



September 24, 2012
Shotgun Stocks: There's Mystery in Wood
By David E. Petzal
This past week I shot Sporting Clays with a friend of mine named Charlie Yellott, who is not only a hell of a shotgunner, but a fine gunsmith as well. Charlie was shooting a Remington Model 32 o/u which had been built in 1934. He had rust-blued it and stocked it in an iridescent piece of black walnut. It was a reminder that wood can’t compete with chemicals for a working-rifle stock, but on a shotgun, wood is the only thing to have. (Unless, of course, you want to do something like hunt waterfowl or turkeys, and then who cares?)
A figured wood stock is like a snowflake; it is unique; there has never been one exactly like it and there never will be another one like it. Moreover, it will change over the course of time. Walnut usually darkens as it ages, and its colors get richer. One of the great satisfactions in working with walnut is sanding a blank as smooth as glass and then applying the finish. It is at that point that the thing is literally transformed. All the shades and tones jump to life in an instant.
There’s mystery in wood. As you cut into a blank fancy figure can vanish and be replaced by no figure, or a plain blank can metamorphose into a thing of wonder.
If you’re not familiar with it, there are four varieties of walnut that are used for stocks. The first, Juglans regia, is the tree with thin-shelled nuts that grows in France, England, and Turkey. Second is American black walnut, Juglans nigra, which is not as desirable. It’s more porous, somewhat heavier, and in its plain grades, furnishes most of our factory wood stocks. In its fancier grades, it can cause you to wet yourself. Claro walnut comes from California. It’s more porous and not as strong as other varieties, but its colors are spectacular. Bastogne walnut is a hybrid of claro and black, and produces spectacular wood. It’s heavy and strong, and I’ve had at least one stockmaker refuse to work on a Bastogne blank for which I had paid a lot of money. Its grain was too irregular, he said, and he wasn’t getting involved.
I dearly love wood. I may have to take my battered Beretta side-by-side up to Charlie and see if he has any more blanks lying around.
Comments (34)
What? No picture of that 32? Sounds gorgeous.
ive been saying it forever phil, a shotgun should have wood on it, i doubt i will ever own a synthetic shotgun.
I bought 2 identical SPIII's from Beretta, sight unseen(I have a buddy who is a higher up at Beretta USA)when I unpacked them I was a little surprised at the difference in the two stocks.
One was a rich deep dark "traditional" color, the other was a little lighter shade and "tiger striped" wit a golden iridescence when the light hit it just right.
It was a tough decision as to which to keep,and which to give as a gift.
AHHHHH, Walnut, the wood of my dreams.
I'm continuing to have a hellava time logging into this site and usually just give up and go to a more user friendly site. Regardless I have one rifle with drop dead gorgeous "french" walnut AAA grade at least. Sometimes on a slow hunting day I get side tracked stareing deep into the figure or wondering if I can push my finger into it to add or delete a swirl or two. I rarely put that rifle on a horse because many of us know how little horses care for nice, or any, rifles.
I was glad I had synthetic on my goose gun today. Gad, the jungle I had to crawl through to get to the marsh where Pearl lost a goose Saturday! We finally got it but my gawd that alder and poplar jungle was unbelievable! Even if I'd had the Pittsburg Steelers' offensive line clearing the way, a fine wood stock would still have got beat to crap. Man, that was awful. I'm actually hurting all over. My guns are tools not art forms. I appreciate the ones that are art forms but I don't have any use for them. I'd ruin them the way I hunt.
I agree that having a wood stock truly give a firearm its own character. One thing that I have been wondering lately is why walnut the wood of choice in the firearms industry? Is it simply tradition or does the properties of the wood come into play. Ash is the standard for baseball bats, but I believe that is do to the ability to flex and still remain strong. I have nothing against walnut, it really is a beautiful type of wood, however there are other kinds like oak and maple, which are mighty fine looking too. Is there someone who could shed some light on this?
Dave and all, I have a Marlin 336 built in 1967 that has an Am. Black Walnut stock that will make a man check his shorts.
Marlin should have kept this stock and charged more and built the Birch made models as they do now as an economical model.
P.S. Check page 144,6A and see the .450 Ackley with the Black Walnut stock from Terry Weiland's book Dangerous Game Rifles,2nd edition.
There are some beautiful stocks made of maple. Oak is too heavy and porous to make a decent stock.
Ish, I too have always wanted a fine English marblecake walnut stock. IMO it's the most beautiful wood there is for guns.
Also feel your pain about this site. It's another reason I don't visit much anymore.
Ok Dave, now we all need to see this fine-stocked-shotgun,Pretty PLEASE?
IMHO the finishing process is what brings the beauty out in Walnut and Maple gunstocks…even in fairly *plain* wood.
I hate the modern varnishes although easy to apply and work, but to me it’s akin to rolling wall paint over a Van Gogh. I fill the wood’s pores with spar varnish and sanding the spar varnish down to bare wood. This clear coat brings out the grain and protects the figure. I finish with thin multi-coats linseed or tung oil allowing each coating to dry completely prior sanding with emery paper.
Takes a long time and is an act of love, but a superior finish for any fine wood.
I love wood stocks. It was the beautiful grain that, at least in part, convinced me to buy my Silver Pigeon instead of a Citori (always liked the feel of a Berreta over a Browning anyway). But synthetics definitely have their place. Just don't think of synthetic-stocked guns as heirlooms, but a nice wood stock...now that's something to cherish for generations.
There really have been more problems logging on to this site in the past few weeks than ever before. Web Administrator, figure it out before you lose your audience...while Petzal and Bourjaily certainly are the cornerstones, it is the contributors that make the Gun Nuts the best hunting/shooting blog on the net (if you have ever tried to have a serious discussion on any other blogs you know what I'm talking about).
while oak makes fine wood for furniture and doors because of its strength, it simply is too porous for the fine checkering applied to gunstocks. the diamonds in the checkering pattern would simply fall off.
according to J.C. in O.L. (wink, wink) maple used to be more popular than it is today, the early Kentucky rifles were often stocked in maple. the curly pattern is not only beautiful, but also lends strength. mesquite is another alternative to walnut. before synthetics and laminates, beech was the choice for target guns as it is very stable.
but walnut's beauty has broader appeal. and its combination of strength to weight ratio, beauty, ability to be inletted and checkered, and finally, availability, make it the best wood stock material.
I re-blued and re-finished two shotguns over the winter, one a old Sear single shot .410 with a blond stock and the other a single shot Stevens 16 gauge with a walnut stock that was rusty and beat up from years of use. They both look like new now and are absolutly flawless, lots of time involved but well worth it!
Charlie Yellott is certainly the fine gunsmith you say he is. I have had work done by him in years past and I cannot say too many good things about it. I am fortunate in that I don't live very far away from his somewhat remote location. Decent gunsmiths seem to be a vanishing breed these days.
I also agree with the bitching about logging on to your site. It needs some serious fixing. I also note that I am suddenly NOT getting the main F&S site! Where did that go?
Yeah, we lost one of our best contributors, Happy Myles, over the clunkiness and sometimes impossible nature of the website. He joins a long list of others who had enough.
Really? I figured he was off in the wilds hunting again. Too sad.
Happy Myles posted that he was tired of the "obscene comment' autoresponse and log-on issues and politely said his farewell.
I don't have a problem with the altogether faulty obscenity filter. But why does it throw the post into the twilight zone? Why not just give the author a chance to fix it rather than make it disappear? Guess that would make too much sense.
I think the faulty obscenity filter has a strange sense of political correctness.
if its a beretta with two barrels you better pattern it first before putting any more money into it many O/Us have a barrel regulation problem
Count yet another vote on behalf of a beautiful, figured walnut stock. Dave mentions Juglans regia, which is the Turkish walnut that is so highly prized. A variant of Juglans regia is Circassian walnut, trees native to the Caucusus region in the former USSR, north of Turkey and Iran. Circassian walnut stocks are as nice to look at as a Victoria's Secret catalog. To answer northernminnesotaguy2's question of "Why walnut for gun stocks?". I once asked this question of a fellow who owned a walnut tree farm in northern California that specialzed in Claro walnut stock blanks starting at $750. He said that while other woods (oak, sugar maple) are harder than walnut, walnut handles the "shock" of the gun shot better than most any other wood; that maple and oak might occasionally shatter under stiff recoil.
What?! Petzal has a shotgun! I guess next your gonna tell me Bourjaily has a pistol. You guys really ARE Gun Nuts. Col. Askins would be proud.
Geez, Happy Myles no longer contributing!!! Petzal, Bourjaily, if that isn't a wake up call, I don't know what is. You two need to get on the IT guys and get this blog fixed before it becomes another one of those "also rans"!
I have found that If I log in, then re-load the page. It almost always works.
Sometimes you have to let your computer work with the site for a few seconds longer than you would like, then it flashes back to where you were and everything works.
Keeping your flash-player, Java and other plug-ins up to date helps too, I think.
Just my two-cents
AKX
I find this article to be nearly useless as it DOESNT FEATURE ANY PICTURES OF WALNUT STOCKS! C'mon David, show us that wood!
To all who complained about the problems getting on this blog. Count me among you, because I have to log on twice, and sometimes my comments don't register. I forwarded your comments to the blog administrator, and I'd appreciate hearing if there's any change.I still have to log on twice, but I'm afraid to screw with it as it would probably only get worse.
To buckstopper: I have several shotguns, and I shoot them whether I need to or not.
To those who like walnut. I don't know if I can get a photo of Charlie Yellott's Model 32, but I can show you some of my guns.
The greatest asset to having synthetic stocks is when, not if, it gets scratched and gouged up on a hunt you really don't care as it looked like crap to start with!
I've cried over wood stocks........
Attempted to post a pic of a Winchester 21 with fancy American black walnut to prove Petzal's point about wetting yourself.......but it rejected it saying my comment could not contain obscene words....I assume they were talking about Petzal.
Whether you're hunting waterfowl, turkeys, upland birds or clay targets life is too short to shoot an ugly gun. I take my Winchester 21 Duck grade and A.H. Fox out to shoot ducks every season. That's what they were made for. Please Dave, show us some of your guns and keep up the good work on Gun Nuts.
i know that as far as accurate rifles are concerned, wood is out. call me old fashioned, or hard headed, i really do not care. to me a plasti-rifle is something that you beat half to death, and no one will care. they make great military and police weapons. or weapons to be used under terrible conditions. but a nice wood stock, brings a rifle alive. it gives it its own personality. which can cause accuracy problems i suppose. but in the 42 years i have been hunting, i have never had a wood stock cause enough of an accuracy problem to make any difference. can a wood stocked rifle, shoot a 1/4 moa group? certainly. can it do it on every day, regardless of the heat and humidity, well, maybe not. but it will still look a lot better than any plasti-rifle out there.
Years ago I was given an old Stevens #300 with a busted nylon stock! It just laid in my gun case for years. Now and then I'd hunt for a stock I liked to no avail (pre web), THEN along came the World Wide Web!!! Now, I'm fitting and refinishing a BEAUTIFUL walnut stock and fore piece for my double 12! I found a great "Old Refinishing Recipe" to finish it off with and couldn't be happier!!!
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I'm continuing to have a hellava time logging into this site and usually just give up and go to a more user friendly site. Regardless I have one rifle with drop dead gorgeous "french" walnut AAA grade at least. Sometimes on a slow hunting day I get side tracked stareing deep into the figure or wondering if I can push my finger into it to add or delete a swirl or two. I rarely put that rifle on a horse because many of us know how little horses care for nice, or any, rifles.
Geez, Happy Myles no longer contributing!!! Petzal, Bourjaily, if that isn't a wake up call, I don't know what is. You two need to get on the IT guys and get this blog fixed before it becomes another one of those "also rans"!
What? No picture of that 32? Sounds gorgeous.
ive been saying it forever phil, a shotgun should have wood on it, i doubt i will ever own a synthetic shotgun.
I was glad I had synthetic on my goose gun today. Gad, the jungle I had to crawl through to get to the marsh where Pearl lost a goose Saturday! We finally got it but my gawd that alder and poplar jungle was unbelievable! Even if I'd had the Pittsburg Steelers' offensive line clearing the way, a fine wood stock would still have got beat to crap. Man, that was awful. I'm actually hurting all over. My guns are tools not art forms. I appreciate the ones that are art forms but I don't have any use for them. I'd ruin them the way I hunt.
Dave and all, I have a Marlin 336 built in 1967 that has an Am. Black Walnut stock that will make a man check his shorts.
Marlin should have kept this stock and charged more and built the Birch made models as they do now as an economical model.
P.S. Check page 144,6A and see the .450 Ackley with the Black Walnut stock from Terry Weiland's book Dangerous Game Rifles,2nd edition.
There are some beautiful stocks made of maple. Oak is too heavy and porous to make a decent stock.
Ish, I too have always wanted a fine English marblecake walnut stock. IMO it's the most beautiful wood there is for guns.
Also feel your pain about this site. It's another reason I don't visit much anymore.
Ok Dave, now we all need to see this fine-stocked-shotgun,Pretty PLEASE?
while oak makes fine wood for furniture and doors because of its strength, it simply is too porous for the fine checkering applied to gunstocks. the diamonds in the checkering pattern would simply fall off.
according to J.C. in O.L. (wink, wink) maple used to be more popular than it is today, the early Kentucky rifles were often stocked in maple. the curly pattern is not only beautiful, but also lends strength. mesquite is another alternative to walnut. before synthetics and laminates, beech was the choice for target guns as it is very stable.
but walnut's beauty has broader appeal. and its combination of strength to weight ratio, beauty, ability to be inletted and checkered, and finally, availability, make it the best wood stock material.
What?! Petzal has a shotgun! I guess next your gonna tell me Bourjaily has a pistol. You guys really ARE Gun Nuts. Col. Askins would be proud.
I find this article to be nearly useless as it DOESNT FEATURE ANY PICTURES OF WALNUT STOCKS! C'mon David, show us that wood!
I bought 2 identical SPIII's from Beretta, sight unseen(I have a buddy who is a higher up at Beretta USA)when I unpacked them I was a little surprised at the difference in the two stocks.
One was a rich deep dark "traditional" color, the other was a little lighter shade and "tiger striped" wit a golden iridescence when the light hit it just right.
It was a tough decision as to which to keep,and which to give as a gift.
AHHHHH, Walnut, the wood of my dreams.
I agree that having a wood stock truly give a firearm its own character. One thing that I have been wondering lately is why walnut the wood of choice in the firearms industry? Is it simply tradition or does the properties of the wood come into play. Ash is the standard for baseball bats, but I believe that is do to the ability to flex and still remain strong. I have nothing against walnut, it really is a beautiful type of wood, however there are other kinds like oak and maple, which are mighty fine looking too. Is there someone who could shed some light on this?
IMHO the finishing process is what brings the beauty out in Walnut and Maple gunstocks…even in fairly *plain* wood.
I hate the modern varnishes although easy to apply and work, but to me it’s akin to rolling wall paint over a Van Gogh. I fill the wood’s pores with spar varnish and sanding the spar varnish down to bare wood. This clear coat brings out the grain and protects the figure. I finish with thin multi-coats linseed or tung oil allowing each coating to dry completely prior sanding with emery paper.
Takes a long time and is an act of love, but a superior finish for any fine wood.
I love wood stocks. It was the beautiful grain that, at least in part, convinced me to buy my Silver Pigeon instead of a Citori (always liked the feel of a Berreta over a Browning anyway). But synthetics definitely have their place. Just don't think of synthetic-stocked guns as heirlooms, but a nice wood stock...now that's something to cherish for generations.
There really have been more problems logging on to this site in the past few weeks than ever before. Web Administrator, figure it out before you lose your audience...while Petzal and Bourjaily certainly are the cornerstones, it is the contributors that make the Gun Nuts the best hunting/shooting blog on the net (if you have ever tried to have a serious discussion on any other blogs you know what I'm talking about).
I re-blued and re-finished two shotguns over the winter, one a old Sear single shot .410 with a blond stock and the other a single shot Stevens 16 gauge with a walnut stock that was rusty and beat up from years of use. They both look like new now and are absolutly flawless, lots of time involved but well worth it!
Charlie Yellott is certainly the fine gunsmith you say he is. I have had work done by him in years past and I cannot say too many good things about it. I am fortunate in that I don't live very far away from his somewhat remote location. Decent gunsmiths seem to be a vanishing breed these days.
I also agree with the bitching about logging on to your site. It needs some serious fixing. I also note that I am suddenly NOT getting the main F&S site! Where did that go?
Yeah, we lost one of our best contributors, Happy Myles, over the clunkiness and sometimes impossible nature of the website. He joins a long list of others who had enough.
Really? I figured he was off in the wilds hunting again. Too sad.
Happy Myles posted that he was tired of the "obscene comment' autoresponse and log-on issues and politely said his farewell.
I don't have a problem with the altogether faulty obscenity filter. But why does it throw the post into the twilight zone? Why not just give the author a chance to fix it rather than make it disappear? Guess that would make too much sense.
I think the faulty obscenity filter has a strange sense of political correctness.
if its a beretta with two barrels you better pattern it first before putting any more money into it many O/Us have a barrel regulation problem
Count yet another vote on behalf of a beautiful, figured walnut stock. Dave mentions Juglans regia, which is the Turkish walnut that is so highly prized. A variant of Juglans regia is Circassian walnut, trees native to the Caucusus region in the former USSR, north of Turkey and Iran. Circassian walnut stocks are as nice to look at as a Victoria's Secret catalog. To answer northernminnesotaguy2's question of "Why walnut for gun stocks?". I once asked this question of a fellow who owned a walnut tree farm in northern California that specialzed in Claro walnut stock blanks starting at $750. He said that while other woods (oak, sugar maple) are harder than walnut, walnut handles the "shock" of the gun shot better than most any other wood; that maple and oak might occasionally shatter under stiff recoil.
I have found that If I log in, then re-load the page. It almost always works.
Sometimes you have to let your computer work with the site for a few seconds longer than you would like, then it flashes back to where you were and everything works.
Keeping your flash-player, Java and other plug-ins up to date helps too, I think.
Just my two-cents
AKX
To all who complained about the problems getting on this blog. Count me among you, because I have to log on twice, and sometimes my comments don't register. I forwarded your comments to the blog administrator, and I'd appreciate hearing if there's any change.I still have to log on twice, but I'm afraid to screw with it as it would probably only get worse.
To buckstopper: I have several shotguns, and I shoot them whether I need to or not.
To those who like walnut. I don't know if I can get a photo of Charlie Yellott's Model 32, but I can show you some of my guns.
The greatest asset to having synthetic stocks is when, not if, it gets scratched and gouged up on a hunt you really don't care as it looked like crap to start with!
I've cried over wood stocks........
Attempted to post a pic of a Winchester 21 with fancy American black walnut to prove Petzal's point about wetting yourself.......but it rejected it saying my comment could not contain obscene words....I assume they were talking about Petzal.
Whether you're hunting waterfowl, turkeys, upland birds or clay targets life is too short to shoot an ugly gun. I take my Winchester 21 Duck grade and A.H. Fox out to shoot ducks every season. That's what they were made for. Please Dave, show us some of your guns and keep up the good work on Gun Nuts.
i know that as far as accurate rifles are concerned, wood is out. call me old fashioned, or hard headed, i really do not care. to me a plasti-rifle is something that you beat half to death, and no one will care. they make great military and police weapons. or weapons to be used under terrible conditions. but a nice wood stock, brings a rifle alive. it gives it its own personality. which can cause accuracy problems i suppose. but in the 42 years i have been hunting, i have never had a wood stock cause enough of an accuracy problem to make any difference. can a wood stocked rifle, shoot a 1/4 moa group? certainly. can it do it on every day, regardless of the heat and humidity, well, maybe not. but it will still look a lot better than any plasti-rifle out there.
Years ago I was given an old Stevens #300 with a busted nylon stock! It just laid in my gun case for years. Now and then I'd hunt for a stock I liked to no avail (pre web), THEN along came the World Wide Web!!! Now, I'm fitting and refinishing a BEAUTIFUL walnut stock and fore piece for my double 12! I found a great "Old Refinishing Recipe" to finish it off with and couldn't be happier!!!
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