



September 05, 2012
The Benefits of a 20-Gauge Dove Gun
By Phil Bourjaily

I once asked a friend in the industry why gun makers gun makers don’t offer “dove specials” if dove hunting is so popular.
“There is a dove special,” he said. “It’s called the 20-gauge Remington 1100.”
The 20 gauge is the classic choice for doves, and I would almost bet more doves have been shot in the United States with 20-gauge 1100s than any other gun. They are heavy enough — mine weighs seven and a half pounds — to swing smoothly and recoil mildly, and the 1100 gas system is among the very softest-kicking.
While 1100s need to be cleaned more often than, say, the Berettas and Benellis that rule the high volume dove fields of Argentina, a properly maintained 1100 can easily see you through a 15 bird limit here at home without malfunction. The guns seem to fit a wide range of people well, also. (I am the outlier. I have a 20-gauge 1100. I can’t hit a thing with it. I bring 12 gauges I can shoot to the dove field.)
Also, 7/8 ounce of lead can kill doves to quite a distance. On my one South American dove hunt, we shot high, challenging doves one very windy afternoon with 20 gauge Fiocchi ammunition and had no trouble killing the ones we could hit. Switching to steel shortens the range a little but even that is enough for birds at reasonable range.
My friend in the picture brought his 20-gauge 1100 to the dove field the other day. I had downplayed expectations because I knew the public area had been hammered the previous day and in the morning before our afternoon shoot. That may explain why Peter only brought one box of shells. To my surprise, we were swarmed by doves. After a while Peter walked over to where I was sitting.
“I’m going to take a break,” he said.
“Why? The doves are flying,” I said.
“I only have four shells left.”
I was shooting a 12 and couldn’t loan him any ammo.
“Tell you what,” I said. “Go back to your spot, load one shell at a time, make those four shots count, then we’ll take turns with my gun.”
He shot four doves (loading one shell at a time does make you focus), then we traded my 12 back and forth until we both had our limits.
Moral of the story: The 20 gauge is enough gun for doves, but only if you bring enough ammo for it.
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I have a single shot 12ga. that has worked well for me, but I had an 870 that failed me over the short life I had with it, so I am looking for a 20ga to shoot at doves, quail, pheasant, and ducks. Goose hunting got too expensive for me to enjoy it, so I'm passing on goose for a while to keep it simple.
I like my 20's for lightness, thin profile to carry, and my 20 ga. Berreta O/U weighs around 7 lbs, but kicks a plenty with trap loads because I only have a rifle pad on it not wanting to cut down on the stock to shorten it. I've broken out the heavy 12 ga. Browning O/U..an O/U weighing over 8 lbs. Same load as the 20, 1 oz. of lead 7.5 shot, and virtually no kick, and great tracking with the heavier gun. But I don't carry the gun much for doves, just shoot. And it has been a great dove season thus far. That 1100 would be a great gun...good for virtually everything, but limited on waterfowl.
I remember shooting doves with a 410 bolt gun left handed with a full cast on my right. I was pulling off shots just as good as Pop was. Shot like a rifle and digested anything you put in it
Phil,
Excellant perspective on the 20 gauge, too bad Peter did not bring enough shells. He is now demoted from 1st mate to a common swabbie for his oversight.....
Sayfu: Why are you shooting 1 oz laods for dove in a 20 gauge ? The standard 7/8 oz load Phil references will kill all the doves you can wish for. Recoil will be less with this load and there are specialty loads out there that would reduce it even more. I would take my 20 gauge 1187 but will have to find that dang plug thing so it is legal for doves :)
I use my 3/4 oz reloads in my Franchi s/s which performed nicely on two long crossing shots while with Phil the next day. Yes a witness !!
I expect the the Remington 1100/20 is the best choice although I have seen most every kind, brand, and gauge of shotgun used successfully on doves. I once had a Sweet 16 A-5 Browning IC that was deadly for some reason even though I sometimes shot the same shells through my Win. M-12 with seemingly less effectiveness. I saw a vintage like new Rem 1100/20 with an extra barrel not long ago for the right price. I passed it up rationalizing that I own enough twenties. I wish I had bought it.
I know the 20 is a great choice but does anyone besides me see the irony that Phil is writing about a 20 gauge yet in that same article he is hunting with a 12?
Coop, You used a 410 on birds? That's pretty good shooting with that one pellet. :-)
Dove shooting is fun, and I'm sure a light recoil 20ga will get the job done nicely. Last time I went on a dove shoot was in North Dakota, used my 12ga pump, and shot a whole butt load of doves...wish I had a 20ga then..
I guess it depends on where you are shooting doves.
In Argentina where we shot 500 - 1000 rds in a morning shoot I shot only a 20ga
while a couple of guys I took on the hunt shot 12 ga 870. Their shoulders were black and blue. When we shot waterfowl I switched to a 12 ga semi-auto for the additional power and fewer targets.
Great piece, Mr. Phil. New York just may get a Dove season next year(this year we got closer). I can't begin to say how awesome that would be. Every New York hunter/shooter needs to get on board with this. I want a sore shoulder and a silly grin on my face. Oh yea, and some doves for the grill.
I know a nice 1100 20ga is just the ticket no argument there, I just can't put down my 12ga and I find that a backbore browning brings me my limit much faster then anything on the market. I see kids shooting trap skeet and sporting clays with the browning backbored shotguns and invector+ chokes that have the highest scores and averages on their squads they also recoil less then many 20ga shotguns because of the weight
I bought my first 1100 in 1971 just after being discharged from the army and never looked back. Now I own 4. The last 1100 was a 20 guage sporting gun that is my go to gun when I want to get serious . I could'nt begin to tell you how many rounds have been shot out of it but it is in the many thousands. your friend in the industry was exactly right in naming it a dove gun. It's kinda wierd but a local gun shop that I frequent just called 2 days ago and said he has a .410 1100 and he put it aside for me. Is that luck or what??
Springerman....I shoot what I have. I've got cases of trap loads for shooting trap. I just grab a box. But I agree. I also have 7/8 Oz loads for my trap shooting, dove shooting and early hun, and ruff grouse shooting, and I could have just as easily grabbed one of those boxes. But I did like the comparison between the 12 and the 20 shooting the same load. Made me realize that a heavier gun does track better than a very light gun. I just do not like carrying the heavier guns very far anymore. My 12 ga. O/u has fixed chokes, Mod/full, and I would not shoot that tight of chokes anymore given a choice for much of my upland shooting.
i hunted doves with an 1100 for nearly half a century. may be a few guns that are as good but none better. although i do like the feel of the new ultra ligthts.
I've never owned and automatic or ever used one but I can say growing up and living in the south, the Remington 1100 was the preferred gun of most dove and quail hunters for years. I can't imagine a more enjoyable gun to shoot on a dove field, for those who like automatics than a 20 gage 1100. I personally have always used an O/U and two shot's was usually all I ever needed for most any bird hunting whether it was ducks, pheasants, dove or quail. To each his own I guess. I shoot the early dove season with my 20 gage Franchi and use a 1 oz load and for me there is no noticeable kick. I like that load quiet frankly as it just seems to reduce the number of cripples. In the second and third season I use my Winchester 101, 12 gage with fixed M & I chokes. I use the 11/8 oz shot load and for the same reason less cripples. The late season were shooting the smart birds. The dumb one are in the freezer and the smart ones fly high, fast and maneuver like a ping pong ball in a wind tunnel so I like the heavier shot load. Good article and I guess for me the one shot at a time with the last four shells is why I shoot an O/U. I take each shot deliberately, as I've seen so many with automatics just rip off three shots consecutively with the third one always being wasted.
I've never owned and automatic or ever used one but I can say growing up and living in the south, the Remington 1100 was the preferred gun of most dove and quail hunters for years. I can't imagine a more enjoyable gun to shoot on a dove field, for those who like automatics than a 20 gage 1100. I personally have always used an O/U and two shot's was usually all I ever needed for most any bird hunting whether it was ducks, pheasants, dove or quail. To each his own I guess. I shoot the early dove season with my 20 gage Franchi and use a 1 oz load and for me there is no noticeable kick. I like that load quiet frankly as it just seems to reduce the number of cripples. In the second and third season I use my Winchester 101, 12 gage with fixed M & I chokes. I use the 11/8 oz shot load and for the same reason less cripples. The late season were shooting the smart birds. The dumb one are in the freezer and the smart ones fly high, fast and maneuver like a ping pong ball in a wind tunnel so I like the heavier shot load. Good article and I guess for me the one shot at a time with the last four shells is why I shoot an O/U. I take each shot deliberately, as I've seen so many with automatics just rip off three shots consecutively with the third one always being wasted.
SD Bob: Phil WILL BE using a 20 gauge the next time he pursues the wily dove !! Thanks for noticing the irony ......
I would love to have an 1100 in 20 ga. and hope to get one someday. My dove gun is an SKB o/u in 20 ga. The 20 is darn near perfect for dove shoots, and works equally well for quail and other upland hunts.
My first dove outing was one box and two doves. I was, in fact, using a 20 gauge, but by no means a "dove special". Montgomery Ward polychoked bolt action. I can blame the gun a little there, right?
I don't go to Argentina and probably shouldn't, so I shoot a 12 gauge at doves, pick my shots, and don't worry about recoil. I'm more likely to use a 20 on turkeys than I am on doves anymore. I want a bunch of #8s through an IC choke and don't push any range limits.
Upland hunting is a fine art and is great for svelte, light kicking 20s and 28s. I can hit all but the most startling grouse just fine, but with doves, it's not pretty, it's war, and I need the field artillery.
Well, today, for the first time in over 30 years, I am going on a dove shoot!! Taking my Remington 870 20 gauge with my modified choke in it. It will be my first time to use this gun. I was raised shooting a Stevens 16 gauge single shot, and used to kill more doves with it than the men with fancy semi-autos way back in those days when me eyes, reflexes were top. No matter, I'll have as much fun today as a person should be allowed to have!
Guy..When I can get two by going bang-bang with my auto that I don't consider fancy..its the biggest seller action on the shop shelves, how can you compete with that using a single shot?...must wait for two to cross. :)
In NY we are waiting on the dove season to become legal. In the meantime pidgeons and crows make for fun shooting with your favorite 20 ga.
Bought a 20 ga. Mossberg pump in the mid '60s for $79.95 at a small retail store. I just got married with not much money and to pay it out at $10.00 a month plus interest. Still love to take it dove hunting each year (along with a Remingtion 1100) just to give it a workout. Love that gun.
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I know the 20 is a great choice but does anyone besides me see the irony that Phil is writing about a 20 gauge yet in that same article he is hunting with a 12?
Great piece, Mr. Phil. New York just may get a Dove season next year(this year we got closer). I can't begin to say how awesome that would be. Every New York hunter/shooter needs to get on board with this. I want a sore shoulder and a silly grin on my face. Oh yea, and some doves for the grill.
In NY we are waiting on the dove season to become legal. In the meantime pidgeons and crows make for fun shooting with your favorite 20 ga.
I have a single shot 12ga. that has worked well for me, but I had an 870 that failed me over the short life I had with it, so I am looking for a 20ga to shoot at doves, quail, pheasant, and ducks. Goose hunting got too expensive for me to enjoy it, so I'm passing on goose for a while to keep it simple.
I like my 20's for lightness, thin profile to carry, and my 20 ga. Berreta O/U weighs around 7 lbs, but kicks a plenty with trap loads because I only have a rifle pad on it not wanting to cut down on the stock to shorten it. I've broken out the heavy 12 ga. Browning O/U..an O/U weighing over 8 lbs. Same load as the 20, 1 oz. of lead 7.5 shot, and virtually no kick, and great tracking with the heavier gun. But I don't carry the gun much for doves, just shoot. And it has been a great dove season thus far. That 1100 would be a great gun...good for virtually everything, but limited on waterfowl.
Phil,
Excellant perspective on the 20 gauge, too bad Peter did not bring enough shells. He is now demoted from 1st mate to a common swabbie for his oversight.....
Sayfu: Why are you shooting 1 oz laods for dove in a 20 gauge ? The standard 7/8 oz load Phil references will kill all the doves you can wish for. Recoil will be less with this load and there are specialty loads out there that would reduce it even more. I would take my 20 gauge 1187 but will have to find that dang plug thing so it is legal for doves :)
I use my 3/4 oz reloads in my Franchi s/s which performed nicely on two long crossing shots while with Phil the next day. Yes a witness !!
I expect the the Remington 1100/20 is the best choice although I have seen most every kind, brand, and gauge of shotgun used successfully on doves. I once had a Sweet 16 A-5 Browning IC that was deadly for some reason even though I sometimes shot the same shells through my Win. M-12 with seemingly less effectiveness. I saw a vintage like new Rem 1100/20 with an extra barrel not long ago for the right price. I passed it up rationalizing that I own enough twenties. I wish I had bought it.
Coop, You used a 410 on birds? That's pretty good shooting with that one pellet. :-)
Dove shooting is fun, and I'm sure a light recoil 20ga will get the job done nicely. Last time I went on a dove shoot was in North Dakota, used my 12ga pump, and shot a whole butt load of doves...wish I had a 20ga then..
I guess it depends on where you are shooting doves.
In Argentina where we shot 500 - 1000 rds in a morning shoot I shot only a 20ga
while a couple of guys I took on the hunt shot 12 ga 870. Their shoulders were black and blue. When we shot waterfowl I switched to a 12 ga semi-auto for the additional power and fewer targets.
I know a nice 1100 20ga is just the ticket no argument there, I just can't put down my 12ga and I find that a backbore browning brings me my limit much faster then anything on the market. I see kids shooting trap skeet and sporting clays with the browning backbored shotguns and invector+ chokes that have the highest scores and averages on their squads they also recoil less then many 20ga shotguns because of the weight
I bought my first 1100 in 1971 just after being discharged from the army and never looked back. Now I own 4. The last 1100 was a 20 guage sporting gun that is my go to gun when I want to get serious . I could'nt begin to tell you how many rounds have been shot out of it but it is in the many thousands. your friend in the industry was exactly right in naming it a dove gun. It's kinda wierd but a local gun shop that I frequent just called 2 days ago and said he has a .410 1100 and he put it aside for me. Is that luck or what??
Springerman....I shoot what I have. I've got cases of trap loads for shooting trap. I just grab a box. But I agree. I also have 7/8 Oz loads for my trap shooting, dove shooting and early hun, and ruff grouse shooting, and I could have just as easily grabbed one of those boxes. But I did like the comparison between the 12 and the 20 shooting the same load. Made me realize that a heavier gun does track better than a very light gun. I just do not like carrying the heavier guns very far anymore. My 12 ga. O/u has fixed chokes, Mod/full, and I would not shoot that tight of chokes anymore given a choice for much of my upland shooting.
i hunted doves with an 1100 for nearly half a century. may be a few guns that are as good but none better. although i do like the feel of the new ultra ligthts.
I've never owned and automatic or ever used one but I can say growing up and living in the south, the Remington 1100 was the preferred gun of most dove and quail hunters for years. I can't imagine a more enjoyable gun to shoot on a dove field, for those who like automatics than a 20 gage 1100. I personally have always used an O/U and two shot's was usually all I ever needed for most any bird hunting whether it was ducks, pheasants, dove or quail. To each his own I guess. I shoot the early dove season with my 20 gage Franchi and use a 1 oz load and for me there is no noticeable kick. I like that load quiet frankly as it just seems to reduce the number of cripples. In the second and third season I use my Winchester 101, 12 gage with fixed M & I chokes. I use the 11/8 oz shot load and for the same reason less cripples. The late season were shooting the smart birds. The dumb one are in the freezer and the smart ones fly high, fast and maneuver like a ping pong ball in a wind tunnel so I like the heavier shot load. Good article and I guess for me the one shot at a time with the last four shells is why I shoot an O/U. I take each shot deliberately, as I've seen so many with automatics just rip off three shots consecutively with the third one always being wasted.
I've never owned and automatic or ever used one but I can say growing up and living in the south, the Remington 1100 was the preferred gun of most dove and quail hunters for years. I can't imagine a more enjoyable gun to shoot on a dove field, for those who like automatics than a 20 gage 1100. I personally have always used an O/U and two shot's was usually all I ever needed for most any bird hunting whether it was ducks, pheasants, dove or quail. To each his own I guess. I shoot the early dove season with my 20 gage Franchi and use a 1 oz load and for me there is no noticeable kick. I like that load quiet frankly as it just seems to reduce the number of cripples. In the second and third season I use my Winchester 101, 12 gage with fixed M & I chokes. I use the 11/8 oz shot load and for the same reason less cripples. The late season were shooting the smart birds. The dumb one are in the freezer and the smart ones fly high, fast and maneuver like a ping pong ball in a wind tunnel so I like the heavier shot load. Good article and I guess for me the one shot at a time with the last four shells is why I shoot an O/U. I take each shot deliberately, as I've seen so many with automatics just rip off three shots consecutively with the third one always being wasted.
SD Bob: Phil WILL BE using a 20 gauge the next time he pursues the wily dove !! Thanks for noticing the irony ......
I would love to have an 1100 in 20 ga. and hope to get one someday. My dove gun is an SKB o/u in 20 ga. The 20 is darn near perfect for dove shoots, and works equally well for quail and other upland hunts.
My first dove outing was one box and two doves. I was, in fact, using a 20 gauge, but by no means a "dove special". Montgomery Ward polychoked bolt action. I can blame the gun a little there, right?
I don't go to Argentina and probably shouldn't, so I shoot a 12 gauge at doves, pick my shots, and don't worry about recoil. I'm more likely to use a 20 on turkeys than I am on doves anymore. I want a bunch of #8s through an IC choke and don't push any range limits.
Upland hunting is a fine art and is great for svelte, light kicking 20s and 28s. I can hit all but the most startling grouse just fine, but with doves, it's not pretty, it's war, and I need the field artillery.
Well, today, for the first time in over 30 years, I am going on a dove shoot!! Taking my Remington 870 20 gauge with my modified choke in it. It will be my first time to use this gun. I was raised shooting a Stevens 16 gauge single shot, and used to kill more doves with it than the men with fancy semi-autos way back in those days when me eyes, reflexes were top. No matter, I'll have as much fun today as a person should be allowed to have!
Guy..When I can get two by going bang-bang with my auto that I don't consider fancy..its the biggest seller action on the shop shelves, how can you compete with that using a single shot?...must wait for two to cross. :)
Bought a 20 ga. Mossberg pump in the mid '60s for $79.95 at a small retail store. I just got married with not much money and to pay it out at $10.00 a month plus interest. Still love to take it dove hunting each year (along with a Remingtion 1100) just to give it a workout. Love that gun.
I remember shooting doves with a 410 bolt gun left handed with a full cast on my right. I was pulling off shots just as good as Pop was. Shot like a rifle and digested anything you put in it
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