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October 23, 2012

2012 Presidential Election: Thank God They Can't Both Win*

By David E. Petzal

Once every four years it’s my duty to fight down my gag reflex and discuss the presidential election. But before I do so, I have to emphasize that what follows are my opinions and mine alone, not those of Field & Stream, or Phil Bourjaily, or anyone else.

So, let us begin. Basically, whoever wins, the country is still in deep trouble. Neither candidate has a clue about how to solve any of our major problems. Congress is so useless that it would be incapable of declaring war on the Empire of Japan the day after Pearl Harbor.

So, ignoring all our other dreadful problems, let’s turn to guns, and start with some general facts.

First, campaign promises regarding guns or anything else are meaningless. Anyone who thinks otherwise has not been paying attention.

Second, a candidate’s credentials as a gun owner/hunter may or may not be an indicator of how good a friend to us he is. Lyndon Johnson was fond of shooting deer from the window of his Cadillac on his Texas ranch, but he eagerly signed the Gun Control Act of 1968 into law.

The administration’s court jester, Joe Biden, is a dedicated anti-gunner. Paul Ryan is apparently a real hunter. However, the Vice Presidency is, in the words of John Nance Garner, a Texan who held the office “…not worth a bucket of warm piss,” so neither of those people is much of a factor either way.
 
Romney and Obama, for very different reasons, do not understand much of American culture, Romney due to a background of wealth and privilege, Obama because of where he has lived and what his life experience has been. Romney, while governor of Massachusetts, signed a law that is either favorable to gun owners or unfavorable to gun owners, depending on who you listen to, and it’s clear that his principles on gun ownership and everything else are cast in Jello. Obama has avoided doing anything about guns as President, but he has a lengthy voting record on the subject, and it is all bad.

Romney will do and say whatever is most expedient and might, in response to some future gun-related calamity, sign off on a law as sweeping and repugnant as GCA ’68 simply because it seems in his own self interest. It’s highly unlikely, however, that he would initiate one.

Obama is another case. If he gets a second term I think he will be a much different President. He can, and I think he will, cause gun owners an incalculable amount of trouble in the same way Bill Clinton did. In 1994, Slick Willie told the ATF to come down hard on FFL holders, and that is just what the ATF did, putting something like a third of them out of business. Obama could do that again, or he could issue an Executive Order to the ATF to dig up the 4473s of all buyers of AK-47s and then go collect said guns.

Or, since the ATF will go along with any crazed scheme that comes from On High (see Fast and Furious) why stop at AKs? Mr. Obama has said that weapons “designed for soldiers at war do not belong on our streets.” Well, the AR family of guns was designed for soldiers at war, as were the Model 1911 pistol, all Mausers, all Springfields, and so on.

If gun owners go to the polls in sufficient numbers, however, Mr. Obama will not get that chance. It is a dismal choice between him and Romney, but from our standpoint at least, Obama is infinitely worse.

And one more note. It’s doubtful that New York City’s gun-hating munchkin, Michael Bloomberg, will be able to buy a fourth term as mayor. He knows he has no prayer of becoming president, and he’s getting on in years. So it’s quite possible that he will devote his considerable energy and limitless fortune to eliminating firearms from American society, this in the name of “reasonable gun laws.” Unlike Obama, who simply does not see any legitimate need for them, Bloomberg truly detests guns and, most likely, the people who own them. He may turn out to be George Soros to the tenth power.

*I first heard this during the Kennedy/Nixon election in 1960. Things have only gotten worse since.

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from RipperIII wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Romney is not my choice for President,...but he is the only viable choice this time around.

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from DSMbirddog wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I think you have pretty much covered it. It is once again the lesser of two evils in my book. I would call Romney an unknown at this time since he is running for office and takes the popular position if at all possible. If he is elected we will then learn if our choice was a wise one. After four years of Barack Obama I know he is not willing or capable of trying to solve the problems of our nation.

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from MaxPower wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

"Neither candidate has a clue about how to solve any of our major problems"- I have to take exception with this statement Mr. Petzal. I feel one of our biggest problems is the economy, and one of the two is very well qualified. While I admit there is only so much one can do to be prepared to be Commander and Chief of our great nation, Gov. Romney has succeeded in the private, public and non-profit financial realms. We'd be hard pressed to find someone better prepared than him to help boost the economy.

As far as the 2nd Amendment, I don't see Romney being detrimental at all, but I also don't see him being a great champion of it either. Your prediction of what Pres. Obama would do is very accurate.

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from bass bomber wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I was dissapointed during the 2nd presidential debate when Romney said that full auto weapons were illegal and we didn't want them. They are hard to get and very expensive and we need them not want them.

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from dneaster3 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

⇈⇈ I'm with MaxPower ⇈⇈

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from tootall75 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

As a Canadian, I sympathize with the tough choice you have ahead of you. We are quite fortunate here as we had our gun registry abolished recently (with much debate on both sides) and although we have no second amendment, I, like many other fellow Canadians,am a gun nut to the core.

As far I am concerned, although neither candidate is ideal, Obama is the best choice; there is something about Romney that just doesn't sit right with me. In any case, I hope you all make the best choice and you have a prosperous 4 years; your hunting heritage is very important and I can only imagine how I would feel if that were threatened. Best of luck at the polls!!

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from makersman wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

what we need is a blue collared president. Someone who knows how the majority of America lives and thinks.

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from ITHACASXS wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

While I take solace in All-Mighty God, I'm also encouraged by the grass-rooted way the tea-party bunch went after the GOP when they were straying from conservative thought. I believe if Mr. Romney strays from that, they (Cons, Tea-folks, gun-owners etc.) will leave him like a cheating spouse. He knows this now and best not forget it if he wins. Mr. Petzal is correct; we are in trouble anyhoo. However, coming from the same state as DP, (the western backwater part) and having lived under oppressive taxes and laws, while watching from my youth how it can destroy a once vibrant state, where many of our most beloved firearms were once but no longer manufactured (among countless other fine goods), I'm casting for Mitty. Of course, the NYS Electoral college will ignore me, but so be it.

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from Pathfinder1 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Hi...

I'm in complete agreement with most of you...!!

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from jjas wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

As was pointed out by Mr. Petzal...Congress is worthless. The Republicans won't work with Obama and the Democrats won't work with Romney. And what do we do about it? We argue amongst each other and pretend that one candidate or the other will make a difference. On top of that, we keep re-electing these toads and expect a different result....

As far as new gun control laws go...who knows what will happen, but realistically it would be easier for the gun haters to go after the places people can shoot and hunt and the ammo that goes in the firearms than the firearms themselves. I look for some "do gooder" to pass legislation that outlaws lead completely and raises taxes on ammo to the point that it makes the taxes cigarettes appear to be cheap.

Think it can't happen? Think again.

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from TLF Nevada wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I have never voted for a presidential candidate however I have voted against several.

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

My vote goes to Mitt Romney, I'm sure many are surprised. I'm tired of the petulant child in office pointing fingers at everyone but himself. He blames Bush and everything under the sun, but didn't he campaign on Hope & Change? I almost voted for him because I too was tired of Washington. He offered change promised to make the economy better it isn't! He promised to be "The most open office of the presidency, EVER"' he couldn't be further from so. He promised "laser like focus", on jobs, apperently he ran out of batteries because I haven't seen it. He passed a $879 billion dollar stimulus bill to rebuild roads and bridges across the nation to get construction workers back to work, he is still running the same campaign line. The only thing we get from him is childish foreplay and broken promises. As for Romney and people who can't do math I will do it for you. Romney proposes to cut taxes for EVERYONE! and we hear it adds $5 trillion dollars to the deficit. Well morons it does if you don't cut spending which he is proposing to do second it is the peoples money to begin with not the governments. Now for the math that shows his plan works:(these are all going to be round numbers for ease)

Romneys plan
10% tax cut from 30%
12 million people added to the payroll @ a effective tax rate of 20% for people making $100,000 and lets say 1/3 get jobs at that rate.

4,000,000ppl*$100,000 = $400,000,000,000
$400,000,000,000*20% = $80,000,000,000

$80,000,000,000 from 4 million people!

8,000,000ppl*$50,000 = 400,000,000,000 * 10% =40,000,000,000

$120,000,000,000 additional dollars going directly to the fed. This doesn't include the money that goes indirectly to the fed which is far more than what they collect directly. Also he will repeal Obamacare which is another trillion+ dollars of defecit spending.

Now Obamas plan is to tax the rich take that money increase the roles of dependents, unions, government, obamacare, etc... Also a little know fact, You know the farm bill everyone is all in the pisser over 80% of that money goes to Food Stamps not conservation, farmers, crp, etc... You don't have to believe what I say or anyone else says just do the work to get the truth!

Final thought I gave Obama a chance to prove his worth and he has been a miserable failure, the one thing he need to get acomplished in the past 4 years was to get people back to work and he hasn't done that or anything to help.

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Makersman, what we need is a President! Not a community organizer to divide this nation any further! He is a commie pinko, and many are to d@mn blind to see it! One day when America wakes from this nightmare most will come to and agreement on this!

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from Ga hunter wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Obama is a liar and has no clue how to run our country! I hope that Mitt beats him! If Obama ends up winning America as we know it will not be the same! I can't stand the fact that he can't take the blame for what he's done (our debt) and he blames everything on Bush. We need to wake up America!!

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from Jerry A. wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

It's not really an easy choice to make for either candidate. Romney might not add any detrimental gun control legislation, but may sell public lands or otherwise allow them to be exploited by corporations. Obama just stated he wanted to attempt to reinstate the assault weapons ban or worse, but likely would not allow misuse of federal lands.

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from hawndog wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

The problem I have, is that I do not want to vote for anyone that is crazy enough to want the job.
Maybe the first requirement for president is that he is someone that does not want the job. LOL, Just pick somebody off the street randomly, and impress them into office. Caint happen, but that has to make you think.

I don't like Romney; the only thing he stands for is votes, but Obama has proven that he cannot handle the job. I guess I will have to "hold my nose" at the poll and hope Romney will be a good change.

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from Jerry A. wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Btw, I'm going to vote fir Romney, but wish there was a better alternative.

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from Amflyer wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Jeff Cooper once commented on a earlier election too similar in cast...he called the available choices "The evil of two lessers."

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from hawndog wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I might vote Libetarian instead. I know that he won't win, but it is a vote againts the corrupt two party system.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Nice Job, DCast.

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from Walt Smith wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

How much you want to bet that when Obama loses the election that will be Bush's fault too!

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from crm3006 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Alas and alack, Sh---y Mitty seems to be the lesser of the evils presented. Obummer is a known factor, and has promised the Brady Bunch that they are working on "gun control" "under the radar." My very own insignificant and humble opinion is that without worries about re-election, the Capon-in-Chief would do his best to totally disarm the American public, for fear of a national uprising. I would cite as my reasons his embracing the U.N. Small Arms Treaty, Fast and Furious, the gang of thugs and anti-gunners who surround him,his previous voting record, and his unconstitutional registration decree in several states.
Mitt, on the other hand, will inherit such a mess that any thoughts of gun control will be far, far off his radar. The economy is in the crapper, Mid-East has gone to hell, Congress, as previously stated, don't know a 'coon track from a cow pie, and will argue with a blue-jay. (The jaybird is the one talking sense. "Thief, Thief, Thief.)
Therefore, I must hold my nose, and vote for Mitt. Four more years of the current Capon-in Chief is unthinkable.

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from GregMc wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Obama signed one gun bill in the last 4 years and it created more gun freedom by allowing guns in National Parks.
On the other hand, Romney and Ryan have both said on the record that they want to sell public lands, where many of us hunt.
Dave, as a self proclaimed gun nut, maybe your choice is Romney. For me, a hunter and angler, I'd rather see public lands in public hands and avoid the sale of our children's forest and plain to the rich and privileged.
As far as paranoia over a second term, I'll place my bets on the evidence and not buy into the fear mongering of the NRA.

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from Shavager wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

You sound like a Ron Paul supporter Petzal, that dawg won't hunt in this race! Romney wasn't necessarily born into wealth and success--he gave ALL his inheritance from dad George to CHARITY. He is a self-made millionaire, starting from bottom out of college. Romney is FRUGAL, he's turned around companies, the Olympics and state of Massachussetts. By the way, he served Olympics FREE--taking NO SALARY, he served as Gov. of Mass. FREE--taking NO SALARY. It's not likely Romney would pass any gun control measures even if Congress pushed it, after this election GOP will probably control both House and Senate--NO GUN CONTROL LAWS WILL PASS! OWEbumbler is a "social justice" socialist at heart--he's not just REDISTRIBUTING money here in America, he's distrituted BILLIONS to foreign countries like Italy, Portugal, Denmark, Finland,UK, Australia,France,Germany,Russia,China, Vietnam,Mexico,Brazil,El Salvador,etc...AND WE THE PEOPLE GOT THE BILL! This election is about OVERTURNING A DICTATORSHIP and getting representation back for the people. With Romney/Ryan for the Republic, we will at least be headed in right direction vs. a president who's Anti-2nd Amendment and has NEVER cast a pro-2nd Amendment vote!

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from Mark-1 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I see one guy’s platform just as implausible as the other’s. That stated what troubles me with Obama is he has no Manifesto. I’d be voting for four more years of policies that have not been working…yet. Sounds like a long hike to the Promise Land to me.

Mitt? He’s a step into Darkness, but there’s a chance he could make things work.

Gun-wise neither is our friend.

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from wisc14 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

both candidates are dreadful.
my vote is for obama basically because mit has run his mouth too much about not knowing what public lands are for. from everything i have read and heard romney say it seems as though he sees public land as nothing but places to extract resources and make big profits, otherwise they are meaningless to him. obama hasn't really acted one way or the other on gun ownership.

i will say this as a disclaimer: i really do not consider myself a gun nut so i lkely will vote differently than many on here. i simply am someone who loves to hunt and fish. although not a gun nut i really like this blog as it contains a lot of great shooting tips and gear reviews.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

David your pretty much in the 9 ring with a few in the 10, I’ll do the spotters job and zero in more. When Amtrak's Sunset Limited derailed near Palo Verde, Arizona on Southern Pacific Railroad tracks derailed, I got a chance while working with the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Department get up close and a bit personnel with the FBI Agents on scene. Hunting critters and knowing who and what to expect in the area I had knowledge of. They confirmed my suspicions of not only small arms and ammunition going south but bigger stuff coming north like the real version of the AK 47 Kalashnikov. T that time no explosives were said; now I’m hearing chatter there is including RPG’s (needs to be verified). As for Obama, I do know Clinton tried to push a Gun Ban during his term but couldn’t get one Marine General to back him, told him something like “HELL TO THE NO!” Well time has passed and I’m absolutely convinced that the Obama Administration knew about Fast & Furious and tried to springboard off the death and carnage on our southern border to promote his UN Gun Ban, but Holder and the ATF got busted. Bottom line, if he gets a second term, you can bet he will do an end run around the Constitution and Congress and implement the UN Ban by executive order or such.

When freedom shivers in the cold shadow of true peril, it is always the patriots who first hear the call. When loss of liberty is looming, as it is now, the siren sounds first in freedom's vanguard. Charlton Heston (October 4, 1923 - April 5, 2008)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Anyone says Obama isn't going to really go for the UN Gun Ban, is a FOOL!

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.

He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.

A murderer is less to fear”
-Marcus Tullius Cicero 42 BC

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Why not a 3rd post (CHUCKLE)

If Romney wins and by the same standard used to say Obama is the first Black President, Mitt would be our first Mexican President....

I thought Clinton wuz our first Black President, well that what the Democrats said during his term in office!

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from smokeyskid wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

" Obama could do that again, or he could issue an Executive Order to the ATF to dig up the 4473s of all buyers of AK-47s and then go collect said guns." What about the black helicopters, secret concentration camps and One World Government agenda. Aren't those part of the package?

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from RyneD wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I don't believe either of these 2 can fix the country as a whole, as far as economy goes i don't see either of them getting things back on track. I refuse to vote for either. I myself will go with third party Libertarian Gary Johnson, He favors guns and no additional regulations, he built a one-man handyman business an turned it into the largest construction company in NM that employs 1,000 people, has 2 successful terms as governor of NM, and the man climbed Mount Everest! if those aren't some of the best qualifications i don't know what is, i think it would be about time to get out of the whole democrat and republican race and add some competition and see how things change

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from O Garcia wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Black? I think it was the actor Morgan Freeman, who is from Mississippi and lives with both white and black neighbors, who said BHO is the first mixed-race president. In Morgan's words, BHO's mother is white and from Kansas, as white as white can get in America.

I saw an interview of Gore Vidal replayed on CNN after Vidal died, and he actually said McCain wasn't really a true war hero because he got shot down, and should have been reprimanded instead of honored. I almost threw a brick at my TV, except it's my TV and I don't want to spend money for its replacement. So in Vidal's estimation, any pilot who gets shot down wasted expensive government property and should be punished?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

crowman that's over the top, knock it off!

Clay Cooper

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

O Garcia

Correct me if I'm wrong, the VC wuz going to release McCain because of who his Father wuz. McCain refused to leave despite his condition and talked the VC to allow another POW to be released instead. McCain doesn't have both oars in the water, but he would have done a better job the Berry. At least we know what side McCain is on, Obama covering for Alkida terrorist attack blaming a video?

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from Carney wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I've got 2 words on this.
Pat Paulsen!

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from bruisedsausage wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I'm going to write in David E. Petzal =)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

bruisedsausage

Found out today in Arkansas, if you write in a person and that write in isn't recognized by/certified (whatever) by the Arkansas Election Board, your ballet is entirely tossed out

David for President?

Know your history good enogh, you should know how not to repeat the mistakes of yesteryears!

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from ITHACASXS wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Clay, it wasn't the Viet Cong that captured John McCain. the VC were the communist guerrillas in South Vietnam. McCain was pulled from the lake by North Vietnamese civilians and turned over to the North Vietnamese officials. Believe it or not, though both were fighting Americans, there was a difference between the Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese regular army known as the NVA.

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from scratchgolf72 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

im sorry, but everyone here voting for obama based strictly off the fact that he wont drill on public lands is an idiot. have fun trying to hunt when obama melts your guns, you have no job, and the united states looks like greece. ROMNEY/RYAN 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ive said it before and ill say it again. id rather hunt next to an oil well then not be able to hunt at all. obamas a loose cannon waiting to be unleashed in a second term.

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from O Garcia wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

ITHACASXS,

that's the problem with Nam, most people still think the US lost the war to AK-toting peasants wearing palm leaf hats and sandals cut out of rubber tires, aka the Vietcong. The Vietcong ceased to be a major military force after their defeat at the 1968 Tet Offensive (which is also being viewed as a moral victory for them by the media). After that, they were reduced to purely guerrilla action. The US pulled out in 1973. The NVA, North Vietnam's professional, uniformed, heavily-armed army, was what took Saigon in 1975.

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from elmer f. wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

what"We The People" are left with from the original intent of our founding fathers is a totally out of control beast, called the federal government. it has very little resemblance to what they originally envisioned for this country. all of the elections are fixed, meaning that any normal citizen, could never even run for a high ranking elected position. the people that are nominated, have years and years of track records that prove they have sold their souls to the political machine. the government does not work for the people. it has its own agenda, which has very little to do with the American people. we simply get to choose which criminal gets to call the shots. oh, and of course, PAY FOR ALL OF IT. our congress and senate, are simply places where career criminals go, to collect millions in bribes, which go to off shore bank accounts, so the American people can not see how much money is changing hands via the lobbyists. all in all, very little will change from the results of any future election. they are going to keep running the country into the ground, leaving us to pay for it. when the entire world has figured out, that there is no possible way for us to ever pay back all the money the criminals in Washington d/c/ have borrowed. then the smelly stuff is going to really hit the fan. and unfortunately, that is what it will take for anything to really happen. mean while, our gun "rights", will be thrown around like a pinball in a pinball machine. i am not sure when it came about that politicians thought they could "interpret" The Constitution. but since they got away with it the first time, it will never, ever, stop. to me, the most pathetic thing happens on the day they are sworn in to office. every single one swears to defend The Constitutions against all enemies. and they are the biggest enemy it will ever face.

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Any vote given to a third party candidate is a vote "FOR" Owebama!
This is for those who think voting "Libertarian" or "write in" makes sense or in some way "punishes" either of the two major party candidates.

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from deadeyedick wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

HOW ABOUT DAVE PETZAL FOR PRES!!!!!!!! HE IS ORNERY ENOUGTH TO TELL ALL THOSE BACKWATER COUNTRIES TO KISS OUR AMERICAN A**. AND STOP THE FLOW OF MONEY TO SAME. WE CAN'T BUY FRIENDS ANYWAY. HE WILL TELL THE CHINESE TO STICK THEIR PRODUCTS WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE. GO DAVE !!!! WOULDN'T THE DEMS AND GOP HAVE A FIT???

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from Douglas wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I have viewed the process of voting for an American President as a waste of time all these long years since I turned 18, yet I still do it just because it is my right as a citizen.
This year, I had decided to not bother. Both candidates have no credentials as a leader to me. And both candidates trigger revulsion in my heart. However, Mr. Petzal, I have never met you but have developed a respect for your insight and opinions by years of following the blogs on this site. You have tipped me toward casting my vote after all. And it ain't going to be for the incumbent.
By the way, I am a devoted follower of Jesus Christ and a registered democrat.

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from stick500 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Take a quick peek at the article right below this one on marine fisheries and see the very positive steps the Obama admin. has done for that sport and then think twice about all this usual NRA fear-mongering that we hear every 4 years. In the overall picture, I feel the DEMS have been doing much for hunters and fishermen than the GOP has for quite some time.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Opinions are like elbows and a**holes - generally everybody has at least one.

FYI: The Second Amendment in the Bill Of Rights hasn't anything to do with hunting.

Obummer sees himself sitting to the left of Jesus.

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from tom warner wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

As a person who has been watching this sad comedy longer than most, GregMc speaks my sentiments exactly. While I am no admirer of Obama for many reasons unrelated to guns, I absolutely believe that most of the hysterical hatred spewed against Obama has to do with the color of his skin. Too many Americans are still a bunch of bigots, although they will never admit it. I'm going with Gary Johnson myself. Both parties have shown themselves to be hopeless captives of the 1%. I could never bring myself to vote for Romney. He not only has shown himself to be an a-hole, but he is the candidate of the worst gang of complete morons it has ever been my displeasure to witness in my entire life. They surely are no friends of us outdoors folk.

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from Savageshot wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Has anyone pictured all those people you dont want/like guns trying to take them from those of us that do and those who go buy one anytime they talk of taking them away because its there right? not going to be pretty

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from hermit crab wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

You sell off the public land, and you have the Texas-style of hunting: Pay to Play, everything's leased. If you have no place to hunt, it doesn't matter whether you have any guns or not in my mind. I'd gladly give up the right to own any AR-style gun if it meant more public access hunting land.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

hermit crab better rethink that one through

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from aferraro wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

1) Obama wants to ban "assault weapons" and possibly "cheap" handguns for lawful American citizens. 2) He doesn't know the difference between automatic and semi-automatic weapons- that is just scary.
3) Obama's Justice Department "walked" thousands of assault weapons and handguns to Mexican drug cartels and after 2 years of investigations / stonewalling no one really understands why.
4) Obama's AFT restricted guns sales along our border with Mexico because of gun related violence- some of which he caused by intentionally selling guns to cartels.
What do you think he would do in a second term when he doesn't need to worry about re-election- Let’s hope we never find out!

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from hawndog wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

A third party vote is not a vote for Obama, and it it not a wasted vote. A wasted vote, is voting for someone that you do not believe in.

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from firedog11 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I didn't have time to read all the posts from everyone completely. I skimmed through all. Many good comments and I won't presume to say who I will vote for will fix all the problems of the country, I think society needs a deeper change spiritual wise than what one person can do though that person can encourage and lead the poeple of this country into following the Documents that spell out our freedom. Two things about President Jughead, the guy is a narcissist who sees himself as a prophet (!) and it is all about him. Second, in the 2nd debate and a lot of people missed this, he alluded to banning handguns when he said that the killings in Chicago are not done with AK47s but with Saturday night specials and he will get rid of those. Now I haven't heard that term in years and all of a sudden it pops up in the debate. That was a planned message to the Brady bunch that if elected that a gun ban is coming by Executive order.

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from firedog11 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Hey hermit crab that Brits thought that as did the Aussies now they have nothing.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

hermit crab better rethink that one through

As for Obama, one word pops up into my mind (HUSH WAM!)

EXPENDABLE!

For Obama to achieve his goal, everyone and everything is EXPENDABLE!

Interesting to point out, an Attorney in Chicago filed a class action lawsuit on behalf of a geographical area against Bank/Banks for not approving mortgages. Of course the Banks paid for fear of being labeled and called racists. But the truth of the matter, only a few out of the group managed to stay out of Bankruptcy and losing the house. Who wuz the Attorney who knew his clientele couldn't afford the home they seeked? Glad you asked.... It wuz our dear Ol'Barack Hussein Obama!!!!

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Hermit Crab - wake up and get your head out of your...shell!

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from firedog11 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Hey Carney Pat Paulsen and the Smothers Brothers. LOL

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I'm all in for Romney.

JJAS,
If you're paying attention you'll realize that no one in either house is working with the president becuase he isn't working with them.

Back in May the Democrat controlled Senate voted 97-0 against moving forward on the president's budget plan. I recall it did no better in the Republican house. The Senate similarly voted against advancing Ryan's plan 57-40.

The Dems as normal are opposing Republican policy and vice versa.. that's almost the point of the system. But the Dems are also opposing their presidents proposals, a sign that they both think the proposal was insane and that they hold him in contempt.

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from jim in nc wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Lots of good arguments here, but I'm still taking my chances with Obama. Gun control is a radioactive issue for any elected politician, and in any case Obama would be hamstrung by Congress and the Supremes. I'm underwhelmed by all the paranoid stuff I get (for free!) along with my NRA membership. And if the GOP runs the country, we can have all the guns we want but the land will be privatized or developed and there'll be nowhere to hunt.

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from redfishunter wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Those of you who are voting for a third party or not voting might as well be voting for Barrack Hussein Obama. I agree that the whole Democrat/Republican split is a bunch of BS, but that's the way it is. This is a close race, and while Romney is a typical buffoon politician, he's still better than Obama.

And to quote Jamesti: Obama eats dog.

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from HeidelbergJaeger wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Here's my take:

Obama's cabinet members recorded statements stand for themselves. Remember, its not just Obama that is up for reelection. His entire cabinet is full of misdirection and smoke/mirrors. Don't believe me? look below

Janet Napolitano Secretary of DHS: "our borders are more secure than ever before". Coming from the former Governor of the state which has since instituted the most stringent immigration laws in the nation.

Eric Holder, Attorney General, Dept of Justice “What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that’s not cool, that it’s not acceptable, it’s not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we changed our attitudes about cigarettes.“

Timothy Geithner, Secretary of the Treasury: On Dec. 5, Obama's transition team told Finance Committee staff that Geithner hadn't paid social security or self-employment taxes on income received from the International Monetary Fund from 2001 to 2004, the report says. Three years ago, the IRS audited Geithner for tax years 2003 and 2004, which resulted in him paying back taxes and interest--but no penalties--totaling $16,732. However, Geithner voluntarily amended his 2001 and 2002 returns only after Obama expressed interest in nominating him to the Treasury post. The total bill this time: $25,970.

Katherine Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services: "It's hugely important to make sure that we re-elect the president and elect a Democratic governor here in North Carolina,". Additional comments were determined by the US Office of Special Council that the comments violated the Hatch Act, which bars federal employees from using their official position to sway an election, according to the agency.

Erik Shinseki, Secretary of Veterans Affairs: An Office of Inspector General report, found $6.1 million spent on two weeklong conferences at the Orlando Marriott World Center Golf and Spa Resort, held in July and August 2011, with about $762,00 being on “unauthorized,” “unnecessary” or “wasteful” expenses, according to the report. While our service members and veterans languish in squalid conditions of VA hospitals around the nation.

For those of you that think this election is just about guns, do yourself a favor and see who's on Obama's starting line up. I think you'll want to broaden your horizons to see that there may only be one alternative, but its better than the last 4 years.

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

For God sake people!

I'm a moron! I'm going to vote third party, Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, Alex Jones, etc... Do yourself a favor and just stay home because your vote/protest is worthless it means NOTHING! I'm a libertarian to an extent but my skull isn't mush!

I'm going to vote for Obama because he won't sell federal lands and ruin future hunting opportunities for me and my kids! If the country was 100% federal land, it wouldn't make a difference if you can't afford to buy a: hunting license, hunting tags, car, gas, electricity, water, ammunition, food, depends, golf balls, vaseline, beets, etc... Does it? This is such a lame excuse for validating your love and vote for Obama
tell the truth don't be affraid of your beliefs. I would bet my left teste that R&R will not discuss the selling of federal land once in office. That is the least of their worries. Have you been outside your cave in the last year? The economy is broken, 43 million people are dependant on government, 23 million without jobs, the Middle East is in chaos, and your worried about hunting land and what R&R might do? Jesus this country is upside down! There's a campaign commercial playing in Ohio right now that summarizes this election to a "T". Heres a link to watch it, it is an old one but all to relevant www.salon.com/2010/10/22/scary_china_ad/.

This election isn't about guns, hunting land, conservation, etc... This election is to determine the future of America! A future of poverty and dependency, or a future of freedom and individual rights! This determines the sovreignty of our nation, it determines whether Americans pull the purse strings or whether we become the laborers of other nations (A.K.A Slaves). You have a little over a week to get your heads out of your rectum and vote for DEPENDENCE or INDEPENDENCE! Make your choice, but don't come looking for a handout from the INDEPENDANT, because the punch in the face will be farm less painful than the alternative!

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from MICHMAN wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

This past year I drove from Michigan to Colorado and there was only one state that I couldn't conceal carry in, and that was Obama's Illinois. Given a 2nd term, he will surely go after our guns. Or have a CZAR come for them!

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from davidpetzal wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

To all those who want me to be Prez, I appreciate it, but I have to quote William Tecumseh Sherman:

"If nominated I will not run. If elected, I will not serve."

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from bruisedsausage wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

DP, we would still come out ahead!

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Have the obummer supporters here forgotten about his 33 Czars?
They would have made a Stalin/Marx ticket happy!

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from Zermoid wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I am holding my nose and voting straight Republican this time around. I don't usually do that, altho I'm registered as Republican i usually vote for some of each, depending on what the canidates stand for, there is no real choice this year, you either vote for obummer and the dumbascraps or against them. I have to vote against them.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Do the obummer supporters here really want someone in the White House who bows to a Saudi king?

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from HeidelbergJaeger wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

kudukid- don't forget Obama bowed to following:

the Japanese emperor Akihito, (MacArthur is turning over in his grave)

Chinese Premier Hu Jintao

Ukranian President Yuschenko

more to follow I am sure...

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from Kybill54 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

It's not going to matter who wins"WE ARE SCREWED!!" either way.They can't fix what they have broken.The republicans won't work with a democratic president and the democrats won't work with a republican, so we loose all the way around.I intend to vote Libertarian.They don't want big Government,they will stop giving our hard earned tax dollar to countries that don't like use,and want us to live by the consitutionand leave our 2nd Amendment alone.Think long and hard on who you want as president folks.

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from hermit crab wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

As a presidential candidate, Romney already made clear that selling public lands is an option. You lose land, you lose hunting opportunities, you lose hunters. As a presidential candidate or sitting president, Obama has never even threatened to take your guns away. That said, I'm not voting for either.

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

KYbill, Way to go man! You show them idiots who's boss! You two are so stupid I'm voting for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson because they are true constitutionalists.

Oh Lord if some people had half a brain they'd be dangerous, but I guess thats why you gave them just enough to make it through life!

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from hermit crab wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

"...or he could issue an Executive Order to the ATF to dig up the 4473s of all buyers of AK-47s and then go collect said guns."

Does anybody really think Obama or anyone else would do something like this, knowing full well that nobody would give them up? Can't you legally sell a firearm to another private citizen without a 4473 form? How do they know any of those firearms are still in its original owner's possession?

When they enacted firearms bans in Australia, there was no outcry - the vast majority of people willingly gave them up. I can't even imagine any instance where this would happen here. Keeping a hunting culture in America is much more important to me than being paranoid about Obama taking away your guns...

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from hermit crab wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

DCast:
"The economy is broken, 43 million people are dependant on government, 23 million without jobs, the Middle East is in chaos, and your worried about hunting land and what R&R might do?"

You're darn right I am. If the next generation lost the opportunity to go out and hunt and shoot, that generation will not hunt and shoot. If they don't hunt and shoot, they'll have no need for firearms. If they don't want any firearms, they'll be a generation of Bloombergs.

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from SL wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I know a vote for a third party candidate is considered worthless, but I sure as hell don't want to vote for either Obama or Romney. Obama could really give a crap about anything in particular, other than the notoriety of being president, while Romney has got to be the biggest lying SOB I've ever seen. I really think the country needs to start voting for third party candidates, because Republicans and Democrats have failed this country and there is absolutely NO sign that things may get better. We obviously won't get a third party candidate elected this time, but maybe there will be hope for the future? Simply not giving them any consideration will keep us where we are now, which is NOWHERE!

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from MReeder wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

The last time I enthusiastically voted for President was in 1984, and it wasn't for Mondale, so I've gotten pretty used to voting for the lesser of two evils. In fact, I've only casts two enthusiastic votes for President in my lifetime, and the other was in 1980.
That having been said, DEP has it exactly right. Romney was about sixth on my list of the available eight or so alternatives and I wouldn't trust him farther than I could throw an elephant by the trunk. However, he would never introduce or push gun control legislation because it would cause a firestorm in his base and an uprising in the Republican House. Plus, Garner's observation about the value of the veep being duly noted, Ryan really is a hunter and one of the most active members of the sportsmen's caucus (his wife also founded a congressional women's shooting group) He would be a constant advocate for hunters and other gun owners.
Biden is the most virulently anti-gun politician outside Bloomberg, and back when Obama was an Illinois legislator and unrestrained by nervous congressional Democrats and national political considerations, he pushed legislation that would have shut down every gun shop in his state. While he hasn't introduced any antigun legislation as President, he has appointed anti-hunting people to fish and wildlife and anti-gun people to the Justice Dept. and other agencies, and has taken a bunch of administration actions that signal his true intentions, even as they fly under the radar. That is the real danger for hunters and shooters in a second Obama term; not so much what he might get through congress, but what he would be able to accomplish by executive order and judicial and administrative appointments. His comments on “weapons used by soldiers” is telling.
I disagree with DEP only in thinking that our other problems can be, if not totally fixed, at least better addressed by Romney than Obama. People forget how quickly things turned around after Reagan was elected, when our economy and world standing were in fact a lot worse than they are now. I agree with Reagan that there's nothing the American people can't accomplish if government will just get off their backs and out of the way, and a genuinely growing economy would cure a lot of what ails us. Nor am I surprised that a European-lite approach to governing and economics has produced the same ruinous results that we see in the democratic-socialist run countries in Europe. Others will disagree and that's fine. But there can be no question that gun owners will be in for a long and bumpy ride if Obama has four more years to govern without having to worry about re-election.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

MReeder:
Thanks for the most thoughtful and accurate posting so far!

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from tom warner wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

All of this commentary, ranging from intelligent to idiotic, perfectly illustrates why it may be a bad idea to bring up politics in the Gun Nut. It has no positive result, changes no ones mind, and accomplishes nothing accept depressing me.

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from hawndog wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Dcast, you make a strong argument. except for the fact that, Romney is no better. A vote for Romney is a vote for the continued BS.

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from Rocaphilla wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I'm going to print this comment thread and present it as evidence of the failure of the US education system. Anyone who will vote for a president based on whether or not they think their gun ownership is at risk clearly has absolutely no clue as to the gravity of the office. I tell you, the leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world has more on his mind than whether or not you can have a hunting rifle in your closet. Get over yourselves. Similarly, to those angry with Obama's apparent "socialism", know that here in Canada,a social democracy, he would be the farthest to the right on the ticket. Your political spectrum in the US has been swayed so drastically far to the right that you can't even even fathom what real socialism would be like, so stop pretending that Obama is going communist on you. Further to that, Romney recently said that he would balance the budget in 8-10 years, and yet he and all his cronies (most of you in here) ride Obama's a** for not being able to do it in four years. If that's not back-asswards logic I don't know what is. Obama can legitimately blame Bush era policies for your financial circumstances and be legitimized time and again. It was failed fiscal policy under Bush that led to the current circumstances. And while I know many of you will say "That was 4 years ago this is now, you can't call upon past history to defend yourselves today!", I want you to keep in mind that that's exactly what you do every time you reference the second amendment. Context is everything, and the past is what provides that context. Your country would be nothing without its 200+ years of history. Everything that your country is is based on what happened before today. In the same vein, everything about your current fiscal situation is based on what happened in the recent past (ie. the Bush years). Try, oh try, to see through the Fox News rhetoric, realize that there is more involved in the

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from Rocaphilla wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

office of president that your personal gun ownership, and try voting from a position other than paranoia.

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from hawndog wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Rocaphilla, you are right that many of the bush policys put us into this mess. He spent like a drunken sailor, and run the debt up. Obama's "fix" has been to spend more.

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from Trapper Vic wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Romney would be ahead by a landslide if he could keep his foot out of his mouth. 47% on the dole, binders full of women,hiring more teachers is a union undermine, and if the 12 million new jobs he promise are $100,000. to balance the buget then I closing my business and be the first in line! Truth is we can not let the presidency, house and senate be controled by 1 party. I work my *ss off everyday to stay in business and pay my taxes. I'll just be happy when this crap is all over.In the future we have to stop superpacs from dumping milliions into politics. Sooner or later they will be buying the office not getting elected to it. (lobyists - another horror story)

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from Clink83 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Funny, out of all the comments only a canadian has a decent perspective on US politics.

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from tom warner wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Rocaphilla: Well said and right on the money. Thanks for your excellent contribution. Please don't think that all Americans are as stupid as some of the commentary seen here.

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from MReeder wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Rocaphilla,
Personally, the idea that Obama would be the most rightward candidate on any Canadian ticket offers me little comfort. America, thank God, is not Canada, and most Americans take a different view of things than Canadians do, just as our ancestors took a different view of the proper course to take regarding England.
Our Second Amendment was never about hunting or even primarily about protection of hearth and home. It was intended to be the ultimate guarantee against tyranny, as the Federalist Papers and the arguments of our founders make abundantly plain.
Nor is it necessary to place Mr. Obama's socialist tendencies in parenthesis. His many comments on the subject before taking office and his actions while in it make it abundantly clear that his preferred model leans more toward socialism than free markets, although his actions and words have to account for most Americans'
antipathy to the very idea of socialism. As an Illinois legislator, Obama solicited and ran with the endorsement of the New Party, which was an offspring of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America. His autobiography refers to his seeking out Marxist professors in college and his many remarks about redistribution of income underscore his rather obvious beliefs. While Obamacare is not socialized medicine in its purest, distilled form, it is the closest Obama and his supporters felt they could come under current political circumstances, and they themselves have said that it is only a first, necessary step toward nationalized health care. In fact, Democrat politicians routinely share consultants, pollsters and other campaign operatives with many of Europe's democratic-socialist parties and frequently attend the same conferences. Bottomline, there is not a dime's worth of ideological difference between them.
As for what led to America's lingering economic problems, there can be no doubt that both parties have played a role in enlarging government power and swelling government spending. However, the primary cause of the 2008 economic collapse was the inability of borrowers to pay back mortgage loans that the federal government had forced lenders to grant them; plus, the enormous burden that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had taken on in subsidizing those loans. This was the "sub-prime" lending market, which the Clinton administration bragged about creating, and it had nothing to do with Wall Street. In fact, its actual roots had begun earlier, when groups like ACORN, which gave Obama one of his few actual jobs, protested against banks supposedly "red-lining" minority lenders and pushed legislation requiring loans be issued to unqualified borrowers. I recall watching one of the TV housing shows with my wife in the late 90s and wondering how a waitress and a male nurse could afford a $1-million dollar home. I got on the computer, did a little research, and told her an hour or two later that there was going to be a great wave of bankruptcies that would roll out of California and sweep across the country; that it wasn't a matter of if, but when, and that when it happened it was going to be really, really bad.
So in that sense, Mr. Obama and people like Sen. Chris Dodd and Rep. Barney Frank did indeed help create the conditions that led to the collapse; a collapse they erroneously blame on free markets and cynically continue trying to exploit.
As for the deficit, that is primarily due to the spiraling costs of entitlements, and the last time I checked virtually all of those programs were proposed and passed by Democratic Presidents. LBJ, incidentally, insisted that Medicare would never cost more than about a billion dollars a year. If only there really was such a thing as a free lunch...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

David be honest, I DO KNOW THE TRUTH!

Here's Davids sign....

www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151091113935732&set=a.117361460731.100...

(CHUCKLE)

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

MReeder gets it right once again!

My sentiments exactly if only the time to write them...being too busy trying to provide the facts to others (liberals) with their heads up their collective shells.

MReeder for president!

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from RockySquirrel wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Well Dave, thanks for bringing me down. I was in a good mood, before you let reality back into my world. You assessment is very accurate.

I will not blog anymore on the 2nd amendment and gun control. I believe in saying my peace and leaving it at that and i have said mine more than once on this site. Agree or disagree, my opinion is my opinion and I am going to vote that way.

I would like to cast my vote for Teddy Roosevelt of the BULL MOOSE party. See escaping reality again is not that hard.

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from CervusCanadensis wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

MReeder I'm glad Canada and the United States are not one and the same either, otherwise I might be party to the biggest debt in the history of mankind, and an economy on the brink of collapse. Not only that, but I would live amongst a population in which nearly 48% of the populations believes that the same policies that caused that situation would also save it. Silliness to it's core and a circus act you can wallow in down south all you like.
I'm sad to see that you think that because Democrats seek opinions from elsewhere that they are necessarily bound to those ideas, as though because they talk to politicians from Europe they are one and the same. It is entirely possible for them to hold two ideas in their heads and act on only one, as we've seen. Nowhere in the world is economic policy more driven by a commitment to free markets than in the United States. Let me assure you, from an outsider's perspective, Adam Smith's proverbial invisible hand hasn't been slapped away by the Obama administration at all. It is the sign of an intelligent mind that can encounter and consider varying opinions and positions while maintaining their own. A discussion with Marxist professors does not a Marxist make. Further to that, an idea that so many of the US populace thinks is hazardous and detrimental to their country (I speak now of Obamacare) and is derided as being corrosive to the foundation of the country seeks nothing more than to ensure that it's citizens can remain healthy. If you want to speak of corrosive ideologue tendencies, I suggest looking to the GOP and those in your own congress who oppose a humanitarian effort like Obamacare. Also, the root cause of the 2008 collapse was not the inability of people to pay back their mortgages. This was a symptom of relaxed regulation and legislation imposed upon the banks, namely the repeal of Glass-Steagall, which allowed for commercial banks to merge with investment ones. This allowed them to take huge risks that would otherwise have been against the rules. Risks like handing out mortgages to people who couldn't afford them and investing their money in risky ventures. It was an example of what happens when you take the leash off of the free-market dog and let him run rampant. And the entire world is paying for it, you guys especially. Free lunch indeed

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from baconboy206 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

GARY JOHNSON 2012- LIBERTARIAN PARTY

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

To CervusCanadensis:

You have all of the liberal/democrat talking points down to a jot and tittle.

As Ronald Reagan said, "It's not that the democrats don't know anything, it's that they know so much that's wrong."

He was so smart he changed parties.

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from MReeder wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

CervusCanadensis,
Happy to know you're a Canadian patriot. Just don't knock Americans (and especially Texans) for feeling the same way about our country and our traditions, which have very little to do with yours; and understand that we approach things from a very different place.
Just a couple of quick rejoinders, since I would much rather be talking about guns and hunting and my Brit is whining to be walked.
One, there is nothing "humanitarian" or charitable about government coercion. Charity is an act of individual giving; redistribution, in whatever guise, is putting a gun to someone's head, demanding their money and then sharing it with an accomplice.
Also, it is very true that simply associating with socialists and Marxists does not a Marxist or a socialist make. But a lifetime of such alliances does provide some insight. Long after college, Obama remained a favorite visitor/speaker at various Democratic Socialists of American gatherings -- information I got not from Fox News, but from archive's available on the DSA's webpage. Here's something else: the U.S. Senate has one member honest enough to openly proclaim himself a socialist, as opposed to the dozens of others who disguise that fact. I refer to Bernie Sanders of VT, a proud socialist and Independent who caucuses with the Democrats. When they were in the senate together, Obama consistently voted to Sanders' left. That scorecard was compiled by the Americans for Democratic Action, which is one of the oldest and most respectable left/liberal/progressive organizations in the U.S. Not only was Obama's voting record to the left of the only honest socialist in the senate; it was to the left of every other senator. You can't beat 100-percent.
Finally, I wish Adam Smith's invisible hand still guided the U.S. economy, but the truth is that the heavy hand of government regulation, confiscatory tax policies, corporate welfare and abrogation of established contract law (see Government Motors for the last two) has distorted the market beyond recognition. It is a heck of a note when the former USSR has a flat tax and we don't.
Finally (and I DO MEAN FINALLY on this subject)I just wanted to thank Kudukid for the kind words and encouragment. However, when it comes to running for office I echo DEP's Shermanesque position. I have no desire to become what I generally despise.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Since it's election season, one would expect the candidates to be called all sorts of things. So be it.

What is disconcerting and sad is the only ones referring to others in this blog as "assinine", "stupid" or "moron" are the liberals and Democrats when referring to those with whom they disagree. Don't believe it then read the back comments.

BTW, this is the norm!

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

MReeder:

Excellent for the third time!

I would argue one small point...regarding Government Motors; it was not so much corporate welfare as it was a transfer of ownership to the UAW at investors expense and paid for by the American taxpayer.

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from dws wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

We need to work on a write in vote for Colin Powell/Norman Schwarzkopf. Lets save America.

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from Constant Gardener wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I'd have thought that the poison that poured out in response to Petzal's ruminations on the Trayvon Martin shooting would have put an end to him predictably stirring passions. In a country this polarized, everyone is guaranteed to find something at which to take offense in these comments. Please, Petzal, cut it out.

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from hawndog wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

kudukid, you may want to read some of these post again.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Any of you hear about the alligations made against Obama today in the press? Apparently a homosexsual encounter involving cocaine while he was a junior senator??
ps-Just for sake of conversation.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

hawndog:
As usual from the left - no facts. Why not just site an example instead of enigmatic suggestions?

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from mullet wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I've had enough of that corrupt crapweasel in the White House. He's a liar and hates America.

As for issues. The economy trumps all, and Romney will be decent.

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from rock rat wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Meanwhile at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave a lonely figure paces on a balcony while enjoying a surreptitious cigarette. The phone rings from the Attorney General of the United States.

Barack Hussein Obama: Wuzzup Eric?
Eric Holder: It's that Petzal Guy at Field and Stream
BHO: Petzl? What? Dude, I'm not a climber.
EH: NO! Not Petzl, Petzal the old gun nut guy at F+S
BHO: What the heck's he want? Don't they have a place for old toothless gunnies?
EH: He's endorsing Mittens the gun grabber. We are set to lose the ultra rich worshippers of five figure never used engraved rifle cohort of voters!
BHO: Oh Noez! What's to be done?
EH: We could call congress back for a special session to legalize all full autos and require every house to have twenty guns.
BHO: Fraid even that wouldn't do it legal eagle.
EH: What does he want?
BHO: It aint guns dude, folks like him exist on capital gains, not good enough to pay less than burger flippers gotta reduce it to zero.
EH: Maybe we'll lose the geriatric gotta spend at least 10K on a gun crowd!
BHO: We got Westchester county locked up already, those electoral votes are ours.
EH: Sleep tight
BHO: Later dude.

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from wisc14 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

dcast: your right our economy is in trouble. however a president didn't cause this mess and a president will not fix it. the president of america isn't an all powerful disctator.
hermitcrab i think you really hit the nail on the head

lots of people talking about socialism but i think an interesting point is that the hunting and fishing in this country is very socialist if you think about it. we the people own the fish and wildlife together. you can't buy fish and wildlife. thats what makes hunting and fishing in america great and why it sucks in england

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from wisc14 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

i'm voting for teddy roosevelt

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from hawndog wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

kudukid, If you think I am from the left, you dont know me. What I dont like about Romney is that he is to far left, only moving to the right to win votes.

To answer you question, I did the same thing you did and said to look back at the post, instead of calling people out. In your words "Don't believe it then read the back comments".
But, since you cannot follow your own advice I will help you.
Here are some cut and paste from above:

from Dcast wrote 10 hours 15 min ago

Hermit Crab,

"... I also share your belief that weapons that were designed for soldiers in war theaters don't belong on our streets. And so what I'm trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced. But part of it is also looking at other sources of the violence. Because frankly, in my home town of Chicago, there's an awful lot of violence and they're not using AK-47s. They're using cheap hand guns." ~ President Barack Obama October 2012 Presidential Debate

Once again only a moron would vote based on hunting and gun control! Read my last post that explains my view. By voting for neither is assinine but it is America and we have the freedom to be ASSinine!

here is another one:

from Dcast wrote 12 hours 43 min ago

For God sake people!

I'm a moron! I'm going to vote third party, Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, Alex Jones, etc... Do yourself a favor and just stay home because your vote/protest is worthless it means NOTHING! I'm a libertarian to an extent but my skull isn't mush!

I'm going to vote for Obama because he won't sell federal lands and ruin future hunting opportunities for me and my kids! If the country was 100% federal land, it wouldn't make a difference if you can't afford to buy a: hunting license, hunting tags, car, gas, electricity, water, ammunition, food, depends, golf balls, vaseline, beets, etc... Does it? This is such a lame excuse for validating your love and vote for Obama
tell the truth don't be affraid of your beliefs. I would bet my left teste that R&R will not discuss the selling of federal land once in office. That is the least of their worries. Have you been outside your cave in the last year? The economy is broken, 43 million people are dependant on government, 23 million without jobs, the Middle East is in chaos, and your worried about hunting land and what R&R might do? Jesus this country is upside down! There's a campaign commercial playing in Ohio right now that summarizes this election to a "T". Heres a link to watch it, it is an old one but all to relevant www.salon.com/2010/10/22/scary_china_ad/.

This election isn't about guns, hunting land, conservation, etc... This election is to determine the future of America! A future of poverty and dependency, or a future of freedom and individual rights! This determines the sovreignty of our nation, it determines whether Americans pull the purse strings or whether we become the laborers of other nations (A.K.A Slaves). You have a little over a week to get your heads out of your rectum and vote for DEPENDENCE or INDEPENDENCE! Make your choice, but don't come looking for a handout from the INDEPENDANT, because the punch in the face will be farm less painful than the alternative!

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I thought that since your post, and these re-post, use exactly the same words you would know where to look. I am sorry that I overestimated yor ability.

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from hawndog wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

oh I found another;

from kudukid wrote 13 hours 40 min ago

Hermit Crab - wake up and get your head out of your...shell!

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from Dcast wrote 10 hours 35 min ago

KYbill, Way to go man! You show them idiots who's boss! You two are so stupid I'm voting for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson because they are true constitutionalists.

Oh Lord if some people had half a brain they'd be dangerous, but I guess thats why you gave them just enough to make it through life!

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I was simply pointing out a flawed statment. This is the reason I did not get specific the first time. nobody else wants to reaad the same post again. but in this case it seems to be neccasary. Sorry to everyone else reading this.

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from MReeder wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Kudukid,
You are correct about GM. That was simply a government takeover (I believe that qualifies as actual socialism under the classical definition).
However, all of the green energy subsidies qualify under the heading of corporate welfare. The worst thing about the government directly investing in actual companies of any kind is that someone with what may a better idea and product is forced to compete against companies that have the government backing them up. That's why truly big corporations have no objection to heavy-handed regulation. They can afford the lawyers, accountants and lobbyists necessary to live with it; while their smaller competitors cannot. All for the good of the consumer of course...

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from MReeder wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

CervusCanadensis,
You are right that the repeal of the repeal of Glass-Steagall was a contributing factor to the financial meltdown. But you are wrong if you are blaming that on Bush. Bill Clinton signed that repeal into law. Facts are stubborn little things, aren't they?
I am now officially done, and moving on.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

dws

you say "need to work on a write in vote for Colin Powell/Norman Schwarzkopf. Lets save America?"

Colin Powell indorsed Obama who helped to get us into this mess!

(head bangs keyboard!)

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Kudukid, I can assure you that there isn't a socialist marxist bone in my body!

My comments mostly was to those voting 3rd party. Lets put it this way you come to an intersection you can go left and it takes you 20min to get home, you can go right which takes you 20 min to get home, or you can go straight which has a road closed sign posted that is the shortest route at 10min to get home. The republicans go right the democrats go left and the libertarian go straight with the closed road sign. Who gets home 1st? The only answer to the question is democrats and republicans beat the libertarian because he/she chose the road that was closed and now has to double back and choose from the road to the right or the road to the left.

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from hermit crab wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Constant Gardener:
I agree whole heartedly. Dave Petzal's a great, witty outdoors writer, but just because you have a soap box, doesn't mean you should use it (hopefully he wasn't coerced into writing such a blog post). Maybe he can blog about religion next?

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

To ellaborate more on my claim of being more libertarian. I agree with their views other than their stance on our enemies. I am a firm believer of eye for an eye and that isn't very libertarian, and they tend to align more with the democrats on that view. 2nd thing I don't agree totally with their stance on millitary and police, however I'm starting to agree more with their stance on the police which goes into detail I really don't care or have the time to discuss, but I do support both but with fine lines on the police.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Dcast let me help out here may I

“Bill Clinton is not the problem. The dismally stupid American people are the problem. It's they I fear.

Let us take comfort in the fact that majority opinion in this country has seldom pioneered greatness. It has nearly always been the minority who cherish freedom. What we are witnessing is a predictable cycle--a law of political science as every bit as unalterable as the law of gravity--as so eloquently explained by Prof. Tyler two centuries ago: that democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government, not due to any one corrupt leader, but to the rule of the masses who become dependent on government. Is it any wonder that the Founding Fathers tried to prevent democracy? Yes. We are nose diving into socialism, not because of Bill Clinton, but because of many of the people surrouding you in rush hour traffic.

It's the masses we must march against, and I can think of no better way than to vote Libertarian and abandon the Republicrats. In addition challenge every Clinton defender you know to name the three branches of the federal government and explain the function of each. When they can't (which in my experience is nearly all of them), simply dismiss them as unqualified to form a serious opinion.”
-poster “JJ”, 1999-Feb-11, from the georgiapolitics Message Board

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from davidpetzal wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

To Hermit Crab: I am indeed a great, witty outdoor writer and do have a soapbox, and I sympathize with you and the others that we should have to pick at this festering sore. However, if we are not political, we are not going to be shooters and gun owners either. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that people aren't after you. Also, no one said anything to me about writing this thread.

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from clinchknot wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Anyone that creates the title that was posted, doesn't know basic ECONOMICS 101. And that is a fact.

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from Mark-1 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

DP's Correct. Listen to your paranoia. God gave it to us for reason.

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from MICHMAN wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I like America and I get a strong sense that Romney likes America. BHO has spent the last 4 yrs. apologizing to other countries about America and poclaiming to the world that America is "no longer a Christian nation" while sympathizing with Muslims at every given opportunity. Obama's insolence towards Isreal, is alarming. His narrcisism is downright scary.

America is a country that loves its guns, hence a entire blog designated on the topic. Our neighbors in Canada have already lost the right to possess a handgun and people still think that this can't happen here in the USA. Now lets look at the NRA. The NRA fights for the rights of gun owners and they proclaim that Romney is the better choice of the two on this topic. Look at the leaders of our various sportsman organizations. They all support Romney.

Obviously guns are not the only issue but I for one side with Romney over BHO on the other important issues as well. I would like a proven business leader to lead our country during the tough economic times rather than someone who has virtually no experience prior to being president. This elected position has not went well for the former community organizer as is proof from the fact that his campaign has not focused on any accomplishments. BHO's campaign has primarily focused on discrediting Romney. If it were not for the fact that Obama has provided an incredible amount of entitlement programs than he wouldn't even have a chance for re-election. Small business's have sufferred do to the prolonged extensions on unemployment and the fact that those seeking entitlements have discovered that they can now "make" more $ by not working!

The list goes on and on, I vote for Romney.

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from chiefbuck wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Our national priority should be national defense. To assure that it can be done we need a viable, improving economy. The last four years prove beyond any doubt that the present occupant of the White House has other priorities. Gun control is a dream of liberals, Governor Romney is a very bright, well educated guy. He had no problem releasing his college transcripts, being that he has a law degree from Harvard in addition to his MBA and 25 years of business experience.
I wrote him asking about his position on gun control, he responded that he has no changes planned. He would be foolish to do so and turn his back on his vast support in our hunting and firearms community. He is not a fool but one who is not easily fooled either.
I'm an old retired vet who has followed politics for over fifty years and served in Washington DC during the Clinton years. I also was one who voluntarily returned my FFL during that time. I worked within walking distance of 1600 Pa Ave and saw the actions of the Clinton Administration up close, actually knew people who worked in the peoples house. I urge each of you to support Governor Romney in order to avert a disaster of monumental proportions. We might last through another four years of President Obama, but based on the last four years, why would anyone want to take a chance?

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from chiefbuck wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Our national priority should be national defense. To assure that it can be done we need a viable, improving economy. The last four years prove beyond any doubt that the present occupant of the White House has other priorities. Gun control is a dream of liberals, Governor Romney is a very bright, well educated guy. He had no problem releasing his college transcripts, being that he has a law degree from Harvard in addition to his MBA and 25 years of business experience.
I wrote him asking about his position on gun control, he responded that he has no changes planned. He would be foolish to do so and turn his back on his vast support in our hunting and firearms community. He is not a fool but one who is not easily fooled either.
I'm an old retired vet who has followed politics for over fifty years and served in Washington DC during the Clinton years. I also was one who voluntarily returned my FFL during that time. I worked within walking distance of 1600 Pa Ave and saw the actions of the Clinton Administration up close, actually knew people who worked in the peoples house. I urge each of you to support Governor Romney in order to avert a disaster of monumental proportions. We might last through another four years of President Obama, but based on the last four years, why would anyone want to take a chance?

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

yeah well pelosi and feinstein have both stated that if romney gets in as president, then they will have no problem leaving / not working for him. so i guess thats two main reasons to vote for him. besides romney has not lied yet about anything about himself. so far obama, clinton, and the secretary of defense covered the whole situation in libya up and it is now starting to make true headway. selling arms/stinger missiles to rebels who were taliban and then lying about it is a major screw up. not to mention that they blamed the anti muslim

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

sorry...they blamed the anti muslim video that was put out for the violence. oh obama and co decided to apologize for it on behalf of the american people when it had nothing to do with it. the man is a lying dog that needs to be voted out.

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from Carney wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

DP: Should you take up Hermit Crab's notion of blogging on "religion", I would be happy to ghost write for you...

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from scratchgolf72 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

MReeder, thanks for finally bringing up the fact that Clinton was the one (at least in my mind) who caused the housing crisis when he made it so damn easy for people to get houses that couldnt afford them!!!!

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I am so puzzled by the hunting/gun nut crowds view on the world.I am a hunter raised in the south and stay tuned into the political scene daily.It seems as though a large percentage of the gun crowd has a bad habit of conspiracy theory buy in from what is heard or read on FOX/right wing fanatical websites.Look, Obama has done less to your gun rights than that moron you voted in last time. Why would you assume with all that there is to be done he would care what you do with your guns?The second amendment is safe.You are going to be suckered into another republican, war hungry, corporate serving, administration that has nothing in common with you as you are working class and they have never worked a day in their life. Born wealthy automatically takes you out of the real world.But, you continue to let your minds be controlled by the rich who are really just stirring up social issues to play on your fears and keep you under thumb.The republicans have to keep wars going as it generates huge revenues for their buddies (Haliburton?). Don't vote for "not Obama" because of your misguided beleif that guns are in danger of being outlawed.His record in presidential office is clear, guns don't even show up on the radar.Actually, Romney has been just as anti-gun as anyone and he gets a pass now? Why? Because deep down there is something deeper that you do not like about Obama?Make sure you are looking deeper than guns and make sure you are not being lied to.Remember Bush? What did you learn? They are going to cut taxes for the rich sink the economy and no matter what the gun laws are you will be so poor you won't have the money to buy food, much less guns.

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from oldmotorcop wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

"In 2004, when he was governor of Massachusetts, Romney signed a state ban on assault weapons — such as the AR-15 allegedly used by James Holmes in Colorado — shortly before a federal ban on the guns expired."

“These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense,” Romney said at the time. “They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”

Asked by interviewer Brian Williams whether he stood by those words today, Romney deflected that question. He acknowledged signing a law banning assault weapons and added: “It was a continuation of prior legislation, and it was backed both by the Second Amendment advocates, like myself, and those that wanted to restrict gun rights because it was a compromise. Both sides got some things improved in the laws as they existed.”

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from Greg Arnold wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Scratch...Slick Willy signed off on Glass-Steagall which had limited commercial bank securities activities and affiliations between commercial banks and securities firms. Financial commentators have stated that the repeal of the affiliation restrictions of the Glass–Steagall Act was an important cause of the late-2000s financial crisis. Wall Street investment banking firms gambled with their depositors' money that was held in affiliated commercial banks and screwed the pooch.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I love it. The radical left, never read Obama's books and his thoughts on keeping guns out of our inner cities. Yet those of us who have fought to stay free did. LOL
I guess the best example of Obama with no to get re-elected is Chicago....yes....Chicago. His most restrictive regulation to date and one of many of his failed policies. Methinks those protesting fear losing their free cell phones and handouts. Like the staraving masses in an Occupy Anything movement.

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from jsschaeffer wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

So Obama is just lurking for that second term when he takes away all our guns. Show me some evidence of this. You can't because there isn't any. He has no background as a sportsman, but his appointees have a good track record of science-based resource management. Romney's plans for public land horrify me, and my guns visit public land often because it is the only place I have to hunt.

In Michigan, gun rights issues helped lead to a Republican majority in our legislature, and one of the first things they did was put a cap on State acquisition of any public lands, unless an equivalent acreage was sold. Funny how all the lands being considered for sale are public hunting lands that will be going to their friends in the logging and mining industry. And one of the pinheads that voted for the cap had the audacity to send out a little mail flyer about his great respect for hunting as a Michigan tradition and how important it was for maintaining family values.

I view "Obama will take away our guns" as an imaginary fear, while environmental destruction at the hands of Romney is real. I am voting for Obama. Again. As long as Hunters use a public pro-gun stance as litmus test for candidates, we will lose ground in every other way imaginable. And some ways that are unimaginable.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

His books, his writings, his votes (in Chicago as a legislator and as a Senator), his Gun Ban Vice Presidential choice, his Supreme Court appointees and his Anti Gun litnus test for them, his next Supreme appointees changing the balance, his allowing the Mexican President to come trash our Second Amendment in front of OUR Congress (while ALL the Democrats stood and cheered), his hand in Fast and Furious, Eric Holder, the fact that he is a liar, can't run the country, raped our finances and because the NRA has his number.But most of all because a second term leaves him fearless and able to to do whatever he wants.
Now list all the times Romney has devastated the countryside and poured pollutants into our water. Please be as specific as I have. ANYONE who has been a Sportsman in New England will tell you the direct opposite. In fact the two guys who FOUGHT AGAINST things like windmills IN THEIR OWN STATE of Massachusetts, were Ted Kennedy and John Kerry....BECAUSE...THEY (the energy drainers that they were on their Gore/Edwards type compounds)didn't want such things in THEIR ocean because of the view from their private beaches and in made it tough for their yachting....AND ....Michael Dukakis took our Sportsman funds (including those that were self-imposed) and tossed them into his General Welfare Fund to waste. Romney fought them on both things.
So stop drinking the Tree Hugger/Petaphile Sierra Kool Aid and ignoring the truth. I've fought polluters since the 60's, when there were real problems...., not trendy BS pablum fed to us by PETAphile cloaked enviros and Al Gore Limos with an agenda.
The Obama types who use the resource for hiking, camping, kayaking, etc...NEVER PAID IN and still don't. Don't tell me Sportsman don't fight pollution and champion nature. We were there everytime and we SPEND the money through Pittman/Robertson, Dingel/Johnson and licanse fees to keep it that way while dirty smelly tree huggers never reach into their own pockets to do a damn thing, only those in the Bloodsports do.The Urban Obama Enviros just whine and live off the nature freebie, just like they do in their little Occupy Bowel Movements.
Two things I've been able to count on as a life long Sportsman are the NRA and the fact that those in the Bloodsports will band together to save our renewable resources...and we remain the only ones with a self imposed tax to do so.
So if Romney is elected, there will be a country and countrysideto fight for. If Obama gets in again, there won't be a nickel to do anything to save the environment. Do you think Greece has the cash to save anything? Send Obama packing...he is a failed experiment. You've been hustled, he wasted our money again and again. I ain;t letting him turn MY country into Chicago or Europe.

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I lived on a cattle ranch and the right reminds me of the cattle walking to slaughter. Sean hannity and wingnut glen beck sell your hides and laugh all the way to the bank. FEAR! It is the agenda of the right but, the red stater is so wrapped up in social issues you buy in and let us fund more wars because you are scared of the black man as president. All of this aside, have you read the beliefs of Mormons? You think southern baptist are out there? How do you know what Romney is gonna do? He isn't specific about one thing. He has changed his mind so many times it should scare everyone. Obama is easy to peg. He is for the Working class and focused. oddly enough that group is made up of all of you that dislike him because of your inability to get over your prejudices. Romney is not like you and does not are about you. He will take all of your money and give it to the ultra rich. March to slaughter.

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from 99explorer wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Although I think Newt Gingrich would have been a better choice for the Republican candidate, I can live with Mitt Romney because he is more electable, and he is head and shoulders above the incumbent.

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

tonight on fox news was an interview with the father of the navy seal who was killed over in libya. and he explained in specific detail that his son as well as two other seals that went into that building to try to save those united states ambassadors...they radioed in to the cia for support of a c-130 to come in and help. three times they were denied any help from our government specifically obama, hillary, and sec of defense. and when hillary met the father of the seal for the first time when his body came home, she stated that we will go after the people who are responsible for putting the anti-muslim video together. the deaths of those seals had nothing to do with the video. it had to do with the cover up of selling arms to the wrong people. and our president was in turkey prior to this all taking place. the man is a scumbag plain and simple and he has lied to the american people time and time again.

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

tonight on fox news was an interview with the father of the navy seal who was killed over in libya. and he explained in specific detail that his son as well as two other seals that went into that building to try to save those united states ambassadors...they radioed in to the cia for support of a c-130 to come in and help. three times they were denied any help from our government specifically obama, hillary, and sec of defense. and when hillary met the father of the seal for the first time when his body came home, she stated that we will go after the people who are responsible for putting the anti-muslim video together. the deaths of those seals had nothing to do with the video. it had to do with the cover up of selling arms to the wrong people. and our president was in turkey prior to this all taking place. the man is a scumbag plain and simple and he has lied to the american people time and time again.

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

so openureyes:

you are not openly against obama's stance on illegal immigration that they are are allowed to stay here on student and work visas as long as they are not breaking the law? they are breaking the law...they are illegals by not paying taxes. or the fact that the terroristic threat that was caught by our fbi were illegal immigrants on student visas in ny city!!!

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

openureyes:

better yet what about his policy of entitlemnet? that the poorest of the poor are entitled to the same luxuries as people who ACTUALLY WORK FOR IT!!!! the man is a fool. he has no interset in protecting the middle class.

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

You are an immigrant! My grandmother is .5 Cherokee. I have heard and read how this scene plays out. Trail of tears? Where did your people come from? When you look around and see all the fat Americans that want to sit behind a desk and call it work you will understand why immigrants are so important, they work hard and are not fat and completely lazy. This is just modernernized racism. The GOP can't be as openly biased to the other minorities anymore so they have picked new groups to hate out loud. Mexicans and homosexuals. Nice! The new racism brought to you by FOX news and the fringe right wing nut balls. GOP= rich white guys misleading the poor with social issues.

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

big difference...they are illegal immigrants. they want no part of being part of american society. when my grandparents came here, they WANTED to speak the american language. there was no ESL classes in school. ESL stands for english as a second language. it should be the first language you fool. how is it that when immigrants came here many years ago, the first stop was ellis island where they received vaccinations before entering the country. yet today getting them to a dr to be vaccinated is near impossible cause they do not want to be found. know what the number one export in this country is???? cash, good old american dollars so that their families can also illegally come here. dont pull that immigrant bull$hit, years ago people came here legally. our politicians including obama feel that they are ENTITLED to be here. if everyone of these people were documented and contributing to our society, our economy would not be in the condition it is in. they go to school for free, they medical for free, they qualify for in state college tuition, and now they are ENTITLED to get a driver's license.

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

and your version of illegals is just mexican? nope your wrong again!!!! there are asians which are illegal (chinese and indian), hasidic jewish which are illegal. what part of the country do you live in? because in new jersey, the ILLEGALS run as rampant and your typical cockaroach. breed like crazy adn you can't get rid of them no matter how hard you try.

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

That is awesome.Hatred and anger,FOX news?I love the way you believe that all of the immigrants came through Ellis Island. Nothing like a romantic view of history.Does that also help you cope with the guilt of slavery?
Anyway,the fact is your eye is not even on the ball.Your fox news education has done its job and filled you with hatred instead of turning the mirror on yourself or maybe questioning the terrible lies that Hannity and Limbaugh spew out daily.
I do not want to argue this nonsense as it is exactly how the right has moved the insane policies forward in the first place.
Back to Romney. I just cant understand why someone would vote for him when he was so fanatically right wing in the primaries, moderate to liberal in Massachusetts, and now moderate again.HE MADE OBAMACARE LAW BEFORE OBAMA DID!!!!! Now he will repeal it?He has not been specific about anything, pro life, with stipulations, pro life all the way, now who knows? He signed anti gun bills in Mass. but now he is the poster boy for the NRA???come on, youve been duped.the guy is a puppet that will say anything to make his buddies richer.Let's face it, the Republican party is so bad that its best bet is another millionaire with no plan.Those fools in the primary were just plain scary so you boiled down the pot and now this guy whose dad was rich and wealthy enough to pave the road so he had no bumps along the way is all the party has left. Social issues are stupid.It is none of opur business what a woman does to her body! Immigration is a fly on a nats butt of our problems. George Bush cut taxes for the super wealthy and bankruped the country. Obama inherits a pile of doo and everyone expects things to just be better in 4 years?Ask anyone in the auto industry who you should vote for? WAKE UP!!!!

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from dale freeman wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Don't forget.
It is us, who voted for the men and women who put us in a out of control government.
Our voting record, the coruption, the brother against brother, did not start with O'Bummer, he just capitalized on it.
I truly fear what is about to happen in America.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I love it. Another Enviro Tree Hugger who believes it's a good idea to add 12 million plus people to our already strained resource.
Toss in millions of beater cars spewing fumes. millions of people straining our parks and renewable resources, add their waste, litter,drain,the billions we spend to keep them that should be spent elsewhere etc......
All unplanned for, all a negative return for us and all excused, because someone is x% indian and no one was supposed to come.
The Latino people are a terrific asset, most are great Americans....we are talking od invaders who came here without our permission.
So Mitt Romney is evil, because he's rich. Boy, does that sound like the old Soviet Union. So lets add millions of people who drain our Nation and attack those picking up the tab. Brilliant. It's obvious you are the "wetting his beak" in the Obamanomics world....and the Mitt's of America are carrying you. I get it TAX everyone but you. You aren't the drain on the environment, nature or the public. Those who work, pay and protect are.
You are obviously a talker, theorist and not a worker bee who gets things done. You are truely an Obamaite. Money wins in the fight to save the environment, hunter, fishermen with our self imposed taxes and regulations all know this. We were there for the fight....we didn't chain ourselves to nailed trees. We dug into our pockets and put up. You obviously don't get it. You won't until you get a job, pay the lions share or the taxes and understand, the guy with all the guns, boats and tackle (aka the rich guy), has been paying your share for everything all along.
Suddenly, Da Boys from Chicago are the saviors of guns, safety, natuer and the American way.....but a guy who earned what he has and paid more in in one year than you'll pay in a life time is evil. I love it...Dad used to have a saying about a man with a paper....never mind, kid. You wouldn't get it anyway. LMAO

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Funny,out East when we fought to bring back the Turkey, the Striper,the woodcock,the rivers, limits, our gun rights, etc....I never remember having the Obamaites of the world by my side. They were all busy fighting to protect the Union Industries spewing the garbage into rivers and filling the air with toxic smoke so Da Boys from Chicago could maintain controlwith their thuggery. Back then we were fighting for jobs, careers and service industries that had less of an impact on the enviroment. Today the Newbie Environmentalist who is suddenly wants Da Rust back as Obama promises ancient factories we can't go backwards to retrieve.
Remeber when we as a nation always won the World Super Bowl? Now we are managed by those who were cut from the team, never played and certainly haven't contributed. Is Romney the answer to everything...no. But he is a start back. Always fear the Lemmings who latch onto a Messiah....they are only there looking for direction to the freebeis. LOL :)

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Never worked? How bought 20 acres of organic farming? How bout daylight to dark? While your fat ass is walking around wal Mart looking for factory slaughtered animals I'm busting my ass to do it right. I pay plenty of taxes and don't care if I pay more. The roads I drive the parks I visit, I got no problem with paying for those. Is there waste? Of course but, one day you'll need help and it will be there for you to lean on and I trust you will use it right and move on. I don't have a problem with the rich, I have a problem with the porlitariet believing they will someday be the same. You will never touch their pot of gold. They legislate it to themselves while you are Busy "fighting" for your guns and you religious beliefs. Wake up.

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Just curious, when did Romney say that he would "Sell" federal lands? My understanding is that he would simply like the states to deal with it, along with other things currently handled by the feds which the states could do better. Show me if I'm wrong here, please.

Also...There isn't that much public land here in Oklahoma, (albeit there is some, and I don't think it's going anywhere any time soon,) and there are a lot of oil rigs/natural gas wells dotting the countryside, and none of the other hunters and fishermen that I know complain about it.

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Just curious, when did Romney say that he would "Sell" federal lands? My understanding is that he would simply like the states to deal with it, along with other things currently handled by the feds which the states could do better. Show me if I'm wrong here, please.

Also...There isn't that much public land here in Oklahoma, (albeit there is some, and I don't think it's going anywhere any time soon,) and there are a lot of oil rigs/natural gas wells dotting the countryside, and none of the other hunters and fishermen that I know complain about it.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Hey Openureyes, I want you to take you 20 arces and redistribute it to the illegals. gays and abortionists you mentioned above....different when they're taking your stuff for -redistribution, eh? LOL
There are 6 Trillion reasons why Obama/Biden are crooked. Forget the fact that Biden's Brother's Company just got billions top rebuild Iraq (amazing for a guy that didn't have those skills, eh?) or the Solydras or even Michelle Obama getting her pay doubled at the Hospital she worked at after her husband became Senator and got her employer Millions in Federal Taxpayer dollars. That's right, Obama who has never risked one nickel of his OWN mony to create a job,and somehow made 10 million last year when his Presidential check is about $350K (plus tax free perks). Not bad for a neighborhood organizer, heh?
Funny...a Hook and Bullet Magazine supports the NRA, the 2nd Amendment and someone who isn't trying to put them out of business and all youis refer to Gays, women getting abortions and people here illegally. What a shock.Hey, I never noticed any of them fighting for the 2nd, the bloodsports or at a DU, TU, etc...meeting.
So do they assign you guys to different Websites,or do you get to pick your own.
There are 6 Trillion reasons not to vote for these clowns...one is the fear that they'll keep doing what their doing.
I'm going with the guy who spends HIS money to create jobs and a fellow Sportsman.

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

so openureyes
you pay taxes and don't mind if you pay more? you are a fool then. why would you pay more when there are people who do not pay anything? are you that naive or is that pure stupidity on your end? or maybe you have tons of money to hand out and flat out just don't care. vote for who you want but the rest of america is getting tired of footing the bill.

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Everyone pays taxes. Some more than others.If you purchase anything in this country, you pay taxes.Your pick for president pays less than almost anyone percentage wise.Just keep believing the crap that FOX feeds you.
Here is the thing, you can all sit on this post and cry about Obama who has done an amazing job fixing what the last moron did but, I am done because I just looked at the electoral college map, and this thing is over. Thank goodness that there are people who read books and think things through and ,carry us out of this red state mentality. I guess it will be payback for George Bush stealing an election. We will save your jobs, save your country, and let you reap the overall benefits of a democratic government. YOU ARE WELCOME.

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from Hobob wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Romney signed the MA assault weaons ban so he obviously is no friend. Actually The VP being the tie breaking vote in the Senate is worth quite a bit in this day and age. I am holding my nose and voting for Romney because he is the lesser of two evils but I could see people voting for Obama instead.

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

@openureyes

Obama has done an "amazing job fixing what the last moron did"
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Don't get me wrong, I think Bush did a pretty poor job fiscally, but please explain to me all the things Obama has fixed...Debt...UP...spending...UP...Unemployment...UP...Economic growth...Down...Gas prices...UP...Liberty...Less and less every day. Employers who have a moral objection to contraception will now have to include it in their health plans...we will all be coerced to buy a product under monetary penalty. And don't give me the Bullsh¡t that it is a tax. Shall I go on with the things Obama has screwed up? His philosophy is anti-american. Please explain to me what he has fixed.

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

What kind of jackass puts gas prices on the president? Why don't you just say you are a racist? It will feel good to come out of the closet.
We would have been in a serious depression without the policies of the president. Unemployment at 8% is really good compared to the 30% we were facing. Plus at least 10% of the morons I meet shouldn't be employed anyway. Does anyone want to put the deficit on the stupid wars that we should not have fought? The war that was created to make Haliburton more money???
Enough trying to persuade people who rely on a television for education and the bible for direction in life. This is nonsense. You will now have to piss and moan for four more years because it's over. If it goes to Romney, we will be in another war with even more debt. Roosevelt, Bill Clinton saved us and now we need more democrats to do it again.

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from MICHMAN wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

In the next four years the President will more than likely appoint multiple Supreme Court Justices. These are people who carry agneda's; pro or anti-gun. Which candidate do think is more likey appoint a pro-gun justice? Once again, I think Romney.

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

@Openureyes

I was simpy ranting about all the things that are going rather poorly right now. Also, I watch pretty much zero T.V. I read books and do listen to the radio...Yeah, "haters" like Mark Levin...

Anyway, I am going to challenge you, and all the Obamanites trolling this website.

Look in to what the U.S. founding fathers believed about the nature of man and what the nature of Government ought to be. E.G. if you have time, take the free online course "Constitution 101" from Hillsdale college. Then, if you like that, take the one after it, Constitution 201. If you are not at least inspired I will be very surprised. Just maybe you will open YOUR eyes.

By the way, even though as I said I do not really watch T.V., I am proud to rely on the Church and the Bible for direction on how to live my life.

Also, sorry for using the word Bull$*!t in the last post...A bit un-decent of me, even though true. I was rather riled up.

Finally, you have still not given me any specific policies that have helped us economically,,,

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Should have said, "About some of the things that are wrong and going rather poorly right now..."

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I do believe the auto bailout was a strong move. If you think of all of the people that would have been affected (other industries not directly related included) it would have been catastrophic. Obviously the call that was made on bin laden was strong and needed. Ending the Iraq war was essential.
My core belief is the job is so big and there is so much scrutiny today, no one will ever be a great president again. We are over exposed and too many far left/far right groups exist with a platform for us to focus on any success. This is a decent president that seriously inherited a pile. I think a reelection is essential because the progress in the economy is undeniable at this point. Let's stay the course and finish this recession. I just hate that social issues have misguided so many people to not see the real problems. And we really need to stop going to war and overspending on defense!

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I beg to differ on the auto bailout. Government should not be picking and choosing industries to support. The auto industry would be stronger today if they had gone through bankruptcy like everyone else.

Yes, it was a good thing that we got out of Iraq and killed bin laden.

Please, look in to the ideas of freedom that have made this country great. READ the declaration of independence, READ the constitution, READ the federalist papers. I strongly suggest that you watch the aforementioned lecture series.

Also, just as a side note, the state I live in, Oklahoma, is a state with a majority of voters registered DEMOCRAT. Last year, the only state in which EVERY county voted Republican was...OKLAHOMA!!!

Oh, yes, I forgot to mention the scandals that are not given due attention by the mainstream media...Fast and Furious for example. So poorly handled that the weapons that were intentionally sold to drug cartels and such were used to kill multiple mexicans and an American border agent!!

Also, the crony capitalist practices of this administration, such as giving millions of dollars to certain "green" energy companies that failed shortly thereafter!

Not to mention the recent lie that the attack on our embassy was caused by some video.

And I could go on...

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

So...are basic freedom and the idea of God-given equal rights for all, (including the unborn and the elderly,) a "Social issue," and therefore to be avoided?

Also, I forgot to mention that under Obamacare, we will have a board of like fifteen people deciding what is the most cost-effective way to administer healthcare...If that doesn't make you uncomfortable, I don't know what will...

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from 007 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Ok, deal me into this game. Openureyes, I for one am sick and tired of being labeled a racist because I plan to vote for a caucasian WHO FOR THE MOST PART MIRRORS MY BELIEFS. I don't care if the president is black, white, pink, or green as long as he/she is pro-life, does not cater to the homosexual marriage crowd, is pro 2nd amendment (gasp!), doesn't expect me to pay for the health care of those who are too lazy to work, and has a solid plan for the economy. Obama meet those requirements? As to the supreme court standing up for us, everybody remember Obamacare? Also, as Michman points out, the next president will likely appoint several more justices. How would you like to learn to say supreme court justice Eric Holder? I'm sick of liberals hiding behind race because they can't defend their candidate's pathetic record, sick of this administration's lack of a foreign policy and muslim leanings (sacraficing our ambassador ring a bell?), sick of executive orders that undermine the whole process, and most of all I'm sick of folks voting party, regardless of who the candidate is. We need to look at the big picture and the one that the current president paints quite frankly scares me to no end.

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

For the record only 8% of those green companies failed.

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Perhaps, (I will have to look in to that...) but do you think that it is okay that the government to pick and choose those industries it wants to support?

Also, what do you define as "Social issues?"

What say you about Fast&Furious?

How about anti-freedom policies of this administration, e.g. the recent H.H.S. mandate regarding contraception, and compulsory purchase of healthcare under penalty of law?

How about refusing to enforce federal immigration law and his supreme court justices litigating against the state of Arizona for passing a law that mirrors Federal law?

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from builder wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

A vote for Romney will eliminate the hunting lands I use, and probably result in the loss of my union job, devastating the wages of the middle class, eliminating my extra money to buy guns, ammo, and a good many other things. There is no evidence to suggest Obama will alter course on the gun issue, his last four are the best indicator of the next four. Stick with him to protect your hunting grounds and earning power.

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Umm...When did Romney say he was going to get rid of public land? Please explain this to me. I thought his plan was to allow drilling etc. more widely and give the states more power over how to deal with it...perhaps I'm confused...

Also, when has Romney spoken about unions? I don't remember him saying anything about breaking them up. (However I think right-to-work type-laws/provisions in a state's constitution not requiring or prohibiting union membership for any specific job are a very good thing...)

So, how is he going to devastate the "middle class"? (I put that in quotation marks because there is not a class system in America, and "middle income American" is a more accurate term.) Obama is the one who is the one who is devastating the economy by bad policy. Also, he is going to raise taxes, and not just on the so-called "Rich." With Obamacare coming down the pipeline, but not en force as of yet, there will be more taxes all around.

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from 007 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Regarding Obamacare, a colleague of mine who works for a rather large company told me that his company currently pays $160K per year for health care for their employees, and that if Obamacare if fully implemented that cost will go to $600K. Who do you think will absorb that hit? This administration is the greatest seller of snake oil to come along in many years.

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Oh I'm sure that company is telling the truth. We should always trust corporate America. They have never lied or screwed anyone.they Good people giving not taking. Not polluting, mistreating employees, screwing everyone for an extra tax break. Come on, it is common sense to put everyone in an insurance pool to control cost. Corporations have been doing it for a long time but, god forbid the government do it. I assume no one on here excepts Medicare, social security, public transportation, parks, etc. if you don't like the plan, get your own. Read the bill, you can keep private insurance.

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

"Come on, it is common sense to put everyone in an insurance pool to control cost."

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I don't think you understand, openureyes. It's not all about money. (However, I think that there are MUCH more cost effective ways to do this...How about talking to some doctors when you write a plan?) We (real Americans,) believe in a little something called liberty, and that means freedom from coercion inside of moral behavior. When a government can regulate the amount of water you have in your toilet, what can they not regulate? When they can regulate what type of lightbulb that you have in your home, what can they not regulate? When they can FORCE YOU TO BUY A PRODUCT THAT YOU DO NOT DESIRE TO BUY, that product being HEALTHCARE, when they can FORCE AN EMPLOYER OR HOSPITAL TO PROVIDE CONTRACEPTIVE CARE AND ABORTIVE DRUGS CONTRARY TO THEIR CONSCIENCE, what can they not control?

Ever heard the parable of the frog that got boiled bit by bit, starting in tepid water, with somebody slowly increasing the heat? By the time the frog realized that this water was too hot, he was already dying. That is what is happening to our liberty, and one day, if Obama is reelected (and maybe even if he isn't...) you will realize that you are no longer living in an America you recognize. (Also, this isn't all Obama's fault, the over-regulation issue, but he has contributed to the problem more than anyone else.)

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I completely relate. Here is my issue. Business and individuals had that freedom and abused it. Dumped poison in the rivers, killed too many deer, used gross amounts of fertilizers, shot each other, etc. WE are the problem. Businesses would screw you for a penny if there wet no regulations. I would love to believe corporations would insure people and pay fair wages but, come on. They failed us and now there are regulations. I love freedom but, unchecked it leads to caps. Enlighten me please.

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from 007 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Openureyes, I have to wonder just how far into the real world you have ventured, by the tone of your posts. Do you think every corporation out there is out to get you? I can teach lessons in paranoia (spelling?) but you make me sound like a rank amateur. Do you self insure? How do you function without any corporate involvement? How do you support yourself? I challenge you to offer supporting facts, not opinions, for your claims of poisoning the rivers, killing too many deer, over fertilizing, etc. No matter what one does today, there is some corporate presence short of living in a cave as a hermit. As to reading the bill, have you done so? Lastly, I find it ironic that you do not trust corporate America yet you blindly following Obama like a lemming off the proverbial cliff.

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from 007 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

One last question, I just have to ask. Are you one of those Occupy Wall Street nuts?

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I never said that commerce does not need some degree of regulation. The founding fathers understood this, and therefore designated one of the powers of congress to "regulate interstate commerce."

The problem is that the government has stepped beyond simple regulation and into soft tyranny, creating solutions for problems that do not exist, such as violating the first amendment by forcing individuals to preform certain actions, such as provide for drugs they believe immoral, when contraceptives are easy to access. Another BIG part of the problem is power being consolidated into the executive branch. These bureaucracies spitting out regulations constantly is not O.K.

I also said inside of moral behavior. Certain business actions are immoral, and should be regulated, but much more of this regulation, (that which does not involve interstate commerce,) should be done at the state and local level.

The thing is that the current Chief Executive is moving far beyond what any have done before in abridging freedoms in a country that, while struggling, and had about 100 years of moving toward tyranny, was not doing nearly as bad as it is now before he took office.

Also, I think that a great part of the problem in America is it's movement further and further away from God. I believe one of the founding fathers said that A free people must remain virtuous if they are to remain free or something along those lines...

So, you believe that the country whose economic system has created so much prosperity that it's poor would be considered well-off in most other societies is composed of a bunch of jerks who are looking to screw everybody else over? Interesting...

Also, you apparently believe that the government is going to be more benevolent than those corporations (who, by the way, need customers to function,) and look out for everybody? Government is made up of imperfect people too, and government tends to become more and more power-hungry the more power it has.

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from 007 wrote 1 year 23 weeks ago

This may have already been touched on above, if so forgive the rerun, but Obama has simply been biding his time and working behind the scenes. Now that he would not be tied down in a 2nd term the truth starts to come out, and let's not forget the "cheap handguns in Chicago" remark. Anybody who thinks this guy has no designs on gun control is simply naive, and yes, this is from Fox News, do you really think CNN or the pro-Obama news sources would report on this?? www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/01/debate-answer-on-assault-weapons-ban...

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 23 weeks ago

I refuse to take anything seriously from an entertainment channel. It is created to entertain some and mislead most.

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from 007 wrote 1 year 23 weeks ago

As opposed to CNN, (the Clinton New Network), Al Franken, Larry King, and the liberal networks? Sure................

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from sticky wrote 1 year 23 weeks ago

I MISS RONALD REAGAN RIP.

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 23 weeks ago

I say turn off the tv! I think NPR is obviously where news should come from along with some bbc to see ourselves through the outside worlds eyes.

As for Ronald Reagan. He was as terrible as W. leadership is so piss poor in this century that Ronald Reagan is now looked upon as a good president??? Come on, stop romantisizing a terrible president because all of the wing nuts the republicans put forth now are so bad that Reagan looks decent. He was a jackass, his mental instability rates up there with Carlton Heston. Bad actors that fooled the john Wayne era republicans. Clinton was a good president and has the stats to prove it!

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from 007 wrote 1 year 22 weeks ago

That last post pretty much proves the point. Sorry, DEP, this thread is no longer worth following. Openureyes, in the immortal words of Bill Engvall, "here's your sign". Adios.

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from texas_hunter90 wrote 1 year 22 weeks ago

to be completely honest i didn't think either candidate was truly qualified but i believe we needed to choose the lesser of two evils Romney was my choice but seeing as how everybody has the right to their own opinion my choice didn't win i pray to the good lord above that our way of life does not stay the same but gets better and in closing some of you may disagree but it is my personal belief that one of the main reasons America has not been invaded since (some of you might disagree with this being considered an invasion) the Civil war when the south invaded the northern states is our right to own firearms i believe the average American owns 3 or more firearms (might be more or less that's just a quick statistic i got from one of my magazines) and if anyone did invade us we would all fight to protect our great nation and that is what makes our civilian forces exceedingly strong i fear that if our government starts restricting us from owning certain weapons that some say were made for soldiers at war such as the AK47 and the AR15 in the state that our nation is in right now that it would make us look weak and vulnerable to the larger nations. I am sure some of you disagree if so feel free to comment i am always open to hear others points opinions just as you have heard mine

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from martinh523 wrote 1 year 21 weeks ago

I get tired of hearing people say this president is no good and this one is bad.
The economy is bad because of our house and senate.
I am not a democrat or a republican.
I have watched both sides and have read and listened to most everything each side has said and wrote including both candidates.
One of the biggest things that bothers me is that during the first 4 years of the Obama term, there were over 300 initiatives to help the economy and small business and jobs and the house shot every one of them down.
And all I read and heard was the tea party republicans and the conservative dems say to vote anything down that Obama or the liberals on both sides want to help us.
How sad is that to sink the economy and slam the middle class (which is all of us who make under $150,000 a year)
I was one of those republican Federal Forestry workers back in the day when Reagan came into office with all of his promises and all he did was can 15,000 of us.
There is not now and not anywhere in the near future a chance in us losing our guns.
They have been trying to do this scare tactic for more then 30 years.
There is no president with enough clout to take your hunting rifles away.
or most any guns.
Instead of putting so much effort into a he said she said over both republicans and democrats line of crap, why dont we all put the effort into making us a great nation as before?
Put the laws back into effect of tarrifs on products from other countries, go after these companies who have moved their businesses over seas to manufacture in other countries.
If a company moves to another country to make their goods then they are no longer an american company and should be treated as a non american company and taxed and tarrifs as an import.
There should also be no such thing as free trade.
And this crap about lowering taxes on the rich is a load of crap also.
They said this when Reagan was president and they did not create new jobs.
They have been lowering the taxes and removing regulations and labor laws for over thirty years for the rich people and their companies and they have NOT created new jobs for us nor have they raised our wages for cost of living!
All they have done with all theses tax breaks and law reductions and loss of government oversights is to take their companies overseas and hire those in those other countries then ship the products back here.
Why do we allow all of this to happen and to let big business and the rich run us into the ground?
Did you know that Mitt Romney before running for president was just as bad as Obama for gun control?
Bet you did not know that.
He changed his veiws after starting his campaign and getting that big endorsement from the NRA and some other gun clubs.
I would like the republican party go back before 1980 and become who they were and the democrats to get rid of the rich conservitives.
There should not be any rich people in politics and there should be term limits on any and all senators and representitives.
It should be evry 2 years that we vote on them and a max of 8 years like the president and theere should be a limit on age and forced retirement at 65.
And all americans should demand that all senators be arrested and removed from office for not doing their job correctly.
A senators job is to represent the people in their districts and to vote for anything that the majority in their districts vote for and not decide for them selves what they want.
They are supposed to represent what the majority wants in their districts and not what a rich person or company pays them to do! this is actually illegal of them.
God I could go on and on.
Dont take political sides for issues that dont really help us as a whole and dont listen to these rich people try to confuse us on the REAL issues of America.
Dont support any so called american company who operates out of this country or buy there supplies from foriegn countries or hires non americans.

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from MaxPower wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

"Neither candidate has a clue about how to solve any of our major problems"- I have to take exception with this statement Mr. Petzal. I feel one of our biggest problems is the economy, and one of the two is very well qualified. While I admit there is only so much one can do to be prepared to be Commander and Chief of our great nation, Gov. Romney has succeeded in the private, public and non-profit financial realms. We'd be hard pressed to find someone better prepared than him to help boost the economy.

As far as the 2nd Amendment, I don't see Romney being detrimental at all, but I also don't see him being a great champion of it either. Your prediction of what Pres. Obama would do is very accurate.

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from Shavager wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

You sound like a Ron Paul supporter Petzal, that dawg won't hunt in this race! Romney wasn't necessarily born into wealth and success--he gave ALL his inheritance from dad George to CHARITY. He is a self-made millionaire, starting from bottom out of college. Romney is FRUGAL, he's turned around companies, the Olympics and state of Massachussetts. By the way, he served Olympics FREE--taking NO SALARY, he served as Gov. of Mass. FREE--taking NO SALARY. It's not likely Romney would pass any gun control measures even if Congress pushed it, after this election GOP will probably control both House and Senate--NO GUN CONTROL LAWS WILL PASS! OWEbumbler is a "social justice" socialist at heart--he's not just REDISTRIBUTING money here in America, he's distrituted BILLIONS to foreign countries like Italy, Portugal, Denmark, Finland,UK, Australia,France,Germany,Russia,China, Vietnam,Mexico,Brazil,El Salvador,etc...AND WE THE PEOPLE GOT THE BILL! This election is about OVERTURNING A DICTATORSHIP and getting representation back for the people. With Romney/Ryan for the Republic, we will at least be headed in right direction vs. a president who's Anti-2nd Amendment and has NEVER cast a pro-2nd Amendment vote!

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

My vote goes to Mitt Romney, I'm sure many are surprised. I'm tired of the petulant child in office pointing fingers at everyone but himself. He blames Bush and everything under the sun, but didn't he campaign on Hope & Change? I almost voted for him because I too was tired of Washington. He offered change promised to make the economy better it isn't! He promised to be "The most open office of the presidency, EVER"' he couldn't be further from so. He promised "laser like focus", on jobs, apperently he ran out of batteries because I haven't seen it. He passed a $879 billion dollar stimulus bill to rebuild roads and bridges across the nation to get construction workers back to work, he is still running the same campaign line. The only thing we get from him is childish foreplay and broken promises. As for Romney and people who can't do math I will do it for you. Romney proposes to cut taxes for EVERYONE! and we hear it adds $5 trillion dollars to the deficit. Well morons it does if you don't cut spending which he is proposing to do second it is the peoples money to begin with not the governments. Now for the math that shows his plan works:(these are all going to be round numbers for ease)

Romneys plan
10% tax cut from 30%
12 million people added to the payroll @ a effective tax rate of 20% for people making $100,000 and lets say 1/3 get jobs at that rate.

4,000,000ppl*$100,000 = $400,000,000,000
$400,000,000,000*20% = $80,000,000,000

$80,000,000,000 from 4 million people!

8,000,000ppl*$50,000 = 400,000,000,000 * 10% =40,000,000,000

$120,000,000,000 additional dollars going directly to the fed. This doesn't include the money that goes indirectly to the fed which is far more than what they collect directly. Also he will repeal Obamacare which is another trillion+ dollars of defecit spending.

Now Obamas plan is to tax the rich take that money increase the roles of dependents, unions, government, obamacare, etc... Also a little know fact, You know the farm bill everyone is all in the pisser over 80% of that money goes to Food Stamps not conservation, farmers, crp, etc... You don't have to believe what I say or anyone else says just do the work to get the truth!

Final thought I gave Obama a chance to prove his worth and he has been a miserable failure, the one thing he need to get acomplished in the past 4 years was to get people back to work and he hasn't done that or anything to help.

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from makersman wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

what we need is a blue collared president. Someone who knows how the majority of America lives and thinks.

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from TLF Nevada wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I have never voted for a presidential candidate however I have voted against several.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Anyone says Obama isn't going to really go for the UN Gun Ban, is a FOOL!

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.

He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.

A murderer is less to fear”
-Marcus Tullius Cicero 42 BC

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from FirstBubba wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Any vote given to a third party candidate is a vote "FOR" Owebama!
This is for those who think voting "Libertarian" or "write in" makes sense or in some way "punishes" either of the two major party candidates.

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from aferraro wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

1) Obama wants to ban "assault weapons" and possibly "cheap" handguns for lawful American citizens. 2) He doesn't know the difference between automatic and semi-automatic weapons- that is just scary.
3) Obama's Justice Department "walked" thousands of assault weapons and handguns to Mexican drug cartels and after 2 years of investigations / stonewalling no one really understands why.
4) Obama's AFT restricted guns sales along our border with Mexico because of gun related violence- some of which he caused by intentionally selling guns to cartels.
What do you think he would do in a second term when he doesn't need to worry about re-election- Let’s hope we never find out!

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from tom warner wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

All of this commentary, ranging from intelligent to idiotic, perfectly illustrates why it may be a bad idea to bring up politics in the Gun Nut. It has no positive result, changes no ones mind, and accomplishes nothing accept depressing me.

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from ITHACASXS wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Clay, it wasn't the Viet Cong that captured John McCain. the VC were the communist guerrillas in South Vietnam. McCain was pulled from the lake by North Vietnamese civilians and turned over to the North Vietnamese officials. Believe it or not, though both were fighting Americans, there was a difference between the Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese regular army known as the NVA.

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from scratchgolf72 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

im sorry, but everyone here voting for obama based strictly off the fact that he wont drill on public lands is an idiot. have fun trying to hunt when obama melts your guns, you have no job, and the united states looks like greece. ROMNEY/RYAN 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ive said it before and ill say it again. id rather hunt next to an oil well then not be able to hunt at all. obamas a loose cannon waiting to be unleashed in a second term.

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from firedog11 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I didn't have time to read all the posts from everyone completely. I skimmed through all. Many good comments and I won't presume to say who I will vote for will fix all the problems of the country, I think society needs a deeper change spiritual wise than what one person can do though that person can encourage and lead the poeple of this country into following the Documents that spell out our freedom. Two things about President Jughead, the guy is a narcissist who sees himself as a prophet (!) and it is all about him. Second, in the 2nd debate and a lot of people missed this, he alluded to banning handguns when he said that the killings in Chicago are not done with AK47s but with Saturday night specials and he will get rid of those. Now I haven't heard that term in years and all of a sudden it pops up in the debate. That was a planned message to the Brady bunch that if elected that a gun ban is coming by Executive order.

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from MReeder wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Rocaphilla,
Personally, the idea that Obama would be the most rightward candidate on any Canadian ticket offers me little comfort. America, thank God, is not Canada, and most Americans take a different view of things than Canadians do, just as our ancestors took a different view of the proper course to take regarding England.
Our Second Amendment was never about hunting or even primarily about protection of hearth and home. It was intended to be the ultimate guarantee against tyranny, as the Federalist Papers and the arguments of our founders make abundantly plain.
Nor is it necessary to place Mr. Obama's socialist tendencies in parenthesis. His many comments on the subject before taking office and his actions while in it make it abundantly clear that his preferred model leans more toward socialism than free markets, although his actions and words have to account for most Americans'
antipathy to the very idea of socialism. As an Illinois legislator, Obama solicited and ran with the endorsement of the New Party, which was an offspring of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America. His autobiography refers to his seeking out Marxist professors in college and his many remarks about redistribution of income underscore his rather obvious beliefs. While Obamacare is not socialized medicine in its purest, distilled form, it is the closest Obama and his supporters felt they could come under current political circumstances, and they themselves have said that it is only a first, necessary step toward nationalized health care. In fact, Democrat politicians routinely share consultants, pollsters and other campaign operatives with many of Europe's democratic-socialist parties and frequently attend the same conferences. Bottomline, there is not a dime's worth of ideological difference between them.
As for what led to America's lingering economic problems, there can be no doubt that both parties have played a role in enlarging government power and swelling government spending. However, the primary cause of the 2008 economic collapse was the inability of borrowers to pay back mortgage loans that the federal government had forced lenders to grant them; plus, the enormous burden that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had taken on in subsidizing those loans. This was the "sub-prime" lending market, which the Clinton administration bragged about creating, and it had nothing to do with Wall Street. In fact, its actual roots had begun earlier, when groups like ACORN, which gave Obama one of his few actual jobs, protested against banks supposedly "red-lining" minority lenders and pushed legislation requiring loans be issued to unqualified borrowers. I recall watching one of the TV housing shows with my wife in the late 90s and wondering how a waitress and a male nurse could afford a $1-million dollar home. I got on the computer, did a little research, and told her an hour or two later that there was going to be a great wave of bankruptcies that would roll out of California and sweep across the country; that it wasn't a matter of if, but when, and that when it happened it was going to be really, really bad.
So in that sense, Mr. Obama and people like Sen. Chris Dodd and Rep. Barney Frank did indeed help create the conditions that led to the collapse; a collapse they erroneously blame on free markets and cynically continue trying to exploit.
As for the deficit, that is primarily due to the spiraling costs of entitlements, and the last time I checked virtually all of those programs were proposed and passed by Democratic Presidents. LBJ, incidentally, insisted that Medicare would never cost more than about a billion dollars a year. If only there really was such a thing as a free lunch...

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from RipperIII wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Romney is not my choice for President,...but he is the only viable choice this time around.

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from DSMbirddog wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I think you have pretty much covered it. It is once again the lesser of two evils in my book. I would call Romney an unknown at this time since he is running for office and takes the popular position if at all possible. If he is elected we will then learn if our choice was a wise one. After four years of Barack Obama I know he is not willing or capable of trying to solve the problems of our nation.

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from hawndog wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

The problem I have, is that I do not want to vote for anyone that is crazy enough to want the job.
Maybe the first requirement for president is that he is someone that does not want the job. LOL, Just pick somebody off the street randomly, and impress them into office. Caint happen, but that has to make you think.

I don't like Romney; the only thing he stands for is votes, but Obama has proven that he cannot handle the job. I guess I will have to "hold my nose" at the poll and hope Romney will be a good change.

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from Walt Smith wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

How much you want to bet that when Obama loses the election that will be Bush's fault too!

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from crm3006 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Alas and alack, Sh---y Mitty seems to be the lesser of the evils presented. Obummer is a known factor, and has promised the Brady Bunch that they are working on "gun control" "under the radar." My very own insignificant and humble opinion is that without worries about re-election, the Capon-in-Chief would do his best to totally disarm the American public, for fear of a national uprising. I would cite as my reasons his embracing the U.N. Small Arms Treaty, Fast and Furious, the gang of thugs and anti-gunners who surround him,his previous voting record, and his unconstitutional registration decree in several states.
Mitt, on the other hand, will inherit such a mess that any thoughts of gun control will be far, far off his radar. The economy is in the crapper, Mid-East has gone to hell, Congress, as previously stated, don't know a 'coon track from a cow pie, and will argue with a blue-jay. (The jaybird is the one talking sense. "Thief, Thief, Thief.)
Therefore, I must hold my nose, and vote for Mitt. Four more years of the current Capon-in Chief is unthinkable.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

David your pretty much in the 9 ring with a few in the 10, I’ll do the spotters job and zero in more. When Amtrak's Sunset Limited derailed near Palo Verde, Arizona on Southern Pacific Railroad tracks derailed, I got a chance while working with the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Department get up close and a bit personnel with the FBI Agents on scene. Hunting critters and knowing who and what to expect in the area I had knowledge of. They confirmed my suspicions of not only small arms and ammunition going south but bigger stuff coming north like the real version of the AK 47 Kalashnikov. T that time no explosives were said; now I’m hearing chatter there is including RPG’s (needs to be verified). As for Obama, I do know Clinton tried to push a Gun Ban during his term but couldn’t get one Marine General to back him, told him something like “HELL TO THE NO!” Well time has passed and I’m absolutely convinced that the Obama Administration knew about Fast & Furious and tried to springboard off the death and carnage on our southern border to promote his UN Gun Ban, but Holder and the ATF got busted. Bottom line, if he gets a second term, you can bet he will do an end run around the Constitution and Congress and implement the UN Ban by executive order or such.

When freedom shivers in the cold shadow of true peril, it is always the patriots who first hear the call. When loss of liberty is looming, as it is now, the siren sounds first in freedom's vanguard. Charlton Heston (October 4, 1923 - April 5, 2008)

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from O Garcia wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

ITHACASXS,

that's the problem with Nam, most people still think the US lost the war to AK-toting peasants wearing palm leaf hats and sandals cut out of rubber tires, aka the Vietcong. The Vietcong ceased to be a major military force after their defeat at the 1968 Tet Offensive (which is also being viewed as a moral victory for them by the media). After that, they were reduced to purely guerrilla action. The US pulled out in 1973. The NVA, North Vietnam's professional, uniformed, heavily-armed army, was what took Saigon in 1975.

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from elmer f. wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

what"We The People" are left with from the original intent of our founding fathers is a totally out of control beast, called the federal government. it has very little resemblance to what they originally envisioned for this country. all of the elections are fixed, meaning that any normal citizen, could never even run for a high ranking elected position. the people that are nominated, have years and years of track records that prove they have sold their souls to the political machine. the government does not work for the people. it has its own agenda, which has very little to do with the American people. we simply get to choose which criminal gets to call the shots. oh, and of course, PAY FOR ALL OF IT. our congress and senate, are simply places where career criminals go, to collect millions in bribes, which go to off shore bank accounts, so the American people can not see how much money is changing hands via the lobbyists. all in all, very little will change from the results of any future election. they are going to keep running the country into the ground, leaving us to pay for it. when the entire world has figured out, that there is no possible way for us to ever pay back all the money the criminals in Washington d/c/ have borrowed. then the smelly stuff is going to really hit the fan. and unfortunately, that is what it will take for anything to really happen. mean while, our gun "rights", will be thrown around like a pinball in a pinball machine. i am not sure when it came about that politicians thought they could "interpret" The Constitution. but since they got away with it the first time, it will never, ever, stop. to me, the most pathetic thing happens on the day they are sworn in to office. every single one swears to defend The Constitutions against all enemies. and they are the biggest enemy it will ever face.

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from HeidelbergJaeger wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Here's my take:

Obama's cabinet members recorded statements stand for themselves. Remember, its not just Obama that is up for reelection. His entire cabinet is full of misdirection and smoke/mirrors. Don't believe me? look below

Janet Napolitano Secretary of DHS: "our borders are more secure than ever before". Coming from the former Governor of the state which has since instituted the most stringent immigration laws in the nation.

Eric Holder, Attorney General, Dept of Justice “What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that’s not cool, that it’s not acceptable, it’s not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we changed our attitudes about cigarettes.“

Timothy Geithner, Secretary of the Treasury: On Dec. 5, Obama's transition team told Finance Committee staff that Geithner hadn't paid social security or self-employment taxes on income received from the International Monetary Fund from 2001 to 2004, the report says. Three years ago, the IRS audited Geithner for tax years 2003 and 2004, which resulted in him paying back taxes and interest--but no penalties--totaling $16,732. However, Geithner voluntarily amended his 2001 and 2002 returns only after Obama expressed interest in nominating him to the Treasury post. The total bill this time: $25,970.

Katherine Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services: "It's hugely important to make sure that we re-elect the president and elect a Democratic governor here in North Carolina,". Additional comments were determined by the US Office of Special Council that the comments violated the Hatch Act, which bars federal employees from using their official position to sway an election, according to the agency.

Erik Shinseki, Secretary of Veterans Affairs: An Office of Inspector General report, found $6.1 million spent on two weeklong conferences at the Orlando Marriott World Center Golf and Spa Resort, held in July and August 2011, with about $762,00 being on “unauthorized,” “unnecessary” or “wasteful” expenses, according to the report. While our service members and veterans languish in squalid conditions of VA hospitals around the nation.

For those of you that think this election is just about guns, do yourself a favor and see who's on Obama's starting line up. I think you'll want to broaden your horizons to see that there may only be one alternative, but its better than the last 4 years.

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from davidpetzal wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

To Hermit Crab: I am indeed a great, witty outdoor writer and do have a soapbox, and I sympathize with you and the others that we should have to pick at this festering sore. However, if we are not political, we are not going to be shooters and gun owners either. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that people aren't after you. Also, no one said anything to me about writing this thread.

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from 007 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Ok, deal me into this game. Openureyes, I for one am sick and tired of being labeled a racist because I plan to vote for a caucasian WHO FOR THE MOST PART MIRRORS MY BELIEFS. I don't care if the president is black, white, pink, or green as long as he/she is pro-life, does not cater to the homosexual marriage crowd, is pro 2nd amendment (gasp!), doesn't expect me to pay for the health care of those who are too lazy to work, and has a solid plan for the economy. Obama meet those requirements? As to the supreme court standing up for us, everybody remember Obamacare? Also, as Michman points out, the next president will likely appoint several more justices. How would you like to learn to say supreme court justice Eric Holder? I'm sick of liberals hiding behind race because they can't defend their candidate's pathetic record, sick of this administration's lack of a foreign policy and muslim leanings (sacraficing our ambassador ring a bell?), sick of executive orders that undermine the whole process, and most of all I'm sick of folks voting party, regardless of who the candidate is. We need to look at the big picture and the one that the current president paints quite frankly scares me to no end.

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from ITHACASXS wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

While I take solace in All-Mighty God, I'm also encouraged by the grass-rooted way the tea-party bunch went after the GOP when they were straying from conservative thought. I believe if Mr. Romney strays from that, they (Cons, Tea-folks, gun-owners etc.) will leave him like a cheating spouse. He knows this now and best not forget it if he wins. Mr. Petzal is correct; we are in trouble anyhoo. However, coming from the same state as DP, (the western backwater part) and having lived under oppressive taxes and laws, while watching from my youth how it can destroy a once vibrant state, where many of our most beloved firearms were once but no longer manufactured (among countless other fine goods), I'm casting for Mitty. Of course, the NYS Electoral college will ignore me, but so be it.

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from RyneD wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I don't believe either of these 2 can fix the country as a whole, as far as economy goes i don't see either of them getting things back on track. I refuse to vote for either. I myself will go with third party Libertarian Gary Johnson, He favors guns and no additional regulations, he built a one-man handyman business an turned it into the largest construction company in NM that employs 1,000 people, has 2 successful terms as governor of NM, and the man climbed Mount Everest! if those aren't some of the best qualifications i don't know what is, i think it would be about time to get out of the whole democrat and republican race and add some competition and see how things change

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from O Garcia wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Black? I think it was the actor Morgan Freeman, who is from Mississippi and lives with both white and black neighbors, who said BHO is the first mixed-race president. In Morgan's words, BHO's mother is white and from Kansas, as white as white can get in America.

I saw an interview of Gore Vidal replayed on CNN after Vidal died, and he actually said McCain wasn't really a true war hero because he got shot down, and should have been reprimanded instead of honored. I almost threw a brick at my TV, except it's my TV and I don't want to spend money for its replacement. So in Vidal's estimation, any pilot who gets shot down wasted expensive government property and should be punished?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

crowman that's over the top, knock it off!

Clay Cooper

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

O Garcia

Correct me if I'm wrong, the VC wuz going to release McCain because of who his Father wuz. McCain refused to leave despite his condition and talked the VC to allow another POW to be released instead. McCain doesn't have both oars in the water, but he would have done a better job the Berry. At least we know what side McCain is on, Obama covering for Alkida terrorist attack blaming a video?

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Opinions are like elbows and a**holes - generally everybody has at least one.

FYI: The Second Amendment in the Bill Of Rights hasn't anything to do with hunting.

Obummer sees himself sitting to the left of Jesus.

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from firedog11 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Hey hermit crab that Brits thought that as did the Aussies now they have nothing.

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from firedog11 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Hey Carney Pat Paulsen and the Smothers Brothers. LOL

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I'm all in for Romney.

JJAS,
If you're paying attention you'll realize that no one in either house is working with the president becuase he isn't working with them.

Back in May the Democrat controlled Senate voted 97-0 against moving forward on the president's budget plan. I recall it did no better in the Republican house. The Senate similarly voted against advancing Ryan's plan 57-40.

The Dems as normal are opposing Republican policy and vice versa.. that's almost the point of the system. But the Dems are also opposing their presidents proposals, a sign that they both think the proposal was insane and that they hold him in contempt.

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from davidpetzal wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

To all those who want me to be Prez, I appreciate it, but I have to quote William Tecumseh Sherman:

"If nominated I will not run. If elected, I will not serve."

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from hermit crab wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

"...or he could issue an Executive Order to the ATF to dig up the 4473s of all buyers of AK-47s and then go collect said guns."

Does anybody really think Obama or anyone else would do something like this, knowing full well that nobody would give them up? Can't you legally sell a firearm to another private citizen without a 4473 form? How do they know any of those firearms are still in its original owner's possession?

When they enacted firearms bans in Australia, there was no outcry - the vast majority of people willingly gave them up. I can't even imagine any instance where this would happen here. Keeping a hunting culture in America is much more important to me than being paranoid about Obama taking away your guns...

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from MReeder wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

The last time I enthusiastically voted for President was in 1984, and it wasn't for Mondale, so I've gotten pretty used to voting for the lesser of two evils. In fact, I've only casts two enthusiastic votes for President in my lifetime, and the other was in 1980.
That having been said, DEP has it exactly right. Romney was about sixth on my list of the available eight or so alternatives and I wouldn't trust him farther than I could throw an elephant by the trunk. However, he would never introduce or push gun control legislation because it would cause a firestorm in his base and an uprising in the Republican House. Plus, Garner's observation about the value of the veep being duly noted, Ryan really is a hunter and one of the most active members of the sportsmen's caucus (his wife also founded a congressional women's shooting group) He would be a constant advocate for hunters and other gun owners.
Biden is the most virulently anti-gun politician outside Bloomberg, and back when Obama was an Illinois legislator and unrestrained by nervous congressional Democrats and national political considerations, he pushed legislation that would have shut down every gun shop in his state. While he hasn't introduced any antigun legislation as President, he has appointed anti-hunting people to fish and wildlife and anti-gun people to the Justice Dept. and other agencies, and has taken a bunch of administration actions that signal his true intentions, even as they fly under the radar. That is the real danger for hunters and shooters in a second Obama term; not so much what he might get through congress, but what he would be able to accomplish by executive order and judicial and administrative appointments. His comments on “weapons used by soldiers” is telling.
I disagree with DEP only in thinking that our other problems can be, if not totally fixed, at least better addressed by Romney than Obama. People forget how quickly things turned around after Reagan was elected, when our economy and world standing were in fact a lot worse than they are now. I agree with Reagan that there's nothing the American people can't accomplish if government will just get off their backs and out of the way, and a genuinely growing economy would cure a lot of what ails us. Nor am I surprised that a European-lite approach to governing and economics has produced the same ruinous results that we see in the democratic-socialist run countries in Europe. Others will disagree and that's fine. But there can be no question that gun owners will be in for a long and bumpy ride if Obama has four more years to govern without having to worry about re-election.

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from hawndog wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Dcast, you make a strong argument. except for the fact that, Romney is no better. A vote for Romney is a vote for the continued BS.

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from MReeder wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

CervusCanadensis,
You are right that the repeal of the repeal of Glass-Steagall was a contributing factor to the financial meltdown. But you are wrong if you are blaming that on Bush. Bill Clinton signed that repeal into law. Facts are stubborn little things, aren't they?
I am now officially done, and moving on.

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from MICHMAN wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I like America and I get a strong sense that Romney likes America. BHO has spent the last 4 yrs. apologizing to other countries about America and poclaiming to the world that America is "no longer a Christian nation" while sympathizing with Muslims at every given opportunity. Obama's insolence towards Isreal, is alarming. His narrcisism is downright scary.

America is a country that loves its guns, hence a entire blog designated on the topic. Our neighbors in Canada have already lost the right to possess a handgun and people still think that this can't happen here in the USA. Now lets look at the NRA. The NRA fights for the rights of gun owners and they proclaim that Romney is the better choice of the two on this topic. Look at the leaders of our various sportsman organizations. They all support Romney.

Obviously guns are not the only issue but I for one side with Romney over BHO on the other important issues as well. I would like a proven business leader to lead our country during the tough economic times rather than someone who has virtually no experience prior to being president. This elected position has not went well for the former community organizer as is proof from the fact that his campaign has not focused on any accomplishments. BHO's campaign has primarily focused on discrediting Romney. If it were not for the fact that Obama has provided an incredible amount of entitlement programs than he wouldn't even have a chance for re-election. Small business's have sufferred do to the prolonged extensions on unemployment and the fact that those seeking entitlements have discovered that they can now "make" more $ by not working!

The list goes on and on, I vote for Romney.

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from chiefbuck wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Our national priority should be national defense. To assure that it can be done we need a viable, improving economy. The last four years prove beyond any doubt that the present occupant of the White House has other priorities. Gun control is a dream of liberals, Governor Romney is a very bright, well educated guy. He had no problem releasing his college transcripts, being that he has a law degree from Harvard in addition to his MBA and 25 years of business experience.
I wrote him asking about his position on gun control, he responded that he has no changes planned. He would be foolish to do so and turn his back on his vast support in our hunting and firearms community. He is not a fool but one who is not easily fooled either.
I'm an old retired vet who has followed politics for over fifty years and served in Washington DC during the Clinton years. I also was one who voluntarily returned my FFL during that time. I worked within walking distance of 1600 Pa Ave and saw the actions of the Clinton Administration up close, actually knew people who worked in the peoples house. I urge each of you to support Governor Romney in order to avert a disaster of monumental proportions. We might last through another four years of President Obama, but based on the last four years, why would anyone want to take a chance?

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from oldmotorcop wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

"In 2004, when he was governor of Massachusetts, Romney signed a state ban on assault weapons — such as the AR-15 allegedly used by James Holmes in Colorado — shortly before a federal ban on the guns expired."

“These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense,” Romney said at the time. “They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”

Asked by interviewer Brian Williams whether he stood by those words today, Romney deflected that question. He acknowledged signing a law banning assault weapons and added: “It was a continuation of prior legislation, and it was backed both by the Second Amendment advocates, like myself, and those that wanted to restrict gun rights because it was a compromise. Both sides got some things improved in the laws as they existed.”

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from jsschaeffer wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

So Obama is just lurking for that second term when he takes away all our guns. Show me some evidence of this. You can't because there isn't any. He has no background as a sportsman, but his appointees have a good track record of science-based resource management. Romney's plans for public land horrify me, and my guns visit public land often because it is the only place I have to hunt.

In Michigan, gun rights issues helped lead to a Republican majority in our legislature, and one of the first things they did was put a cap on State acquisition of any public lands, unless an equivalent acreage was sold. Funny how all the lands being considered for sale are public hunting lands that will be going to their friends in the logging and mining industry. And one of the pinheads that voted for the cap had the audacity to send out a little mail flyer about his great respect for hunting as a Michigan tradition and how important it was for maintaining family values.

I view "Obama will take away our guns" as an imaginary fear, while environmental destruction at the hands of Romney is real. I am voting for Obama. Again. As long as Hunters use a public pro-gun stance as litmus test for candidates, we will lose ground in every other way imaginable. And some ways that are unimaginable.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Hey Openureyes, I want you to take you 20 arces and redistribute it to the illegals. gays and abortionists you mentioned above....different when they're taking your stuff for -redistribution, eh? LOL
There are 6 Trillion reasons why Obama/Biden are crooked. Forget the fact that Biden's Brother's Company just got billions top rebuild Iraq (amazing for a guy that didn't have those skills, eh?) or the Solydras or even Michelle Obama getting her pay doubled at the Hospital she worked at after her husband became Senator and got her employer Millions in Federal Taxpayer dollars. That's right, Obama who has never risked one nickel of his OWN mony to create a job,and somehow made 10 million last year when his Presidential check is about $350K (plus tax free perks). Not bad for a neighborhood organizer, heh?
Funny...a Hook and Bullet Magazine supports the NRA, the 2nd Amendment and someone who isn't trying to put them out of business and all youis refer to Gays, women getting abortions and people here illegally. What a shock.Hey, I never noticed any of them fighting for the 2nd, the bloodsports or at a DU, TU, etc...meeting.
So do they assign you guys to different Websites,or do you get to pick your own.
There are 6 Trillion reasons not to vote for these clowns...one is the fear that they'll keep doing what their doing.
I'm going with the guy who spends HIS money to create jobs and a fellow Sportsman.

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from MICHMAN wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

In the next four years the President will more than likely appoint multiple Supreme Court Justices. These are people who carry agneda's; pro or anti-gun. Which candidate do think is more likey appoint a pro-gun justice? Once again, I think Romney.

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from jjas wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

As was pointed out by Mr. Petzal...Congress is worthless. The Republicans won't work with Obama and the Democrats won't work with Romney. And what do we do about it? We argue amongst each other and pretend that one candidate or the other will make a difference. On top of that, we keep re-electing these toads and expect a different result....

As far as new gun control laws go...who knows what will happen, but realistically it would be easier for the gun haters to go after the places people can shoot and hunt and the ammo that goes in the firearms than the firearms themselves. I look for some "do gooder" to pass legislation that outlaws lead completely and raises taxes on ammo to the point that it makes the taxes cigarettes appear to be cheap.

Think it can't happen? Think again.

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from Jerry A. wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Btw, I'm going to vote fir Romney, but wish there was a better alternative.

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from Amflyer wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Jeff Cooper once commented on a earlier election too similar in cast...he called the available choices "The evil of two lessers."

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from hawndog wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I might vote Libetarian instead. I know that he won't win, but it is a vote againts the corrupt two party system.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Nice Job, DCast.

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from GregMc wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Obama signed one gun bill in the last 4 years and it created more gun freedom by allowing guns in National Parks.
On the other hand, Romney and Ryan have both said on the record that they want to sell public lands, where many of us hunt.
Dave, as a self proclaimed gun nut, maybe your choice is Romney. For me, a hunter and angler, I'd rather see public lands in public hands and avoid the sale of our children's forest and plain to the rich and privileged.
As far as paranoia over a second term, I'll place my bets on the evidence and not buy into the fear mongering of the NRA.

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from smokeyskid wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

" Obama could do that again, or he could issue an Executive Order to the ATF to dig up the 4473s of all buyers of AK-47s and then go collect said guns." What about the black helicopters, secret concentration camps and One World Government agenda. Aren't those part of the package?

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from bruisedsausage wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I'm going to write in David E. Petzal =)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

hermit crab better rethink that one through

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Hermit Crab - wake up and get your head out of your...shell!

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from redfishunter wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Those of you who are voting for a third party or not voting might as well be voting for Barrack Hussein Obama. I agree that the whole Democrat/Republican split is a bunch of BS, but that's the way it is. This is a close race, and while Romney is a typical buffoon politician, he's still better than Obama.

And to quote Jamesti: Obama eats dog.

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from MICHMAN wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

This past year I drove from Michigan to Colorado and there was only one state that I couldn't conceal carry in, and that was Obama's Illinois. Given a 2nd term, he will surely go after our guns. Or have a CZAR come for them!

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from Zermoid wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I am holding my nose and voting straight Republican this time around. I don't usually do that, altho I'm registered as Republican i usually vote for some of each, depending on what the canidates stand for, there is no real choice this year, you either vote for obummer and the dumbascraps or against them. I have to vote against them.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Do the obummer supporters here really want someone in the White House who bows to a Saudi king?

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from HeidelbergJaeger wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

kudukid- don't forget Obama bowed to following:

the Japanese emperor Akihito, (MacArthur is turning over in his grave)

Chinese Premier Hu Jintao

Ukranian President Yuschenko

more to follow I am sure...

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

MReeder:
Thanks for the most thoughtful and accurate posting so far!

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from hawndog wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Rocaphilla, you are right that many of the bush policys put us into this mess. He spent like a drunken sailor, and run the debt up. Obama's "fix" has been to spend more.

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from Trapper Vic wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Romney would be ahead by a landslide if he could keep his foot out of his mouth. 47% on the dole, binders full of women,hiring more teachers is a union undermine, and if the 12 million new jobs he promise are $100,000. to balance the buget then I closing my business and be the first in line! Truth is we can not let the presidency, house and senate be controled by 1 party. I work my *ss off everyday to stay in business and pay my taxes. I'll just be happy when this crap is all over.In the future we have to stop superpacs from dumping milliions into politics. Sooner or later they will be buying the office not getting elected to it. (lobyists - another horror story)

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from Clink83 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Funny, out of all the comments only a canadian has a decent perspective on US politics.

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from baconboy206 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

GARY JOHNSON 2012- LIBERTARIAN PARTY

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from MReeder wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

CervusCanadensis,
Happy to know you're a Canadian patriot. Just don't knock Americans (and especially Texans) for feeling the same way about our country and our traditions, which have very little to do with yours; and understand that we approach things from a very different place.
Just a couple of quick rejoinders, since I would much rather be talking about guns and hunting and my Brit is whining to be walked.
One, there is nothing "humanitarian" or charitable about government coercion. Charity is an act of individual giving; redistribution, in whatever guise, is putting a gun to someone's head, demanding their money and then sharing it with an accomplice.
Also, it is very true that simply associating with socialists and Marxists does not a Marxist or a socialist make. But a lifetime of such alliances does provide some insight. Long after college, Obama remained a favorite visitor/speaker at various Democratic Socialists of American gatherings -- information I got not from Fox News, but from archive's available on the DSA's webpage. Here's something else: the U.S. Senate has one member honest enough to openly proclaim himself a socialist, as opposed to the dozens of others who disguise that fact. I refer to Bernie Sanders of VT, a proud socialist and Independent who caucuses with the Democrats. When they were in the senate together, Obama consistently voted to Sanders' left. That scorecard was compiled by the Americans for Democratic Action, which is one of the oldest and most respectable left/liberal/progressive organizations in the U.S. Not only was Obama's voting record to the left of the only honest socialist in the senate; it was to the left of every other senator. You can't beat 100-percent.
Finally, I wish Adam Smith's invisible hand still guided the U.S. economy, but the truth is that the heavy hand of government regulation, confiscatory tax policies, corporate welfare and abrogation of established contract law (see Government Motors for the last two) has distorted the market beyond recognition. It is a heck of a note when the former USSR has a flat tax and we don't.
Finally (and I DO MEAN FINALLY on this subject)I just wanted to thank Kudukid for the kind words and encouragment. However, when it comes to running for office I echo DEP's Shermanesque position. I have no desire to become what I generally despise.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Since it's election season, one would expect the candidates to be called all sorts of things. So be it.

What is disconcerting and sad is the only ones referring to others in this blog as "assinine", "stupid" or "moron" are the liberals and Democrats when referring to those with whom they disagree. Don't believe it then read the back comments.

BTW, this is the norm!

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

MReeder:

Excellent for the third time!

I would argue one small point...regarding Government Motors; it was not so much corporate welfare as it was a transfer of ownership to the UAW at investors expense and paid for by the American taxpayer.

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from Constant Gardener wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I'd have thought that the poison that poured out in response to Petzal's ruminations on the Trayvon Martin shooting would have put an end to him predictably stirring passions. In a country this polarized, everyone is guaranteed to find something at which to take offense in these comments. Please, Petzal, cut it out.

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from rock rat wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Meanwhile at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave a lonely figure paces on a balcony while enjoying a surreptitious cigarette. The phone rings from the Attorney General of the United States.

Barack Hussein Obama: Wuzzup Eric?
Eric Holder: It's that Petzal Guy at Field and Stream
BHO: Petzl? What? Dude, I'm not a climber.
EH: NO! Not Petzl, Petzal the old gun nut guy at F+S
BHO: What the heck's he want? Don't they have a place for old toothless gunnies?
EH: He's endorsing Mittens the gun grabber. We are set to lose the ultra rich worshippers of five figure never used engraved rifle cohort of voters!
BHO: Oh Noez! What's to be done?
EH: We could call congress back for a special session to legalize all full autos and require every house to have twenty guns.
BHO: Fraid even that wouldn't do it legal eagle.
EH: What does he want?
BHO: It aint guns dude, folks like him exist on capital gains, not good enough to pay less than burger flippers gotta reduce it to zero.
EH: Maybe we'll lose the geriatric gotta spend at least 10K on a gun crowd!
BHO: We got Westchester county locked up already, those electoral votes are ours.
EH: Sleep tight
BHO: Later dude.

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from hawndog wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

oh I found another;

from kudukid wrote 13 hours 40 min ago

Hermit Crab - wake up and get your head out of your...shell!

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from Dcast wrote 10 hours 35 min ago

KYbill, Way to go man! You show them idiots who's boss! You two are so stupid I'm voting for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson because they are true constitutionalists.

Oh Lord if some people had half a brain they'd be dangerous, but I guess thats why you gave them just enough to make it through life!

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I was simply pointing out a flawed statment. This is the reason I did not get specific the first time. nobody else wants to reaad the same post again. but in this case it seems to be neccasary. Sorry to everyone else reading this.

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from MReeder wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Kudukid,
You are correct about GM. That was simply a government takeover (I believe that qualifies as actual socialism under the classical definition).
However, all of the green energy subsidies qualify under the heading of corporate welfare. The worst thing about the government directly investing in actual companies of any kind is that someone with what may a better idea and product is forced to compete against companies that have the government backing them up. That's why truly big corporations have no objection to heavy-handed regulation. They can afford the lawyers, accountants and lobbyists necessary to live with it; while their smaller competitors cannot. All for the good of the consumer of course...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

dws

you say "need to work on a write in vote for Colin Powell/Norman Schwarzkopf. Lets save America?"

Colin Powell indorsed Obama who helped to get us into this mess!

(head bangs keyboard!)

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Kudukid, I can assure you that there isn't a socialist marxist bone in my body!

My comments mostly was to those voting 3rd party. Lets put it this way you come to an intersection you can go left and it takes you 20min to get home, you can go right which takes you 20 min to get home, or you can go straight which has a road closed sign posted that is the shortest route at 10min to get home. The republicans go right the democrats go left and the libertarian go straight with the closed road sign. Who gets home 1st? The only answer to the question is democrats and republicans beat the libertarian because he/she chose the road that was closed and now has to double back and choose from the road to the right or the road to the left.

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from hermit crab wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Constant Gardener:
I agree whole heartedly. Dave Petzal's a great, witty outdoors writer, but just because you have a soap box, doesn't mean you should use it (hopefully he wasn't coerced into writing such a blog post). Maybe he can blog about religion next?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Dcast let me help out here may I

“Bill Clinton is not the problem. The dismally stupid American people are the problem. It's they I fear.

Let us take comfort in the fact that majority opinion in this country has seldom pioneered greatness. It has nearly always been the minority who cherish freedom. What we are witnessing is a predictable cycle--a law of political science as every bit as unalterable as the law of gravity--as so eloquently explained by Prof. Tyler two centuries ago: that democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government, not due to any one corrupt leader, but to the rule of the masses who become dependent on government. Is it any wonder that the Founding Fathers tried to prevent democracy? Yes. We are nose diving into socialism, not because of Bill Clinton, but because of many of the people surrouding you in rush hour traffic.

It's the masses we must march against, and I can think of no better way than to vote Libertarian and abandon the Republicrats. In addition challenge every Clinton defender you know to name the three branches of the federal government and explain the function of each. When they can't (which in my experience is nearly all of them), simply dismiss them as unqualified to form a serious opinion.”
-poster “JJ”, 1999-Feb-11, from the georgiapolitics Message Board

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

yeah well pelosi and feinstein have both stated that if romney gets in as president, then they will have no problem leaving / not working for him. so i guess thats two main reasons to vote for him. besides romney has not lied yet about anything about himself. so far obama, clinton, and the secretary of defense covered the whole situation in libya up and it is now starting to make true headway. selling arms/stinger missiles to rebels who were taliban and then lying about it is a major screw up. not to mention that they blamed the anti muslim

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from Carney wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

DP: Should you take up Hermit Crab's notion of blogging on "religion", I would be happy to ghost write for you...

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from scratchgolf72 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

MReeder, thanks for finally bringing up the fact that Clinton was the one (at least in my mind) who caused the housing crisis when he made it so damn easy for people to get houses that couldnt afford them!!!!

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

His books, his writings, his votes (in Chicago as a legislator and as a Senator), his Gun Ban Vice Presidential choice, his Supreme Court appointees and his Anti Gun litnus test for them, his next Supreme appointees changing the balance, his allowing the Mexican President to come trash our Second Amendment in front of OUR Congress (while ALL the Democrats stood and cheered), his hand in Fast and Furious, Eric Holder, the fact that he is a liar, can't run the country, raped our finances and because the NRA has his number.But most of all because a second term leaves him fearless and able to to do whatever he wants.
Now list all the times Romney has devastated the countryside and poured pollutants into our water. Please be as specific as I have. ANYONE who has been a Sportsman in New England will tell you the direct opposite. In fact the two guys who FOUGHT AGAINST things like windmills IN THEIR OWN STATE of Massachusetts, were Ted Kennedy and John Kerry....BECAUSE...THEY (the energy drainers that they were on their Gore/Edwards type compounds)didn't want such things in THEIR ocean because of the view from their private beaches and in made it tough for their yachting....AND ....Michael Dukakis took our Sportsman funds (including those that were self-imposed) and tossed them into his General Welfare Fund to waste. Romney fought them on both things.
So stop drinking the Tree Hugger/Petaphile Sierra Kool Aid and ignoring the truth. I've fought polluters since the 60's, when there were real problems...., not trendy BS pablum fed to us by PETAphile cloaked enviros and Al Gore Limos with an agenda.
The Obama types who use the resource for hiking, camping, kayaking, etc...NEVER PAID IN and still don't. Don't tell me Sportsman don't fight pollution and champion nature. We were there everytime and we SPEND the money through Pittman/Robertson, Dingel/Johnson and licanse fees to keep it that way while dirty smelly tree huggers never reach into their own pockets to do a damn thing, only those in the Bloodsports do.The Urban Obama Enviros just whine and live off the nature freebie, just like they do in their little Occupy Bowel Movements.
Two things I've been able to count on as a life long Sportsman are the NRA and the fact that those in the Bloodsports will band together to save our renewable resources...and we remain the only ones with a self imposed tax to do so.
So if Romney is elected, there will be a country and countrysideto fight for. If Obama gets in again, there won't be a nickel to do anything to save the environment. Do you think Greece has the cash to save anything? Send Obama packing...he is a failed experiment. You've been hustled, he wasted our money again and again. I ain;t letting him turn MY country into Chicago or Europe.

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

tonight on fox news was an interview with the father of the navy seal who was killed over in libya. and he explained in specific detail that his son as well as two other seals that went into that building to try to save those united states ambassadors...they radioed in to the cia for support of a c-130 to come in and help. three times they were denied any help from our government specifically obama, hillary, and sec of defense. and when hillary met the father of the seal for the first time when his body came home, she stated that we will go after the people who are responsible for putting the anti-muslim video together. the deaths of those seals had nothing to do with the video. it had to do with the cover up of selling arms to the wrong people. and our president was in turkey prior to this all taking place. the man is a scumbag plain and simple and he has lied to the american people time and time again.

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

so openureyes:

you are not openly against obama's stance on illegal immigration that they are are allowed to stay here on student and work visas as long as they are not breaking the law? they are breaking the law...they are illegals by not paying taxes. or the fact that the terroristic threat that was caught by our fbi were illegal immigrants on student visas in ny city!!!

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

openureyes:

better yet what about his policy of entitlemnet? that the poorest of the poor are entitled to the same luxuries as people who ACTUALLY WORK FOR IT!!!! the man is a fool. he has no interset in protecting the middle class.

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

big difference...they are illegal immigrants. they want no part of being part of american society. when my grandparents came here, they WANTED to speak the american language. there was no ESL classes in school. ESL stands for english as a second language. it should be the first language you fool. how is it that when immigrants came here many years ago, the first stop was ellis island where they received vaccinations before entering the country. yet today getting them to a dr to be vaccinated is near impossible cause they do not want to be found. know what the number one export in this country is???? cash, good old american dollars so that their families can also illegally come here. dont pull that immigrant bull$hit, years ago people came here legally. our politicians including obama feel that they are ENTITLED to be here. if everyone of these people were documented and contributing to our society, our economy would not be in the condition it is in. they go to school for free, they medical for free, they qualify for in state college tuition, and now they are ENTITLED to get a driver's license.

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

so openureyes
you pay taxes and don't mind if you pay more? you are a fool then. why would you pay more when there are people who do not pay anything? are you that naive or is that pure stupidity on your end? or maybe you have tons of money to hand out and flat out just don't care. vote for who you want but the rest of america is getting tired of footing the bill.

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

@openureyes

Obama has done an "amazing job fixing what the last moron did"
...

Don't get me wrong, I think Bush did a pretty poor job fiscally, but please explain to me all the things Obama has fixed...Debt...UP...spending...UP...Unemployment...UP...Economic growth...Down...Gas prices...UP...Liberty...Less and less every day. Employers who have a moral objection to contraception will now have to include it in their health plans...we will all be coerced to buy a product under monetary penalty. And don't give me the Bullsh¡t that it is a tax. Shall I go on with the things Obama has screwed up? His philosophy is anti-american. Please explain to me what he has fixed.

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Umm...When did Romney say he was going to get rid of public land? Please explain this to me. I thought his plan was to allow drilling etc. more widely and give the states more power over how to deal with it...perhaps I'm confused...

Also, when has Romney spoken about unions? I don't remember him saying anything about breaking them up. (However I think right-to-work type-laws/provisions in a state's constitution not requiring or prohibiting union membership for any specific job are a very good thing...)

So, how is he going to devastate the "middle class"? (I put that in quotation marks because there is not a class system in America, and "middle income American" is a more accurate term.) Obama is the one who is the one who is devastating the economy by bad policy. Also, he is going to raise taxes, and not just on the so-called "Rich." With Obamacare coming down the pipeline, but not en force as of yet, there will be more taxes all around.

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from 007 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Regarding Obamacare, a colleague of mine who works for a rather large company told me that his company currently pays $160K per year for health care for their employees, and that if Obamacare if fully implemented that cost will go to $600K. Who do you think will absorb that hit? This administration is the greatest seller of snake oil to come along in many years.

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I never said that commerce does not need some degree of regulation. The founding fathers understood this, and therefore designated one of the powers of congress to "regulate interstate commerce."

The problem is that the government has stepped beyond simple regulation and into soft tyranny, creating solutions for problems that do not exist, such as violating the first amendment by forcing individuals to preform certain actions, such as provide for drugs they believe immoral, when contraceptives are easy to access. Another BIG part of the problem is power being consolidated into the executive branch. These bureaucracies spitting out regulations constantly is not O.K.

I also said inside of moral behavior. Certain business actions are immoral, and should be regulated, but much more of this regulation, (that which does not involve interstate commerce,) should be done at the state and local level.

The thing is that the current Chief Executive is moving far beyond what any have done before in abridging freedoms in a country that, while struggling, and had about 100 years of moving toward tyranny, was not doing nearly as bad as it is now before he took office.

Also, I think that a great part of the problem in America is it's movement further and further away from God. I believe one of the founding fathers said that A free people must remain virtuous if they are to remain free or something along those lines...

So, you believe that the country whose economic system has created so much prosperity that it's poor would be considered well-off in most other societies is composed of a bunch of jerks who are looking to screw everybody else over? Interesting...

Also, you apparently believe that the government is going to be more benevolent than those corporations (who, by the way, need customers to function,) and look out for everybody? Government is made up of imperfect people too, and government tends to become more and more power-hungry the more power it has.

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from sticky wrote 1 year 23 weeks ago

I MISS RONALD REAGAN RIP.

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from bass bomber wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I was dissapointed during the 2nd presidential debate when Romney said that full auto weapons were illegal and we didn't want them. They are hard to get and very expensive and we need them not want them.

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from dneaster3 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

⇈⇈ I'm with MaxPower ⇈⇈

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from Pathfinder1 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Hi...

I'm in complete agreement with most of you...!!

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Makersman, what we need is a President! Not a community organizer to divide this nation any further! He is a commie pinko, and many are to d@mn blind to see it! One day when America wakes from this nightmare most will come to and agreement on this!

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from Ga hunter wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Obama is a liar and has no clue how to run our country! I hope that Mitt beats him! If Obama ends up winning America as we know it will not be the same! I can't stand the fact that he can't take the blame for what he's done (our debt) and he blames everything on Bush. We need to wake up America!!

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from Jerry A. wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

It's not really an easy choice to make for either candidate. Romney might not add any detrimental gun control legislation, but may sell public lands or otherwise allow them to be exploited by corporations. Obama just stated he wanted to attempt to reinstate the assault weapons ban or worse, but likely would not allow misuse of federal lands.

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from Mark-1 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I see one guy’s platform just as implausible as the other’s. That stated what troubles me with Obama is he has no Manifesto. I’d be voting for four more years of policies that have not been working…yet. Sounds like a long hike to the Promise Land to me.

Mitt? He’s a step into Darkness, but there’s a chance he could make things work.

Gun-wise neither is our friend.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

bruisedsausage

Found out today in Arkansas, if you write in a person and that write in isn't recognized by/certified (whatever) by the Arkansas Election Board, your ballet is entirely tossed out

David for President?

Know your history good enogh, you should know how not to repeat the mistakes of yesteryears!

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from deadeyedick wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

HOW ABOUT DAVE PETZAL FOR PRES!!!!!!!! HE IS ORNERY ENOUGTH TO TELL ALL THOSE BACKWATER COUNTRIES TO KISS OUR AMERICAN A**. AND STOP THE FLOW OF MONEY TO SAME. WE CAN'T BUY FRIENDS ANYWAY. HE WILL TELL THE CHINESE TO STICK THEIR PRODUCTS WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE. GO DAVE !!!! WOULDN'T THE DEMS AND GOP HAVE A FIT???

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from Savageshot wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Has anyone pictured all those people you dont want/like guns trying to take them from those of us that do and those who go buy one anytime they talk of taking them away because its there right? not going to be pretty

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

hermit crab better rethink that one through

As for Obama, one word pops up into my mind (HUSH WAM!)

EXPENDABLE!

For Obama to achieve his goal, everyone and everything is EXPENDABLE!

Interesting to point out, an Attorney in Chicago filed a class action lawsuit on behalf of a geographical area against Bank/Banks for not approving mortgages. Of course the Banks paid for fear of being labeled and called racists. But the truth of the matter, only a few out of the group managed to stay out of Bankruptcy and losing the house. Who wuz the Attorney who knew his clientele couldn't afford the home they seeked? Glad you asked.... It wuz our dear Ol'Barack Hussein Obama!!!!

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from bruisedsausage wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

DP, we would still come out ahead!

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Have the obummer supporters here forgotten about his 33 Czars?
They would have made a Stalin/Marx ticket happy!

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from hermit crab wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

As a presidential candidate, Romney already made clear that selling public lands is an option. You lose land, you lose hunting opportunities, you lose hunters. As a presidential candidate or sitting president, Obama has never even threatened to take your guns away. That said, I'm not voting for either.

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from SL wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I know a vote for a third party candidate is considered worthless, but I sure as hell don't want to vote for either Obama or Romney. Obama could really give a crap about anything in particular, other than the notoriety of being president, while Romney has got to be the biggest lying SOB I've ever seen. I really think the country needs to start voting for third party candidates, because Republicans and Democrats have failed this country and there is absolutely NO sign that things may get better. We obviously won't get a third party candidate elected this time, but maybe there will be hope for the future? Simply not giving them any consideration will keep us where we are now, which is NOWHERE!

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from tom warner wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Rocaphilla: Well said and right on the money. Thanks for your excellent contribution. Please don't think that all Americans are as stupid as some of the commentary seen here.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

David be honest, I DO KNOW THE TRUTH!

Here's Davids sign....

www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151091113935732&set=a.117361460731.100...

(CHUCKLE)

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

MReeder gets it right once again!

My sentiments exactly if only the time to write them...being too busy trying to provide the facts to others (liberals) with their heads up their collective shells.

MReeder for president!

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from RockySquirrel wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Well Dave, thanks for bringing me down. I was in a good mood, before you let reality back into my world. You assessment is very accurate.

I will not blog anymore on the 2nd amendment and gun control. I believe in saying my peace and leaving it at that and i have said mine more than once on this site. Agree or disagree, my opinion is my opinion and I am going to vote that way.

I would like to cast my vote for Teddy Roosevelt of the BULL MOOSE party. See escaping reality again is not that hard.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

To CervusCanadensis:

You have all of the liberal/democrat talking points down to a jot and tittle.

As Ronald Reagan said, "It's not that the democrats don't know anything, it's that they know so much that's wrong."

He was so smart he changed parties.

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from hawndog wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

kudukid, you may want to read some of these post again.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Any of you hear about the alligations made against Obama today in the press? Apparently a homosexsual encounter involving cocaine while he was a junior senator??
ps-Just for sake of conversation.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

hawndog:
As usual from the left - no facts. Why not just site an example instead of enigmatic suggestions?

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from mullet wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I've had enough of that corrupt crapweasel in the White House. He's a liar and hates America.

As for issues. The economy trumps all, and Romney will be decent.

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from wisc14 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

i'm voting for teddy roosevelt

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

To ellaborate more on my claim of being more libertarian. I agree with their views other than their stance on our enemies. I am a firm believer of eye for an eye and that isn't very libertarian, and they tend to align more with the democrats on that view. 2nd thing I don't agree totally with their stance on millitary and police, however I'm starting to agree more with their stance on the police which goes into detail I really don't care or have the time to discuss, but I do support both but with fine lines on the police.

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from Mark-1 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

DP's Correct. Listen to your paranoia. God gave it to us for reason.

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from chiefbuck wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Our national priority should be national defense. To assure that it can be done we need a viable, improving economy. The last four years prove beyond any doubt that the present occupant of the White House has other priorities. Gun control is a dream of liberals, Governor Romney is a very bright, well educated guy. He had no problem releasing his college transcripts, being that he has a law degree from Harvard in addition to his MBA and 25 years of business experience.
I wrote him asking about his position on gun control, he responded that he has no changes planned. He would be foolish to do so and turn his back on his vast support in our hunting and firearms community. He is not a fool but one who is not easily fooled either.
I'm an old retired vet who has followed politics for over fifty years and served in Washington DC during the Clinton years. I also was one who voluntarily returned my FFL during that time. I worked within walking distance of 1600 Pa Ave and saw the actions of the Clinton Administration up close, actually knew people who worked in the peoples house. I urge each of you to support Governor Romney in order to avert a disaster of monumental proportions. We might last through another four years of President Obama, but based on the last four years, why would anyone want to take a chance?

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

sorry...they blamed the anti muslim video that was put out for the violence. oh obama and co decided to apologize for it on behalf of the american people when it had nothing to do with it. the man is a lying dog that needs to be voted out.

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I am so puzzled by the hunting/gun nut crowds view on the world.I am a hunter raised in the south and stay tuned into the political scene daily.It seems as though a large percentage of the gun crowd has a bad habit of conspiracy theory buy in from what is heard or read on FOX/right wing fanatical websites.Look, Obama has done less to your gun rights than that moron you voted in last time. Why would you assume with all that there is to be done he would care what you do with your guns?The second amendment is safe.You are going to be suckered into another republican, war hungry, corporate serving, administration that has nothing in common with you as you are working class and they have never worked a day in their life. Born wealthy automatically takes you out of the real world.But, you continue to let your minds be controlled by the rich who are really just stirring up social issues to play on your fears and keep you under thumb.The republicans have to keep wars going as it generates huge revenues for their buddies (Haliburton?). Don't vote for "not Obama" because of your misguided beleif that guns are in danger of being outlawed.His record in presidential office is clear, guns don't even show up on the radar.Actually, Romney has been just as anti-gun as anyone and he gets a pass now? Why? Because deep down there is something deeper that you do not like about Obama?Make sure you are looking deeper than guns and make sure you are not being lied to.Remember Bush? What did you learn? They are going to cut taxes for the rich sink the economy and no matter what the gun laws are you will be so poor you won't have the money to buy food, much less guns.

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from Greg Arnold wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Scratch...Slick Willy signed off on Glass-Steagall which had limited commercial bank securities activities and affiliations between commercial banks and securities firms. Financial commentators have stated that the repeal of the affiliation restrictions of the Glass–Steagall Act was an important cause of the late-2000s financial crisis. Wall Street investment banking firms gambled with their depositors' money that was held in affiliated commercial banks and screwed the pooch.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I love it. The radical left, never read Obama's books and his thoughts on keeping guns out of our inner cities. Yet those of us who have fought to stay free did. LOL
I guess the best example of Obama with no to get re-elected is Chicago....yes....Chicago. His most restrictive regulation to date and one of many of his failed policies. Methinks those protesting fear losing their free cell phones and handouts. Like the staraving masses in an Occupy Anything movement.

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from 99explorer wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Although I think Newt Gingrich would have been a better choice for the Republican candidate, I can live with Mitt Romney because he is more electable, and he is head and shoulders above the incumbent.

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

tonight on fox news was an interview with the father of the navy seal who was killed over in libya. and he explained in specific detail that his son as well as two other seals that went into that building to try to save those united states ambassadors...they radioed in to the cia for support of a c-130 to come in and help. three times they were denied any help from our government specifically obama, hillary, and sec of defense. and when hillary met the father of the seal for the first time when his body came home, she stated that we will go after the people who are responsible for putting the anti-muslim video together. the deaths of those seals had nothing to do with the video. it had to do with the cover up of selling arms to the wrong people. and our president was in turkey prior to this all taking place. the man is a scumbag plain and simple and he has lied to the american people time and time again.

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

You are an immigrant! My grandmother is .5 Cherokee. I have heard and read how this scene plays out. Trail of tears? Where did your people come from? When you look around and see all the fat Americans that want to sit behind a desk and call it work you will understand why immigrants are so important, they work hard and are not fat and completely lazy. This is just modernernized racism. The GOP can't be as openly biased to the other minorities anymore so they have picked new groups to hate out loud. Mexicans and homosexuals. Nice! The new racism brought to you by FOX news and the fringe right wing nut balls. GOP= rich white guys misleading the poor with social issues.

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

and your version of illegals is just mexican? nope your wrong again!!!! there are asians which are illegal (chinese and indian), hasidic jewish which are illegal. what part of the country do you live in? because in new jersey, the ILLEGALS run as rampant and your typical cockaroach. breed like crazy adn you can't get rid of them no matter how hard you try.

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

That is awesome.Hatred and anger,FOX news?I love the way you believe that all of the immigrants came through Ellis Island. Nothing like a romantic view of history.Does that also help you cope with the guilt of slavery?
Anyway,the fact is your eye is not even on the ball.Your fox news education has done its job and filled you with hatred instead of turning the mirror on yourself or maybe questioning the terrible lies that Hannity and Limbaugh spew out daily.
I do not want to argue this nonsense as it is exactly how the right has moved the insane policies forward in the first place.
Back to Romney. I just cant understand why someone would vote for him when he was so fanatically right wing in the primaries, moderate to liberal in Massachusetts, and now moderate again.HE MADE OBAMACARE LAW BEFORE OBAMA DID!!!!! Now he will repeal it?He has not been specific about anything, pro life, with stipulations, pro life all the way, now who knows? He signed anti gun bills in Mass. but now he is the poster boy for the NRA???come on, youve been duped.the guy is a puppet that will say anything to make his buddies richer.Let's face it, the Republican party is so bad that its best bet is another millionaire with no plan.Those fools in the primary were just plain scary so you boiled down the pot and now this guy whose dad was rich and wealthy enough to pave the road so he had no bumps along the way is all the party has left. Social issues are stupid.It is none of opur business what a woman does to her body! Immigration is a fly on a nats butt of our problems. George Bush cut taxes for the super wealthy and bankruped the country. Obama inherits a pile of doo and everyone expects things to just be better in 4 years?Ask anyone in the auto industry who you should vote for? WAKE UP!!!!

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from dale freeman wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Don't forget.
It is us, who voted for the men and women who put us in a out of control government.
Our voting record, the coruption, the brother against brother, did not start with O'Bummer, he just capitalized on it.
I truly fear what is about to happen in America.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I love it. Another Enviro Tree Hugger who believes it's a good idea to add 12 million plus people to our already strained resource.
Toss in millions of beater cars spewing fumes. millions of people straining our parks and renewable resources, add their waste, litter,drain,the billions we spend to keep them that should be spent elsewhere etc......
All unplanned for, all a negative return for us and all excused, because someone is x% indian and no one was supposed to come.
The Latino people are a terrific asset, most are great Americans....we are talking od invaders who came here without our permission.
So Mitt Romney is evil, because he's rich. Boy, does that sound like the old Soviet Union. So lets add millions of people who drain our Nation and attack those picking up the tab. Brilliant. It's obvious you are the "wetting his beak" in the Obamanomics world....and the Mitt's of America are carrying you. I get it TAX everyone but you. You aren't the drain on the environment, nature or the public. Those who work, pay and protect are.
You are obviously a talker, theorist and not a worker bee who gets things done. You are truely an Obamaite. Money wins in the fight to save the environment, hunter, fishermen with our self imposed taxes and regulations all know this. We were there for the fight....we didn't chain ourselves to nailed trees. We dug into our pockets and put up. You obviously don't get it. You won't until you get a job, pay the lions share or the taxes and understand, the guy with all the guns, boats and tackle (aka the rich guy), has been paying your share for everything all along.
Suddenly, Da Boys from Chicago are the saviors of guns, safety, natuer and the American way.....but a guy who earned what he has and paid more in in one year than you'll pay in a life time is evil. I love it...Dad used to have a saying about a man with a paper....never mind, kid. You wouldn't get it anyway. LMAO

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Funny,out East when we fought to bring back the Turkey, the Striper,the woodcock,the rivers, limits, our gun rights, etc....I never remember having the Obamaites of the world by my side. They were all busy fighting to protect the Union Industries spewing the garbage into rivers and filling the air with toxic smoke so Da Boys from Chicago could maintain controlwith their thuggery. Back then we were fighting for jobs, careers and service industries that had less of an impact on the enviroment. Today the Newbie Environmentalist who is suddenly wants Da Rust back as Obama promises ancient factories we can't go backwards to retrieve.
Remeber when we as a nation always won the World Super Bowl? Now we are managed by those who were cut from the team, never played and certainly haven't contributed. Is Romney the answer to everything...no. But he is a start back. Always fear the Lemmings who latch onto a Messiah....they are only there looking for direction to the freebeis. LOL :)

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Never worked? How bought 20 acres of organic farming? How bout daylight to dark? While your fat ass is walking around wal Mart looking for factory slaughtered animals I'm busting my ass to do it right. I pay plenty of taxes and don't care if I pay more. The roads I drive the parks I visit, I got no problem with paying for those. Is there waste? Of course but, one day you'll need help and it will be there for you to lean on and I trust you will use it right and move on. I don't have a problem with the rich, I have a problem with the porlitariet believing they will someday be the same. You will never touch their pot of gold. They legislate it to themselves while you are Busy "fighting" for your guns and you religious beliefs. Wake up.

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Just curious, when did Romney say that he would "Sell" federal lands? My understanding is that he would simply like the states to deal with it, along with other things currently handled by the feds which the states could do better. Show me if I'm wrong here, please.

Also...There isn't that much public land here in Oklahoma, (albeit there is some, and I don't think it's going anywhere any time soon,) and there are a lot of oil rigs/natural gas wells dotting the countryside, and none of the other hunters and fishermen that I know complain about it.

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Just curious, when did Romney say that he would "Sell" federal lands? My understanding is that he would simply like the states to deal with it, along with other things currently handled by the feds which the states could do better. Show me if I'm wrong here, please.

Also...There isn't that much public land here in Oklahoma, (albeit there is some, and I don't think it's going anywhere any time soon,) and there are a lot of oil rigs/natural gas wells dotting the countryside, and none of the other hunters and fishermen that I know complain about it.

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from Hobob wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Romney signed the MA assault weaons ban so he obviously is no friend. Actually The VP being the tie breaking vote in the Senate is worth quite a bit in this day and age. I am holding my nose and voting for Romney because he is the lesser of two evils but I could see people voting for Obama instead.

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

@Openureyes

I was simpy ranting about all the things that are going rather poorly right now. Also, I watch pretty much zero T.V. I read books and do listen to the radio...Yeah, "haters" like Mark Levin...

Anyway, I am going to challenge you, and all the Obamanites trolling this website.

Look in to what the U.S. founding fathers believed about the nature of man and what the nature of Government ought to be. E.G. if you have time, take the free online course "Constitution 101" from Hillsdale college. Then, if you like that, take the one after it, Constitution 201. If you are not at least inspired I will be very surprised. Just maybe you will open YOUR eyes.

By the way, even though as I said I do not really watch T.V., I am proud to rely on the Church and the Bible for direction on how to live my life.

Also, sorry for using the word Bull$*!t in the last post...A bit un-decent of me, even though true. I was rather riled up.

Finally, you have still not given me any specific policies that have helped us economically,,,

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Should have said, "About some of the things that are wrong and going rather poorly right now..."

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I do believe the auto bailout was a strong move. If you think of all of the people that would have been affected (other industries not directly related included) it would have been catastrophic. Obviously the call that was made on bin laden was strong and needed. Ending the Iraq war was essential.
My core belief is the job is so big and there is so much scrutiny today, no one will ever be a great president again. We are over exposed and too many far left/far right groups exist with a platform for us to focus on any success. This is a decent president that seriously inherited a pile. I think a reelection is essential because the progress in the economy is undeniable at this point. Let's stay the course and finish this recession. I just hate that social issues have misguided so many people to not see the real problems. And we really need to stop going to war and overspending on defense!

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I beg to differ on the auto bailout. Government should not be picking and choosing industries to support. The auto industry would be stronger today if they had gone through bankruptcy like everyone else.

Yes, it was a good thing that we got out of Iraq and killed bin laden.

Please, look in to the ideas of freedom that have made this country great. READ the declaration of independence, READ the constitution, READ the federalist papers. I strongly suggest that you watch the aforementioned lecture series.

Also, just as a side note, the state I live in, Oklahoma, is a state with a majority of voters registered DEMOCRAT. Last year, the only state in which EVERY county voted Republican was...OKLAHOMA!!!

Oh, yes, I forgot to mention the scandals that are not given due attention by the mainstream media...Fast and Furious for example. So poorly handled that the weapons that were intentionally sold to drug cartels and such were used to kill multiple mexicans and an American border agent!!

Also, the crony capitalist practices of this administration, such as giving millions of dollars to certain "green" energy companies that failed shortly thereafter!

Not to mention the recent lie that the attack on our embassy was caused by some video.

And I could go on...

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

So...are basic freedom and the idea of God-given equal rights for all, (including the unborn and the elderly,) a "Social issue," and therefore to be avoided?

Also, I forgot to mention that under Obamacare, we will have a board of like fifteen people deciding what is the most cost-effective way to administer healthcare...If that doesn't make you uncomfortable, I don't know what will...

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

For the record only 8% of those green companies failed.

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Perhaps, (I will have to look in to that...) but do you think that it is okay that the government to pick and choose those industries it wants to support?

Also, what do you define as "Social issues?"

What say you about Fast&Furious?

How about anti-freedom policies of this administration, e.g. the recent H.H.S. mandate regarding contraception, and compulsory purchase of healthcare under penalty of law?

How about refusing to enforce federal immigration law and his supreme court justices litigating against the state of Arizona for passing a law that mirrors Federal law?

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Oh I'm sure that company is telling the truth. We should always trust corporate America. They have never lied or screwed anyone.they Good people giving not taking. Not polluting, mistreating employees, screwing everyone for an extra tax break. Come on, it is common sense to put everyone in an insurance pool to control cost. Corporations have been doing it for a long time but, god forbid the government do it. I assume no one on here excepts Medicare, social security, public transportation, parks, etc. if you don't like the plan, get your own. Read the bill, you can keep private insurance.

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from BackRoad600 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

"Come on, it is common sense to put everyone in an insurance pool to control cost."

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I don't think you understand, openureyes. It's not all about money. (However, I think that there are MUCH more cost effective ways to do this...How about talking to some doctors when you write a plan?) We (real Americans,) believe in a little something called liberty, and that means freedom from coercion inside of moral behavior. When a government can regulate the amount of water you have in your toilet, what can they not regulate? When they can regulate what type of lightbulb that you have in your home, what can they not regulate? When they can FORCE YOU TO BUY A PRODUCT THAT YOU DO NOT DESIRE TO BUY, that product being HEALTHCARE, when they can FORCE AN EMPLOYER OR HOSPITAL TO PROVIDE CONTRACEPTIVE CARE AND ABORTIVE DRUGS CONTRARY TO THEIR CONSCIENCE, what can they not control?

Ever heard the parable of the frog that got boiled bit by bit, starting in tepid water, with somebody slowly increasing the heat? By the time the frog realized that this water was too hot, he was already dying. That is what is happening to our liberty, and one day, if Obama is reelected (and maybe even if he isn't...) you will realize that you are no longer living in an America you recognize. (Also, this isn't all Obama's fault, the over-regulation issue, but he has contributed to the problem more than anyone else.)

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I completely relate. Here is my issue. Business and individuals had that freedom and abused it. Dumped poison in the rivers, killed too many deer, used gross amounts of fertilizers, shot each other, etc. WE are the problem. Businesses would screw you for a penny if there wet no regulations. I would love to believe corporations would insure people and pay fair wages but, come on. They failed us and now there are regulations. I love freedom but, unchecked it leads to caps. Enlighten me please.

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from 007 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Openureyes, I have to wonder just how far into the real world you have ventured, by the tone of your posts. Do you think every corporation out there is out to get you? I can teach lessons in paranoia (spelling?) but you make me sound like a rank amateur. Do you self insure? How do you function without any corporate involvement? How do you support yourself? I challenge you to offer supporting facts, not opinions, for your claims of poisoning the rivers, killing too many deer, over fertilizing, etc. No matter what one does today, there is some corporate presence short of living in a cave as a hermit. As to reading the bill, have you done so? Lastly, I find it ironic that you do not trust corporate America yet you blindly following Obama like a lemming off the proverbial cliff.

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from 007 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

One last question, I just have to ask. Are you one of those Occupy Wall Street nuts?

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from 007 wrote 1 year 23 weeks ago

This may have already been touched on above, if so forgive the rerun, but Obama has simply been biding his time and working behind the scenes. Now that he would not be tied down in a 2nd term the truth starts to come out, and let's not forget the "cheap handguns in Chicago" remark. Anybody who thinks this guy has no designs on gun control is simply naive, and yes, this is from Fox News, do you really think CNN or the pro-Obama news sources would report on this?? www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/01/debate-answer-on-assault-weapons-ban...

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 23 weeks ago

I refuse to take anything seriously from an entertainment channel. It is created to entertain some and mislead most.

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from 007 wrote 1 year 23 weeks ago

As opposed to CNN, (the Clinton New Network), Al Franken, Larry King, and the liberal networks? Sure................

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 23 weeks ago

I say turn off the tv! I think NPR is obviously where news should come from along with some bbc to see ourselves through the outside worlds eyes.

As for Ronald Reagan. He was as terrible as W. leadership is so piss poor in this century that Ronald Reagan is now looked upon as a good president??? Come on, stop romantisizing a terrible president because all of the wing nuts the republicans put forth now are so bad that Reagan looks decent. He was a jackass, his mental instability rates up there with Carlton Heston. Bad actors that fooled the john Wayne era republicans. Clinton was a good president and has the stats to prove it!

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from 007 wrote 1 year 22 weeks ago

That last post pretty much proves the point. Sorry, DEP, this thread is no longer worth following. Openureyes, in the immortal words of Bill Engvall, "here's your sign". Adios.

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from texas_hunter90 wrote 1 year 22 weeks ago

to be completely honest i didn't think either candidate was truly qualified but i believe we needed to choose the lesser of two evils Romney was my choice but seeing as how everybody has the right to their own opinion my choice didn't win i pray to the good lord above that our way of life does not stay the same but gets better and in closing some of you may disagree but it is my personal belief that one of the main reasons America has not been invaded since (some of you might disagree with this being considered an invasion) the Civil war when the south invaded the northern states is our right to own firearms i believe the average American owns 3 or more firearms (might be more or less that's just a quick statistic i got from one of my magazines) and if anyone did invade us we would all fight to protect our great nation and that is what makes our civilian forces exceedingly strong i fear that if our government starts restricting us from owning certain weapons that some say were made for soldiers at war such as the AK47 and the AR15 in the state that our nation is in right now that it would make us look weak and vulnerable to the larger nations. I am sure some of you disagree if so feel free to comment i am always open to hear others points opinions just as you have heard mine

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from martinh523 wrote 1 year 21 weeks ago

I get tired of hearing people say this president is no good and this one is bad.
The economy is bad because of our house and senate.
I am not a democrat or a republican.
I have watched both sides and have read and listened to most everything each side has said and wrote including both candidates.
One of the biggest things that bothers me is that during the first 4 years of the Obama term, there were over 300 initiatives to help the economy and small business and jobs and the house shot every one of them down.
And all I read and heard was the tea party republicans and the conservative dems say to vote anything down that Obama or the liberals on both sides want to help us.
How sad is that to sink the economy and slam the middle class (which is all of us who make under $150,000 a year)
I was one of those republican Federal Forestry workers back in the day when Reagan came into office with all of his promises and all he did was can 15,000 of us.
There is not now and not anywhere in the near future a chance in us losing our guns.
They have been trying to do this scare tactic for more then 30 years.
There is no president with enough clout to take your hunting rifles away.
or most any guns.
Instead of putting so much effort into a he said she said over both republicans and democrats line of crap, why dont we all put the effort into making us a great nation as before?
Put the laws back into effect of tarrifs on products from other countries, go after these companies who have moved their businesses over seas to manufacture in other countries.
If a company moves to another country to make their goods then they are no longer an american company and should be treated as a non american company and taxed and tarrifs as an import.
There should also be no such thing as free trade.
And this crap about lowering taxes on the rich is a load of crap also.
They said this when Reagan was president and they did not create new jobs.
They have been lowering the taxes and removing regulations and labor laws for over thirty years for the rich people and their companies and they have NOT created new jobs for us nor have they raised our wages for cost of living!
All they have done with all theses tax breaks and law reductions and loss of government oversights is to take their companies overseas and hire those in those other countries then ship the products back here.
Why do we allow all of this to happen and to let big business and the rich run us into the ground?
Did you know that Mitt Romney before running for president was just as bad as Obama for gun control?
Bet you did not know that.
He changed his veiws after starting his campaign and getting that big endorsement from the NRA and some other gun clubs.
I would like the republican party go back before 1980 and become who they were and the democrats to get rid of the rich conservitives.
There should not be any rich people in politics and there should be term limits on any and all senators and representitives.
It should be evry 2 years that we vote on them and a max of 8 years like the president and theere should be a limit on age and forced retirement at 65.
And all americans should demand that all senators be arrested and removed from office for not doing their job correctly.
A senators job is to represent the people in their districts and to vote for anything that the majority in their districts vote for and not decide for them selves what they want.
They are supposed to represent what the majority wants in their districts and not what a rich person or company pays them to do! this is actually illegal of them.
God I could go on and on.
Dont take political sides for issues that dont really help us as a whole and dont listen to these rich people try to confuse us on the REAL issues of America.
Dont support any so called american company who operates out of this country or buy there supplies from foriegn countries or hires non americans.

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from tootall75 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

As a Canadian, I sympathize with the tough choice you have ahead of you. We are quite fortunate here as we had our gun registry abolished recently (with much debate on both sides) and although we have no second amendment, I, like many other fellow Canadians,am a gun nut to the core.

As far I am concerned, although neither candidate is ideal, Obama is the best choice; there is something about Romney that just doesn't sit right with me. In any case, I hope you all make the best choice and you have a prosperous 4 years; your hunting heritage is very important and I can only imagine how I would feel if that were threatened. Best of luck at the polls!!

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from Douglas wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I have viewed the process of voting for an American President as a waste of time all these long years since I turned 18, yet I still do it just because it is my right as a citizen.
This year, I had decided to not bother. Both candidates have no credentials as a leader to me. And both candidates trigger revulsion in my heart. However, Mr. Petzal, I have never met you but have developed a respect for your insight and opinions by years of following the blogs on this site. You have tipped me toward casting my vote after all. And it ain't going to be for the incumbent.
By the way, I am a devoted follower of Jesus Christ and a registered democrat.

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from tom warner wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

As a person who has been watching this sad comedy longer than most, GregMc speaks my sentiments exactly. While I am no admirer of Obama for many reasons unrelated to guns, I absolutely believe that most of the hysterical hatred spewed against Obama has to do with the color of his skin. Too many Americans are still a bunch of bigots, although they will never admit it. I'm going with Gary Johnson myself. Both parties have shown themselves to be hopeless captives of the 1%. I could never bring myself to vote for Romney. He not only has shown himself to be an a-hole, but he is the candidate of the worst gang of complete morons it has ever been my displeasure to witness in my entire life. They surely are no friends of us outdoors folk.

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from hawndog wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

A third party vote is not a vote for Obama, and it it not a wasted vote. A wasted vote, is voting for someone that you do not believe in.

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from Rocaphilla wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

office of president that your personal gun ownership, and try voting from a position other than paranoia.

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from CervusCanadensis wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

MReeder I'm glad Canada and the United States are not one and the same either, otherwise I might be party to the biggest debt in the history of mankind, and an economy on the brink of collapse. Not only that, but I would live amongst a population in which nearly 48% of the populations believes that the same policies that caused that situation would also save it. Silliness to it's core and a circus act you can wallow in down south all you like.
I'm sad to see that you think that because Democrats seek opinions from elsewhere that they are necessarily bound to those ideas, as though because they talk to politicians from Europe they are one and the same. It is entirely possible for them to hold two ideas in their heads and act on only one, as we've seen. Nowhere in the world is economic policy more driven by a commitment to free markets than in the United States. Let me assure you, from an outsider's perspective, Adam Smith's proverbial invisible hand hasn't been slapped away by the Obama administration at all. It is the sign of an intelligent mind that can encounter and consider varying opinions and positions while maintaining their own. A discussion with Marxist professors does not a Marxist make. Further to that, an idea that so many of the US populace thinks is hazardous and detrimental to their country (I speak now of Obamacare) and is derided as being corrosive to the foundation of the country seeks nothing more than to ensure that it's citizens can remain healthy. If you want to speak of corrosive ideologue tendencies, I suggest looking to the GOP and those in your own congress who oppose a humanitarian effort like Obamacare. Also, the root cause of the 2008 collapse was not the inability of people to pay back their mortgages. This was a symptom of relaxed regulation and legislation imposed upon the banks, namely the repeal of Glass-Steagall, which allowed for commercial banks to merge with investment ones. This allowed them to take huge risks that would otherwise have been against the rules. Risks like handing out mortgages to people who couldn't afford them and investing their money in risky ventures. It was an example of what happens when you take the leash off of the free-market dog and let him run rampant. And the entire world is paying for it, you guys especially. Free lunch indeed

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from dws wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

We need to work on a write in vote for Colin Powell/Norman Schwarzkopf. Lets save America.

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from wisc14 wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

dcast: your right our economy is in trouble. however a president didn't cause this mess and a president will not fix it. the president of america isn't an all powerful disctator.
hermitcrab i think you really hit the nail on the head

lots of people talking about socialism but i think an interesting point is that the hunting and fishing in this country is very socialist if you think about it. we the people own the fish and wildlife together. you can't buy fish and wildlife. thats what makes hunting and fishing in america great and why it sucks in england

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from hawndog wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

kudukid, If you think I am from the left, you dont know me. What I dont like about Romney is that he is to far left, only moving to the right to win votes.

To answer you question, I did the same thing you did and said to look back at the post, instead of calling people out. In your words "Don't believe it then read the back comments".
But, since you cannot follow your own advice I will help you.
Here are some cut and paste from above:

from Dcast wrote 10 hours 15 min ago

Hermit Crab,

"... I also share your belief that weapons that were designed for soldiers in war theaters don't belong on our streets. And so what I'm trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced. But part of it is also looking at other sources of the violence. Because frankly, in my home town of Chicago, there's an awful lot of violence and they're not using AK-47s. They're using cheap hand guns." ~ President Barack Obama October 2012 Presidential Debate

Once again only a moron would vote based on hunting and gun control! Read my last post that explains my view. By voting for neither is assinine but it is America and we have the freedom to be ASSinine!

here is another one:

from Dcast wrote 12 hours 43 min ago

For God sake people!

I'm a moron! I'm going to vote third party, Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, Alex Jones, etc... Do yourself a favor and just stay home because your vote/protest is worthless it means NOTHING! I'm a libertarian to an extent but my skull isn't mush!

I'm going to vote for Obama because he won't sell federal lands and ruin future hunting opportunities for me and my kids! If the country was 100% federal land, it wouldn't make a difference if you can't afford to buy a: hunting license, hunting tags, car, gas, electricity, water, ammunition, food, depends, golf balls, vaseline, beets, etc... Does it? This is such a lame excuse for validating your love and vote for Obama
tell the truth don't be affraid of your beliefs. I would bet my left teste that R&R will not discuss the selling of federal land once in office. That is the least of their worries. Have you been outside your cave in the last year? The economy is broken, 43 million people are dependant on government, 23 million without jobs, the Middle East is in chaos, and your worried about hunting land and what R&R might do? Jesus this country is upside down! There's a campaign commercial playing in Ohio right now that summarizes this election to a "T". Heres a link to watch it, it is an old one but all to relevant www.salon.com/2010/10/22/scary_china_ad/.

This election isn't about guns, hunting land, conservation, etc... This election is to determine the future of America! A future of poverty and dependency, or a future of freedom and individual rights! This determines the sovreignty of our nation, it determines whether Americans pull the purse strings or whether we become the laborers of other nations (A.K.A Slaves). You have a little over a week to get your heads out of your rectum and vote for DEPENDENCE or INDEPENDENCE! Make your choice, but don't come looking for a handout from the INDEPENDANT, because the punch in the face will be farm less painful than the alternative!

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I thought that since your post, and these re-post, use exactly the same words you would know where to look. I am sorry that I overestimated yor ability.

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

I lived on a cattle ranch and the right reminds me of the cattle walking to slaughter. Sean hannity and wingnut glen beck sell your hides and laugh all the way to the bank. FEAR! It is the agenda of the right but, the red stater is so wrapped up in social issues you buy in and let us fund more wars because you are scared of the black man as president. All of this aside, have you read the beliefs of Mormons? You think southern baptist are out there? How do you know what Romney is gonna do? He isn't specific about one thing. He has changed his mind so many times it should scare everyone. Obama is easy to peg. He is for the Working class and focused. oddly enough that group is made up of all of you that dislike him because of your inability to get over your prejudices. Romney is not like you and does not are about you. He will take all of your money and give it to the ultra rich. March to slaughter.

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from Carney wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I've got 2 words on this.
Pat Paulsen!

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

For God sake people!

I'm a moron! I'm going to vote third party, Gary Johnson, Ron Paul, Alex Jones, etc... Do yourself a favor and just stay home because your vote/protest is worthless it means NOTHING! I'm a libertarian to an extent but my skull isn't mush!

I'm going to vote for Obama because he won't sell federal lands and ruin future hunting opportunities for me and my kids! If the country was 100% federal land, it wouldn't make a difference if you can't afford to buy a: hunting license, hunting tags, car, gas, electricity, water, ammunition, food, depends, golf balls, vaseline, beets, etc... Does it? This is such a lame excuse for validating your love and vote for Obama
tell the truth don't be affraid of your beliefs. I would bet my left teste that R&R will not discuss the selling of federal land once in office. That is the least of their worries. Have you been outside your cave in the last year? The economy is broken, 43 million people are dependant on government, 23 million without jobs, the Middle East is in chaos, and your worried about hunting land and what R&R might do? Jesus this country is upside down! There's a campaign commercial playing in Ohio right now that summarizes this election to a "T". Heres a link to watch it, it is an old one but all to relevant www.salon.com/2010/10/22/scary_china_ad/.

This election isn't about guns, hunting land, conservation, etc... This election is to determine the future of America! A future of poverty and dependency, or a future of freedom and individual rights! This determines the sovreignty of our nation, it determines whether Americans pull the purse strings or whether we become the laborers of other nations (A.K.A Slaves). You have a little over a week to get your heads out of your rectum and vote for DEPENDENCE or INDEPENDENCE! Make your choice, but don't come looking for a handout from the INDEPENDANT, because the punch in the face will be farm less painful than the alternative!

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

KYbill, Way to go man! You show them idiots who's boss! You two are so stupid I'm voting for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson because they are true constitutionalists.

Oh Lord if some people had half a brain they'd be dangerous, but I guess thats why you gave them just enough to make it through life!

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from hermit crab wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

DCast:
"The economy is broken, 43 million people are dependant on government, 23 million without jobs, the Middle East is in chaos, and your worried about hunting land and what R&R might do?"

You're darn right I am. If the next generation lost the opportunity to go out and hunt and shoot, that generation will not hunt and shoot. If they don't hunt and shoot, they'll have no need for firearms. If they don't want any firearms, they'll be a generation of Bloombergs.

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from Rocaphilla wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

I'm going to print this comment thread and present it as evidence of the failure of the US education system. Anyone who will vote for a president based on whether or not they think their gun ownership is at risk clearly has absolutely no clue as to the gravity of the office. I tell you, the leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world has more on his mind than whether or not you can have a hunting rifle in your closet. Get over yourselves. Similarly, to those angry with Obama's apparent "socialism", know that here in Canada,a social democracy, he would be the farthest to the right on the ticket. Your political spectrum in the US has been swayed so drastically far to the right that you can't even even fathom what real socialism would be like, so stop pretending that Obama is going communist on you. Further to that, Romney recently said that he would balance the budget in 8-10 years, and yet he and all his cronies (most of you in here) ride Obama's a** for not being able to do it in four years. If that's not back-asswards logic I don't know what is. Obama can legitimately blame Bush era policies for your financial circumstances and be legitimized time and again. It was failed fiscal policy under Bush that led to the current circumstances. And while I know many of you will say "That was 4 years ago this is now, you can't call upon past history to defend yourselves today!", I want you to keep in mind that that's exactly what you do every time you reference the second amendment. Context is everything, and the past is what provides that context. Your country would be nothing without its 200+ years of history. Everything that your country is is based on what happened before today. In the same vein, everything about your current fiscal situation is based on what happened in the recent past (ie. the Bush years). Try, oh try, to see through the Fox News rhetoric, realize that there is more involved in the

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from clinchknot wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Anyone that creates the title that was posted, doesn't know basic ECONOMICS 101. And that is a fact.

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

Everyone pays taxes. Some more than others.If you purchase anything in this country, you pay taxes.Your pick for president pays less than almost anyone percentage wise.Just keep believing the crap that FOX feeds you.
Here is the thing, you can all sit on this post and cry about Obama who has done an amazing job fixing what the last moron did but, I am done because I just looked at the electoral college map, and this thing is over. Thank goodness that there are people who read books and think things through and ,carry us out of this red state mentality. I guess it will be payback for George Bush stealing an election. We will save your jobs, save your country, and let you reap the overall benefits of a democratic government. YOU ARE WELCOME.

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from openureyes wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

What kind of jackass puts gas prices on the president? Why don't you just say you are a racist? It will feel good to come out of the closet.
We would have been in a serious depression without the policies of the president. Unemployment at 8% is really good compared to the 30% we were facing. Plus at least 10% of the morons I meet shouldn't be employed anyway. Does anyone want to put the deficit on the stupid wars that we should not have fought? The war that was created to make Haliburton more money???
Enough trying to persuade people who rely on a television for education and the bible for direction in life. This is nonsense. You will now have to piss and moan for four more years because it's over. If it goes to Romney, we will be in another war with even more debt. Roosevelt, Bill Clinton saved us and now we need more democrats to do it again.

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from builder wrote 1 year 24 weeks ago

A vote for Romney will eliminate the hunting lands I use, and probably result in the loss of my union job, devastating the wages of the middle class, eliminating my extra money to buy guns, ammo, and a good many other things. There is no evidence to suggest Obama will alter course on the gun issue, his last four are the best indicator of the next four. Stick with him to protect your hunting grounds and earning power.

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from wisc14 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

both candidates are dreadful.
my vote is for obama basically because mit has run his mouth too much about not knowing what public lands are for. from everything i have read and heard romney say it seems as though he sees public land as nothing but places to extract resources and make big profits, otherwise they are meaningless to him. obama hasn't really acted one way or the other on gun ownership.

i will say this as a disclaimer: i really do not consider myself a gun nut so i lkely will vote differently than many on here. i simply am someone who loves to hunt and fish. although not a gun nut i really like this blog as it contains a lot of great shooting tips and gear reviews.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Why not a 3rd post (CHUCKLE)

If Romney wins and by the same standard used to say Obama is the first Black President, Mitt would be our first Mexican President....

I thought Clinton wuz our first Black President, well that what the Democrats said during his term in office!

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from Kybill54 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

It's not going to matter who wins"WE ARE SCREWED!!" either way.They can't fix what they have broken.The republicans won't work with a democratic president and the democrats won't work with a republican, so we loose all the way around.I intend to vote Libertarian.They don't want big Government,they will stop giving our hard earned tax dollar to countries that don't like use,and want us to live by the consitutionand leave our 2nd Amendment alone.Think long and hard on who you want as president folks.

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from stick500 wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Take a quick peek at the article right below this one on marine fisheries and see the very positive steps the Obama admin. has done for that sport and then think twice about all this usual NRA fear-mongering that we hear every 4 years. In the overall picture, I feel the DEMS have been doing much for hunters and fishermen than the GOP has for quite some time.

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from hermit crab wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

You sell off the public land, and you have the Texas-style of hunting: Pay to Play, everything's leased. If you have no place to hunt, it doesn't matter whether you have any guns or not in my mind. I'd gladly give up the right to own any AR-style gun if it meant more public access hunting land.

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from jim in nc wrote 1 year 25 weeks ago

Lots of good arguments here, but I'm still taking my chances with Obama. Gun control is a radioactive issue for any elected politician, and in any case Obama would be hamstrung by Congress and the Supremes. I'm underwhelmed by all the paranoid stuff I get (for free!) along with my NRA membership. And if the GOP runs the country, we can have all the guns we want but the land will be privatized or developed and there'll be nowhere to hunt.

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