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July 30, 2012
A Form 4473 for the Modern World
By David E. Petzal
Those of you who have filled out a Form 4473 since July 9th may have noticed a change in our beloved paper bulwark against crime and poor behavior. In addition to the checkoff box that asks your race, there is a new one that asks your “ethnicity;” specifically, are you Hispanic or Latino? This new box raises some interesting questions.
What’s the difference between Hispanic and Latino?
Why is the ATF interested?
If you are Hispanic or Latino, what then? Do ATF agents in full body armor and facemasks pay you a visit at 3 a.m.?
Some among you may consider this just more pointless nonsense from an agency that, on occasion, acts pretty oddly (See: Waco, massacre at, Fast and Furious, Kenyon Ballew shooting). I, however, view the new box as a first step in the evolution of the outdated, irrelevant Form 4473 into a Document for Our Time and, as a patriotic American, I would like to offer some new questions that are of real use.
1. Are you lonely, troll-like and odd? Yes No
2. Do you spend endless hours on the computer unsuccessfully looking for dates? Yes No
3. Is the fact that your life is a s**t sandwich everyone else’s fault? Yes No
3A: If you checked Yes to Question 3, do you believe that everyone else has to pay for it? Yes No
4. Do you want to be the center of attention just once in your miserable life, at any cost? Yes No
4A: If you checked Yes to Question 4, do you believe the way to go about this is by killing a lot of people? Yes No
4B: If you checked Yes to Question 4A, did you get the idea from watching television? Yes No
5: Does it give you cold shivers when a TV news bunny shoves a mike in someone’s face and asks them for their innermost feelings on seeing their loved ones killed? Yes No
See how much more relevant this is than “Are you an alien who is here illegally?” A third of the population of the U.S. is here illegally, so who cares? I think it’s time for ATF to take a break from supplying AKs to serious criminals and completely rewrite Form 4473. Maybe they can get into religions that are considered dangerous as well as ethnic groups. For example,
“Do you face Mecca several times a day to pray?”
Who knows how much useful information can be collected on a 4473?
We may find out.
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its only going to get worse from here
"Five day waiting period? But I'm angry now!" - Homer Simpson
My favorite question of form is:
Are you a fugitive from justice?
I have always thought the 4473 was more of a liability to the gun seller than the gun buyer. Many dealers get into trouble not having them filled out properly. While the information on the form is of little value, if this information is not filled out properly, a dealer can lose his license real quick.
I believe the most useful information for Gov't was found on the last national census. That form provided *The List*
Also, I predict history will show NICS the most abused Law and Federal Office by the anti-gun. I'm waiting for our brave Congress to investigate not only the abuse, but the civil rights violations. It'll look like the Circus Maximus!
DP's questions are at least as pertinent as any on the current form, not to mention more entertaining. Undoubtedly they would be answered as honestly by the occasional miscreant as any of the existing queries.
It's just another, tiny example of the ludicrous nature of government at almost any level. When in doubt, pass a new law, draft a new rule and force private individuals and businesses to waste yet more otherwise productive time filling out and storing idiotic paperwork.
As for the "Latino" vs. "Hispanic" query, I have lived in Texas my entire life and have yet to figure out any difference between the two terms or any reason to waste time thinking about it. It is further proof though that a civil rights movement originally intended to make society color blind has instead made us the most obsessively race-ethnicity conscious country since South Africa abandoned apartheid.
As an FFL holder, I'm constantly amazed the form is still six pages long. How many times do I need to read the instructions? Am I not bright enough to store ONE copy somewhere for future reference? Whenever I ask for the reason for the status quo, I'm told "it's because the buyer's signature assures us that he has read the instructions." REALLY? Sounds like someone needs a plastectomy.
If I were juan, roberto, or carlos rodriquez I would say I was white and I would bet money those goofballs in the ATF would catch it it.
Question 6, Are you nuts yes/no 6a Would you admit if you are. yes/no
OOPS should say "would not catch it"
Kim Rhode?
@Chuckles-
At one of my old gun shop hangouts every now and then the sheriff's would show up to arrest someone who answered yes to that question.
as to the "Hispanic or Latino question", I have a name that could be "Hispanic or Latino",and I would be asked that question and I would respond, "Itspanic or Ilatino".
Kept many huckleberries guessing.
Wonderful Dave,
I watched a foolish "cable net" gal alert me to 'stay tuned' to the chilling interview with a neighbor of this fellow -name omitted purposely- and hear about him.
This neighbor went on to say what a nice boy he seemed to be.
Bubble head blond.
Many of you may be surprised to know that a number gun applicants actually do tell the truth, answer "yes" questions like being a fugitive, and they are denied the purchase. But more importantly, the STRAW purchase is more often used.
my favorite one is: Do you belong to an organization that plans to overthrow a government? yeah like if i did i would tell you!
Perhaps a good question to add would be; "Do you like to work alone in your mountain cabin with any of the following (check all that apply) a. fertilizer, b. nitrates, c. PVC piping, d. timers, e. C4, f. matches, g. running with scissors"
Shouldn't Question 1 be broken down into three sub- questions?
1A. Are you lonely? If the answer is Yes, proceed to Question 1B. If the answer is No, proceed to Question 2.
1B. Are you troll-like? If the answer is Yes, proceed to Question 1C. If the answer is No, proceed to Question 2.
1C. Are you odd? If the answer is Yes, and if your answers to Questions 1A and 1B are also Yes, then do not answer any more questions and turn in this form right now. (Btw, you are SOL.)
Hispanic or Latino? Maybe they want to check their list to make sure they can cover up an illegal sale...
The country I believe is reaching a tipping point in beliefs and values where something momentous similar to the American Revolution and the War between the States is going to occur. As I believe Jefferson said " The Second Amendment isn't needed till they try to take it away from. Even Scalia in his interview on Fox News Sunday doesn't get.
To Dave Petzal...
OUTSTANDING!
And then we get into the "white hispanic" thing. My head hurts!
I'm offended that membership in the Irish Republican Army was not listed.
I read an MSN News article today that stated in part that polls show "Republicans prioritize gun ownership rights by a 71 percent to 26 percent margin, according to Pew, while Democrats prioritize gun control by a 72 percent to 21 percent margin. Independents are less polarized, with 50 percent saying the priority should be protecting the rights of Americans to own guns and 43 percent saying it should be controlling gun ownership."
So maybe "Have you now or have you ever been a member of the Democrat Party? If yes, skip all the other questions, hand the form back to the clerk and proceed to the fishing aisle." should be Question #1 on the Form 4473
The question, "Have you been adjudicated mentally defective?" begs other questions: By whom? Does my wife get to vote on this? Can my children offer their opinion? If you are mentally defective, are you even qualified to answer this question?
RJ and Ralph
Why is it that stupid people who commit crimes get arrested but smart people that commit crimes get elected?
My Mother is Albanian and my Father is Latino...is there a space for Albino?
I've yet to see anyone offer any good reason why any gun buyer should be asked anything about their race/ethnicity.
Exactly how is that germane to anything? If it is, why go half throttle? Surely, if it's important to differentiate between Anglos and Hispanics/Latinos, there should be another box to ascertain whether the buyer is Scandinavian, Moroccan, Germanic, French, or a hump-backed, Lithuanian dwarf. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned or insult any sub-group by leaving them out of the official, bureaucratic mix...
Having the privilege of growing up in New York the difference is apparent. Latino refers to people from the Caribbean, Central and South America. Hispanic refers to people from Spain and Portugal. It's like confusing English speaking people from America and Great Britain. As far as white Spanish I have a friend who is Castilian [AKA blue blood] who is whiter than me and I am of German descent. All this is very nit picking and if I had to guess it's all about pride in heritage. I have Asian friends who being Chinese would be very offended if you called them Japanese. I have heard people speak German and when asked they say Jewish. But that's the "great melting pot" that is America.
If they answer the "Are you a Democrat" question "yes" then that person should be immediately restrained and held for authorities, as they are probably a straw purchaser.
What real Democrat would ever want a gun? Really? He has to be lying!
To All: A correspondent of mine reminds that there was a time when the 4473 was a single page, and that there was a box the dealer checked stating that the purchaser was "Known to me," thus eliminating the identification b.s. on the present form.
However, this smacked dangerously of common sense, and therefore had no place on a government document, so away it went.
DEP, I blame athlete's foot for the demise of that box, because, as we are all aware, you must walk a mile in another man's shoes (Women's are too uncomfortable) before you truly know him.
If, after walking a mile in his shoes, you still think he is a dipstick, then you are a mile away from him and you have his shoes. Win/win.
"known to me" really? Nice!
Yes Dave I miss the good old days. I remember my older cousins could buy surplus rifles through the mail. Much like Lee Harvey Oswald. Myself I even purchased real X-Ray glasses from the back of a comic book. BOY I miss those glasses. LOL
hey NHshtr,
you forgot to add digital casio watches!
if you think the batfe is goofy now just wait and see what happens if obama wins another term. the "chicago
mafia" (obama,holder,etc) will make life even more insane for gun owners and the second amendment.
Reading all this, it is apparent that many of you do not recall the days that there was no idiot form 4473. There was nothing. You walked in, made your choice, paid your money, and walked out. But we decided to allow the inmates to run the asylum. It's getting worse, especially since 9/11, when we let the true homicidal maniacs take charge.
This is easy.
Hispanic is someone of Spanish or Portuguese descent.
Latino is someone from Latin American descent.
what bothers me the most is that in New Jersey you must first possess a firearms id purchaser card in which the state police of NJ do a thorough background check. this all costs money and can take up to several months to get. once you get your card now you are allowed to purchase a firearm. but on the day of the purchase the gun dealer must also do an instant background check as well...this also costs money. i totally agree with the instant background check because laws could have been broken from the time of the ID card to the time of the purchase. but to charge more and more money because the state says so is BS. oh and by the way you need a separate card to purchase a handgun which is only good for so many days. and every time you want to by another handgun, you must repeat the process over again...more BS.
coachsjike: You must understand that the main function of government now is to make life as difficult and expensive as possible. It really has nothing do do with what party is in power; they're all the same greedy parasites. Will thinks get worse "if Obama is reelected"? I doubt it. I am a life NRA member and am getting tired of their exaggerations to suck money out of us, when I see scant evidence that Obama is after our guns. It looks to me that the 2nd amendment is a third rail that they do not want to touch, not at this time anyway. The Republicans would also throw us all under the bus if they could see any advantage in it.
I have to say, I was happy with your post until one of the last lines. Specifically, “Do you face Mecca several times a day to pray?” Are you kidding me? I expect more from you.
Are there Muslims that are hell bent on killing us? Yes. To answer otherwise would be stupid, but the VAST MAJORITY of Muslims just want to make a living and raise a family....just like you. They try and teach their children right and wrong, to worship God/Allah/Yahweh and to generally be good people. We share the same God, but just a different way of practicing our faiths. Continuing the ongoing bigotry towards people who adhere to some version of the Muslim faith only makes all of us look like idiots. Every religion has followers on the extreme edges. Christianity is no different.
Even as a joke, the line is not necessary and is unwarranted.
Once again Dave Petzal is on the money about the form I just filled it out yesterday and low and behold there was the new box.
I know I'm going to get some negatives on this; I respect the opinions of others but but to the guys bad mouthing Obama and the Democrats: the gun industry has thrived under Obama. Gun and ammo manufacturing and purchases are up, the gun industry in general is up and no laws have been passed by Obama that affect our ability to own, purchase and use firearms. Those are facts not opinions. Also please know that all Democrats are not liberals and anti gun. I have a safe full of guns and as evidenced by my recent purchase (thus
the need to fill out form 4473) I am still buying more.
I am still a registered Democrat however if The president is re-elected, I won't be surprised to see some type of firearm legislation. After all, it's an election year. If the president gets another term. it will be his last and he can pretty much do what he wants. I would expect more of the "executive privilege" type lawmaking. You think Form 4473 is long now? How about having to list three references not related to you? How about a waiting period so your mediacl records can be queried to insure you're not a loose cannon?
93% of our government is 0.93% efficient. almost nothing that comes thru the bureaucracy surprises me. the rules, questions and laws realistically apply to about 6.07% of the people. which in governmental terms, means it all = 100%. and they are very happy with that. idiots! i guess the form, and the background check is there to make the Bradey's content. what happened to Jim Bradey was terrible, by anyone's standards. and i do feel for him and his family. but the real problem is not keeping guns from people. the problem is keeping people who are not right in the head off the streets. if it could not be guns, it would be super-soakers filled with gasoline with a bic lighter duct taped to the front. or a balloon (or several) filled with acid. these people will find a way. people have been killing people since the days of Cain and Able. no law is going to stop that. the funny thing is, our government thinks they can stop every and any thing with a piece of paper with some ink on it. maybe, we should have them go thru a mental exam before running for office!
People being labeled "liberals" or "conservatives" is boring and meaningless. The idea that all liberals are anti-firearms is completely untrue. Most of my friends are simple common sense folks who fall a little into both sides of the issues, as most sensible people do. The ones who I think would be mostly in the liberal camp just happen to be all gun nuts. So stop all this liberal BS already! You're just playing into the hands of the real polarizing idiots in our society. We're all sick of them.
So am I the only one who feels that the new form is racist or just a certain level of irony that Eric Holder is speaking to La Raza and they are not calling him out for the form or all the people who have been murdered to advance his agenda?
BTW BATF form 3310.4 (the form when you fill out when you buy more than two handguns within five business days) also asks about ethnicity. I wonder how much good that would have done for fast and furious.
Isn't that racial profiling?
Hey Chuckles,
"I got an idea,an idea so smart my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about." Peter Griffin
Need our politicans say more??
tom warner
as far as i am concerned the NRA are a bunch of hypocrites as well. i called them in regards to the BS we face here in NJ and their comments were that NJ is a tough state and that we should be thankful to have the ability to have guns there to begin with. i asked them why is it possible to be harassed with all of these stupid extra fees and regulations there was no comment on their end. i am no longer an NRA member.
Mr. Petzel,
Putting nearly a quarter of the world's population in the same group as a few sadists and kooks amounts to the same thing as placing all gun owners in the same category as those hopeless souls who've committed the recent shootings in Colorado and Wisconsin. No gun owner on this forum appreciates any tie (made by politicos or the media) with either James Holmes or Wade Page; I assure you, no practicing Muslim (gun owner or no) appreciates your linking us to al-Qaeda or other extremists. Please work on your humor.
I think I would scratch a new box on the form that said "Hispino" and check it.
I realize this is an old posting. I have been told by language teachers that if your culture's language is based on Latin you're Latino. So if someone in your family tree spoke Spanish, Italian, etc you are Latino. Also think of all the Roman soldiers in Europe. I wonder if they stayed celebate.
Perhaps this statement has no"meaning"here but,,,Illinois legislatures just voted to issue Illinois drivers license' to illegal aliens,,Illinois governor favors it..
Perhaps this statement has no"meaning"here but,,,Illinois legislatures just voted to issue Illinois drivers license' to illegal aliens,,Illinois governor favors it..
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"Five day waiting period? But I'm angry now!" - Homer Simpson
My favorite question of form is:
Are you a fugitive from justice?
its only going to get worse from here
I have always thought the 4473 was more of a liability to the gun seller than the gun buyer. Many dealers get into trouble not having them filled out properly. While the information on the form is of little value, if this information is not filled out properly, a dealer can lose his license real quick.
DP's questions are at least as pertinent as any on the current form, not to mention more entertaining. Undoubtedly they would be answered as honestly by the occasional miscreant as any of the existing queries.
It's just another, tiny example of the ludicrous nature of government at almost any level. When in doubt, pass a new law, draft a new rule and force private individuals and businesses to waste yet more otherwise productive time filling out and storing idiotic paperwork.
As for the "Latino" vs. "Hispanic" query, I have lived in Texas my entire life and have yet to figure out any difference between the two terms or any reason to waste time thinking about it. It is further proof though that a civil rights movement originally intended to make society color blind has instead made us the most obsessively race-ethnicity conscious country since South Africa abandoned apartheid.
To All: A correspondent of mine reminds that there was a time when the 4473 was a single page, and that there was a box the dealer checked stating that the purchaser was "Known to me," thus eliminating the identification b.s. on the present form.
However, this smacked dangerously of common sense, and therefore had no place on a government document, so away it went.
I believe the most useful information for Gov't was found on the last national census. That form provided *The List*
Also, I predict history will show NICS the most abused Law and Federal Office by the anti-gun. I'm waiting for our brave Congress to investigate not only the abuse, but the civil rights violations. It'll look like the Circus Maximus!
The country I believe is reaching a tipping point in beliefs and values where something momentous similar to the American Revolution and the War between the States is going to occur. As I believe Jefferson said " The Second Amendment isn't needed till they try to take it away from. Even Scalia in his interview on Fox News Sunday doesn't get.
RJ and Ralph
Why is it that stupid people who commit crimes get arrested but smart people that commit crimes get elected?
I've yet to see anyone offer any good reason why any gun buyer should be asked anything about their race/ethnicity.
Exactly how is that germane to anything? If it is, why go half throttle? Surely, if it's important to differentiate between Anglos and Hispanics/Latinos, there should be another box to ascertain whether the buyer is Scandinavian, Moroccan, Germanic, French, or a hump-backed, Lithuanian dwarf. We wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned or insult any sub-group by leaving them out of the official, bureaucratic mix...
As an FFL holder, I'm constantly amazed the form is still six pages long. How many times do I need to read the instructions? Am I not bright enough to store ONE copy somewhere for future reference? Whenever I ask for the reason for the status quo, I'm told "it's because the buyer's signature assures us that he has read the instructions." REALLY? Sounds like someone needs a plastectomy.
DEP, I blame athlete's foot for the demise of that box, because, as we are all aware, you must walk a mile in another man's shoes (Women's are too uncomfortable) before you truly know him.
If, after walking a mile in his shoes, you still think he is a dipstick, then you are a mile away from him and you have his shoes. Win/win.
Reading all this, it is apparent that many of you do not recall the days that there was no idiot form 4473. There was nothing. You walked in, made your choice, paid your money, and walked out. But we decided to allow the inmates to run the asylum. It's getting worse, especially since 9/11, when we let the true homicidal maniacs take charge.
coachsjike: You must understand that the main function of government now is to make life as difficult and expensive as possible. It really has nothing do do with what party is in power; they're all the same greedy parasites. Will thinks get worse "if Obama is reelected"? I doubt it. I am a life NRA member and am getting tired of their exaggerations to suck money out of us, when I see scant evidence that Obama is after our guns. It looks to me that the 2nd amendment is a third rail that they do not want to touch, not at this time anyway. The Republicans would also throw us all under the bus if they could see any advantage in it.
Once again Dave Petzal is on the money about the form I just filled it out yesterday and low and behold there was the new box.
I know I'm going to get some negatives on this; I respect the opinions of others but but to the guys bad mouthing Obama and the Democrats: the gun industry has thrived under Obama. Gun and ammo manufacturing and purchases are up, the gun industry in general is up and no laws have been passed by Obama that affect our ability to own, purchase and use firearms. Those are facts not opinions. Also please know that all Democrats are not liberals and anti gun. I have a safe full of guns and as evidenced by my recent purchase (thus
the need to fill out form 4473) I am still buying more.
Hey Chuckles,
"I got an idea,an idea so smart my head would explode if I even began to know what I was talking about." Peter Griffin
Need our politicans say more??
If I were juan, roberto, or carlos rodriquez I would say I was white and I would bet money those goofballs in the ATF would catch it it.
Question 6, Are you nuts yes/no 6a Would you admit if you are. yes/no
Wonderful Dave,
I watched a foolish "cable net" gal alert me to 'stay tuned' to the chilling interview with a neighbor of this fellow -name omitted purposely- and hear about him.
This neighbor went on to say what a nice boy he seemed to be.
Bubble head blond.
Many of you may be surprised to know that a number gun applicants actually do tell the truth, answer "yes" questions like being a fugitive, and they are denied the purchase. But more importantly, the STRAW purchase is more often used.
Perhaps a good question to add would be; "Do you like to work alone in your mountain cabin with any of the following (check all that apply) a. fertilizer, b. nitrates, c. PVC piping, d. timers, e. C4, f. matches, g. running with scissors"
Hispanic or Latino? Maybe they want to check their list to make sure they can cover up an illegal sale...
I'm offended that membership in the Irish Republican Army was not listed.
I read an MSN News article today that stated in part that polls show "Republicans prioritize gun ownership rights by a 71 percent to 26 percent margin, according to Pew, while Democrats prioritize gun control by a 72 percent to 21 percent margin. Independents are less polarized, with 50 percent saying the priority should be protecting the rights of Americans to own guns and 43 percent saying it should be controlling gun ownership."
So maybe "Have you now or have you ever been a member of the Democrat Party? If yes, skip all the other questions, hand the form back to the clerk and proceed to the fishing aisle." should be Question #1 on the Form 4473
The question, "Have you been adjudicated mentally defective?" begs other questions: By whom? Does my wife get to vote on this? Can my children offer their opinion? If you are mentally defective, are you even qualified to answer this question?
My Mother is Albanian and my Father is Latino...is there a space for Albino?
Having the privilege of growing up in New York the difference is apparent. Latino refers to people from the Caribbean, Central and South America. Hispanic refers to people from Spain and Portugal. It's like confusing English speaking people from America and Great Britain. As far as white Spanish I have a friend who is Castilian [AKA blue blood] who is whiter than me and I am of German descent. All this is very nit picking and if I had to guess it's all about pride in heritage. I have Asian friends who being Chinese would be very offended if you called them Japanese. I have heard people speak German and when asked they say Jewish. But that's the "great melting pot" that is America.
This is easy.
Hispanic is someone of Spanish or Portuguese descent.
Latino is someone from Latin American descent.
I have to say, I was happy with your post until one of the last lines. Specifically, “Do you face Mecca several times a day to pray?” Are you kidding me? I expect more from you.
Are there Muslims that are hell bent on killing us? Yes. To answer otherwise would be stupid, but the VAST MAJORITY of Muslims just want to make a living and raise a family....just like you. They try and teach their children right and wrong, to worship God/Allah/Yahweh and to generally be good people. We share the same God, but just a different way of practicing our faiths. Continuing the ongoing bigotry towards people who adhere to some version of the Muslim faith only makes all of us look like idiots. Every religion has followers on the extreme edges. Christianity is no different.
Even as a joke, the line is not necessary and is unwarranted.
I am still a registered Democrat however if The president is re-elected, I won't be surprised to see some type of firearm legislation. After all, it's an election year. If the president gets another term. it will be his last and he can pretty much do what he wants. I would expect more of the "executive privilege" type lawmaking. You think Form 4473 is long now? How about having to list three references not related to you? How about a waiting period so your mediacl records can be queried to insure you're not a loose cannon?
93% of our government is 0.93% efficient. almost nothing that comes thru the bureaucracy surprises me. the rules, questions and laws realistically apply to about 6.07% of the people. which in governmental terms, means it all = 100%. and they are very happy with that. idiots! i guess the form, and the background check is there to make the Bradey's content. what happened to Jim Bradey was terrible, by anyone's standards. and i do feel for him and his family. but the real problem is not keeping guns from people. the problem is keeping people who are not right in the head off the streets. if it could not be guns, it would be super-soakers filled with gasoline with a bic lighter duct taped to the front. or a balloon (or several) filled with acid. these people will find a way. people have been killing people since the days of Cain and Able. no law is going to stop that. the funny thing is, our government thinks they can stop every and any thing with a piece of paper with some ink on it. maybe, we should have them go thru a mental exam before running for office!
People being labeled "liberals" or "conservatives" is boring and meaningless. The idea that all liberals are anti-firearms is completely untrue. Most of my friends are simple common sense folks who fall a little into both sides of the issues, as most sensible people do. The ones who I think would be mostly in the liberal camp just happen to be all gun nuts. So stop all this liberal BS already! You're just playing into the hands of the real polarizing idiots in our society. We're all sick of them.
OOPS should say "would not catch it"
Kim Rhode?
@Chuckles-
At one of my old gun shop hangouts every now and then the sheriff's would show up to arrest someone who answered yes to that question.
as to the "Hispanic or Latino question", I have a name that could be "Hispanic or Latino",and I would be asked that question and I would respond, "Itspanic or Ilatino".
Kept many huckleberries guessing.
my favorite one is: Do you belong to an organization that plans to overthrow a government? yeah like if i did i would tell you!
Shouldn't Question 1 be broken down into three sub- questions?
1A. Are you lonely? If the answer is Yes, proceed to Question 1B. If the answer is No, proceed to Question 2.
1B. Are you troll-like? If the answer is Yes, proceed to Question 1C. If the answer is No, proceed to Question 2.
1C. Are you odd? If the answer is Yes, and if your answers to Questions 1A and 1B are also Yes, then do not answer any more questions and turn in this form right now. (Btw, you are SOL.)
To Dave Petzal...
OUTSTANDING!
And then we get into the "white hispanic" thing. My head hurts!
If they answer the "Are you a Democrat" question "yes" then that person should be immediately restrained and held for authorities, as they are probably a straw purchaser.
What real Democrat would ever want a gun? Really? He has to be lying!
"known to me" really? Nice!
Yes Dave I miss the good old days. I remember my older cousins could buy surplus rifles through the mail. Much like Lee Harvey Oswald. Myself I even purchased real X-Ray glasses from the back of a comic book. BOY I miss those glasses. LOL
if you think the batfe is goofy now just wait and see what happens if obama wins another term. the "chicago
mafia" (obama,holder,etc) will make life even more insane for gun owners and the second amendment.
So am I the only one who feels that the new form is racist or just a certain level of irony that Eric Holder is speaking to La Raza and they are not calling him out for the form or all the people who have been murdered to advance his agenda?
BTW BATF form 3310.4 (the form when you fill out when you buy more than two handguns within five business days) also asks about ethnicity. I wonder how much good that would have done for fast and furious.
Isn't that racial profiling?
I think I would scratch a new box on the form that said "Hispino" and check it.
I realize this is an old posting. I have been told by language teachers that if your culture's language is based on Latin you're Latino. So if someone in your family tree spoke Spanish, Italian, etc you are Latino. Also think of all the Roman soldiers in Europe. I wonder if they stayed celebate.
Perhaps this statement has no"meaning"here but,,,Illinois legislatures just voted to issue Illinois drivers license' to illegal aliens,,Illinois governor favors it..
Perhaps this statement has no"meaning"here but,,,Illinois legislatures just voted to issue Illinois drivers license' to illegal aliens,,Illinois governor favors it..
hey NHshtr,
you forgot to add digital casio watches!
what bothers me the most is that in New Jersey you must first possess a firearms id purchaser card in which the state police of NJ do a thorough background check. this all costs money and can take up to several months to get. once you get your card now you are allowed to purchase a firearm. but on the day of the purchase the gun dealer must also do an instant background check as well...this also costs money. i totally agree with the instant background check because laws could have been broken from the time of the ID card to the time of the purchase. but to charge more and more money because the state says so is BS. oh and by the way you need a separate card to purchase a handgun which is only good for so many days. and every time you want to by another handgun, you must repeat the process over again...more BS.
Mr. Petzel,
Putting nearly a quarter of the world's population in the same group as a few sadists and kooks amounts to the same thing as placing all gun owners in the same category as those hopeless souls who've committed the recent shootings in Colorado and Wisconsin. No gun owner on this forum appreciates any tie (made by politicos or the media) with either James Holmes or Wade Page; I assure you, no practicing Muslim (gun owner or no) appreciates your linking us to al-Qaeda or other extremists. Please work on your humor.
tom warner
as far as i am concerned the NRA are a bunch of hypocrites as well. i called them in regards to the BS we face here in NJ and their comments were that NJ is a tough state and that we should be thankful to have the ability to have guns there to begin with. i asked them why is it possible to be harassed with all of these stupid extra fees and regulations there was no comment on their end. i am no longer an NRA member.
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