iron backup sights unnecessary.
Mr Carmichael also wrote I should learn all I could handling my 458 shooting reduced loads in many, many practice sessions to get my setup right and familiarity.
I found his advice good and on spot. Saved his letter, of course.
That rifle is beautiful; I'll take it in .416 Rigby
Dave, have you any experience with the Knives of Alaska? Most of the their models look like basic working knives, some with a little flair, but most made for field use.
That would be Jim "Carmichel"....just sayin'
Happy,
Now you really have me wanting to go to SCI next year!
b/r
WAM
I would like to see the bison display, too. Sounds pretty fantastic. In fact, I'd like to see you guys do a couple of posts on taxidermy. So much of what is done is pretty bad, but I've rarely read a good description of what to look for and how to make sure its done the right way. I've been lucky with the few mounts I have by seeing examples at friend's homes (NOT the examples the taxidermist shows on his floor) but I've seen some awful stuff (pun intended).
As for really fine guns, stopping or otherwise, I can only dream...someday.
Dave,
What model knife did you buy from Knives of Alaska?
Although I have had only a few experiences with hostile animals, but with countless less aggressive ones, I consider the "peep" sight in question the absolute BEST and FASTEST sight going! I've used all the others, and while they are all OK, my personal pick will always be the so-called "ghost ring". You can forget that it's even there and just shoot! I have even shot a few bird's out of the air with it. That said, if there is any significant distance or bad light involved, a LOW power 'scope is best.
My local Bass Pro has a buffalo wallow with 3 buffs but no stuffed Indians, horses or arrows for that matter.
Happy, While time does not allow me to read all the posts I always make time to read yours. You still have a standing invitation to hunt turkeys on my family farm in Kansas.
WA, I think your spelling "Carmichel" is correct, but on Google I've seen it spelled three others ways, always associated with OutDoor Life.
At least Poor Jim's last name doesn't have as many different spellings as "Quadafi". :-)
Sounds like the SCI convention is the stuff that dreams are made of. While I abhor crowds these days, being mesmerized by the suroundings would make it more tolerable. Any advice for someone making their first trip to this event?
That is a pretty rifle.
Mark-1
The only feller to get it spelled right all the time was Jim himself. Just becasue it is on the internet doesn't make it right. If you doubt that, see "Kardashian".
LOL,
WAM
This was my first SCI Convention. While wandering the aisles I was able to chit-chat with the likes of Boddington, Shockey, Eichler and many other well known names in the business. Being there very early in the day, before the crowds built-up, made them easy to approach. Bumped into several other people, including Mr. Petzal, throughout the day.
However, the highlight would be spending time with Happy Myles. That needs no explanation here. Only wish I had a second day but my wife had other plans.
Thank you all for the kind comments. Tom-Tom I abhor crowds too. Best way to have a good time is to plan ahead, otherwise the convention can be overwhelming. You may purchase day passes on site and stay at less expensive motels, have friends from Idaho, and Montana that do so, and it does not crimp their enjoyment. Or you may want to live in the land of Oz and stay at one of several Convention hotels. The easiest way is to buy a year membership to SCI they throw in a magazine subscription that besides being good reading, keeps you informed as to the what is being planned for the upcoming convention. You can then plan your attack ahead of schedule. The night before, I sit down with the list of exhibitors, reading where they are located and prioritize. Additionally, check on the seminars and where they are located.
Buckhunter and I communicate by phone when I can hear or feel mine vibrate. If all else fails give me a call and there are several booths that humor me by taking messages if you need information. Kindest Regards
WAM,
Wish you would attend, know we would have a good time. The RMEF shindig was in Vegas at the same time as SCI, kept everyone hopping. Jim Zumbo and I waved a Happy New Year going in opposite directions on escalators. Mark Bansner stopped me for a minute or two in the hallway, never got by his booth. It was that kind of a week.
HA! My post just disappeared and a banner appeared saying, "Comments may not contain obscene words"!
I did have the word "love", as in "I love that rifle". But I assure you it was not in some psychosexual sense...
I also had the word "period" spelled out for emphasis...
To Happy Myles: If you could get a photo of the bison mount that the bloggers could log onto, that would be great.
And generally: Yes, the rifle does have a dropped magazine, which contains I think 4 of those colossal rounds. And sometimes you need every one.
About the ghost sight: D'Arcy is unwilling to put a scope on a .458 Lott, or anything bigger, because he has yet to find a scope that will hold together under that kind of recoil. Having used both the shallow V and the ghost ring, I think the latter is a little faster, especially if your eyes are less than 20/20. A stopping rifle is used inside of 50 yards, more often 25 yards, so the last thing you need is magnification.
To Ralph and Deadly: I have lots and lots of experience with Knives of Alaska. Charles Allen, who runs it, is a former game biologist (from Texas) and current Alaska guide, and knows as much about what a knife should do in the field as anyone. Or more. They are all first-rate knives (at reasonable prices, too) and first-rate designs. The knife I bought was the Yukon Belt Knife, which is Charles' take on the Russel Belt Knife, of which I am a big fan.
The correct spelling of Carmichel is Carmichel, not Carmichael. The correct spelling of O'Connor is O'Connor, not O'Conner.
Good post, DP.
I first saw Jim's byline in 1981 so I'm now quite familiar with it. I was spelling it incorrectly at first.
It gets confusing because the songwriter Hoagy Carmichael, among others, has the "a" michael.
The artist Michelangelo is also a "Michel".
German newscasters say "Mihkhel" when talking about MichAel Schumacher. Maybe it's just the German pronunciation.
I remember reading that Finn Aagard's .458Win Mauser also had an aperture sight, but also had the original "military" (right-vertical-left) Mauser wing safety. (The rifle was probably a sporterized 98, but many original Oberndorff Mauser sporters were also sold with this military safety installed.) He recalled one time he brought the rifle to his shoulder to fire at an oncoming animal, only to see the safety in the middle or "up" position, not only unable to fire, but also blocking the peep. Fortunately, the day proceeded without much incident, but it sure was stressful.
The Model 70 style safety on this Echols rifle prevents the "blocked aperture" problem.
Ok, how much does it weigh?
To O Garcia: The Echols .505? I'd guess about 11 pounds. You couldn't get by with less.
Happy Myles, your counsel and advice are both wise and appreciated. Thank you, sir. Convincing my wife to come along will be a challenge, but so is turkey hunting with a stick and string.
Tom-Tom,
My wife did not go with me for over ten years, then when she begrudgingly tagged along I couldn't get anything done. She was dragging me off to art galleries, jewelry, clothes, taxidermy, and I can't remember what all. Do not recall if we bought anything, but the ladies seem to find lot's to look at and gossip about.
Dave; I went to the "knives of Alaska" site, and all seemed good stuff very reasonably priced, but frankly I am a Bowie man. I like Bowies. Except for my SOG PUP I can't seem to find a really good BOWIE for a primary knife (maybe 5 to 6 inches).
To Rocky Squirrel: The reason you can't find a good small Bowie is because it doesn't make a very good hunting knife. If you want one, the Ka-Bar is a good bet, but its blade is 7 inches.
Thanks Dave. I did ask.
Would that be because a Bowie knife by it's very nature is a large knife? A milspec Ka-bar is not much of a hunting knife either IMO.
I probably need to clarify., I always carry 2 hunting knives (OK sometimes a custom made skinner also). One is more of the traditional smaller one with a gut hook that I am sure many of you carry; and one is my Bowie. When the Lord deems me lucky enough to connect with an American whitetail, I use the smaller knife to open the carcass. Flip the critter on its side in any hill or grade and whack away at the viscera with the larger bowie. I then endeavor to flip it again and do the same. If I do it right, entrails and all fall out with little mess and blood on me. I currently have a CASE folding hunter for the gut hook and a SOG SEAL PUP for the bowie (not a traditional big bowie but of the same basic but smaller design). Both work very well together and am very happy with both, But the SOG has a serrated edge for 1/2 of the length and i have been half hearted looking for a bowie without they serrated edge. Like most of you, I am always looking to improve my gear, and this site sometimes has some excellent recommendations,
As for the K-Bar Bowie, I use the heck out of mine. Well made with a darn good blade that keeps coming back for more!
K-Bar has been making a BIGGER bowie..plan on gettin me one them, too!
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So is it legal to stuff and mount dead Indians now? I do need to get up off my dead a** and onto my dying feet to see this. So the public can actually attend unlike the SHOT show? Do they have booth babes or do you just stare at the trophy wives?
I like the rear sight on that dangerous game rifle. My dad had one just like it on the A-5 he used for deer. And if nothing else I would love to shoot a .505 before I die. It couldn't damage my hearing much more and every other part of my body already hurts most of the time anyway...
Well hell it was over 11 days ago and it was in Vegas? Oh well the Chicken Ranch is still open...
Thank you all for the kind comments. Tom-Tom I abhor crowds too. Best way to have a good time is to plan ahead, otherwise the convention can be overwhelming. You may purchase day passes on site and stay at less expensive motels, have friends from Idaho, and Montana that do so, and it does not crimp their enjoyment. Or you may want to live in the land of Oz and stay at one of several Convention hotels. The easiest way is to buy a year membership to SCI they throw in a magazine subscription that besides being good reading, keeps you informed as to the what is being planned for the upcoming convention. You can then plan your attack ahead of schedule. The night before, I sit down with the list of exhibitors, reading where they are located and prioritize. Additionally, check on the seminars and where they are located.
Buckhunter and I communicate by phone when I can hear or feel mine vibrate. If all else fails give me a call and there are several booths that humor me by taking messages if you need information. Kindest Regards
Although I have had only a few experiences with hostile animals, but with countless less aggressive ones, I consider the "peep" sight in question the absolute BEST and FASTEST sight going! I've used all the others, and while they are all OK, my personal pick will always be the so-called "ghost ring". You can forget that it's even there and just shoot! I have even shot a few bird's out of the air with it. That said, if there is any significant distance or bad light involved, a LOW power 'scope is best.
Sounds like a safari in itself. I prefer animals to people though. Not much for crowded venues. Let us know if the zombie/tactical crowd is making any incursions. I hope not. Something must remain sacred.
Dat dere is a ghost-ring sight. When you sight through them, you only see a blur, or "ghost" of the rear. You don't really register the rear sight, and concentrate on the front...the front sight and the big pissed-off animal bearing down on you aiming to turn you into red pulpy terra firma, that is.
To Happy Myles: If you could get a photo of the bison mount that the bloggers could log onto, that would be great.
And generally: Yes, the rifle does have a dropped magazine, which contains I think 4 of those colossal rounds. And sometimes you need every one.
About the ghost sight: D'Arcy is unwilling to put a scope on a .458 Lott, or anything bigger, because he has yet to find a scope that will hold together under that kind of recoil. Having used both the shallow V and the ghost ring, I think the latter is a little faster, especially if your eyes are less than 20/20. A stopping rifle is used inside of 50 yards, more often 25 yards, so the last thing you need is magnification.
To Ralph and Deadly: I have lots and lots of experience with Knives of Alaska. Charles Allen, who runs it, is a former game biologist (from Texas) and current Alaska guide, and knows as much about what a knife should do in the field as anyone. Or more. They are all first-rate knives (at reasonable prices, too) and first-rate designs. The knife I bought was the Yukon Belt Knife, which is Charles' take on the Russel Belt Knife, of which I am a big fan.
The correct spelling of Carmichel is Carmichel, not Carmichael. The correct spelling of O'Connor is O'Connor, not O'Conner.
HA! My post just disappeared and a banner appeared saying, "Comments may not contain obscene words"!
I did have the word "love", as in "I love that rifle". But I assure you it was not in some psychosexual sense...
I also had the word "period" spelled out for emphasis...
That would be Jim "Carmichel"....just sayin'
Mark-1
The only feller to get it spelled right all the time was Jim himself. Just becasue it is on the internet doesn't make it right. If you doubt that, see "Kardashian".
LOL,
WAM
Alas! I was born a poor white child, have spent my adult life wallowing in financial quicksand.
Nights have been spent trying to figure how to buy a new Beretta and still pay the mortgage and my monthly O-Club bill.
Ontario,
So far the zombie/tactical crowd is not around, keep a sense of humor and enjoy looking around. There are all kinds of seminars all day long on every subject under the sun. If I get tired, usually can find someone to prop my feet up with and exchange stories, then to bed early, don't hang around the evening auctions anymore.
Many feel attendees are not real hunters, not true, it is a chance to meet some world class hunters from all income levels.
WAM,
Wish you would attend, know we would have a good time. The RMEF shindig was in Vegas at the same time as SCI, kept everyone hopping. Jim Zumbo and I waved a Happy New Year going in opposite directions on escalators. Mark Bansner stopped me for a minute or two in the hallway, never got by his booth. It was that kind of a week.
This was my first SCI Convention. While wandering the aisles I was able to chit-chat with the likes of Boddington, Shockey, Eichler and many other well known names in the business. Being there very early in the day, before the crowds built-up, made them easy to approach. Bumped into several other people, including Mr. Petzal, throughout the day.
However, the highlight would be spending time with Happy Myles. That needs no explanation here. Only wish I had a second day but my wife had other plans.
That rifle is beautiful; I'll take it in .416 Rigby
Dave, have you any experience with the Knives of Alaska? Most of the their models look like basic working knives, some with a little flair, but most made for field use.
I would like to see the bison display, too. Sounds pretty fantastic. In fact, I'd like to see you guys do a couple of posts on taxidermy. So much of what is done is pretty bad, but I've rarely read a good description of what to look for and how to make sure its done the right way. I've been lucky with the few mounts I have by seeing examples at friend's homes (NOT the examples the taxidermist shows on his floor) but I've seen some awful stuff (pun intended).
As for really fine guns, stopping or otherwise, I can only dream...someday.
Happy,
Now you really have me wanting to go to SCI next year!
b/r
WAM
Dave, I would love to attend but I would feel 'out-classed' for as you said the custom makers go to the SCI to sell guns.
I love the Echols rifle and beautiful sight, you said it is a Mauser Magnum action but the belly is fat like an Enfield. I guess another reason I should go to see it myself.
Dave, How about a photo of that taxidermy. That sounds like something I would like to see. Seen a million nice gun photos over the years.
The KC Cabelas has two bull elephants locked in battle, a 16 ft croc with a Wildebeast in his jaws and a pride of lions pulling down a zebra stallion among others.
My local Bass Pro has a buffalo wallow with 3 buffs but no stuffed Indians, horses or arrows for that matter.
Happy, While time does not allow me to read all the posts I always make time to read yours. You still have a standing invitation to hunt turkeys on my family farm in Kansas.
Moose, It's my understanding the best and fastest sights for dangerous game rifle are a shallow express V rear and/or a 1.5 or 2 power telescopic. At one time I considered peep rear sight after research. I wrote a letter to Guru Jim Carmichael for his input. The great and gracious man replied he thought a good 2x scope best and fastest followed by the shallow express V. If I recall correctly, the man wrote he considered modern scopes were so reliable making iron backup sights unnecessary.
Mr Carmichael also wrote I should learn all I could handling my 458 shooting reduced loads in many, many practice sessions to get my setup right and familiarity.
I found his advice good and on spot. Saved his letter, of course.
WA, I think your spelling "Carmichel" is correct, but on Google I've seen it spelled three others ways, always associated with OutDoor Life.
At least Poor Jim's last name doesn't have as many different spellings as "Quadafi". :-)
Good post, DP.
Hartmann & Weiss had their own booth with some beautiful firearms. I always make a list of the gun dealers and book dealers to visit first day. I think Mike Boyce would be happy to provide a picture of his buffalo mount if you called, or I could if you wish. Can not think of any legal issues to make him hesitant.
Tom-Tom,
My wife did not go with me for over ten years, then when she begrudgingly tagged along I couldn't get anything done. She was dragging me off to art galleries, jewelry, clothes, taxidermy, and I can't remember what all. Do not recall if we bought anything, but the ladies seem to find lot's to look at and gossip about.
Dave,
What model knife did you buy from Knives of Alaska?
I think it's a dropped or extended magazine.
Sounds like the SCI convention is the stuff that dreams are made of. While I abhor crowds these days, being mesmerized by the suroundings would make it more tolerable. Any advice for someone making their first trip to this event?
Very cool. I know nothing about dangerous game rifles, so are peep sights common on them? Any advantages/disadvantages to them?
That is a pretty rifle.
To O Garcia: The Echols .505? I'd guess about 11 pounds. You couldn't get by with less.
To Rocky Squirrel: The reason you can't find a good small Bowie is because it doesn't make a very good hunting knife. If you want one, the Ka-Bar is a good bet, but its blade is 7 inches.
Would that be because a Bowie knife by it's very nature is a large knife? A milspec Ka-bar is not much of a hunting knife either IMO.
As for the K-Bar Bowie, I use the heck out of mine. Well made with a darn good blade that keeps coming back for more!
K-Bar has been making a BIGGER bowie..plan on gettin me one them, too!
I first saw Jim's byline in 1981 so I'm now quite familiar with it. I was spelling it incorrectly at first.
It gets confusing because the songwriter Hoagy Carmichael, among others, has the "a" michael.
The artist Michelangelo is also a "Michel".
German newscasters say "Mihkhel" when talking about MichAel Schumacher. Maybe it's just the German pronunciation.
I remember reading that Finn Aagard's .458Win Mauser also had an aperture sight, but also had the original "military" (right-vertical-left) Mauser wing safety. (The rifle was probably a sporterized 98, but many original Oberndorff Mauser sporters were also sold with this military safety installed.) He recalled one time he brought the rifle to his shoulder to fire at an oncoming animal, only to see the safety in the middle or "up" position, not only unable to fire, but also blocking the peep. Fortunately, the day proceeded without much incident, but it sure was stressful.
The Model 70 style safety on this Echols rifle prevents the "blocked aperture" problem.
Ok, how much does it weigh?
Happy Myles, your counsel and advice are both wise and appreciated. Thank you, sir. Convincing my wife to come along will be a challenge, but so is turkey hunting with a stick and string.
Dave; I went to the "knives of Alaska" site, and all seemed good stuff very reasonably priced, but frankly I am a Bowie man. I like Bowies. Except for my SOG PUP I can't seem to find a really good BOWIE for a primary knife (maybe 5 to 6 inches).
Thanks Dave. I did ask.
I probably need to clarify., I always carry 2 hunting knives (OK sometimes a custom made skinner also). One is more of the traditional smaller one with a gut hook that I am sure many of you carry; and one is my Bowie. When the Lord deems me lucky enough to connect with an American whitetail, I use the smaller knife to open the carcass. Flip the critter on its side in any hill or grade and whack away at the viscera with the larger bowie. I then endeavor to flip it again and do the same. If I do it right, entrails and all fall out with little mess and blood on me. I currently have a CASE folding hunter for the gut hook and a SOG SEAL PUP for the bowie (not a traditional big bowie but of the same basic but smaller design). Both work very well together and am very happy with both, But the SOG has a serrated edge for 1/2 of the length and i have been half hearted looking for a bowie without they serrated edge. Like most of you, I am always looking to improve my gear, and this site sometimes has some excellent recommendations,
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