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February 05, 2013

Are Ammo Shortages Changing Range Etiquette?

By Phil Bourjaily

Ammo, I don’t need to tell any of you, is in short supply these days. I knew that, and was still surprised the other day when a friend said “Know anyone who has some .22 rimfire ammo they want to sell? I can’t find any.”

When, ever, has there been a shortage of .22 rimfire?

With that in mind, here’s a situation for you Emily Posts out there:

I stopped at my gun club the other day and the only two other people there were a couple of members I haven’t know for long. They were shooting handguns and I went over to see what they had brought for hardware. They showed me their guns. They also told me they had been to three different stores to find four boxes of .22 LR and some .38 and 9mm.

They let me handle all the guns and showed me how the laser sight of one worked so I could try pointing it at the target. Given the shortage of ammunition I did not ask if I could actually shoot any of their guns. However, I was slightly surprised (but not offended) that never once did they say, “Want to take a few shots?”

Me, I would feel obligated to offer someone the chance to shoot a little bit, even if it pained me to do so.

Has range etiquette changed? Anyone else notice people are a little stingier when it comes to sharing ammunition these days?

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from idduckhntr wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

There isn't a 22, 9mm round in town and when you do find them they are way over priced. Found some cheap brand 38s the other day the price had gone up to $50. In Idaho Falls they were selling 500 rounds of 22s for $115 and people were paying it.

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from small game sportsman wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I ran around to three or four stores the other day looking for 9mm and couldn't find any.

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from Bluto wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

While I haven't refused to let anyone use my ammo lately, I have been more conscious of the cost of doing so. If anything I've been more thankful when people let me use theirs.

Another interesting offshoot of this shortage is how more diligent the brass rats have become. At my club it wasn't uncommon to find some once-fired rifle cases that no one wanted. These days you have to get up early if you want to find anything good in the brass box.

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from MaxPower wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I think it is making an impact on etiquette. Outside an antique, a gun with ammo no longer made or something like an MG-42 I'd expect to at least be offered (as well as offer other myself) to shoot a firearm. I usually say no to reciprocate politeness unless it's something I'm really interested in, but getting the offer is still nice and almost an unwritten law.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I was talking to Del in KS last night and we were talking about the shortages of even premium hunting bullets. Seems like it is widespread. Y'all let me know when we hit "Peak Ammo" or "Peak Guns" and I'll unload my gold mine.

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from jjas wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I've not been asked as of late, but yes...I'd let someone shoot a few rounds.

I kind of understand the shortages of .223, 9mm, and 40 S&W, but the .22lr thing I didn't expect.

I've seen bricks of cheap .22s selling for $50.00....I lucked out and found two bricks @ BassPro the other day for $22.00 per brick.

I do shot fewer rounds due to the ammo situation and will continue to do so until this mess shakes out.....

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from larson014 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

i have never heard this before, maybe b/c i usually shoot on private land, but i will never let someone i do not know shoot my guns, too much liability in it... how do you know how competent they are or how safe they are? no thanks..

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from labrador12 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Don't you have to get a federal background check before you can offer a firearm to another shooter to check out? Isn't that a felony? If the Feds don't say its OK it must be illegal, right?

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from Wolfjaw wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I wouldn't refuse a friend, however, if the intent is to shoot up a box of cartridges on my dime I encourage them to come to the range with me carrying a box of their favorite loading because of the cost. I make it clear that I'll be willing to take any unfired rounds from their box of cartridges so that they won't be tucked away forgotten and gathering dust in the tool shed.

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from AAM wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I live in south Texas and have been to walmart, the feed store and the hardware store but I have not found a single box of 22.

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from dbenear1985 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Everyone is out of ammo. I have found a few boxes of 223 9mm 38 and other calibers at walmart no 22 though. The ammo they have in stock they are limiting people to buying 3 boxes per day. I dont know about the rest of you but i didnt vote for this hope and change. Nothing this president has done has helped me in any way shape or form. My paychecks have went down. My taxes have went up. Trying to find or buy ammo has gotten alot tougher. The things i used to enjoy shooting, hunting, fishing have gotten expensive i used to spend 20-30 days at the range a year. I would hunt from september through january and fish march through october. i bet i spent 5 days at the range this last year. my hunting time has declined by 80% and fishing time by even more, I just want to say thanks Mr. Obama you have made my life so much better. My money you have taken and given to people who choose not to work who think they are entitled to anything they want and are very ungrateful for what they receive. They dont realize that everything they receive someone else has to pay for or they just dont care and i dont appreciate being forced to give up my hard earned money for these types of people. And i certainly dont appreciate how you have impacted my life. For those of you that voted for this president i hope having my money has made you happy.

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from NHshtr wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Amen dbenear1985.

I haven't seen an etiquette change - yet. I'm at the gun club range fairly frequently. If someone has a genuine interest in one of the guns I'm shooting, I'll ask if they'd like to take a few shots (while I monitor their handling of it, of course!).

Largest change is the range talk has become almost always about ammo and component availability. e.g. who has what and for how much (it not there long anyway).

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from Alan Meyers wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Fortunately I haven't felt much of the ammo shortage. Stores about where I live always have what I'm looking for on the shelves. I also don't buy ammo in bulk. I usually just grab a box or two whenever I'm in town and see a good deal. I fear the day I walk into a Farm and Fleet and they're out of .38, .22, or 9mm.

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from etexan wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Bought several bricks of .22 when a hardware closed down 25 years ago that were marked way down. Still have a couple hundred of those. Bought bulk boxes at different events every so often and almost never shot them all up so my natural hoarding instinct has resulted in a supply of rimfire ammo that outlasted the shortage from 4 years ago and will probably outlast this one, too.

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from Tom-Tom wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

On our municipal range a couple of the locals have taken to collecting all the brass from the gravel that covers the ground around the four shooting benches, even the .22 casings. About the only ammo in the local stores is shotgun field loads. Reminds you somewhat of Johnny Carson's infamous toilet paper "shortage".

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Interesting. No problems with ammo up here. I generally don't bother with the range scene. It's minus twenty up here so most other folks don't either. And I would be extremely surprised if anyone even wanted to pick up and point any of my guns if I did go to the range. My stuff is very plain-jane. Nothing novel about an old 30-06 with fixed 4x Weaver. Only once in my life did someone offer to let me shoot his gun at a range and that was a 400 Nitro double rifle. I accepted, much to my regret. Only warmed one barrel though. My brother did ask me to take a shot and verify his group when we were sighting in his rifle last fall before deer hunting. But I don't think that counts. It's something I routinely do as well if someone else is available.

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from Happy Myles wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I have just noticed huge crowds, especially on weekends, and the marked increase of those using AR type rifles. They seem to go through a lot of ammo, methodically pounding out 50 to a 100 rounds of ammo, then pack up and depart. They do not seem to be worried about a shortage of cartridges. In fact most do not even pick up their empty brass, much to the pleasure of range employees who gather and sell it. Of course, this is iSouthern California, nothing is normal here. I try to go during the week when it is somewhat less hectic. The range has several hundred would be shooters on weekends..

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from Happy Myles wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Probably should add, I shoot so much, and travel often and far to hunt, therefore I have to stay way ahead on the supply side of my ammo. Therefore I miss a lot of the peaks and valleys. Hope it stays that way. Kindest Regards

P.S.
I use a tremendous amount of 22LR position shooting. It helps me avoid hearing footsteps while practicing with my big bore rifles with their awful recoil. Have sort of a special source which so far has not failed me.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I don't think the big stores will run out of 7mm Weatherby and .300 Weatherby anytime soon. If they do, it will be a sure sign that the "End is Near".

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from schizuki wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Jeez, with all I've learned from you and Dave on The Gun Nuts, I'd feel like I owed it to you. Best gun show on TV for real-world knowledge.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Well, Happy, I can think of one person in Southern California who's normal. :-)

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from Mark-1 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I'm fussy who I let shoot my 458. Depending upon bullet, there's a bottle of Sam Adams going down range at every trigger pull.

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from RJ Arena wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Ammo is mighty scarce right now, and I do see fewer people wasting it on the range, and a lot more people picking up their brass. the only thing I can find is high premium and .30-06, still a lot of shotgun ammo out there. this past Saturday there was a gun show that people camped out waiting to go in like a "rock concert" and they were for sure not giving anything away!

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from Amflyer wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

They probably won't run out of those funny wedderby cat'ridges, but who knows what kind of financing they will have for them. What's the norm in your neck of the woods, one box for 6 months no interest?

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

romney stated that 47% of the american people won't care for what i have to say because they are too dependent on the government. these are the same people that obama cherishes and protects. F&**&K them, i am sick of giving up my hard earned rights as well as a larger portion of my paycheck to these a$$hole$. as far as ammunition goes, there is a shortage simply because the companies are not making it i the quantities that they used to. when i called 3 different companies, they told me the shipments that used to come in are no longer coming in as frequently. so my question is WHO IS MAKING THAT CALL? because as far as i am concerned, there in no assault weapons ban yet as well as any legislation that prevents me from buying any ammo online? thanks mr obama for turning our country into a true $hit hole in less than 4 years!!!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

'flyer,
Dollar down, dollar a week. Cash, buy one get one free!

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from Tim Platt wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I wish I knew, but since I am down to my last box of .40 and 9mm cartridges and prices have gone crazy and I can't even find any to replace them, I have not been to a range in three or four months.

I swear I bought an AR just because I could buy a box of 20 for $4.99... That's why I pound out at least 250 rounds when I take it to the range Happy, it's sixty bucks worth of ammo. Kinda like 30 rounds out of my Weatherby or 60 from the '06, or 60 from any pistol these days. Plus I spend $20 on gas every time I leave the house, what the heck? Who has money left over? I have a bad feeling when Obamacare kicks in I will have even less expendable income.

I used to go and shoot all my rifles, but the $8.88 boxes of .270's and .30-06's at wally world turned into $16.99 boxes so I went the .223 route. Now I can't find any of those and I am a firm believer that you must have 1,000 rounds in hand so I am staying home. Obama has put a hurt on me too dbenear 1985.

I guess I need to go check out the .22 situation. I have a couple of bricks and I think I paid $15 for them too. They were always $8.88, even for a long time after the centerfire cartridges went up.

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from mkegaffer wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Last Friday, I bought a dozen boxes of .22 CCI Stingers from Mills Fleet Farm in Germantown, WI. And I didn't clear them out, either. They've posted a sign stating that they would only raise their prices on ammo if the manufacturers did so, and it was true; I paid what I always have paid for the .22 rounds.

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from Del in KS wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Well gents if you want to do something to fight prezeedint Obomber (soon to be king) take the money you would spend on a box or 2 of ammo and join the NRA. I know, I know many guys have a complaint about the NRA. Well they are the best thing we have to fight these ba$tards on the left. If you ain't helping you are part of the problem. Only about 4 million of the 80 million or so gun owners are members.
WAM I found a few bullets today but not saying where.

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from Dbltrigger640 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

There was no one at the range yesterday. Think they were all home sleeping on their pallets of .223, waiting for the zombies.

Blaming Obama for the ammo shortage is ridiculous. He's done nothing to restrict anyone's access to guns or ammunition. It's all rumor and hearsay. Stop listening to the radio talk show hosts. Don't believe all the NRA propaganda. They're as much responsible for the ammo shortage as anything. "The sky is falling, send us money."

It's not the Dems and the liberals hoarding the .22 shells.

And if your income's gone down, you can probably blame the crash of '08. That was caused by a housing/real estate bubble and an out-of-control financial industry. And BTW that happened before O became president.

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from Bernie wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Dbtrigger640: You are out of your mind.

I long ago "Democrat-proofed" my ammo supply, buying lots of .22 rimfire, shotshells, bullets, primers and powder. That was in the late 1990s, as I remember, when some brainless East Coast Democrat was proposing legislation that would put a time limit of effectiveness on primers. I also remember a "run" on .22 ammo within the last six or eight years.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Del in KS, glad you did. You didn't raid my closet did you? I better go check my TTSX inventory!

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from Del in KS wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

WAM You'd have to have a semi-truck load for me to drive all the way to the left coast for ammo.
Found about a dozen boxes 17 hummer, 1 box 357 mag but not a single round of .22 ammo at Wally World. We do already have a few rounds in storage.

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from blevenson wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

This post doesn't have to do with the ammo shortage but I have heard that the government is going to start making it so that ammo companies make cartridges/shells that have powder that will only last for about 10 years and then it will no longer work. I find this to be deeply disturbing. Has anybody else heard about this and if so do you feel the same way?

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from Dbltrigger640 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

But Bernie, you're missing the point.

You get all worked up about anything that even gets mentioned - it instantly becomes a "proposal" - and almost always, it doesn't happen.

Don't think there are any serious proposals to limit ammo. Just ARs and high-cap magazines. That's pretty much it. Aside from universal background checks.

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from Longbeard wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

@dbltrigger640 - You seem to lack the gift of foresight. Obama's very serious concerted efforts are having a domino effect. And if you think the current proposals are all he and his minions/allies want, I think you have blinders on as well. As far as the ammo shortage goes, it seems to be a combination of low manufacturing output (why? see above) and a run on certain rounds due to public fears (again, see above). Same reason gun sales and CCW apps are way up.

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from deadly wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Not sure of the source, but sounds credible:

Status of gun industry

Attention F.B. fans: to follow will be several
IMPORTANT Info updates about the status of the gun industry currently, followed
by an INVENTORY UPDATE: We traveled to Texas for Industry meetings concerning
the shortages, here's what we were told.

Smith & Wesson-is
running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are
unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.

RUGER:
Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.

FNH: Moving
from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1. Remington-Maxed
out!

Armalite: Maxed out.

DPMS: Can't get enough parts to
produce any more product.

COLT: Production runs increasing
weekly...bottle necked by Bolt carrier's.

LWRC:Making only black
guns, running at full capacity...can't get enough gun quality steel to make
barrels.

Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are
running 30-45 days behind.

AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We
are looking at a nation wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months.
All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ of 1 BILLION rounds
produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in
line.

MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large
quantities of magpul anytime soon.

RELOADERS... ALL Remington,
Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no
extra's for reloading purposes... it could be 6-9 months before things get
caught up. Sorry for the bleak news, but now we know what to expect in the
coming months. Stay tuned, we'll keep you posted

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from deadly wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Not sure of the source, but sounds credible:

Status of gun industry

Attention F.B. fans: to follow will be several
IMPORTANT Info updates about the status of the gun industry currently, followed
by an INVENTORY UPDATE: We traveled to Texas for Industry meetings concerning
the shortages, here's what we were told.

Smith & Wesson-is
running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are
unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.

RUGER:
Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.

FNH: Moving
from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1. Remington-Maxed
out!

Armalite: Maxed out.

DPMS: Can't get enough parts to
produce any more product.

COLT: Production runs increasing
weekly...bottle necked by Bolt carrier's.

LWRC:Making only black
guns, running at full capacity...can't get enough gun quality steel to make
barrels.

Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are
running 30-45 days behind.

AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We
are looking at a nation wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months.
All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ of 1 BILLION rounds
produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in
line.

MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large
quantities of magpul anytime soon.

RELOADERS... ALL Remington,
Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no
extra's for reloading purposes... it could be 6-9 months before things get
caught up. Sorry for the bleak news, but now we know what to expect in the
coming months. Stay tuned, we'll keep you posted

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from deadly wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Sorry about the double post, sometimes the blog gets quirky when trying to post.

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from tom warner wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Del in KS: I must say that I was kind of unpleasantly surprised when you mentioned the numbers of NRA members out of the total number of gun owners. I have been a life member for over 50 years and I guess I always thought that most of us were. Dumb me! Yes, I have not always been happy with them, but I suspect that we would be minus our 2nd Amendment rights by now if it weren't for the NRA. Hey guys, ALL of you should be members!

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from SL wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

"Only about 4 million of the 80 million or so gun owners are members."

Interesting isn't it? The typical NRA member will say that the 4 million are pulling the weight for the other 76 million. But the honest truth is that the other 76 million might own guns but are not obsessed by them, or simply don't buy into the BS that the NRA spews. The NRA will NEVER have even half of American gun owners on their side, and that is the fault of the NRA and no one elses.

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from redfishunter wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

coachjike - I agree with your post, but its not that the ammo companies aren't making it. They can't make it fast enough. The government is buying hoards of ammunition. I have a close friend who works the night shift at a ammunition plant. He said they have five machines, and generally have four working around the clock making bullets and one is typically down for maintenance, but three out of the four producing machines are working on government orders. Ole Uncle Sam is hoarding up ammunition must faster than the american people.

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from redfishunter wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

And you can't help but ask why?

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from AAM wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

It is very sad what this great coutry has become.

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from tom warner wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

SL: I don't know what you base your opinion on, but my guess is that many shooters do not belong to the NRA through sheer laziness,(or cheapness) which is typical human behavior. While the NRA no doubt is responsible for a certain amount of BS, your accusation that the members are "obsessed" is unfair and untrue. Anyone familiar with the historic relationship between governments and privately held firearms owners, know that in the event of a governmental drift toward authoritarianism, (which we are currently undergoing)the immediate government instinct is to register and then deprive the citizenry of their arms. Always. Despite any criticism I might have of the NRA, I would always favor them over ANY government!
Untrustworthiness and overreach is part of government DNA, and I will never trust ours, whatever party happens to be in power. I repeat: All gun owners need a organization like the NRA, warts and all. Do you trust Washington or your state government to protect your rights? You should not! Our constitution was written with that exact opinion in mind. Sorry, this "obsessed" citizen will stick with the NRA.

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from deadeyedick wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Our range is private and the number of members is 100. The only people I let try some of my guns are the ones I know and trust. I don't give advice unless it is asked for and pretty much stay out of other members business. I'm sort of an old crudmugen like yourself. So far we have only some calibers that are in short supply, but I'm sure it will get worse. After reading this blog a few days ago I went and purchased as much ammo and reloading components as I could. Hopefully that will be enough to see me thru.

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from deadeyedick wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Our range is private and the number of members is 100. The only people I let try some of my guns are the ones I know and trust. I don't give advice unless it is asked for and pretty much stay out of other members business. I'm sort of an old crudmugen like yourself. So far we have only some calibers that are in short supply, but I'm sure it will get worse. After reading this blog a few days ago I went and purchased as much ammo and reloading components as I could. Hopefully that will be enough to see me thru.

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from deadeyedick wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

So sorry about the double post but sometimes this web page is a real pain in the patootie

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Dbltrigger640:

"Don't think there are any serious proposals to limit ammo. Just ARs and high-cap magazines. That's pretty much it. Aside from universal background checks."

That's ALL!!!

You forget that nobama said long ago that handgun ownership should be limited to police and military.

You may not remember that the drunken killer of Mary-Jo Kopechne, that wonderful supporter of our rights, at one time proposed making nunchucks, throwing stars and butterfly knives illegal! For those too young, that was t. kennedy.

Has anyone noticed that nobama and the liberals such as Dbltriggers refer to AR15s as military STYLE and that whatever they propose as restrictions on our 2nd Amendment rights are always presented as "common sense"?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Kudukid,10-4!

Every bolt action hunting rifle is "military style" and you only need to go back to 1945 to see that the majority of the world's armies were outfitted with Mouser cloned bolt guns. Go back a few more years and you will see single shot breech loading "military-style" rifles. Not too much of a liberal Obummer stretch to extract muzzleloaders as "military-style" weapons. Al sorts of those "assault" rifles used at Gettysburg....

My point is that if you give them an inch, you are in trouble down the road. Look at Britain and Australia. Even if you sportsmen of all persuasions don't agree with the NRA on all points, the NRA deserves your support and membership. NRA is the most powerful lobby standing between the government, past, present and future, and you and your firearms.

Don't think the anti's will stop at your AR's and Glocks.

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from Zermoid wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Remember the days you could go out to the gun shop and for $200 get a new gun (or 2 if you bought used) and a nice supply of ammo for them?

I went out a few days ago and got 200 rnds of M1 carbine, a pound of black powder, 2 boxes of .454 lead balls, a pound each of 296 and GreenDot, and it was OVER $200! Unreal.
Oh, and they had ONE brick of 22LR left, which they wanted $30 for, which is also why I didn't grab it, because I thought it was an outrageous price.....

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from Safado wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I too live in Southern California and I have not noticed any shortages at spoting goods type stores. I have noticed that the local gun store is limitng the amount of boxes per customer. I have noticed that there is a shortage of reloading components but factory ammo is available.

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from Marion Johnson wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

You can now obtain a life membership in NRA for only $300 vs. the usual $1000. This lasts through Feb.28. Apply only by calling 1-888-678-7894. I know it works because I did it after 40 years of annual dues.
Use some of that money you are trying to spend on ammo right now. You can check this out at Tom Gresham's Gun Talk.com.
ALSO, go to Ruger.com and click on the feature which allows you to e-mail a nice letter to any politician for whom you can vote. Put in your ZIP code and the site will select the affected politicos. You check which ones you wish to notify and sign the prepared message. The recipients WILL count the e-mails, most will reply. GO BACK AND DO THIS ONCE A WEEK UNTIL THIS FIGHT IS OVER: we must let them know we will not roll over this time. You must be aware that "UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS" means you can not give/sell one of your guns without the Govt's permission. It also means permanent registration of your arms, what they are really going for.

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from Safado wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I've said it before; Obama either directly or indirectly has been great for the firearms industry. Gun and ammo sales are through the roof, jobs in the firearms industry are up I haven't confirmed this but I would not be surprised if the stocks of firearm companies are up as well. Those of you blaming the President for ammo shortages are misinformed. Smart people saw the writing on the wall in previous shortages and stocked up. Those of you that don't have ammo and are complaining that you can't find ammo...well, you're just not smart!

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

there is a lot not being said about whether or not ammo being restricted. the news only talks about what the obama administration wants them to talk about. nothing was said about the libya incident until after the elections and romney was too scared to open his mouth. nothing was said about the senator menedez incident until after the elction and only limited info is being shared. we went from a nation of freedom to being restricted on everything. just because nothing was said on ammo restrictions does not mean that it is not occurring. the nation voted in a real scumbag, not to mention a liar, and a vampire.

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from Iklwa wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I live in the North Sound region of Western Washington and you would think the ammunition industry had closed their doors when it comes to 22 and pistol ammo. Oh yeah, you will find the odd two or three boxes of 38 wadcutters or 25ACP but, by and large, the shelves are bare. I remarked to my wife the other day that it reminded me of Cold War photos of Soviet grocery stores. The labels were there but there was no product. The Walmart attendant said “It’s been like this since the election.”
You can still find hunting rifle and shotgun ammo but no pistol or 5.56mm.

Now, go try finding large pistol primers or WW231 powder…anywhere.

Does somebody know something I should be made aware of?

And my wife says I’m a “hoarder”.

Those brightly colored boxes of my carefully hand crafted ammunition stacked next to the safe warms the cockles of my heart.

If, after writing this, will I too be put on some kind of list?
Is that a drone I hear overhead?
Now I’m wishing I had a bunker and had bought a few thousand extra primers to boot!

Or is this some bass-ackward stimulus program for the American firearms industry?

P.S. If you stop by my bench, you are more than welcome to light off a few.

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from Nyflyangler wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I can't believe no one mentioned this.

Obama is mandating ammunition that only works if you vote Democratic party.

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from Michigan Gunner wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

My friends and I have seen this sort of thing coming for 30 years. Not bragging but I won't be needing to buy any ammo for a long time. Sure, I buy some when the price is right so I'll have it for times like these. I'll be shooting mostly cast bullet handloads this summer as I have a good supply of lead, powder, and primers.

MG

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

the problem is nowadays when you bring home less, it's hard to find extra money to buy ammo! especially when food, gas, and medical is twice as much as it used to be ten years ago. oh let's not forget that nearly all of our illegal but entitled wanna be citizens get this stuff for free.

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from wisc14 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

haven't noticed but i don't own a 22 and shoot shotguns way way more than any rifle.

too bad hunters didn't cling to conservaiton, public land, and wildlife/fish habitat issues as closely as they do to their precious semi-auto rifles

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from Safado wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Iklwa/Michigan Gunner,
Amen Brothers. I never have to buy a round of factory ammo ever. If you roll your own and stock up when prices are low (like brer squirrel storing acorns during the summer) you are unaffected by the lemmings buying during a run on ammo. Just a little more time spent at the reloading bench.

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from Eddie13 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

As with anything else, people should have been slowly buying ammo for all of their firearms. Except for my M400 (100 rounds), I have at least 400 rounds of ammo each of my 3 rifles and 2 handguns and I'm not going to be part of the last minute frenzy to stockpile ammo now - that's just bad planning on your part. I was at a gun show this weekend in Colorado and Bushmaster AR-15's were going to $2700!!!! I bought my Sig Sauer M400 with scope for $900. People, calm down and wait for the frenzy to die down. Ammo will become available again, at normal prices. Either that, or save your casing and learn to re-load.

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I have to admit, one of the things I find disconcerting is the 1.2 billion rounds of ammunition DHS has purchased in the past year. I can't figure it out. They're not the military and they refuse to provide real border security, so what's it for. I was reading that during peak war operations a few years ago the DOD was using 5 million or so rounds a month. That means DHS has purchased 240 months worth of ammo in war expenditures.. for a non military agency. So the question is, if they don't deal with outside threats, and they won't stop people at the gate, what's it all for? I can't decide if it's meant to to strenthen the iron fist, or if it's meant to cause the current shortfall we're all discussing. Can their really be the theory that if they make ammo expensive or just inconvenient by garnering the lion's share of supply we'll all just hang it up. I don't think I'm particularly paranoid, but if we assume (ahem) that our government does things for a reason, what exactly would that be?

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I need an editor. For some reason my bad use of homonyms never jumps out at me until I glance up after hitting submit.

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from Safado wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Eddie13,
You are absolutely right! Everybody needs to calm down, save your money and brass. When this frenzy boils over start making serious purchases in bulk. It was during a frenzy like this that I started reloading out of frustration with the price of ammo. I haven't been held hostage to panic buying since. Now that to me is exercising your 2nd Amendment rights!

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from deerhunterrick wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Well it's like this. Who needs new gun control laws when they can cut you off before you can shoot? Limit the production of ammo and you won't be able to shoot. It's been coming for quit some time now. Even reloading equipment and supplies are very limited or over priced. Welcome to non gun control and the newly established ammo control

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

oh by the way lets arm the muslim community over in egypt but disarm the citzens (taxpayers) of the united states!!!

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from 99explorer wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I did not know that it was a breach of etiquette not to offer a stranger the use of your gun at a public range.

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Personally I never offer to let a stranger shoot my guns. I don't know them, and they don't know me. I've had people say "Go ahead, shoot a few", but I've always declined. With close friends its different, we shoot each others stuff all the time. I've even handed my rifle to a hunting buddy of mine so he could take it to the range because he was thinking about buying one. For me it's a matter of trust, if I trust you I'll let you shoot my stuff. If not, I won't offer or give permission.

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from Tim Platt wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

The range I go to is out in the country and on 27,000 acres of Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency property which is public hunting land.

I have never been there and not shot other people's guns unless I was there alone. The shooting range is like a church, you are surrounded by people who believe in the same things you do and you are automatically drawn to them. We talk to each other, talk about weapons and what we use them for, and discuss what we want to buy next. Then we offer to let the other person shoot our rifles. It is the way it has always been down here. I hope it is not changing because of the Obamanation our government has become.

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from nwild wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

The shortage is due to our fears. The lobby is too strong to let anything too drastic happen now. My fear is that the next generation won't be strong enough to look past a senseless tragedy and tell these selfrighteous elite to 'F' -off and take their social engineering to someone else's shore.

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from mdezort wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I'd be cautious about believing the "supply and demand" malarky being spread about ammo shortages. Ask yourself, "exactly which core items for the manufacturing of ammo is in short supply?" Powder, brass casing materials, lead, plastic? We can impact the demand by simply refusing to buy ammo until the price becomes reasonable again. The vast, vast majority of us shoot for sport and don't "have" to shoot until things even out again. Remember, we control demand, not the gun and ammo companies.

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from Keith Selvidge wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Other than an indoor range close by,I never go to a range.If I did I might ask to look(But not touch)a rifle or handgun,and would expect the same courtesy from others.No offense to anyone,thats just me.A few weeks ago a smalltown outdoor writer stood before a group of social elites and denounced the NRA.Declaring they were money hungry and only interested in dollars.Says he never needed an AR to hunt ducks and pheasants.We would all be better off without them and the NRA was blocking that effort.
I say we all need to stick together until this crap blows over.
The post about the status of Gun and ammo Manufacturing is great info Thanks.

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from pfin3 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

From a report I heard, Homeland Security has put in an order for something like 240 billion rounds of ammo.

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from pfin3 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

From a report I heard, Homeland Security has put in an order for something like 2.40 billion rounds of ammo.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

pfin3
Your re-post is correct.
The order is also out for napolitano to purchase 7000 AR15 machine guns. What does homeland security (DHS) need with 7000 of those?
Naturally, when nobama's folks want them they are "select -fire personal defense weapons". Ours,on the other hand, are called assault rifles even though they only fire semi-automatic.
All demonicRATS are gross hypocrites!

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from huntersboy wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

at my local gander mountain there was no 22. ammo at all!

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from HeidelbergJaeger wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I know that the Government agencies are not into sharing 5.56 with the rest of us. DHS bought up 1.6 billion rounds. Why? Why would an agency that just came into existence need that much ammo. They are preparing for something, because if you or I did that large of a purchase it would be called hoarding. When the Government does it, its called "contingency planning".

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Considering where things are today, it is hoarding by the ill-prepared. Contingency planning should have happened long ago. Just sayin'

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from Tim Platt wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Okay I went to two box type sporting goods stores and nobody had any .22's... the guy behind the counter said it was the manufacturer's fault and that they were creating a shortage just to make Obama look bad. Right, obviously he is drinking the dumbocrat kool aid.

Anyway a new shipment is coming in today but I had better be there when they come in because they sell them all in hours. And no bricks, only boxes for 50 for $2.99 and they put them up in customer service instead of with the guns because they are now considered handgun ammunition.

So much for the revolution, the peasants have no ammo...

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from IceClash wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Ironically, I live in Canada and I am having no trouble with amunition, although that may have something to do with working at a sporting goods store. I have heard that once fired military brass is being melted down instead of sold, and that is quite concerning. I am lucky that our governing party is pro gun. I dont know how you let your press get away with what he does

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from kingfish wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

WOW, it’s not the government it’s a varmint conspiracy, burying the hordes of ammo, to take over the world.
It is that way in northwest Ohio to, I even drove up north to Mich. have a rifle worked and that gun shop ammo supply didn’t look all the good and everything was double in price. Man I hope this bull doesn’t affect the fishing line industry.

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from Tyler Tidswell wrote 1 year 7 weeks ago

I have noticed people are starting to change when it comes to shooting, I dont know if it is my generation or if it is because of the shortage of ammo. Last time i was at the shooting range I had to pay to shoot other people guns because of the cost to shoot them

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from Tyler Tidswell wrote 1 year 7 weeks ago

I have noticed people are starting to change when it comes to shooting, I dont know if it is my generation or if it is because of the shortage of ammo. Last time i was at the shooting range I had to pay to shoot other people guns because of the cost to shoot them

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from Donald Goldsmith wrote 1 year 3 weeks ago

Back about 15 or so years ago when a Demagog Dema-nazi-crat spewed out his claim of imposing a $1.00 a bullet TAX on ALL AMMO I (the ant) got a glimpse of their agenda and started stocking up when K-mart had ammo on sale, especially .22 ammo as I have a plethora of .22 target/hunting guns and other calibers to unfortunately a greatly reduced amount. Now some(grasshopper)friends are wheedling me to sell them some .22 ammo at "realistic" prices because of the price and shortage currently being experienced... I feel for them but also despite my cautioning them on the Demo-Nazi-crats agenda said THAT it cannot happen here in the US of A...
Wake up people they want to take your GUNS all of them a little bite at a time but all eventually. They are a Democrat cable plotting to enslave all of us to their God knows what evil ends. Dianne Feinstein is the Devil incarnate !

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from Ross McClintock wrote 49 weeks 22 hours ago

The only real change I've seen is they wont let you pick up brass other than your own.

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from dbenear1985 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Everyone is out of ammo. I have found a few boxes of 223 9mm 38 and other calibers at walmart no 22 though. The ammo they have in stock they are limiting people to buying 3 boxes per day. I dont know about the rest of you but i didnt vote for this hope and change. Nothing this president has done has helped me in any way shape or form. My paychecks have went down. My taxes have went up. Trying to find or buy ammo has gotten alot tougher. The things i used to enjoy shooting, hunting, fishing have gotten expensive i used to spend 20-30 days at the range a year. I would hunt from september through january and fish march through october. i bet i spent 5 days at the range this last year. my hunting time has declined by 80% and fishing time by even more, I just want to say thanks Mr. Obama you have made my life so much better. My money you have taken and given to people who choose not to work who think they are entitled to anything they want and are very ungrateful for what they receive. They dont realize that everything they receive someone else has to pay for or they just dont care and i dont appreciate being forced to give up my hard earned money for these types of people. And i certainly dont appreciate how you have impacted my life. For those of you that voted for this president i hope having my money has made you happy.

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from Del in KS wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Well gents if you want to do something to fight prezeedint Obomber (soon to be king) take the money you would spend on a box or 2 of ammo and join the NRA. I know, I know many guys have a complaint about the NRA. Well they are the best thing we have to fight these ba$tards on the left. If you ain't helping you are part of the problem. Only about 4 million of the 80 million or so gun owners are members.
WAM I found a few bullets today but not saying where.

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from deadly wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Not sure of the source, but sounds credible:

Status of gun industry

Attention F.B. fans: to follow will be several
IMPORTANT Info updates about the status of the gun industry currently, followed
by an INVENTORY UPDATE: We traveled to Texas for Industry meetings concerning
the shortages, here's what we were told.

Smith & Wesson-is
running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are
unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.

RUGER:
Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.

FNH: Moving
from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1. Remington-Maxed
out!

Armalite: Maxed out.

DPMS: Can't get enough parts to
produce any more product.

COLT: Production runs increasing
weekly...bottle necked by Bolt carrier's.

LWRC:Making only black
guns, running at full capacity...can't get enough gun quality steel to make
barrels.

Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are
running 30-45 days behind.

AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We
are looking at a nation wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months.
All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ of 1 BILLION rounds
produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in
line.

MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large
quantities of magpul anytime soon.

RELOADERS... ALL Remington,
Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no
extra's for reloading purposes... it could be 6-9 months before things get
caught up. Sorry for the bleak news, but now we know what to expect in the
coming months. Stay tuned, we'll keep you posted

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from tom warner wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

SL: I don't know what you base your opinion on, but my guess is that many shooters do not belong to the NRA through sheer laziness,(or cheapness) which is typical human behavior. While the NRA no doubt is responsible for a certain amount of BS, your accusation that the members are "obsessed" is unfair and untrue. Anyone familiar with the historic relationship between governments and privately held firearms owners, know that in the event of a governmental drift toward authoritarianism, (which we are currently undergoing)the immediate government instinct is to register and then deprive the citizenry of their arms. Always. Despite any criticism I might have of the NRA, I would always favor them over ANY government!
Untrustworthiness and overreach is part of government DNA, and I will never trust ours, whatever party happens to be in power. I repeat: All gun owners need a organization like the NRA, warts and all. Do you trust Washington or your state government to protect your rights? You should not! Our constitution was written with that exact opinion in mind. Sorry, this "obsessed" citizen will stick with the NRA.

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from idduckhntr wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

There isn't a 22, 9mm round in town and when you do find them they are way over priced. Found some cheap brand 38s the other day the price had gone up to $50. In Idaho Falls they were selling 500 rounds of 22s for $115 and people were paying it.

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from Marion Johnson wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

You can now obtain a life membership in NRA for only $300 vs. the usual $1000. This lasts through Feb.28. Apply only by calling 1-888-678-7894. I know it works because I did it after 40 years of annual dues.
Use some of that money you are trying to spend on ammo right now. You can check this out at Tom Gresham's Gun Talk.com.
ALSO, go to Ruger.com and click on the feature which allows you to e-mail a nice letter to any politician for whom you can vote. Put in your ZIP code and the site will select the affected politicos. You check which ones you wish to notify and sign the prepared message. The recipients WILL count the e-mails, most will reply. GO BACK AND DO THIS ONCE A WEEK UNTIL THIS FIGHT IS OVER: we must let them know we will not roll over this time. You must be aware that "UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS" means you can not give/sell one of your guns without the Govt's permission. It also means permanent registration of your arms, what they are really going for.

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from tom warner wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Del in KS: I must say that I was kind of unpleasantly surprised when you mentioned the numbers of NRA members out of the total number of gun owners. I have been a life member for over 50 years and I guess I always thought that most of us were. Dumb me! Yes, I have not always been happy with them, but I suspect that we would be minus our 2nd Amendment rights by now if it weren't for the NRA. Hey guys, ALL of you should be members!

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from Iklwa wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I live in the North Sound region of Western Washington and you would think the ammunition industry had closed their doors when it comes to 22 and pistol ammo. Oh yeah, you will find the odd two or three boxes of 38 wadcutters or 25ACP but, by and large, the shelves are bare. I remarked to my wife the other day that it reminded me of Cold War photos of Soviet grocery stores. The labels were there but there was no product. The Walmart attendant said “It’s been like this since the election.”
You can still find hunting rifle and shotgun ammo but no pistol or 5.56mm.

Now, go try finding large pistol primers or WW231 powder…anywhere.

Does somebody know something I should be made aware of?

And my wife says I’m a “hoarder”.

Those brightly colored boxes of my carefully hand crafted ammunition stacked next to the safe warms the cockles of my heart.

If, after writing this, will I too be put on some kind of list?
Is that a drone I hear overhead?
Now I’m wishing I had a bunker and had bought a few thousand extra primers to boot!

Or is this some bass-ackward stimulus program for the American firearms industry?

P.S. If you stop by my bench, you are more than welcome to light off a few.

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

the problem is nowadays when you bring home less, it's hard to find extra money to buy ammo! especially when food, gas, and medical is twice as much as it used to be ten years ago. oh let's not forget that nearly all of our illegal but entitled wanna be citizens get this stuff for free.

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I have to admit, one of the things I find disconcerting is the 1.2 billion rounds of ammunition DHS has purchased in the past year. I can't figure it out. They're not the military and they refuse to provide real border security, so what's it for. I was reading that during peak war operations a few years ago the DOD was using 5 million or so rounds a month. That means DHS has purchased 240 months worth of ammo in war expenditures.. for a non military agency. So the question is, if they don't deal with outside threats, and they won't stop people at the gate, what's it all for? I can't decide if it's meant to to strenthen the iron fist, or if it's meant to cause the current shortfall we're all discussing. Can their really be the theory that if they make ammo expensive or just inconvenient by garnering the lion's share of supply we'll all just hang it up. I don't think I'm particularly paranoid, but if we assume (ahem) that our government does things for a reason, what exactly would that be?

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from larson014 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

i have never heard this before, maybe b/c i usually shoot on private land, but i will never let someone i do not know shoot my guns, too much liability in it... how do you know how competent they are or how safe they are? no thanks..

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from Happy Myles wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I have just noticed huge crowds, especially on weekends, and the marked increase of those using AR type rifles. They seem to go through a lot of ammo, methodically pounding out 50 to a 100 rounds of ammo, then pack up and depart. They do not seem to be worried about a shortage of cartridges. In fact most do not even pick up their empty brass, much to the pleasure of range employees who gather and sell it. Of course, this is iSouthern California, nothing is normal here. I try to go during the week when it is somewhat less hectic. The range has several hundred would be shooters on weekends..

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from Bernie wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Dbtrigger640: You are out of your mind.

I long ago "Democrat-proofed" my ammo supply, buying lots of .22 rimfire, shotshells, bullets, primers and powder. That was in the late 1990s, as I remember, when some brainless East Coast Democrat was proposing legislation that would put a time limit of effectiveness on primers. I also remember a "run" on .22 ammo within the last six or eight years.

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from Eddie13 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

As with anything else, people should have been slowly buying ammo for all of their firearms. Except for my M400 (100 rounds), I have at least 400 rounds of ammo each of my 3 rifles and 2 handguns and I'm not going to be part of the last minute frenzy to stockpile ammo now - that's just bad planning on your part. I was at a gun show this weekend in Colorado and Bushmaster AR-15's were going to $2700!!!! I bought my Sig Sauer M400 with scope for $900. People, calm down and wait for the frenzy to die down. Ammo will become available again, at normal prices. Either that, or save your casing and learn to re-load.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I was talking to Del in KS last night and we were talking about the shortages of even premium hunting bullets. Seems like it is widespread. Y'all let me know when we hit "Peak Ammo" or "Peak Guns" and I'll unload my gold mine.

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from Dbltrigger640 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

But Bernie, you're missing the point.

You get all worked up about anything that even gets mentioned - it instantly becomes a "proposal" - and almost always, it doesn't happen.

Don't think there are any serious proposals to limit ammo. Just ARs and high-cap magazines. That's pretty much it. Aside from universal background checks.

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from Longbeard wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

@dbltrigger640 - You seem to lack the gift of foresight. Obama's very serious concerted efforts are having a domino effect. And if you think the current proposals are all he and his minions/allies want, I think you have blinders on as well. As far as the ammo shortage goes, it seems to be a combination of low manufacturing output (why? see above) and a run on certain rounds due to public fears (again, see above). Same reason gun sales and CCW apps are way up.

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from deadly wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Not sure of the source, but sounds credible:

Status of gun industry

Attention F.B. fans: to follow will be several
IMPORTANT Info updates about the status of the gun industry currently, followed
by an INVENTORY UPDATE: We traveled to Texas for Industry meetings concerning
the shortages, here's what we were told.

Smith & Wesson-is
running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are
unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.

RUGER:
Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.

FNH: Moving
from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1. Remington-Maxed
out!

Armalite: Maxed out.

DPMS: Can't get enough parts to
produce any more product.

COLT: Production runs increasing
weekly...bottle necked by Bolt carrier's.

LWRC:Making only black
guns, running at full capacity...can't get enough gun quality steel to make
barrels.

Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are
running 30-45 days behind.

AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We
are looking at a nation wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months.
All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ of 1 BILLION rounds
produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in
line.

MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large
quantities of magpul anytime soon.

RELOADERS... ALL Remington,
Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no
extra's for reloading purposes... it could be 6-9 months before things get
caught up. Sorry for the bleak news, but now we know what to expect in the
coming months. Stay tuned, we'll keep you posted

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from redfishunter wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

And you can't help but ask why?

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from AAM wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

It is very sad what this great coutry has become.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Dbltrigger640:

"Don't think there are any serious proposals to limit ammo. Just ARs and high-cap magazines. That's pretty much it. Aside from universal background checks."

That's ALL!!!

You forget that nobama said long ago that handgun ownership should be limited to police and military.

You may not remember that the drunken killer of Mary-Jo Kopechne, that wonderful supporter of our rights, at one time proposed making nunchucks, throwing stars and butterfly knives illegal! For those too young, that was t. kennedy.

Has anyone noticed that nobama and the liberals such as Dbltriggers refer to AR15s as military STYLE and that whatever they propose as restrictions on our 2nd Amendment rights are always presented as "common sense"?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Kudukid,10-4!

Every bolt action hunting rifle is "military style" and you only need to go back to 1945 to see that the majority of the world's armies were outfitted with Mouser cloned bolt guns. Go back a few more years and you will see single shot breech loading "military-style" rifles. Not too much of a liberal Obummer stretch to extract muzzleloaders as "military-style" weapons. Al sorts of those "assault" rifles used at Gettysburg....

My point is that if you give them an inch, you are in trouble down the road. Look at Britain and Australia. Even if you sportsmen of all persuasions don't agree with the NRA on all points, the NRA deserves your support and membership. NRA is the most powerful lobby standing between the government, past, present and future, and you and your firearms.

Don't think the anti's will stop at your AR's and Glocks.

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from Michigan Gunner wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

My friends and I have seen this sort of thing coming for 30 years. Not bragging but I won't be needing to buy any ammo for a long time. Sure, I buy some when the price is right so I'll have it for times like these. I'll be shooting mostly cast bullet handloads this summer as I have a good supply of lead, powder, and primers.

MG

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

oh by the way lets arm the muslim community over in egypt but disarm the citzens (taxpayers) of the united states!!!

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from Tim Platt wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

The range I go to is out in the country and on 27,000 acres of Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency property which is public hunting land.

I have never been there and not shot other people's guns unless I was there alone. The shooting range is like a church, you are surrounded by people who believe in the same things you do and you are automatically drawn to them. We talk to each other, talk about weapons and what we use them for, and discuss what we want to buy next. Then we offer to let the other person shoot our rifles. It is the way it has always been down here. I hope it is not changing because of the Obamanation our government has become.

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from nwild wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

The shortage is due to our fears. The lobby is too strong to let anything too drastic happen now. My fear is that the next generation won't be strong enough to look past a senseless tragedy and tell these selfrighteous elite to 'F' -off and take their social engineering to someone else's shore.

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from Keith Selvidge wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Other than an indoor range close by,I never go to a range.If I did I might ask to look(But not touch)a rifle or handgun,and would expect the same courtesy from others.No offense to anyone,thats just me.A few weeks ago a smalltown outdoor writer stood before a group of social elites and denounced the NRA.Declaring they were money hungry and only interested in dollars.Says he never needed an AR to hunt ducks and pheasants.We would all be better off without them and the NRA was blocking that effort.
I say we all need to stick together until this crap blows over.
The post about the status of Gun and ammo Manufacturing is great info Thanks.

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from Tim Platt wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Okay I went to two box type sporting goods stores and nobody had any .22's... the guy behind the counter said it was the manufacturer's fault and that they were creating a shortage just to make Obama look bad. Right, obviously he is drinking the dumbocrat kool aid.

Anyway a new shipment is coming in today but I had better be there when they come in because they sell them all in hours. And no bricks, only boxes for 50 for $2.99 and they put them up in customer service instead of with the guns because they are now considered handgun ammunition.

So much for the revolution, the peasants have no ammo...

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from small game sportsman wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I ran around to three or four stores the other day looking for 9mm and couldn't find any.

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from Bluto wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

While I haven't refused to let anyone use my ammo lately, I have been more conscious of the cost of doing so. If anything I've been more thankful when people let me use theirs.

Another interesting offshoot of this shortage is how more diligent the brass rats have become. At my club it wasn't uncommon to find some once-fired rifle cases that no one wanted. These days you have to get up early if you want to find anything good in the brass box.

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from MaxPower wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I think it is making an impact on etiquette. Outside an antique, a gun with ammo no longer made or something like an MG-42 I'd expect to at least be offered (as well as offer other myself) to shoot a firearm. I usually say no to reciprocate politeness unless it's something I'm really interested in, but getting the offer is still nice and almost an unwritten law.

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from labrador12 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Don't you have to get a federal background check before you can offer a firearm to another shooter to check out? Isn't that a felony? If the Feds don't say its OK it must be illegal, right?

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Interesting. No problems with ammo up here. I generally don't bother with the range scene. It's minus twenty up here so most other folks don't either. And I would be extremely surprised if anyone even wanted to pick up and point any of my guns if I did go to the range. My stuff is very plain-jane. Nothing novel about an old 30-06 with fixed 4x Weaver. Only once in my life did someone offer to let me shoot his gun at a range and that was a 400 Nitro double rifle. I accepted, much to my regret. Only warmed one barrel though. My brother did ask me to take a shot and verify his group when we were sighting in his rifle last fall before deer hunting. But I don't think that counts. It's something I routinely do as well if someone else is available.

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from Happy Myles wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Probably should add, I shoot so much, and travel often and far to hunt, therefore I have to stay way ahead on the supply side of my ammo. Therefore I miss a lot of the peaks and valleys. Hope it stays that way. Kindest Regards

P.S.
I use a tremendous amount of 22LR position shooting. It helps me avoid hearing footsteps while practicing with my big bore rifles with their awful recoil. Have sort of a special source which so far has not failed me.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I don't think the big stores will run out of 7mm Weatherby and .300 Weatherby anytime soon. If they do, it will be a sure sign that the "End is Near".

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Well, Happy, I can think of one person in Southern California who's normal. :-)

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

'flyer,
Dollar down, dollar a week. Cash, buy one get one free!

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from mkegaffer wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Last Friday, I bought a dozen boxes of .22 CCI Stingers from Mills Fleet Farm in Germantown, WI. And I didn't clear them out, either. They've posted a sign stating that they would only raise their prices on ammo if the manufacturers did so, and it was true; I paid what I always have paid for the .22 rounds.

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from deadly wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Sorry about the double post, sometimes the blog gets quirky when trying to post.

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from redfishunter wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

coachjike - I agree with your post, but its not that the ammo companies aren't making it. They can't make it fast enough. The government is buying hoards of ammunition. I have a close friend who works the night shift at a ammunition plant. He said they have five machines, and generally have four working around the clock making bullets and one is typically down for maintenance, but three out of the four producing machines are working on government orders. Ole Uncle Sam is hoarding up ammunition must faster than the american people.

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from deerhunterrick wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Well it's like this. Who needs new gun control laws when they can cut you off before you can shoot? Limit the production of ammo and you won't be able to shoot. It's been coming for quit some time now. Even reloading equipment and supplies are very limited or over priced. Welcome to non gun control and the newly established ammo control

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Personally I never offer to let a stranger shoot my guns. I don't know them, and they don't know me. I've had people say "Go ahead, shoot a few", but I've always declined. With close friends its different, we shoot each others stuff all the time. I've even handed my rifle to a hunting buddy of mine so he could take it to the range because he was thinking about buying one. For me it's a matter of trust, if I trust you I'll let you shoot my stuff. If not, I won't offer or give permission.

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from pfin3 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

From a report I heard, Homeland Security has put in an order for something like 2.40 billion rounds of ammo.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

pfin3
Your re-post is correct.
The order is also out for napolitano to purchase 7000 AR15 machine guns. What does homeland security (DHS) need with 7000 of those?
Naturally, when nobama's folks want them they are "select -fire personal defense weapons". Ours,on the other hand, are called assault rifles even though they only fire semi-automatic.
All demonicRATS are gross hypocrites!

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from HeidelbergJaeger wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I know that the Government agencies are not into sharing 5.56 with the rest of us. DHS bought up 1.6 billion rounds. Why? Why would an agency that just came into existence need that much ammo. They are preparing for something, because if you or I did that large of a purchase it would be called hoarding. When the Government does it, its called "contingency planning".

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from IceClash wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Ironically, I live in Canada and I am having no trouble with amunition, although that may have something to do with working at a sporting goods store. I have heard that once fired military brass is being melted down instead of sold, and that is quite concerning. I am lucky that our governing party is pro gun. I dont know how you let your press get away with what he does

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from jjas wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I've not been asked as of late, but yes...I'd let someone shoot a few rounds.

I kind of understand the shortages of .223, 9mm, and 40 S&W, but the .22lr thing I didn't expect.

I've seen bricks of cheap .22s selling for $50.00....I lucked out and found two bricks @ BassPro the other day for $22.00 per brick.

I do shot fewer rounds due to the ammo situation and will continue to do so until this mess shakes out.....

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from Wolfjaw wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I wouldn't refuse a friend, however, if the intent is to shoot up a box of cartridges on my dime I encourage them to come to the range with me carrying a box of their favorite loading because of the cost. I make it clear that I'll be willing to take any unfired rounds from their box of cartridges so that they won't be tucked away forgotten and gathering dust in the tool shed.

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from AAM wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I live in south Texas and have been to walmart, the feed store and the hardware store but I have not found a single box of 22.

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from NHshtr wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Amen dbenear1985.

I haven't seen an etiquette change - yet. I'm at the gun club range fairly frequently. If someone has a genuine interest in one of the guns I'm shooting, I'll ask if they'd like to take a few shots (while I monitor their handling of it, of course!).

Largest change is the range talk has become almost always about ammo and component availability. e.g. who has what and for how much (it not there long anyway).

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from Alan Meyers wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Fortunately I haven't felt much of the ammo shortage. Stores about where I live always have what I'm looking for on the shelves. I also don't buy ammo in bulk. I usually just grab a box or two whenever I'm in town and see a good deal. I fear the day I walk into a Farm and Fleet and they're out of .38, .22, or 9mm.

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from etexan wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Bought several bricks of .22 when a hardware closed down 25 years ago that were marked way down. Still have a couple hundred of those. Bought bulk boxes at different events every so often and almost never shot them all up so my natural hoarding instinct has resulted in a supply of rimfire ammo that outlasted the shortage from 4 years ago and will probably outlast this one, too.

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from Tom-Tom wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

On our municipal range a couple of the locals have taken to collecting all the brass from the gravel that covers the ground around the four shooting benches, even the .22 casings. About the only ammo in the local stores is shotgun field loads. Reminds you somewhat of Johnny Carson's infamous toilet paper "shortage".

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from schizuki wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Jeez, with all I've learned from you and Dave on The Gun Nuts, I'd feel like I owed it to you. Best gun show on TV for real-world knowledge.

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from Mark-1 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I'm fussy who I let shoot my 458. Depending upon bullet, there's a bottle of Sam Adams going down range at every trigger pull.

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from RJ Arena wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Ammo is mighty scarce right now, and I do see fewer people wasting it on the range, and a lot more people picking up their brass. the only thing I can find is high premium and .30-06, still a lot of shotgun ammo out there. this past Saturday there was a gun show that people camped out waiting to go in like a "rock concert" and they were for sure not giving anything away!

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from Amflyer wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

They probably won't run out of those funny wedderby cat'ridges, but who knows what kind of financing they will have for them. What's the norm in your neck of the woods, one box for 6 months no interest?

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from Tim Platt wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I wish I knew, but since I am down to my last box of .40 and 9mm cartridges and prices have gone crazy and I can't even find any to replace them, I have not been to a range in three or four months.

I swear I bought an AR just because I could buy a box of 20 for $4.99... That's why I pound out at least 250 rounds when I take it to the range Happy, it's sixty bucks worth of ammo. Kinda like 30 rounds out of my Weatherby or 60 from the '06, or 60 from any pistol these days. Plus I spend $20 on gas every time I leave the house, what the heck? Who has money left over? I have a bad feeling when Obamacare kicks in I will have even less expendable income.

I used to go and shoot all my rifles, but the $8.88 boxes of .270's and .30-06's at wally world turned into $16.99 boxes so I went the .223 route. Now I can't find any of those and I am a firm believer that you must have 1,000 rounds in hand so I am staying home. Obama has put a hurt on me too dbenear 1985.

I guess I need to go check out the .22 situation. I have a couple of bricks and I think I paid $15 for them too. They were always $8.88, even for a long time after the centerfire cartridges went up.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Del in KS, glad you did. You didn't raid my closet did you? I better go check my TTSX inventory!

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from Del in KS wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

WAM You'd have to have a semi-truck load for me to drive all the way to the left coast for ammo.
Found about a dozen boxes 17 hummer, 1 box 357 mag but not a single round of .22 ammo at Wally World. We do already have a few rounds in storage.

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from deadeyedick wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Our range is private and the number of members is 100. The only people I let try some of my guns are the ones I know and trust. I don't give advice unless it is asked for and pretty much stay out of other members business. I'm sort of an old crudmugen like yourself. So far we have only some calibers that are in short supply, but I'm sure it will get worse. After reading this blog a few days ago I went and purchased as much ammo and reloading components as I could. Hopefully that will be enough to see me thru.

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from deadeyedick wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Our range is private and the number of members is 100. The only people I let try some of my guns are the ones I know and trust. I don't give advice unless it is asked for and pretty much stay out of other members business. I'm sort of an old crudmugen like yourself. So far we have only some calibers that are in short supply, but I'm sure it will get worse. After reading this blog a few days ago I went and purchased as much ammo and reloading components as I could. Hopefully that will be enough to see me thru.

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from deadeyedick wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

So sorry about the double post but sometimes this web page is a real pain in the patootie

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from Zermoid wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

Remember the days you could go out to the gun shop and for $200 get a new gun (or 2 if you bought used) and a nice supply of ammo for them?

I went out a few days ago and got 200 rnds of M1 carbine, a pound of black powder, 2 boxes of .454 lead balls, a pound each of 296 and GreenDot, and it was OVER $200! Unreal.
Oh, and they had ONE brick of 22LR left, which they wanted $30 for, which is also why I didn't grab it, because I thought it was an outrageous price.....

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from Safado wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I too live in Southern California and I have not noticed any shortages at spoting goods type stores. I have noticed that the local gun store is limitng the amount of boxes per customer. I have noticed that there is a shortage of reloading components but factory ammo is available.

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

there is a lot not being said about whether or not ammo being restricted. the news only talks about what the obama administration wants them to talk about. nothing was said about the libya incident until after the elections and romney was too scared to open his mouth. nothing was said about the senator menedez incident until after the elction and only limited info is being shared. we went from a nation of freedom to being restricted on everything. just because nothing was said on ammo restrictions does not mean that it is not occurring. the nation voted in a real scumbag, not to mention a liar, and a vampire.

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from Nyflyangler wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I can't believe no one mentioned this.

Obama is mandating ammunition that only works if you vote Democratic party.

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from Safado wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Iklwa/Michigan Gunner,
Amen Brothers. I never have to buy a round of factory ammo ever. If you roll your own and stock up when prices are low (like brer squirrel storing acorns during the summer) you are unaffected by the lemmings buying during a run on ammo. Just a little more time spent at the reloading bench.

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I need an editor. For some reason my bad use of homonyms never jumps out at me until I glance up after hitting submit.

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from Safado wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Eddie13,
You are absolutely right! Everybody needs to calm down, save your money and brass. When this frenzy boils over start making serious purchases in bulk. It was during a frenzy like this that I started reloading out of frustration with the price of ammo. I haven't been held hostage to panic buying since. Now that to me is exercising your 2nd Amendment rights!

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from 99explorer wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I did not know that it was a breach of etiquette not to offer a stranger the use of your gun at a public range.

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from mdezort wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I'd be cautious about believing the "supply and demand" malarky being spread about ammo shortages. Ask yourself, "exactly which core items for the manufacturing of ammo is in short supply?" Powder, brass casing materials, lead, plastic? We can impact the demand by simply refusing to buy ammo until the price becomes reasonable again. The vast, vast majority of us shoot for sport and don't "have" to shoot until things even out again. Remember, we control demand, not the gun and ammo companies.

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from pfin3 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

From a report I heard, Homeland Security has put in an order for something like 240 billion rounds of ammo.

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from huntersboy wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

at my local gander mountain there was no 22. ammo at all!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Considering where things are today, it is hoarding by the ill-prepared. Contingency planning should have happened long ago. Just sayin'

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from kingfish wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

WOW, it’s not the government it’s a varmint conspiracy, burying the hordes of ammo, to take over the world.
It is that way in northwest Ohio to, I even drove up north to Mich. have a rifle worked and that gun shop ammo supply didn’t look all the good and everything was double in price. Man I hope this bull doesn’t affect the fishing line industry.

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from Tyler Tidswell wrote 1 year 7 weeks ago

I have noticed people are starting to change when it comes to shooting, I dont know if it is my generation or if it is because of the shortage of ammo. Last time i was at the shooting range I had to pay to shoot other people guns because of the cost to shoot them

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from Tyler Tidswell wrote 1 year 7 weeks ago

I have noticed people are starting to change when it comes to shooting, I dont know if it is my generation or if it is because of the shortage of ammo. Last time i was at the shooting range I had to pay to shoot other people guns because of the cost to shoot them

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from Donald Goldsmith wrote 1 year 3 weeks ago

Back about 15 or so years ago when a Demagog Dema-nazi-crat spewed out his claim of imposing a $1.00 a bullet TAX on ALL AMMO I (the ant) got a glimpse of their agenda and started stocking up when K-mart had ammo on sale, especially .22 ammo as I have a plethora of .22 target/hunting guns and other calibers to unfortunately a greatly reduced amount. Now some(grasshopper)friends are wheedling me to sell them some .22 ammo at "realistic" prices because of the price and shortage currently being experienced... I feel for them but also despite my cautioning them on the Demo-Nazi-crats agenda said THAT it cannot happen here in the US of A...
Wake up people they want to take your GUNS all of them a little bite at a time but all eventually. They are a Democrat cable plotting to enslave all of us to their God knows what evil ends. Dianne Feinstein is the Devil incarnate !

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from Ross McClintock wrote 49 weeks 22 hours ago

The only real change I've seen is they wont let you pick up brass other than your own.

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

romney stated that 47% of the american people won't care for what i have to say because they are too dependent on the government. these are the same people that obama cherishes and protects. F&**&K them, i am sick of giving up my hard earned rights as well as a larger portion of my paycheck to these a$$hole$. as far as ammunition goes, there is a shortage simply because the companies are not making it i the quantities that they used to. when i called 3 different companies, they told me the shipments that used to come in are no longer coming in as frequently. so my question is WHO IS MAKING THAT CALL? because as far as i am concerned, there in no assault weapons ban yet as well as any legislation that prevents me from buying any ammo online? thanks mr obama for turning our country into a true $hit hole in less than 4 years!!!

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from blevenson wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

This post doesn't have to do with the ammo shortage but I have heard that the government is going to start making it so that ammo companies make cartridges/shells that have powder that will only last for about 10 years and then it will no longer work. I find this to be deeply disturbing. Has anybody else heard about this and if so do you feel the same way?

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from wisc14 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

haven't noticed but i don't own a 22 and shoot shotguns way way more than any rifle.

too bad hunters didn't cling to conservaiton, public land, and wildlife/fish habitat issues as closely as they do to their precious semi-auto rifles

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from Safado wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

I've said it before; Obama either directly or indirectly has been great for the firearms industry. Gun and ammo sales are through the roof, jobs in the firearms industry are up I haven't confirmed this but I would not be surprised if the stocks of firearm companies are up as well. Those of you blaming the President for ammo shortages are misinformed. Smart people saw the writing on the wall in previous shortages and stocked up. Those of you that don't have ammo and are complaining that you can't find ammo...well, you're just not smart!

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from Dbltrigger640 wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

There was no one at the range yesterday. Think they were all home sleeping on their pallets of .223, waiting for the zombies.

Blaming Obama for the ammo shortage is ridiculous. He's done nothing to restrict anyone's access to guns or ammunition. It's all rumor and hearsay. Stop listening to the radio talk show hosts. Don't believe all the NRA propaganda. They're as much responsible for the ammo shortage as anything. "The sky is falling, send us money."

It's not the Dems and the liberals hoarding the .22 shells.

And if your income's gone down, you can probably blame the crash of '08. That was caused by a housing/real estate bubble and an out-of-control financial industry. And BTW that happened before O became president.

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from SL wrote 1 year 10 weeks ago

"Only about 4 million of the 80 million or so gun owners are members."

Interesting isn't it? The typical NRA member will say that the 4 million are pulling the weight for the other 76 million. But the honest truth is that the other 76 million might own guns but are not obsessed by them, or simply don't buy into the BS that the NRA spews. The NRA will NEVER have even half of American gun owners on their side, and that is the fault of the NRA and no one elses.

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