


February 21, 2012
George Lucas Says Greedo Always Shot First
by Phil Bourjaily

George Lucas isn’t content to tarnish the magic of the original Star Wars by making three boring, witless prequels (not to mention ruining the end of the original trilogy by filling it with Ewoks). Now he has to keep trying to ruin the first movie, too, with his weird insistence that Greedo shot first.
You remember the scene: we meet smuggler Han Solo in a dark bar full of aliens, one of whom, a bounty hunter who looks like the child of a pig and a green blowfish, stops him at blaster-point demanding the money Solo owes to crime boss Jabba the Hut. Solo, who knows Greedo is going to kill him, sneaks his blaster out its holster and shoots first. The scene perfectly establishes Solo as a cool, crafty survivor and a scoundrel.
Since then, Lucas has twice digitally altered the original. For the first rerelease, he made Greedo shoot first, missing wildly, before Han shot him. Since that raised the question, “why would a professional bounty hunter miss at three feet?” the second time Lucas digitally altered the move, he actually moved Solo’s head sideways to make him dodge the blast before shooting back. Why?
"We like to think of [Han Solo] as a murderer because that's hip -- I don't think that's a good thing for people. I mean, I don't see how you could redeem somebody who kills people in cold blood," said Lucas in one interview, defending the change.
His new line is, Greedo always shot first. Recently he said:
"The controversy over who shot first, Greedo or Han Solo, in Episode IV, what I did was try to clean up the confusion, but obviously it upset people because they wanted Solo [who seemed to be the one who shot first in the original] to be a cold-blooded killer, but he actually isn’t. It had been done in all close-ups and it was confusing about who did what to whom. I put a little wider shot in there that made it clear that Greedo is the one who shot first, but everyone wanted to think that Han shot first, because they wanted to think that he actually just gunned him down."
Of course we want to think Han just gunned him down, don’t we?
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Han shot first. If he didn't, why the elaborate scene immediately preceding the shooting where Greedo has a blaster pointed at Han, while Han secretly unholsters his own blaster.
Now Lucas feels bad about it, so he tries to rewrite ancient history. (The whole event happened long, long ago, and far, far away). Tell Lucas to stop his mind tricks. These are the droids we're looking for!
Haven't been in any gunfights but I bet you don't win them by letting the other guy shoot first.
Summer, 1977. Satellite Twin movie theater. Norman, Oklahoma. Screen one. Tenth, maybe eleventh row back.
I was there, man. And Han most definitely shot first.
But not to worry. Under Oklahoma's "Make My Day" law, it was completely justifiable. And completely cool.
What can you expect? They tried to make the FBI agents in ET have flashlights instead of guns not too long ago. They need to leave these classics alone.
I'm astounded that Lucas would even care. What should he (or anyone else) care about how an audience perceives a fictional character? It's not like there were crowds of people protesting Greedo's murder.
I demand a Congressional Investigation!!!!
Of course Lucas is trying to whitewash history now. His libby buddies gave him enough crap about letting Han be a bad mamma-jamma that he had to try and mess the whole thing up. Greedo was bad at his job, simple as that. Otherwise Han would have been the one that left in the body bag.
If someone was pointing a gun at me, I would try to shoot first. More than enough justification.
By the way, how did Han Solo get a Mauser C-96 in whichever planet and age he was in?
Please, read my blog. Just google "A Wild Beast at Heart".
Greedo sucked.
Perhaps Mr. Lucas chose to ignore the classic scene bathtub from from The Good, The Bad and The Ugly and the line, "If you're gonna' shoot somebody, shoot, don't talk about it". And just in case you are reading this, George, should you tire of gazing on your original oil painting entitled, "Only A Poor Old Man", by Carl Barks, I would gladly drive out your way and pick it up, saving you the expense of packing and shipping.
"I don't see how you could redeem somebody who kills people in cold blood"
this is not cold blood, its called "justifiable homicide"
This is nothing but blatant subterfuge. If you watch the original film, Greedo is propelled TOWARDS Solo at the shot. Solo was always considered a poor shot, and I find it impossible to believe that he could have unholstered his inaccurate, Clone-War era blaster, aimed it through the table, and fired the killing shot in that amount of time.
Examine the film! Greedo slumps:
"Down; and to the table."
"Down; and to the table."
"Down; and to the table."
That shot came from an Imperial Stormtrooper dressed to look like a band member, and firing from behind. They wanted Solo to get the princess, blow up the Death Star and ultimately get rid of Vader and the Emperor, because this whole "Dark Side" crap was cutting into their profits.
Bada-bing, Bantha poo-doo! Solo was a patsy.
I love starwars...but really...Who in the F cares???
Really? This is a topic of discussion? That's about the only thing more lame than Lucas tampering with a finished movie to be more politically correct.
What's next? Mark Twain removing the N word from Huck Finn?
By the way, since I have chimed in, I'll add my vote for Oryx's interpretation. There wasn't a grassy knoll in the bar scene was there?
If we are going to talk about George Lucas messing up movies I would like to point out the new end of episode VI. I personally think that replacing Darth Vader's ghost with Hayden Christiansen is perhaps the greatest insult/atrocity.
I'm just shocked that Lucas cares so much. After all, what is the penalty for shooting an avocado? And why should anyone care that Solo didn't let the avocado draw first? In my opinion, all Solo is guilty of is making chip dip without a chef's license.
Probably the worst outcome of the prequels (aside from Jar-Jar) is that Lucas was able to reduce the otherwise amazing Natalie Portman (watch the 11-year old Portman in Luc Besson's "Leon", the precursor of "Colombiana") into "Oh Anakin, you're breaking my heart". How did the smart, biting dialogue of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher lead to this syrupy mess?
I agree about the alterations, including the use of Hayden Christiansen's ghost image at the end in the DVD version of "Jedi". What really pisses me off about that alteration is, the actor who provided the face of Darth Vader had already died by the time the DVD's came out, and the director of Return of the Jedi had also died. While Lucas was the producer and the owner of the story and franchise, I think it is disrespectful of him to alter another director's work, especially one who can no longer protest.
(Strange character, this Darth Vader. It took 6 actors/performers to portray him. James Earl Jones (voice as Vader, and the one who gets most credit in the minds of fans), David Prowse (physical portrayal as Vader), Bob Anderson (stunt swordplay), Sebastian Shaw (face), Jake Lloyd and Hayden Christiansen (as Anakin Skywalker in the prequels).
George Lucas is the most overrated director in cinema. Even though his most significant contributions to cinema were his pushing for THX standard sound and for advancement of CGI (through his ILM company) he is still regarded by his soulmates in Hollywood as a top "director". The only good film he made was "American Graffiti".
Also, the heirs of Clarence "Kelly" Jones and his design team at Lockheed should sue Lucas for stealing the design of the SR-71 in the prequels.
Hans shot FIRST, and GREEDO deserved to die.
That's how I call it!
I loved Star Wars as a kid but to be honest I left it behind when I first saw Kurosawa these guys just stole mercilessly from him
Kansasjeff,
True. Star Wars was either a remake of "Hidden Fortress" (Kurosawa) or an adaptation of the Lord of The Rings (the book by Tolkien).
Michael Corleone: I know it was you, Greedo. You broke my heart. You broke my heart!
"The scene perfectly establishes Solo as a cool, crafty survivor and a scoundrel."
George, you made it and we loved it; now either leave it alone, make something new (there are plenty of other Kurosawa films to copy) or just spend your money and be happy. These are not the sensibilities we're looking for.
So what does this have to do with shotguns and bird shooting? Next, I suppose, DP will be showing us hand stitching with his Singer sewing machine. I like Band of Brothers now that was a real movie. "Sobal, you solute the office not the man." :)
In my school system here and in the libraries you have to make a special request to get Huck Finn and certain other politically incorrect books if you want to read them. And in answer to what does this have to do with firearms? Why the move to restrict knowledge available to people and to make certain items socially unacceptable for people to do, say or advocate for. Example in the school system here you may not wear anything or have anything in your possession as a student that in any way promotes the use of firearms. Anything means a hunting tee shirt or a hunting book etc.
Just wait til the new JJ Abrams remakes them in 50 years. Kind of a scary proposition.
Matt Dillion is the only verified gunfighter to shoot second and win. Hans shot first!
fousfront, man you have a fabulous sense of humor!
Kansasjeff, O Garcia, while I'm no George Lucas fan, for a number of reasons, in his defense I think I do recall him stating in interviews that much of the Star Wars mythos was inspired (or ripped-off, if you prefer) from Akira Kurosawa's work.
Which is nothing particularly new, of course, as Kurosawa was without question one of the most important influences on any number of American directors and screenwriters.
And in fairness, some of Kurosawa's work was influenced much by earlier scribes, both Japanese and western. For instance, the pretty obvious "Ran/Shakespeare" similarities.
Dig deeply enough, and everything is deriviative in one way or another...
And for the record, "Ran" is one of my favorite Kurosawa flicks...
George Lucas I believe was a dedicated Joseph Campbell student. The Star Wars story line follows an outline of "Hero w/1000 Faces" and "Mythic Image" religiously.
Dah puko enbala com de pookie is all I am going to say...
Han, mah bukee, keel-ee caleya ku kah. Wanta dah moole-rah? Wonkee chee sa crispa con Greedo?
Translation:
"Han, my boy, you disappoint me. Why haven't you paid me? And why did you fry poor Greedo?"
Uh, come back, Beekeeper. You're breaking up.
Kinda ridiculous thing to argue about, a fictional shooting in a movie, BUT:
I think the best way to describe this is Han covertly drew his sidearm under cover of table in fear of his life - self defense, acting under belief Gredo was about to do him grievous harm.. When Gredo DREW his weapon to inflict that harm Han fired. Gredo's body convulsed from mortal wound and his shot, fired micro-seconds AFTERWARD, went wide. Clear cut justifiable case of self defense. Good Shoot. That's how I believe it would go down in an Arizona courtroom anyway. On Tatooni or whatever, it's up to writer's imagination.
To me Lucas makes a mistake altering the original even for better special effects. People don't like to see classics yutzed with.
Steamed Blow Fish for lunch everybody!
A Hollywood libby director cum history revisionist? why am I not surprised.
Any of us who were alive in 1977 knows that Solo shot first.
Lucas has good reasons to change the scene. To make it appeal to the changing tastes of the movie watching and buying public. That's why the call it the movie BUSINESS. You make your product appeal to the widest market possible.
Don't forget you can have it both ways. A version for the people who want to have Solo blast Greedo first and a version that has him merely defending himself. And obsessive fan types who must have both versions in their collection. So you just sold four copies of the same movie to three people.
Who shot J.R. thats the real question.
Greedo had the drop on Han, and he managed to get the first shot in anyways, it was self defense and a justifiable homicide, case closed.
Hey George Lucas , Tell somebody who gives a FU@$%%%^#$@ Like Obama !!!! or mabee Michelle ?
PB,
I don't think the topic was well recieved,,,,
1977 I saw this flick 7 times. it always turned out the same. greedo's shot was thrown off by han's shot in self defense. that is why greedo missed at 3 feet!! han shot first, no question. play with it all you like lucas but we saw it happen and for those of us who have the tapes and a way to play it and go slow mo on it can attest to that fact no matter what you do with it. only the younger generation who are addicted to dvd will be fooled as they grow up watching the movie that you have so laboriously mangled.
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Han shot first. If he didn't, why the elaborate scene immediately preceding the shooting where Greedo has a blaster pointed at Han, while Han secretly unholsters his own blaster.
Now Lucas feels bad about it, so he tries to rewrite ancient history. (The whole event happened long, long ago, and far, far away). Tell Lucas to stop his mind tricks. These are the droids we're looking for!
Haven't been in any gunfights but I bet you don't win them by letting the other guy shoot first.
This is nothing but blatant subterfuge. If you watch the original film, Greedo is propelled TOWARDS Solo at the shot. Solo was always considered a poor shot, and I find it impossible to believe that he could have unholstered his inaccurate, Clone-War era blaster, aimed it through the table, and fired the killing shot in that amount of time.
Examine the film! Greedo slumps:
"Down; and to the table."
"Down; and to the table."
"Down; and to the table."
That shot came from an Imperial Stormtrooper dressed to look like a band member, and firing from behind. They wanted Solo to get the princess, blow up the Death Star and ultimately get rid of Vader and the Emperor, because this whole "Dark Side" crap was cutting into their profits.
Bada-bing, Bantha poo-doo! Solo was a patsy.
"The scene perfectly establishes Solo as a cool, crafty survivor and a scoundrel."
George, you made it and we loved it; now either leave it alone, make something new (there are plenty of other Kurosawa films to copy) or just spend your money and be happy. These are not the sensibilities we're looking for.
Summer, 1977. Satellite Twin movie theater. Norman, Oklahoma. Screen one. Tenth, maybe eleventh row back.
I was there, man. And Han most definitely shot first.
But not to worry. Under Oklahoma's "Make My Day" law, it was completely justifiable. And completely cool.
Hans shot FIRST, and GREEDO deserved to die.
That's how I call it!
In my school system here and in the libraries you have to make a special request to get Huck Finn and certain other politically incorrect books if you want to read them. And in answer to what does this have to do with firearms? Why the move to restrict knowledge available to people and to make certain items socially unacceptable for people to do, say or advocate for. Example in the school system here you may not wear anything or have anything in your possession as a student that in any way promotes the use of firearms. Anything means a hunting tee shirt or a hunting book etc.
Kansasjeff, O Garcia, while I'm no George Lucas fan, for a number of reasons, in his defense I think I do recall him stating in interviews that much of the Star Wars mythos was inspired (or ripped-off, if you prefer) from Akira Kurosawa's work.
Which is nothing particularly new, of course, as Kurosawa was without question one of the most important influences on any number of American directors and screenwriters.
And in fairness, some of Kurosawa's work was influenced much by earlier scribes, both Japanese and western. For instance, the pretty obvious "Ran/Shakespeare" similarities.
Dig deeply enough, and everything is deriviative in one way or another...
And for the record, "Ran" is one of my favorite Kurosawa flicks...
Kinda ridiculous thing to argue about, a fictional shooting in a movie, BUT:
I think the best way to describe this is Han covertly drew his sidearm under cover of table in fear of his life - self defense, acting under belief Gredo was about to do him grievous harm.. When Gredo DREW his weapon to inflict that harm Han fired. Gredo's body convulsed from mortal wound and his shot, fired micro-seconds AFTERWARD, went wide. Clear cut justifiable case of self defense. Good Shoot. That's how I believe it would go down in an Arizona courtroom anyway. On Tatooni or whatever, it's up to writer's imagination.
To me Lucas makes a mistake altering the original even for better special effects. People don't like to see classics yutzed with.
Steamed Blow Fish for lunch everybody!
What can you expect? They tried to make the FBI agents in ET have flashlights instead of guns not too long ago. They need to leave these classics alone.
Of course Lucas is trying to whitewash history now. His libby buddies gave him enough crap about letting Han be a bad mamma-jamma that he had to try and mess the whole thing up. Greedo was bad at his job, simple as that. Otherwise Han would have been the one that left in the body bag.
I love starwars...but really...Who in the F cares???
Really? This is a topic of discussion? That's about the only thing more lame than Lucas tampering with a finished movie to be more politically correct.
What's next? Mark Twain removing the N word from Huck Finn?
By the way, since I have chimed in, I'll add my vote for Oryx's interpretation. There wasn't a grassy knoll in the bar scene was there?
I'm just shocked that Lucas cares so much. After all, what is the penalty for shooting an avocado? And why should anyone care that Solo didn't let the avocado draw first? In my opinion, all Solo is guilty of is making chip dip without a chef's license.
I loved Star Wars as a kid but to be honest I left it behind when I first saw Kurosawa these guys just stole mercilessly from him
Michael Corleone: I know it was you, Greedo. You broke my heart. You broke my heart!
So what does this have to do with shotguns and bird shooting? Next, I suppose, DP will be showing us hand stitching with his Singer sewing machine. I like Band of Brothers now that was a real movie. "Sobal, you solute the office not the man." :)
Who shot J.R. thats the real question.
I'm astounded that Lucas would even care. What should he (or anyone else) care about how an audience perceives a fictional character? It's not like there were crowds of people protesting Greedo's murder.
I demand a Congressional Investigation!!!!
If someone was pointing a gun at me, I would try to shoot first. More than enough justification.
By the way, how did Han Solo get a Mauser C-96 in whichever planet and age he was in?
Please, read my blog. Just google "A Wild Beast at Heart".
Greedo sucked.
Perhaps Mr. Lucas chose to ignore the classic scene bathtub from from The Good, The Bad and The Ugly and the line, "If you're gonna' shoot somebody, shoot, don't talk about it". And just in case you are reading this, George, should you tire of gazing on your original oil painting entitled, "Only A Poor Old Man", by Carl Barks, I would gladly drive out your way and pick it up, saving you the expense of packing and shipping.
"I don't see how you could redeem somebody who kills people in cold blood"
this is not cold blood, its called "justifiable homicide"
If we are going to talk about George Lucas messing up movies I would like to point out the new end of episode VI. I personally think that replacing Darth Vader's ghost with Hayden Christiansen is perhaps the greatest insult/atrocity.
Probably the worst outcome of the prequels (aside from Jar-Jar) is that Lucas was able to reduce the otherwise amazing Natalie Portman (watch the 11-year old Portman in Luc Besson's "Leon", the precursor of "Colombiana") into "Oh Anakin, you're breaking my heart". How did the smart, biting dialogue of Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher lead to this syrupy mess?
I agree about the alterations, including the use of Hayden Christiansen's ghost image at the end in the DVD version of "Jedi". What really pisses me off about that alteration is, the actor who provided the face of Darth Vader had already died by the time the DVD's came out, and the director of Return of the Jedi had also died. While Lucas was the producer and the owner of the story and franchise, I think it is disrespectful of him to alter another director's work, especially one who can no longer protest.
(Strange character, this Darth Vader. It took 6 actors/performers to portray him. James Earl Jones (voice as Vader, and the one who gets most credit in the minds of fans), David Prowse (physical portrayal as Vader), Bob Anderson (stunt swordplay), Sebastian Shaw (face), Jake Lloyd and Hayden Christiansen (as Anakin Skywalker in the prequels).
George Lucas is the most overrated director in cinema. Even though his most significant contributions to cinema were his pushing for THX standard sound and for advancement of CGI (through his ILM company) he is still regarded by his soulmates in Hollywood as a top "director". The only good film he made was "American Graffiti".
Also, the heirs of Clarence "Kelly" Jones and his design team at Lockheed should sue Lucas for stealing the design of the SR-71 in the prequels.
Kansasjeff,
True. Star Wars was either a remake of "Hidden Fortress" (Kurosawa) or an adaptation of the Lord of The Rings (the book by Tolkien).
Just wait til the new JJ Abrams remakes them in 50 years. Kind of a scary proposition.
Matt Dillion is the only verified gunfighter to shoot second and win. Hans shot first!
fousfront, man you have a fabulous sense of humor!
George Lucas I believe was a dedicated Joseph Campbell student. The Star Wars story line follows an outline of "Hero w/1000 Faces" and "Mythic Image" religiously.
Dah puko enbala com de pookie is all I am going to say...
Han, mah bukee, keel-ee caleya ku kah. Wanta dah moole-rah? Wonkee chee sa crispa con Greedo?
Translation:
"Han, my boy, you disappoint me. Why haven't you paid me? And why did you fry poor Greedo?"
Uh, come back, Beekeeper. You're breaking up.
A Hollywood libby director cum history revisionist? why am I not surprised.
Any of us who were alive in 1977 knows that Solo shot first.
Lucas has good reasons to change the scene. To make it appeal to the changing tastes of the movie watching and buying public. That's why the call it the movie BUSINESS. You make your product appeal to the widest market possible.
Don't forget you can have it both ways. A version for the people who want to have Solo blast Greedo first and a version that has him merely defending himself. And obsessive fan types who must have both versions in their collection. So you just sold four copies of the same movie to three people.
Greedo had the drop on Han, and he managed to get the first shot in anyways, it was self defense and a justifiable homicide, case closed.
Hey George Lucas , Tell somebody who gives a FU@$%%%^#$@ Like Obama !!!! or mabee Michelle ?
PB,
I don't think the topic was well recieved,,,,
1977 I saw this flick 7 times. it always turned out the same. greedo's shot was thrown off by han's shot in self defense. that is why greedo missed at 3 feet!! han shot first, no question. play with it all you like lucas but we saw it happen and for those of us who have the tapes and a way to play it and go slow mo on it can attest to that fact no matter what you do with it. only the younger generation who are addicted to dvd will be fooled as they grow up watching the movie that you have so laboriously mangled.
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