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August 28, 2012

Closet Queens: Why Some Rifles are Hidden From Sight

By David E. Petzal

This unfortunate term (I rank it right alongside the truly loathsome “.257 Bob” for .257 Roberts.) arose on the Internet some years ago to describe a firearm that spends its time in a closet or safe, never to be used. Most of the time, this is not the fault of the gun involved.

Recoil is probably the main creator of closet queens. When the .458 Model 70 Winchester African came out in 1956 it was the first American big-bore in a long time, and there was a lot of interest in it. People who would never get closer to Africa than a Tarzan movie rushed to buy one, and then discovered that the things kicked harder than they ever dreamed. What to do? These Model 70s were not cheap rifles, and not easy to sell, and if you did sell you admitted that you were a little short in the manhood department. Thus they became closet queens.

Same with the Model 29 Smith & Wesson .44 Magnum, both in 1955 when it came out, and again in the early ‘70s when Dirty Harry Callahan made it a byword. The original .44 Magnum loads were very, very serious, and many, many people found they wanted no part of them.

Some guns become closet queens because they’re of no further use, but have sentimental value, so they stay. I have a Winchester Model 94 Commemorative Musket that I won at a trap shoot in 1971. As a gun it’s a piece of junk, but it’s the first prize I ever won shooting, so how can I let it go? In the closet it shall stay.

I have three wood-stocked rifles that I got a ton of use from in the ‘70s and ‘80s and will never use again, mostly because they’re irreplaceable and because I now use synthetic-stocked rifles almost exclusively. But how can I let the old-timers go?

A great many closet queens get their start because someone reads about a new rifle or cartridge that will transform them into a super marksman, drop all game dead in its tracks, blah, blah, blah. When this turns out to be a load of dung, the gun becomes a bitter disappointment and a symbol of failure, and into the darkness it vanishes.

The way to avoid buying this kind of closet queen is:

Never trust a gun writer.

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from ALJoe wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

I have a pre-64 Model 70 that I guess can now be classified as a "closet queen". I love the gun and it performs flawlessly. But, I just can't stomach the idea of putting any more scratches or dings in it. I have now replaced it with a newer version of the Model 70.

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from Mark-1 wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

It pains me reading+- those truthful words directed at 458’s closet queens. Granted my Model 70 458 isn’t a plinker, yet it’s fun to fiddle with reduced loads and playing with cast bullets.

Not cheap*, but fun.

*Whatever happened to shooting *cheap cast bullets*???

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from Douglas wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

My "permanent gun safe denizon" is my old daisy bb gun. Its just plain too wore out to shoot any more.
I tend to get all the other occupants out once in a while to warm the barrels up.

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from MReeder wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

I think sentiment is probably responsible for most so-called closet queens. I've got a couple or three of them myself and I wouldn't turn loose of any of them because of their personal/nostalgic and/or familial associations.
Anyway, turning loose of any gun once I've taken possession of it always made me feel like I was selling my children. To be honest, there were times, especially when they were teenagers, when selling the kids was a tempting thought. No so with any of my guns.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

I'm going to clean out my closet queens and piss the money away on something worthwhile, like going on a hunting trip again next year!

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from NHshtr wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

I still alternate my .308 760 BDL (LH) with another rifle for deer hunting. It was a surprise Christmas present from my wife back in '80. It's a pain when I get a ding in it, but I love to use it and decided it will keep getting work as long as it lasts.

My closet queen is a Thompson New Englander muzzle-loader (also LH). I moved to an inline 5 years ago and the NE has been under wraps since. I think it's time to get it up on the wall so I can still admire it's good looks.

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from Tim Platt wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

No closet queens around here. I shoot everything I own, and that is over 30 guns. I went to Academy Outdoors and spent over $350 on ammo this week. Mostly .223's but they had .30 carbines NOT FMJ 50 for $20 so I bought a lot of those and a couple of bricks of the Winchester Wildcats, 9mm, 40S&W, etc. etc. etc....

I swear 6 years ago I could have walked out of the store with the same purchase for $100 and some change. I haven't bought any Weatherby ammo in a loooooong time. I need some. I am in for an unpleasant surprise.

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from Carney wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

Typically, guns that I've inherited stay.

Pieces of junk that I've bought because of a gun writer or because the advertising budget of a manufacturer surpassed the production budget -- those guns I can get rid of in a heartbeat and at a loss just to get rid of them. The most recent of that kind was The Judge.

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from Safado wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

A little while ago there was an article on how to thin out your collection. Now there's an article about closet queens. Someone responded that they have two safes full of guns...Articles like this make me realize that I'm undergunned, I just don't have enough! I scarcely qualify as a "Gun Nut" judging by quantity alone. In my case I shoot them all but the ones that sit the longest are where I have multiple rifles in the same caliber. I shoot the newer one more than the older.

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from goin2themountains wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

Guns I have purchased I mostly shoot. I do have several with sentimental value such as my Mother's .250 Savage, a Great Uncles Smith .38 he carried as a Game Warden, and a few others. Yes, they are closet queens, but when I open the safe, seeing them brings back fond memories. They deserve to take up the space just for that reason, let alone passing along to my son.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

The pair of nickel plated S&W Model 19s will certainly be the last to go from my clutches right there with my grandad and dad's S&W M&P .38 S&W issued during WWII.

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from HogBlog wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

I've got a small and slowly growing pile of closet queens... or safe queens. The worst offender is simply a piece of junk... a Remington 710. It's not even worth the effort to try to sell. I'd be lucky to get enough to pay for the gas to take it to the gun shop to sell.

Then there's the sentimental favorite... my dad's old Remington 742 BDL. I've never been a fan of semi-autos, and with the boxy wood stock on this one, I just don't use it. You couldn't pay me enough to get rid of it, though. There's the Savage Axis with the blown ejector (from testing some new ammo from a certain manufacturer). One day, I'll fix that thing. While I'm at it, I'll also fix my very first deer rifle, the Winchester 94 Trapper. I carried that thing around in the back of my truck until the rear sight sort of wobbles and rattles. I was thinking to replace it with a peep... maybe a Ghost Ring. One day.

There's the Hawken that I just quit shooting because I didn't have a muzzleloading season in the area I was hunting... and I didn't love it enough to use it anyway.

And my old Mossberg 500 that I set aside in favor of the double-barrel. I parked it next to the Remington 870 that I set aside in favor if the Mossberg.

And then there's...

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from Sarge01 wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

The only "closet queens" in my safe are a Win. Model 67 .22 rifle, my first rifle, that I don't shoot anymore , a Iver Johnson Champion 12 ga. that was my Father's first gun that he passed on to me. He passed away 2 years ago at the young age of 92 and a side lock .50 caliber muzzleloader that I have killed 16 deer with but has been retired for an inline muzzleloader. All of the other so called "closet queens" have gone down the road for something useful that I do shoot or at least my grandson will shoot.

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from AlaskanExile wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

I have my father's 303 British SMLE "sporterized" by someone with a disc-sander and a few spare moments. It doesn't have a magazine, and I shoot left handed. I don't think I would burden a kid with dragging it around the woods, but I can't part with it either, even though I think he paid $7.50 for it at a storage auction in 1966 or so.
I have my own 303 British SMLE "sporterized" in the same manner, mine has a magazine, but sometimes it blows a case, a really generous chamber. So I don't shoot it either but it was my first rifle, the one I killed my first deer and pronghorn with, so I really can't sell that one either...

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from O Garcia wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

so far no one has reported a fugly Remington 600/660 carbine or the slightly better looking but still weird Model 673 guide gun. those shark's fin front sights are just about what a bear needs to shove up your (bleep-bleep).

seriously, though, it's probably safe to say nearly every 600/660/673 carbine Remington made in .350 mag. is in some closet in Alaska right now, ready for bear duty.

Remington's ability to make or brand ugly guns - the ill-fated auto rimfires that replaced the Nylon 66, the various Baikal-made SPR's (rugged, but Soviet kind of ugly), the models 710 and 770, it's mind-boggling.

Especially when you realize they also make the Model Seven and the 700 CDL.

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from AlaskanExile wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

O'Garcia:
A lot of those Fugly 350 remingtons hit the trails up here and get used. I was just in a major (major as we get) sporting goods chain-store in Wasilla today and they were sold-out of 350 Remington, 375 Ruger, most of the more useful 338 ammo and most 375 H&H ammo.
A friend of mine lived off the grid for about 25 years, his closest neighbor was a pacifist-vegitarian hippy sort of guy, but that man owned 1 gun and it was a 600 Remington in 350!
He was determined to not participate in the food chain.

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from Mark-O wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

Closet Queens, love the term. Mine are that way simply because I don't have access to wide open areas for plinking and such. Also, minor inconvenience that hunting seasons are so short now and you've got to draw for virtually all our licenses out here!

Fugly Guns! Write a column on that one, Dave! I'd love to hear some stories!

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from O Garcia wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

AlaskanExile,

I think the 600/660 are perfect for this purpose. They're light and handy and pack a punch. And they look like no other. Seriously, that distinctive stock means in an emergency, you're not going to be confused as to what rifle you need to grab.

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from coachsjike wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

dave,
what is the standard procedure for cleaning a rifle? wet patches then dry patches? metal brushing with a copper solvent then dry patches? remove all of the copper fouling vs none? i have heard lots of different solutions but not sure on which is best.

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from Longbeard wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

As some have said, it is those sentimental guns that sit in the back of my gun safe, rarely seeing the light of day, mostly guns I inherited from my father. I've never even shot his '03 Springfield (that is a tragedy in itself) and his no-name .22 bolt action that he taught me to shoot with sits there,too. I've hunted with the Winchester '97 but not in a very long time. And then there's my first gun, the little Ithica 20 ga single shot break action that kicks like a little mule. He snuck that baby into the hospital when I was 10 - he felt so bad for me having to be there that he couldn't wait a couple of months for my birthday to give it to me. He was a tough, unsentimental old bird and for him to do something like that, well, I'm starting to well up even now. I could never hit much with it and didn't even want to start the youngsters out on it for fear of discouraging them from the get-go. But even think about getting rid of it? No way!

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from nunyabinis wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

I've never believed in Closet Queens, no matter how valuable they are. A few years ago I was fortunate enough to purchase a brand spanking new Browning Auto 5 from an estate sale. The old geezer that owned it had never even taken it out of the box. I won't mention how much green I had to relinquish to take possession of this firearm. I've shot the heck out of it ever since I bought it.

My friends think I'm nuts.

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from Scott Jones wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

I have some old guns I don't shoot and some I inherited that I won't let go, but the 'closet queen' is an eight round Maverick 88 12ga with a pistol grip. Its literally in the closet, loaded, and I don't shoot it because its unpleasant to be behind it.
When it comes out all the BS stops.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

The last line of this article is great and only true of writers with no sense of humor.

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from firedog11 wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

Probably a better way to put it is that firearms are like wives (for female shooters - husbands) some are great and some are a pain in the #@$. Be thankful when you find a good one and don't think that its sister is necessarily the same.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

OMG, for a minute I thought this blog was about Anderson Cooper, Barney Frank, and Elton John.....

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from RES1956 wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

I think the only closet queen I've got left is a K-80 Parcours Special with Briley sub gauge tubes. Since I no longer shoot skeet, I really have no reason to own it other than it is in excellent condition and has better than killer grade wood and, most impotantly, has appreciated in value to more than twice what I paid for it in about 1995 (and keeps going up). I can't put money in the bank or market and get that kind of return, I just wish I had bought more of them,,,

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from jjas wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

We've all fallen prey to advertising that promised one shot kills @ heretofore unbelieveable ranges and yes, gun writers contribute to this plague.......LOL.

As I've gotten older, I don't fall for it much anymore and smile a bit when I see a young guy swallowing it hook, line and sinker....

I guess it's all part of the learning process.......

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from Douglas wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

A "winchester model 94 commemorative musket" piqued my curiosity, as I had never heard of one. Google drummed up a couple for sale.
Strange looking gun, that.

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from Bernie wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

Until half dozen years ago when my joints and back went to hell, I used every firearm in my possession over a two-year period. Not anymore. Today, it isn't the "safe queens" that are at fault; it is my inability to get around like I used to!

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from Mike Diehl wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

I don't own any firearms that do not see regular use. My only plastic-stocked jobs are two youth model firearms that were inexpensive, and a muzzleloader. I'm going to replace the MLs stock with a wooden one next year. In my view, other than mountain rifles used in rugged terrain, every rifle should weigh at least eight pounds.

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from deadeyedick wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

closet treasures maybe, but never closet "queens" Some of them are older than dirt,just like I am but they will stay where they are until the day I die and will then be willed to my nephew because he reminds of me when I was 24

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from fox4 wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

David E. Petzal: "Never trust a gun writer."

Except when he says to never trust a gun writer???

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from Constant Gardener wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

I just inherited a bunch of guns from my dad. There are some real gems like a Colt Python and a 20 gauge Remington 58. There are the .22s I grew up with, his Remington 33 and a St. Louis made Browning Semi-Auto. And there are a bunch of guns that are simply his. I'll slide them into the safe behind my small collection of TC Icons, and treasure them fiercely.

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from 99explorer wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

I am in the process of thinning out some of my safe queens. I just sold a S&W Model 24 on consignment at my local gun shop. That went fast.
My Model 17 is taking a little longer to sell. It's a .22LR target revolver, the old K-22. You don't see many of them at the range anymore.

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from Bernie wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

99explorer: I bought a K-22 Masterpiece, Model 27 S & W in 1973 and still have it. The revolver has an 8-3/8" barrel. I shot many cottontail rabbits and ground squirrels with it over the years. One time in Wyoming I even killed a coyote with it! I think I paid $325 for it. What did yours go for, if I may ask?

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from Bernie wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

That should have read "Model 17"--NOT Model 27.

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from FirstBubba wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

Long ago and far away, I hunted with a set of twins who only had one gun. Their dad's Stevens Model 124. Ever seen one? In 45 years, I've seen three.
It has a plastic stock ala Nylon 66. The action is cataloged as "bolt", but I'm skeptical.
It resembles a Mod 48 Rem, but the "cocking" handle is a round knob attached to a bolt that protrudes out the left side of the receiver. At the shot, the "bolt" pops out. To reload, the "bolt" is pulled back, ejecting the empty, then shoved forward, chambering the next round. The "bolt" is then locked in place by driving the bolt left.
An old friend, rest his soul, "fixed" guns. A old timer he'd scoped a .22 for approached him and asked, "Will you give this a home? I don't want it." and shoved a Mod 124 into his hands.
There is NO bluing left and all exposed metal surfaces are rust pocked. The barrel is a respectable 22", no discernable choke and a brand spanking new Marble front sight.
The "blue book" claims it's valued at $149.50 NIB! LOL! Mine is worth $275/net ton stripped of it's plastic stock at the local scrap yard or 14¢ per pound. My best guess is it's worth is approximately 63¢!
Every time I see it, I get a laugh. Watching those two with their dad's gun was better than watching two bear cubs at play. As long as I can remember my friends, it'll be right there 'til I'm gone. I will NOT shoot it!

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from Big Bob W wrote 41 weeks 3 days ago

I have three closet queens, a Browning A-5 Belgian made 16ga that does not fully eject 2.5 inch shells which are "supposed" to work in the 2 9/16 chamber. An old Winchester .22 cal auto loader that also has ejection and jamming issues and a Steven Revelation 16ga SBS which has an English style replacement stock that has some divots out of it that I ought to fill in with some kind of filler & epoxy. It's other issue is that a previous owner shortened the barrels by about three or four inches and it is a true cylinder bore, no choke at all. I have a 1950's era Model 99 Savage in .300 Savage that I still shoot regularly and usually take along as a back up to my much rebuilt and sporterized 1908 Mauser in 7x57. All my guns have wood stocks. I just like the feel of wood and don't forsee hunting in really nasty weather any time soon.

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from DakotaMan wrote 41 weeks 3 days ago

My closet queens have been culled out. The only one I ever had was an original AR15 SP1 that couldn't shoot ten inch groups at 100 yards. That was the only rifle I have ever sold. I love every one in the closet but I need a bigger closet.

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from illustrator wrote 41 weeks 3 days ago

My closet queen is a ca. 1912 Remington Model 10 shotgun. It fires perfectly... and then fires again when you rack it if you have another shell loaded in the magazine. I'm reduced to using it as a single-shot, or not using it at all.

The barrel is horribly long, and it's fairly unwieldy, and not in the best of condition. Every gunsmith I've taken it to says it will cost a small fortune to repair it, and that's if it can be repaired at all.

But it was my grandfather's, a gift from his father when he was about 12 years old. He carried it to guard the payroll for the family ranch in the 1920's. It's the only thing he left me, so naturally, I can't bar to part with it.

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from hutter wrote 41 weeks 3 days ago

I have NO C.Q.s. I rotate shooting all my guns,plus my grandson is shooting them now so he's giving them a work out.

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from Tigerbeetle wrote 41 weeks 3 days ago

I have seen several responses that will similar to mine. It is not that any of my 30 +/- rifles, shotguns, and pistols/revolvers etc. are closet queens. I just do have the time and money, but more importantly the place to shoot them. Dove season opens this Saturday I have a Ithaca SKB 100 S/S 28" F&M, an Ithaca Mdl 37 with a 26" imp. cyl, and a 28" Mod. barrel; and a Browning Mdl 12 Win in 20 ga. with a 28" improved cyl. barrel. As much as I wish, I can't carry all of them to the dove field. I really have a lot of fun using my Browning Citori with its 24" barrels and open choke tubes on doves.

I have a similar problem duck hunting. I have a Win. "Heavy" duck gun. 3 in chamber and 32" full choke barrel built in 1954. It went out of service when steel shot became mandatory. Now I use it to shoot a little trap or win turkeys at turkey shoots, and some that know me won't let me shoot my gun. I shoot a 1974 Rem 1100 that I had converted to screw-in chokes for skeet and ducks, and quail if I get an invite. I use the Citori for skeet, also. I was given a Rottweil 720 Super Trap by my deceased F-i-L I that I know very little about. But the first time I every shot trap with it; I went two rounds at 24 each. And missed the same bird in both rounds. But it is 40 miles to the nearest trap and skeet range.

My .270 is more than adequate to take a deer every year, but no elk, bear, goat, antelope or woodchucks like in days past.

Similar problems with my handguns. Just insufficient time to get a place in the country or a local indoor range to shoot them. I don't like to shoot in a range, but sometimes you have no choice. And I won't get started on shooting my .22 rifle and handguns. I have a Rem Model 24 that I finally wore out as a teenager that had belonged to my dad, and his dad. I used to shoot 4 position in college and love to play with my target rifles if I can find a spot. And then there are my .22 pistols. Between Rugers and Brownings, it is hard not to carry 5 or 6 to the range. I finally bought a Radio Flyer red wagon with the wooden side rails to carry all my "stuff" to the firing point. My Range Wagon as I call it.

After all that said, I do have a pair of wall hangers. A Consecutive serial number set of the 1968 Canadian Centennial Win 94s in 30-30. Just haven't had a reason to shoot them.

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from PAShooter wrote 41 weeks 1 day ago

Number of guns manufactured and in U.S.,divided by the number of gun owners in the U.S.of A., equals a lot of "closet queens". I'm glad I'm guilty of this.

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from thequam wrote 40 weeks 3 days ago

To date I haven't bought any closet queens, everything i've bought has been bought with the intention of shooting it. I have however inherited a few guns, a couple of which I shoot on occasion and a couple others that I doubt I will ever shoot.

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from shane wrote 40 weeks 1 day ago

I don't have safe queens. There are the working guns and the guns that I shoot a lot for practice and fun, and then there are the guns that see significantly less use.

They get less use only due to irreplaceability (for a reasonable price, at least) and/or sentimental value. I try to minimize use and preserve them, but they are just too good and too storied to keep them from tasting powder and blood every once in a while.

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from jwallen wrote 38 weeks 3 days ago

I try to shoot everything I own at least once a year. The process starts the day before with a cleaning,tightening and inspection. Then the next day they all get put into the truck and taken down to the range and several groups are fired through each one and sights checked etc. We throw a few clays for each shotgun and just have fun plinking with the .22's. This takes about 10 hours and usually needs my son along to get them all fired. The next day usually is for cleaning, puting them back in the safes ready to go. This way I feel confident that any one of them is ready to go if needed. Some of the rifles haven't needed their sights adjusted in over 15 years. There are several that get shot almost weekly but I like shooting them all. The black powder ones get shot the least but none are "queens" of any type. If they aren't ready to go they are fixed or gone. If you aren't ready to work don't hang out around here! Even the keepsakes get used.

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from MReeder wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

I think sentiment is probably responsible for most so-called closet queens. I've got a couple or three of them myself and I wouldn't turn loose of any of them because of their personal/nostalgic and/or familial associations.
Anyway, turning loose of any gun once I've taken possession of it always made me feel like I was selling my children. To be honest, there were times, especially when they were teenagers, when selling the kids was a tempting thought. No so with any of my guns.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

I'm going to clean out my closet queens and piss the money away on something worthwhile, like going on a hunting trip again next year!

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from Carney wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

Typically, guns that I've inherited stay.

Pieces of junk that I've bought because of a gun writer or because the advertising budget of a manufacturer surpassed the production budget -- those guns I can get rid of in a heartbeat and at a loss just to get rid of them. The most recent of that kind was The Judge.

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from ALJoe wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

I have a pre-64 Model 70 that I guess can now be classified as a "closet queen". I love the gun and it performs flawlessly. But, I just can't stomach the idea of putting any more scratches or dings in it. I have now replaced it with a newer version of the Model 70.

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from Tim Platt wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

No closet queens around here. I shoot everything I own, and that is over 30 guns. I went to Academy Outdoors and spent over $350 on ammo this week. Mostly .223's but they had .30 carbines NOT FMJ 50 for $20 so I bought a lot of those and a couple of bricks of the Winchester Wildcats, 9mm, 40S&W, etc. etc. etc....

I swear 6 years ago I could have walked out of the store with the same purchase for $100 and some change. I haven't bought any Weatherby ammo in a loooooong time. I need some. I am in for an unpleasant surprise.

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from goin2themountains wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

Guns I have purchased I mostly shoot. I do have several with sentimental value such as my Mother's .250 Savage, a Great Uncles Smith .38 he carried as a Game Warden, and a few others. Yes, they are closet queens, but when I open the safe, seeing them brings back fond memories. They deserve to take up the space just for that reason, let alone passing along to my son.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

The pair of nickel plated S&W Model 19s will certainly be the last to go from my clutches right there with my grandad and dad's S&W M&P .38 S&W issued during WWII.

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from HogBlog wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

I've got a small and slowly growing pile of closet queens... or safe queens. The worst offender is simply a piece of junk... a Remington 710. It's not even worth the effort to try to sell. I'd be lucky to get enough to pay for the gas to take it to the gun shop to sell.

Then there's the sentimental favorite... my dad's old Remington 742 BDL. I've never been a fan of semi-autos, and with the boxy wood stock on this one, I just don't use it. You couldn't pay me enough to get rid of it, though. There's the Savage Axis with the blown ejector (from testing some new ammo from a certain manufacturer). One day, I'll fix that thing. While I'm at it, I'll also fix my very first deer rifle, the Winchester 94 Trapper. I carried that thing around in the back of my truck until the rear sight sort of wobbles and rattles. I was thinking to replace it with a peep... maybe a Ghost Ring. One day.

There's the Hawken that I just quit shooting because I didn't have a muzzleloading season in the area I was hunting... and I didn't love it enough to use it anyway.

And my old Mossberg 500 that I set aside in favor of the double-barrel. I parked it next to the Remington 870 that I set aside in favor if the Mossberg.

And then there's...

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from Sarge01 wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

The only "closet queens" in my safe are a Win. Model 67 .22 rifle, my first rifle, that I don't shoot anymore , a Iver Johnson Champion 12 ga. that was my Father's first gun that he passed on to me. He passed away 2 years ago at the young age of 92 and a side lock .50 caliber muzzleloader that I have killed 16 deer with but has been retired for an inline muzzleloader. All of the other so called "closet queens" have gone down the road for something useful that I do shoot or at least my grandson will shoot.

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from AlaskanExile wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

O'Garcia:
A lot of those Fugly 350 remingtons hit the trails up here and get used. I was just in a major (major as we get) sporting goods chain-store in Wasilla today and they were sold-out of 350 Remington, 375 Ruger, most of the more useful 338 ammo and most 375 H&H ammo.
A friend of mine lived off the grid for about 25 years, his closest neighbor was a pacifist-vegitarian hippy sort of guy, but that man owned 1 gun and it was a 600 Remington in 350!
He was determined to not participate in the food chain.

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from O Garcia wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

AlaskanExile,

I think the 600/660 are perfect for this purpose. They're light and handy and pack a punch. And they look like no other. Seriously, that distinctive stock means in an emergency, you're not going to be confused as to what rifle you need to grab.

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from Longbeard wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

As some have said, it is those sentimental guns that sit in the back of my gun safe, rarely seeing the light of day, mostly guns I inherited from my father. I've never even shot his '03 Springfield (that is a tragedy in itself) and his no-name .22 bolt action that he taught me to shoot with sits there,too. I've hunted with the Winchester '97 but not in a very long time. And then there's my first gun, the little Ithica 20 ga single shot break action that kicks like a little mule. He snuck that baby into the hospital when I was 10 - he felt so bad for me having to be there that he couldn't wait a couple of months for my birthday to give it to me. He was a tough, unsentimental old bird and for him to do something like that, well, I'm starting to well up even now. I could never hit much with it and didn't even want to start the youngsters out on it for fear of discouraging them from the get-go. But even think about getting rid of it? No way!

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from nunyabinis wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

I've never believed in Closet Queens, no matter how valuable they are. A few years ago I was fortunate enough to purchase a brand spanking new Browning Auto 5 from an estate sale. The old geezer that owned it had never even taken it out of the box. I won't mention how much green I had to relinquish to take possession of this firearm. I've shot the heck out of it ever since I bought it.

My friends think I'm nuts.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

The last line of this article is great and only true of writers with no sense of humor.

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from Big Bob W wrote 41 weeks 3 days ago

I have three closet queens, a Browning A-5 Belgian made 16ga that does not fully eject 2.5 inch shells which are "supposed" to work in the 2 9/16 chamber. An old Winchester .22 cal auto loader that also has ejection and jamming issues and a Steven Revelation 16ga SBS which has an English style replacement stock that has some divots out of it that I ought to fill in with some kind of filler & epoxy. It's other issue is that a previous owner shortened the barrels by about three or four inches and it is a true cylinder bore, no choke at all. I have a 1950's era Model 99 Savage in .300 Savage that I still shoot regularly and usually take along as a back up to my much rebuilt and sporterized 1908 Mauser in 7x57. All my guns have wood stocks. I just like the feel of wood and don't forsee hunting in really nasty weather any time soon.

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from Mark-1 wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

It pains me reading+- those truthful words directed at 458’s closet queens. Granted my Model 70 458 isn’t a plinker, yet it’s fun to fiddle with reduced loads and playing with cast bullets.

Not cheap*, but fun.

*Whatever happened to shooting *cheap cast bullets*???

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from Douglas wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

My "permanent gun safe denizon" is my old daisy bb gun. Its just plain too wore out to shoot any more.
I tend to get all the other occupants out once in a while to warm the barrels up.

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from NHshtr wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

I still alternate my .308 760 BDL (LH) with another rifle for deer hunting. It was a surprise Christmas present from my wife back in '80. It's a pain when I get a ding in it, but I love to use it and decided it will keep getting work as long as it lasts.

My closet queen is a Thompson New Englander muzzle-loader (also LH). I moved to an inline 5 years ago and the NE has been under wraps since. I think it's time to get it up on the wall so I can still admire it's good looks.

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from Safado wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

A little while ago there was an article on how to thin out your collection. Now there's an article about closet queens. Someone responded that they have two safes full of guns...Articles like this make me realize that I'm undergunned, I just don't have enough! I scarcely qualify as a "Gun Nut" judging by quantity alone. In my case I shoot them all but the ones that sit the longest are where I have multiple rifles in the same caliber. I shoot the newer one more than the older.

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from AlaskanExile wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

I have my father's 303 British SMLE "sporterized" by someone with a disc-sander and a few spare moments. It doesn't have a magazine, and I shoot left handed. I don't think I would burden a kid with dragging it around the woods, but I can't part with it either, even though I think he paid $7.50 for it at a storage auction in 1966 or so.
I have my own 303 British SMLE "sporterized" in the same manner, mine has a magazine, but sometimes it blows a case, a really generous chamber. So I don't shoot it either but it was my first rifle, the one I killed my first deer and pronghorn with, so I really can't sell that one either...

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from O Garcia wrote 41 weeks 5 days ago

so far no one has reported a fugly Remington 600/660 carbine or the slightly better looking but still weird Model 673 guide gun. those shark's fin front sights are just about what a bear needs to shove up your (bleep-bleep).

seriously, though, it's probably safe to say nearly every 600/660/673 carbine Remington made in .350 mag. is in some closet in Alaska right now, ready for bear duty.

Remington's ability to make or brand ugly guns - the ill-fated auto rimfires that replaced the Nylon 66, the various Baikal-made SPR's (rugged, but Soviet kind of ugly), the models 710 and 770, it's mind-boggling.

Especially when you realize they also make the Model Seven and the 700 CDL.

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from Mark-O wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

Closet Queens, love the term. Mine are that way simply because I don't have access to wide open areas for plinking and such. Also, minor inconvenience that hunting seasons are so short now and you've got to draw for virtually all our licenses out here!

Fugly Guns! Write a column on that one, Dave! I'd love to hear some stories!

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from coachsjike wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

dave,
what is the standard procedure for cleaning a rifle? wet patches then dry patches? metal brushing with a copper solvent then dry patches? remove all of the copper fouling vs none? i have heard lots of different solutions but not sure on which is best.

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from Scott Jones wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

I have some old guns I don't shoot and some I inherited that I won't let go, but the 'closet queen' is an eight round Maverick 88 12ga with a pistol grip. Its literally in the closet, loaded, and I don't shoot it because its unpleasant to be behind it.
When it comes out all the BS stops.

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from firedog11 wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

Probably a better way to put it is that firearms are like wives (for female shooters - husbands) some are great and some are a pain in the #@$. Be thankful when you find a good one and don't think that its sister is necessarily the same.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

OMG, for a minute I thought this blog was about Anderson Cooper, Barney Frank, and Elton John.....

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from RES1956 wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

I think the only closet queen I've got left is a K-80 Parcours Special with Briley sub gauge tubes. Since I no longer shoot skeet, I really have no reason to own it other than it is in excellent condition and has better than killer grade wood and, most impotantly, has appreciated in value to more than twice what I paid for it in about 1995 (and keeps going up). I can't put money in the bank or market and get that kind of return, I just wish I had bought more of them,,,

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from jjas wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

We've all fallen prey to advertising that promised one shot kills @ heretofore unbelieveable ranges and yes, gun writers contribute to this plague.......LOL.

As I've gotten older, I don't fall for it much anymore and smile a bit when I see a young guy swallowing it hook, line and sinker....

I guess it's all part of the learning process.......

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from Douglas wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

A "winchester model 94 commemorative musket" piqued my curiosity, as I had never heard of one. Google drummed up a couple for sale.
Strange looking gun, that.

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from Bernie wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

Until half dozen years ago when my joints and back went to hell, I used every firearm in my possession over a two-year period. Not anymore. Today, it isn't the "safe queens" that are at fault; it is my inability to get around like I used to!

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from Mike Diehl wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

I don't own any firearms that do not see regular use. My only plastic-stocked jobs are two youth model firearms that were inexpensive, and a muzzleloader. I'm going to replace the MLs stock with a wooden one next year. In my view, other than mountain rifles used in rugged terrain, every rifle should weigh at least eight pounds.

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from deadeyedick wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

closet treasures maybe, but never closet "queens" Some of them are older than dirt,just like I am but they will stay where they are until the day I die and will then be willed to my nephew because he reminds of me when I was 24

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from fox4 wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

David E. Petzal: "Never trust a gun writer."

Except when he says to never trust a gun writer???

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from Constant Gardener wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

I just inherited a bunch of guns from my dad. There are some real gems like a Colt Python and a 20 gauge Remington 58. There are the .22s I grew up with, his Remington 33 and a St. Louis made Browning Semi-Auto. And there are a bunch of guns that are simply his. I'll slide them into the safe behind my small collection of TC Icons, and treasure them fiercely.

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from 99explorer wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

I am in the process of thinning out some of my safe queens. I just sold a S&W Model 24 on consignment at my local gun shop. That went fast.
My Model 17 is taking a little longer to sell. It's a .22LR target revolver, the old K-22. You don't see many of them at the range anymore.

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from Bernie wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

99explorer: I bought a K-22 Masterpiece, Model 27 S & W in 1973 and still have it. The revolver has an 8-3/8" barrel. I shot many cottontail rabbits and ground squirrels with it over the years. One time in Wyoming I even killed a coyote with it! I think I paid $325 for it. What did yours go for, if I may ask?

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from Bernie wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

That should have read "Model 17"--NOT Model 27.

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from FirstBubba wrote 41 weeks 4 days ago

Long ago and far away, I hunted with a set of twins who only had one gun. Their dad's Stevens Model 124. Ever seen one? In 45 years, I've seen three.
It has a plastic stock ala Nylon 66. The action is cataloged as "bolt", but I'm skeptical.
It resembles a Mod 48 Rem, but the "cocking" handle is a round knob attached to a bolt that protrudes out the left side of the receiver. At the shot, the "bolt" pops out. To reload, the "bolt" is pulled back, ejecting the empty, then shoved forward, chambering the next round. The "bolt" is then locked in place by driving the bolt left.
An old friend, rest his soul, "fixed" guns. A old timer he'd scoped a .22 for approached him and asked, "Will you give this a home? I don't want it." and shoved a Mod 124 into his hands.
There is NO bluing left and all exposed metal surfaces are rust pocked. The barrel is a respectable 22", no discernable choke and a brand spanking new Marble front sight.
The "blue book" claims it's valued at $149.50 NIB! LOL! Mine is worth $275/net ton stripped of it's plastic stock at the local scrap yard or 14¢ per pound. My best guess is it's worth is approximately 63¢!
Every time I see it, I get a laugh. Watching those two with their dad's gun was better than watching two bear cubs at play. As long as I can remember my friends, it'll be right there 'til I'm gone. I will NOT shoot it!

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from DakotaMan wrote 41 weeks 3 days ago

My closet queens have been culled out. The only one I ever had was an original AR15 SP1 that couldn't shoot ten inch groups at 100 yards. That was the only rifle I have ever sold. I love every one in the closet but I need a bigger closet.

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from illustrator wrote 41 weeks 3 days ago

My closet queen is a ca. 1912 Remington Model 10 shotgun. It fires perfectly... and then fires again when you rack it if you have another shell loaded in the magazine. I'm reduced to using it as a single-shot, or not using it at all.

The barrel is horribly long, and it's fairly unwieldy, and not in the best of condition. Every gunsmith I've taken it to says it will cost a small fortune to repair it, and that's if it can be repaired at all.

But it was my grandfather's, a gift from his father when he was about 12 years old. He carried it to guard the payroll for the family ranch in the 1920's. It's the only thing he left me, so naturally, I can't bar to part with it.

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from hutter wrote 41 weeks 3 days ago

I have NO C.Q.s. I rotate shooting all my guns,plus my grandson is shooting them now so he's giving them a work out.

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from Tigerbeetle wrote 41 weeks 3 days ago

I have seen several responses that will similar to mine. It is not that any of my 30 +/- rifles, shotguns, and pistols/revolvers etc. are closet queens. I just do have the time and money, but more importantly the place to shoot them. Dove season opens this Saturday I have a Ithaca SKB 100 S/S 28" F&M, an Ithaca Mdl 37 with a 26" imp. cyl, and a 28" Mod. barrel; and a Browning Mdl 12 Win in 20 ga. with a 28" improved cyl. barrel. As much as I wish, I can't carry all of them to the dove field. I really have a lot of fun using my Browning Citori with its 24" barrels and open choke tubes on doves.

I have a similar problem duck hunting. I have a Win. "Heavy" duck gun. 3 in chamber and 32" full choke barrel built in 1954. It went out of service when steel shot became mandatory. Now I use it to shoot a little trap or win turkeys at turkey shoots, and some that know me won't let me shoot my gun. I shoot a 1974 Rem 1100 that I had converted to screw-in chokes for skeet and ducks, and quail if I get an invite. I use the Citori for skeet, also. I was given a Rottweil 720 Super Trap by my deceased F-i-L I that I know very little about. But the first time I every shot trap with it; I went two rounds at 24 each. And missed the same bird in both rounds. But it is 40 miles to the nearest trap and skeet range.

My .270 is more than adequate to take a deer every year, but no elk, bear, goat, antelope or woodchucks like in days past.

Similar problems with my handguns. Just insufficient time to get a place in the country or a local indoor range to shoot them. I don't like to shoot in a range, but sometimes you have no choice. And I won't get started on shooting my .22 rifle and handguns. I have a Rem Model 24 that I finally wore out as a teenager that had belonged to my dad, and his dad. I used to shoot 4 position in college and love to play with my target rifles if I can find a spot. And then there are my .22 pistols. Between Rugers and Brownings, it is hard not to carry 5 or 6 to the range. I finally bought a Radio Flyer red wagon with the wooden side rails to carry all my "stuff" to the firing point. My Range Wagon as I call it.

After all that said, I do have a pair of wall hangers. A Consecutive serial number set of the 1968 Canadian Centennial Win 94s in 30-30. Just haven't had a reason to shoot them.

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from PAShooter wrote 41 weeks 1 day ago

Number of guns manufactured and in U.S.,divided by the number of gun owners in the U.S.of A., equals a lot of "closet queens". I'm glad I'm guilty of this.

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from thequam wrote 40 weeks 3 days ago

To date I haven't bought any closet queens, everything i've bought has been bought with the intention of shooting it. I have however inherited a few guns, a couple of which I shoot on occasion and a couple others that I doubt I will ever shoot.

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from shane wrote 40 weeks 1 day ago

I don't have safe queens. There are the working guns and the guns that I shoot a lot for practice and fun, and then there are the guns that see significantly less use.

They get less use only due to irreplaceability (for a reasonable price, at least) and/or sentimental value. I try to minimize use and preserve them, but they are just too good and too storied to keep them from tasting powder and blood every once in a while.

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from jwallen wrote 38 weeks 3 days ago

I try to shoot everything I own at least once a year. The process starts the day before with a cleaning,tightening and inspection. Then the next day they all get put into the truck and taken down to the range and several groups are fired through each one and sights checked etc. We throw a few clays for each shotgun and just have fun plinking with the .22's. This takes about 10 hours and usually needs my son along to get them all fired. The next day usually is for cleaning, puting them back in the safes ready to go. This way I feel confident that any one of them is ready to go if needed. Some of the rifles haven't needed their sights adjusted in over 15 years. There are several that get shot almost weekly but I like shooting them all. The black powder ones get shot the least but none are "queens" of any type. If they aren't ready to go they are fixed or gone. If you aren't ready to work don't hang out around here! Even the keepsakes get used.

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