



October 05, 2012
Gunstocks: More on Wood
By David E. Petzal
One day, your grandkids may ask if gunstocks were actually made out of wood. They may also ask you what a gun was. We’ll talk more about the second part after the first week in November, but the first part we can deal with now.
You can make a good wood stock out of other trees besides walnut. Here are some of them:
Wild cherry. Nice, tight-grained, light, but tends to be bland. When the old Herter’s company sold semi-finished stock blanks, they specialized in wild cherry.
Birch. Light, strong, tight-grained but even less figure than cherry, birch has been popular in Europe for a long time, and I suspect that a lot of American rifles have birch stocks stained to look like walnut.
Maple. There are three or four varieties of figure, of which I can remember only fiddleback and tiger-stripe. Maple makes a spectacular looking stock if it’s properly handled. To bring out the figure, you toast it lightly with a blowtorch, which is called suigi finish. The wood has admirable properties, but it can be stringy and hard to checker, and it’s not as strong as some of the others. The master of the maple stock was a gunmaker named Hal Hartley, who worked in Lenoir, NC, and used only that wood. A Hal Hartley rifle is unmistakable.
Mesquite. Very heavy, very, very strong, and very difficult to find a blank that isn’t peppered with knotholes and pinholes. It’s pale blonde with dark black and brown streaks. The first .460 Weatherbys had mesquite stocks, and they were something to behold. The wood is dead stable and hard as rock, but working with it is a pain in the ass.
Yama. Who the hell ever heard of yama? I did. It’s an exotic wood from, I think, Hawaii, and is super-light while being adequately strong. Back in the 50s and 60s, if you wanted an ultra-light rifle, you looked for a nice yama blank.
Laminated. Laminated stocks go back at least to World War II when the Germans stocked Mauser 98s with them. Strong, stable, and heavy. The most recent development in laminated wood is blanks with fancy veneer glued to the outer surfaces, so that your laminated stock looks like a homogeneous hunk of walnut for which you paid a fortune. With the best of these, you have to look very, very hard to see that it’s actually a glue job.
Myrtle. Not used much these days. If you get a good blank it can have spectacular grain that can be mistaken for fine walnut. However, it’s not all that strong, tends to absorb oil, and is tough to checker. I haven’t seen a new myrtle-stocked rifle in a long time.
Mahogany. Very light, no figure whatsoever, but otherwise OK. Used in guitar backs a lot.
And, speaking of guitars, there was a time when luthiers used only mahogany and rosewood for the backs and sides of their instruments, and spruce for the faces. Now, they’re using all kinds of exotic woods, and it’s quite likely that stockmakers of the future will be using something neither you nor I have ever heard of.
Comments (46)
I've always wanted to make a stock from Osage Orange.
I've seen some European rifles with gun stocks that appeared to have wood of the same grade and looks that you would use to frame a house. I wonder what that's called?
I've always thought cocobolo would be good for a stock.
@ idahoguy - I think that's called "Russian"
idahoguy - That'd be "loblolly" pine. Bright yellow, brittle as glass and absolutely impossible to locate either straight OR without knots! (It's what they use to make "knotty pine" paneling with!)
A late 70's Rinehart Fajen catalog had a picture of a rifle stocked with "screw bean" mesquite! That had to be the most beautiful piece of wood I've ever seen! ...too me anyhow!
'sausage, an old buddy of mine used "Osage Orange" (bois d'arc) as fore end caps! Absolutely beautiful! Hard as nails!
Birdseye maple is beautiful and I see blanks for sale all the time but be aware that it's not very strong. I have seen two of these break at the comb. One was even a thumbhole stock.
Birch has a tendency to twist as it ages, therefore it is not a good choice for gunstocks. Dave, probably what you are thinking is stained birch is actually red alder or even poplar (very hard to differentiate the two woods). The stuff is steady (no twisting) and easily machined (one of the softer hardwoods) but swells easily, usually works its way loose from the action (especially two piece stocks), and any time the stain gets scratched it leaves an unslightly blond scar. Back in the late sixties and seventies when the race was on among the major gunmakers to see who could make the cheapest crummiest piece of crap guns with which to flood the market, walnut stained alder stocks were very common. Rarely are they hand checkered. Because the wood is so soft I doubt it would hold up. The checkering is usually pressed in with a machine (and butt ugly!).
There are many types of mahogany. Some are exceedingly beautiful but most of these species are now endangered and importation is restricted or banned. Phillipine mahogany is the stuff doors are made of. Like alder, it's really too soft for gun stocks, in my opinion. It can be quite grainy and I doubt anyone could hand checker the stuff.
Although some of my wood stocks resemble early american fence post,I would like to have a maple tiger stripe stock for a Remington 700 modeled after their BDL stock
I've got two large sections of Olive tree trunk that are large enough to make at least a few stocks. I just don't know anyone personally who can/will do it. My 'smith has no experience with olive and says he doesn't know anyone who does, but he's looking. The trees were just cut down a couple months ago.
These trees are 60-plus years old that had to be removed. I didn't pay a dime to have them removed, as that cost was picked up by two carving partners who specialize in olive wood to make bowls, salad utensils, etc. It is gorgeous wood, and the carvers were all too happy to pay for the tree removal in exchange for most of the wood. I know it cost at least $1,800 to remove those trees.
In my misspent youth, I constructed literally miles of fence with Osage orange post. In revenge, it is the main wood used in my custom bow.
Dave, what about holly? I have a set of holly grips on my Combat Commander and they appear to be ivory at first glance.
Believe many old Remington 1100's were stocked with mahogany. Light weight.
I think another type of figure in maple is called curly maple. I have seen pictures of some old muskets that had beautiful maple stocks.
The sad thing is wood, good wood, is expensive. I can understand synthetic stocks in many tough environments, but I greatly appreciate the value of a beautiful wood stock married to a richly blued barrel and action.
There was a self taught gunsmith that lived way back in the mountains when I was first staioned in the county I live in now. He made almost all of his gunstocks out of cherry. Some of the prettiest stocks that I have ever seen he made. I would love to have a stock made out of that dark cherry. It didn't have a lot of figure in the wood but the lustre was great. He passed away about 20 years ago before I could get a stock made for one of my rifles.
Years ago i helped install some expensive Pecan cabinets for a good custumer. I often thought it would make a great and beautiful gunstock. Anyone heard of it? Dave?
to all: I think you can make a gunstock out of nearly any wood. The question is, how good will it be? Years ago I handled a sporter rifle with a rosewood stock, and the thing weighed something like 13 pounds. Africa has probably a dozen species of hardwoods, and I mean hard, that we've never heard of, that might make terrific stocks.
i once had a custom stock made from fancy New Zealand walnut (a variety of Juglans regia, or English walnut) that had a Janka hardness rating of 1500. It had beautiful figure and took very fine checkering.
Those of you who have a copy of Jim Carmichel's Book of The Rifle, there is a chapter on stock wood and Stockmakers containing lots of great information on wood and craftsmen. By the way, one of the beautiful rifles pictured was crafted for Dave Petzal by Winston Churchill of stock making fame, not British politics. Another good read is Checkering & Carving of Gunstocks by the late great Momty Kennedy.
Carmichel's book, written in 1985, mentions synthetic stocks as being the wave of the future. It appears he was right, but I still love beautiful wood, and glad I own mt share. Kindest Regards
I have little experience with gun stocks but at the SCI convention in Vegas last winter I saw gun stocks which should hang in the Louvre. Amazing what some of these guys can do with a hunk of wood.
Second to last line should read "my share" , not "mt share"
hey dave,
what about ash? they use it for baseball bats, hard as hell.
To me, there is nothing better than beautiful American Walnut and rich deep bluing on a firearm. Its lucious and we are deserving!
pressureglued laminated bamboo methinks.. after using wood for anything has been outlawed offcourse :P
African Walnut is really good.It's also known as fiberglass.
I have two friends in Pennsylvania that make Pensylvania long rifles and Hawken style rifles and they use curly maple or birdseye maple. They cut, dry, and carve the wood themselves. Absolutely beautiful stocks. At the present time they are not taking any orders.
@ Ontario Honker --- For many years Mossberg, Marlin, as well as other manufacturers, listed some of their 'cheaper' line of guns as having a birch stock. The Model 60 and a lot of the Glenfield line come to mind as a couple of these. A lot of others also touted that their guns had a 'hardwood' stock. Unsure of what wood it actually was.
But it sure wasn't walnut. Mostly due to the cost of the wood.
What is an ad teeling us to support Obama doing on your e-mail? He wants to outlaw guns! The gun nuts must really be nuts!
My brother has a curly maple stock on a 7mm Weatherby. It is quite attractive, although I prefer French, American or Claro walnut for stocks. I knew a guy in North Dakota who also had a 7mm Weatherby stocked in mesquite. I think that rifle weighed 12 pounds! His nephews and nieces got all his guns after he died 20 years ago.
"Walnut finished hardwood" offered on some economy-grade rifles is usually birch wood stained the color of walnut. Trouble is that the walnut color is only skin deep, and every little ding shows up as a white spot.
You forgot to mention my favorite, Pistachio. Stronger than walnut, and just as beautiful.
Many years ago a friend brought me a nice stock he had gotten his hands on somehow. Beautiful wood, weighed a ton and he asks me to checker it for him. I tried. Brand new checkering cutters barely scratched it! it was like trying to checker a diamond. He said he was told it was fancy walnut, I think it might have been Mesquite. And it WAS a pain in the a$$!
99explorer, actually most of those are alder or poplar, though often described as birch because wood is white like birch. Birch doesn't take a stain quite as well as alder or poplar. Also the latter two are easier to stamp the checkering into. Birch is also considerably heavier than alder or poplar. It's much harder but, as I said, tends to change shape over time which is not a good thing for accuracy. The other two "hardwoods" are much more stable.
Bruisedsausage,
I've always wondered about Osage Orange. I grew up around hedge rows of it, that's what some farmers used to keep their cattle in back in the day because of the way it tangled around. God forbid a stupid cow managed to get in it, may as well butcher it there. It was the toughest wood to cut.
It looked 'stringy' to me for a stock but damn is it tough.
Maple is one of the most difficult hard hardwoods to work with. My brother is a professional cabinet maker and he hates the stuff. Tends to blow up for no reason during cutting and I can imagine it is not the easiest thing in the world to checker. Come to think of it, I can't recall seeing a maple stocked gun that had checkering. I imagine because of its density, maple is also heavier than walnut. It is definitely a brittle wood. One needs to excersize care with any gun stocked in that wood. Both broken stocks I encountered were the result of the guns simply being dropped.
Duckdog, I got a blank of tiger maple that been in my gun room since the early 80's. Going to put a Kelby action in it next summer. Deadeye, what part of Pa is your friends from? I know some that do the same that live north of Pittsburgh
What about beech? I seem to remember it going into the Remington 600 laminate, although the example downstairs right now is solid walnut.
Would solid beech be any good beyond looks or lack thereof?
We have a piece of furniture made from mulberry that was cut from the family farm. The craftsman that made it said that while it was beautiful to look at, he would never, ever, have anything to do with mulberry again. Has anyone seen a stock or forend made of mulberry?
smokey037,
I have refinished over 300 gunstocks for people and some of them have been on the budget rifles with the "hardwood" stocks. I found some of them to be sycamore. With a walnut forend cap and grip cap and a nice finish some of the rifles didn't come out too bad or at least my customers liked them.
One of the nicest stocks I've ever seen was 100% birdeye maple with a light varnish finish holding a 6.5x55mm Sweedish Mauser, freshly reblued and quite a good looking piece of hardware. Those slow-growth woods with tight grain, properly aged, still make great stocks, even though they're a rare find.
If you want an accurate and good looking wood stock go to AIgunstocks.com and look at some of their wood stocks.
To Tom-Tom, Mulberry is closely related to Osage Orange. IIRC, the Mulberry is just a little "softer' but plenty tough, stable and heavy.
I know osage orange's connection to hunting as one of the woods used by American Indians (Native Americans for the PC) for building their bows.
It's also a good bug repellent, sort of natural DEET, according to Encyclopedia Britannica.
I tried making a set of grips for a Ruger revolver out of American walnut. I must have made 20 of them. They were unstable and would shrink. I bought some Brazilian cherry and made a set out of that. It is a very hard wood, stable, and is dark in color, but not as dark as walnut. It has a very light reddish tint to it. Those grips turned out very nice. I left them smooth since I don't have a checkering tool set.
One more thing. I think Brazilian cherry would make a beautiful rifle or shotgun stock. Oh, and I used Tru-oil on the set of grips.
I used to make doors and I have used Brazilian Cherry it is harder than Oak. You can burn drill bits up on the stuff fast. I wonder why stocks have never been made out of Mahogany. Everyone makes doors out of it because it never moves or warps, is easy to work with, and insects hate it.
Dr. Ralph- I use a slower drill speed to avoid burning the bits and clear the chips frequently. You are so right, it is a very hard wood.
I opened this article because I respect David Petzal's opinions on guns. But I don't give a hoot about his political agenda. My grandkids won't know what a gun is? Sorry Dave, but with more guns than people in this country they'll know. They'll know by the continued slaughter in the streets enabled by people who make excuses for why it happens every single day. Not to mention the 50 some they will inherit from me. I think you're a great gun writer. But put-lease, leave your Tea Party opinions back in your home office.
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Those of you who have a copy of Jim Carmichel's Book of The Rifle, there is a chapter on stock wood and Stockmakers containing lots of great information on wood and craftsmen. By the way, one of the beautiful rifles pictured was crafted for Dave Petzal by Winston Churchill of stock making fame, not British politics. Another good read is Checkering & Carving of Gunstocks by the late great Momty Kennedy.
Carmichel's book, written in 1985, mentions synthetic stocks as being the wave of the future. It appears he was right, but I still love beautiful wood, and glad I own mt share. Kindest Regards
I've always wanted to make a stock from Osage Orange.
I think another type of figure in maple is called curly maple. I have seen pictures of some old muskets that had beautiful maple stocks.
African Walnut is really good.It's also known as fiberglass.
I've seen some European rifles with gun stocks that appeared to have wood of the same grade and looks that you would use to frame a house. I wonder what that's called?
I've always thought cocobolo would be good for a stock.
@ idahoguy - I think that's called "Russian"
idahoguy - That'd be "loblolly" pine. Bright yellow, brittle as glass and absolutely impossible to locate either straight OR without knots! (It's what they use to make "knotty pine" paneling with!)
A late 70's Rinehart Fajen catalog had a picture of a rifle stocked with "screw bean" mesquite! That had to be the most beautiful piece of wood I've ever seen! ...too me anyhow!
'sausage, an old buddy of mine used "Osage Orange" (bois d'arc) as fore end caps! Absolutely beautiful! Hard as nails!
Birdseye maple is beautiful and I see blanks for sale all the time but be aware that it's not very strong. I have seen two of these break at the comb. One was even a thumbhole stock.
Birch has a tendency to twist as it ages, therefore it is not a good choice for gunstocks. Dave, probably what you are thinking is stained birch is actually red alder or even poplar (very hard to differentiate the two woods). The stuff is steady (no twisting) and easily machined (one of the softer hardwoods) but swells easily, usually works its way loose from the action (especially two piece stocks), and any time the stain gets scratched it leaves an unslightly blond scar. Back in the late sixties and seventies when the race was on among the major gunmakers to see who could make the cheapest crummiest piece of crap guns with which to flood the market, walnut stained alder stocks were very common. Rarely are they hand checkered. Because the wood is so soft I doubt it would hold up. The checkering is usually pressed in with a machine (and butt ugly!).
There are many types of mahogany. Some are exceedingly beautiful but most of these species are now endangered and importation is restricted or banned. Phillipine mahogany is the stuff doors are made of. Like alder, it's really too soft for gun stocks, in my opinion. It can be quite grainy and I doubt anyone could hand checker the stuff.
Although some of my wood stocks resemble early american fence post,I would like to have a maple tiger stripe stock for a Remington 700 modeled after their BDL stock
I've got two large sections of Olive tree trunk that are large enough to make at least a few stocks. I just don't know anyone personally who can/will do it. My 'smith has no experience with olive and says he doesn't know anyone who does, but he's looking. The trees were just cut down a couple months ago.
These trees are 60-plus years old that had to be removed. I didn't pay a dime to have them removed, as that cost was picked up by two carving partners who specialize in olive wood to make bowls, salad utensils, etc. It is gorgeous wood, and the carvers were all too happy to pay for the tree removal in exchange for most of the wood. I know it cost at least $1,800 to remove those trees.
In my misspent youth, I constructed literally miles of fence with Osage orange post. In revenge, it is the main wood used in my custom bow.
Dave, what about holly? I have a set of holly grips on my Combat Commander and they appear to be ivory at first glance.
Believe many old Remington 1100's were stocked with mahogany. Light weight.
The sad thing is wood, good wood, is expensive. I can understand synthetic stocks in many tough environments, but I greatly appreciate the value of a beautiful wood stock married to a richly blued barrel and action.
There was a self taught gunsmith that lived way back in the mountains when I was first staioned in the county I live in now. He made almost all of his gunstocks out of cherry. Some of the prettiest stocks that I have ever seen he made. I would love to have a stock made out of that dark cherry. It didn't have a lot of figure in the wood but the lustre was great. He passed away about 20 years ago before I could get a stock made for one of my rifles.
Years ago i helped install some expensive Pecan cabinets for a good custumer. I often thought it would make a great and beautiful gunstock. Anyone heard of it? Dave?
to all: I think you can make a gunstock out of nearly any wood. The question is, how good will it be? Years ago I handled a sporter rifle with a rosewood stock, and the thing weighed something like 13 pounds. Africa has probably a dozen species of hardwoods, and I mean hard, that we've never heard of, that might make terrific stocks.
i once had a custom stock made from fancy New Zealand walnut (a variety of Juglans regia, or English walnut) that had a Janka hardness rating of 1500. It had beautiful figure and took very fine checkering.
I have little experience with gun stocks but at the SCI convention in Vegas last winter I saw gun stocks which should hang in the Louvre. Amazing what some of these guys can do with a hunk of wood.
Second to last line should read "my share" , not "mt share"
hey dave,
what about ash? they use it for baseball bats, hard as hell.
To me, there is nothing better than beautiful American Walnut and rich deep bluing on a firearm. Its lucious and we are deserving!
pressureglued laminated bamboo methinks.. after using wood for anything has been outlawed offcourse :P
I have two friends in Pennsylvania that make Pensylvania long rifles and Hawken style rifles and they use curly maple or birdseye maple. They cut, dry, and carve the wood themselves. Absolutely beautiful stocks. At the present time they are not taking any orders.
@ Ontario Honker --- For many years Mossberg, Marlin, as well as other manufacturers, listed some of their 'cheaper' line of guns as having a birch stock. The Model 60 and a lot of the Glenfield line come to mind as a couple of these. A lot of others also touted that their guns had a 'hardwood' stock. Unsure of what wood it actually was.
But it sure wasn't walnut. Mostly due to the cost of the wood.
My brother has a curly maple stock on a 7mm Weatherby. It is quite attractive, although I prefer French, American or Claro walnut for stocks. I knew a guy in North Dakota who also had a 7mm Weatherby stocked in mesquite. I think that rifle weighed 12 pounds! His nephews and nieces got all his guns after he died 20 years ago.
"Walnut finished hardwood" offered on some economy-grade rifles is usually birch wood stained the color of walnut. Trouble is that the walnut color is only skin deep, and every little ding shows up as a white spot.
You forgot to mention my favorite, Pistachio. Stronger than walnut, and just as beautiful.
Many years ago a friend brought me a nice stock he had gotten his hands on somehow. Beautiful wood, weighed a ton and he asks me to checker it for him. I tried. Brand new checkering cutters barely scratched it! it was like trying to checker a diamond. He said he was told it was fancy walnut, I think it might have been Mesquite. And it WAS a pain in the a$$!
99explorer, actually most of those are alder or poplar, though often described as birch because wood is white like birch. Birch doesn't take a stain quite as well as alder or poplar. Also the latter two are easier to stamp the checkering into. Birch is also considerably heavier than alder or poplar. It's much harder but, as I said, tends to change shape over time which is not a good thing for accuracy. The other two "hardwoods" are much more stable.
Bruisedsausage,
I've always wondered about Osage Orange. I grew up around hedge rows of it, that's what some farmers used to keep their cattle in back in the day because of the way it tangled around. God forbid a stupid cow managed to get in it, may as well butcher it there. It was the toughest wood to cut.
It looked 'stringy' to me for a stock but damn is it tough.
Maple is one of the most difficult hard hardwoods to work with. My brother is a professional cabinet maker and he hates the stuff. Tends to blow up for no reason during cutting and I can imagine it is not the easiest thing in the world to checker. Come to think of it, I can't recall seeing a maple stocked gun that had checkering. I imagine because of its density, maple is also heavier than walnut. It is definitely a brittle wood. One needs to excersize care with any gun stocked in that wood. Both broken stocks I encountered were the result of the guns simply being dropped.
Duckdog, I got a blank of tiger maple that been in my gun room since the early 80's. Going to put a Kelby action in it next summer. Deadeye, what part of Pa is your friends from? I know some that do the same that live north of Pittsburgh
What about beech? I seem to remember it going into the Remington 600 laminate, although the example downstairs right now is solid walnut.
Would solid beech be any good beyond looks or lack thereof?
We have a piece of furniture made from mulberry that was cut from the family farm. The craftsman that made it said that while it was beautiful to look at, he would never, ever, have anything to do with mulberry again. Has anyone seen a stock or forend made of mulberry?
smokey037,
I have refinished over 300 gunstocks for people and some of them have been on the budget rifles with the "hardwood" stocks. I found some of them to be sycamore. With a walnut forend cap and grip cap and a nice finish some of the rifles didn't come out too bad or at least my customers liked them.
One of the nicest stocks I've ever seen was 100% birdeye maple with a light varnish finish holding a 6.5x55mm Sweedish Mauser, freshly reblued and quite a good looking piece of hardware. Those slow-growth woods with tight grain, properly aged, still make great stocks, even though they're a rare find.
If you want an accurate and good looking wood stock go to AIgunstocks.com and look at some of their wood stocks.
To Tom-Tom, Mulberry is closely related to Osage Orange. IIRC, the Mulberry is just a little "softer' but plenty tough, stable and heavy.
I know osage orange's connection to hunting as one of the woods used by American Indians (Native Americans for the PC) for building their bows.
It's also a good bug repellent, sort of natural DEET, according to Encyclopedia Britannica.
I tried making a set of grips for a Ruger revolver out of American walnut. I must have made 20 of them. They were unstable and would shrink. I bought some Brazilian cherry and made a set out of that. It is a very hard wood, stable, and is dark in color, but not as dark as walnut. It has a very light reddish tint to it. Those grips turned out very nice. I left them smooth since I don't have a checkering tool set.
One more thing. I think Brazilian cherry would make a beautiful rifle or shotgun stock. Oh, and I used Tru-oil on the set of grips.
I used to make doors and I have used Brazilian Cherry it is harder than Oak. You can burn drill bits up on the stuff fast. I wonder why stocks have never been made out of Mahogany. Everyone makes doors out of it because it never moves or warps, is easy to work with, and insects hate it.
Dr. Ralph- I use a slower drill speed to avoid burning the bits and clear the chips frequently. You are so right, it is a very hard wood.
What is an ad teeling us to support Obama doing on your e-mail? He wants to outlaw guns! The gun nuts must really be nuts!
I opened this article because I respect David Petzal's opinions on guns. But I don't give a hoot about his political agenda. My grandkids won't know what a gun is? Sorry Dave, but with more guns than people in this country they'll know. They'll know by the continued slaughter in the streets enabled by people who make excuses for why it happens every single day. Not to mention the 50 some they will inherit from me. I think you're a great gun writer. But put-lease, leave your Tea Party opinions back in your home office.
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