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February 08, 2013

Nobody Here But Us Shooters

By David E. Petzal

In the annals of grotesquerie, one of the prime sources of amusement is career politicians attempting to convince people that what is not, is. My favorite example in recent years was Senator John McCain (whom I don’t think has been quite sane for a while) standing in a bazaar in Baghdad while the war in Iraq was in full flower, assuring the Folks Back Home that it was perfectly safe to go shopping here. At the time, he was wearing a flak vest and surrounded by heavily armed security guards.

One of the favorite dodges of politicians and journalists is to allow that they, too, are shooters and gun owners, even if they have straight F ratings from the NRA or have defamed the NRA and its members in at least one column a week. Joe Biden has admitted that he has a Beretta over/under, and that he has no fear someone will try to take it away from him. Governor Andrew Cuomo, just prior to his screaming fit about guns during his State of the State Address, allowed that he has a Remington pump shotgun, and if that’s good enough for him to hunt with, why would anyone need an assault weapon and high-capacity magazines?

John Kerry humiliated himself by showing up at a trap range and revealing that he had no idea how the sport worked, or how to hold a shotgun. Sarah Palin, who made herself out as a hell of a shooter, was taped trying to gun down a caribou, which she missed repeatedly, and had to have her guide yank the rifle away from her because she didn’t know how to operate it. Hillary Clinton, during her disastrous presidential run, allowed that she was the veritable reincarnation of Annie Oakley as a kid, and if she hadn’t discovered politics, who knows what might have come of it?

Political columnists do it, too. They will tell you that they grew up on a farm, and lived with guns, and that they got a gun for Christmas one year, and that they are gun owners and shooters. What they don’t bother to mention is that they got the hell away from the farm just as fast as they possibly could and have not picked up a firearm in the 30 years since  and would like to see you do without your guns.

Most recent on the list of covert gun users is President Obama, golfer, basketball player and, if we can believe the press releases, skeet shooter. There is even a photo of the Pres shooting a skeet gun, or maybe it’s Photoshop. The gun appears to be a Browning Citori, which I’m sure thrills the hell out of Browning. There’s no evidence, however, that aside from this one shot, he has actually completed a round of skeet. Also, whose gun is it? His? Does he have a permit for it?

I’m not convinced. Also, someone should tell him to get his elbows up, and that you don’t “do skeet shooting,” you shoot skeet.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I have a friend at Camp David on the presidential security detail, so maybe he could verify if the Prez actually shot trap. But then I'd have to kill you if I told you.....

Petzal, I think this is one of the more incisive statements you have made. Bravo

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from CL3 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Politicians are poseurs? No way.

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from Steward wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I don't care whether the President or anyone else in office knows which end of a gun to hold, as long as the fulfill their oath to uphold and protect the Constitution and do their job of representing the American people...even gun owners.

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Dave,
Please don't stop writing.

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I find it all very amusing. The GOP equivalent would have to be on the order of Romney telling everyone he used to be married to a dude.

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from jjas wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

We all know that politicians would say/do just about anything to get elected/re-elected.....

What I find interesting is that for all the complaining that we all do about our leaders in Washington...90% the members of the House and Senate that ran for re-election in 2012...won....

Whose fault is that?

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from Trapper Vic wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I saw the Presidents picture on msnbc also. 1st off use ear plugs instead of those bulky muffs when shooting moving targets with a shot gun. They just get in your way. Maybe he should invite chaney over? Second thought maybe not!

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from DSMbirddog wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I think your last paragraph sums up BHO's knowledge and experience shooting skeet.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Well, at least he is out of the closet as a gun user....

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from NHshtr wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Looks like he's using a new Browning product. It shoots blackpowder, and has a port on only one side, unless...., nah, they wouldn't do that...would they?

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from HeidelbergJaeger wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

as soon as I saw the obama photo with him shooting a ported shotgun, all I could think of was "Awww skeet, skeet, skeet"

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Integrity has lost it's way with our political representation. Until we tar and feather politicians for lying, they will continue to be re-elected.

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Buckhunter I can assume then that you boiled some tar and denuded some roosters during the last administration when the lying lead to a war.

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from larson014 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

"There’s no evidence, however, that aside from this one shot, he has actually completed a round of skeet."

exactly, it was a photo op... nothing more...

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

"and if that’s good enough for him to hunt with, why would anyone need an assault weapon and high-capacity magazines?" I have only needed one shot with every deer I've taken. My rifle will hold 4 in the mag and one in the pipe. Do I take it to the field that way? Yup, because I want to! I use my "assault weapon and high-capacity magazines" for coyotes, piggies, and general shooting, and yes I fully load the mag. For me, as well as many others of you out there I would hazard a guess to say that its not a matter of "need", but of "want". Who are they to tell me different?

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from 99explorer wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

The prez would have us believe that he, as a fellow gun owner, is willing to share our sacrifice in gun freedoms if it would save only one life, etc.
Hundreds of thousands of American lives have been sacrificed to secure and preserve our freedoms, and we are now asked to give some of them up to save one life.
It does not compute.

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from bullock wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Mumblypeg, grumble, pretty soon he'll be callin himself Riff Raff Sam, the riffiest raff that ever riffed a raft north, south, east, and west of the Pecos. If that person (for he is certainly not a man) expects people with as little as an ounce of common sense to believe his lies, then he has to be the biggest fool that ever drew a breath.

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from 2011Silverado wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Well bullock, I don't disagree. But 51% of our voting fellow Americans are just as foolish for electing him.

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from PbHead wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Dave, you make me think. I wonder who the last president was that actually had a hunting license. Also, I seem to remember that Winchester would present the current president with an engraved Model 94. When did this practice stop?

BTW, if you visit the Eisenhower home in Gettysburg PA, you used to be able to view some of his guns. IIRC a Model 70 in 22 Hornet and a couple of very nice Colt revolvers were on display.

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from Giggidy-Giggidy wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

The wisest thing I've ever heard about politicians, is that you must read their lips, because they're talking out their @$$

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from nwild wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Seeing that puff come out the top of the barrel, my first thought: 'Pussy.'

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

10jolsen, Concerning your comment "when lying lead to war"

Let me throw some history your way...

In 1980, war was declared on the United States by many of the factions of religious zealots which live in the middle east.

In 1982 a bunch of these SOB's from the middle east bombed barracks in Beirut, killing 250 Marines. Shortly after that they bombed an embassy in Kenya, killing 150. They bombed Flight 103, killing 250. They bombed the USS Cole, killing 27. They bombed the World Trade Center in 1990. In between these bombings were numerous lessor bombings, so common they only made 3rd page news.

After all of this, we did nothing.

We paid the price for this mistake on Sept 11th.

I am assuming the lie you refer to is the fact we did not find weapons of mass destruction. Who cares? After 20 years of terror, the United States and the world was justified to invade any country which harbored hamas, hezballoh, al queda and taliban. They obviously had weapons of mass destruction because they've killed thousands over the years.

I have left out the "grotesquerie" of political rhetoric for your amusement.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Dave, reminds me of the old joke:

"How can you tell when a politician is lieing"
"His lips are moving"

The worst ever was John Kerry. He told stories of "belly crawling with his trusty SXS for a 16 point Buck". Since none of us ever remembered Anti-Gun Kerry ever hunting...we tried to get the data from the State. Once the state figured out what was going on...they claimed all records were no longer available. However, the best was him admitting that he and his staff had guns at his home...but no one could find a Massachusetts FID card in his name. No FID card in Massachusetts..."mandatory one year in jail".Once again, "records unavailable".
You did a good job above...except one thing...we need to be fair with Palin.
The instance with Palin was filmed. Her Dad and his pal were the other two hunters. She had no gun.Her father wanted her to shoot a Caribou with his family heirloom gun. Moments before her Dad, an older gentleman had fallen down a hill and his gun went tumbling knocking the scope out.
Later, when they got to her animal, He insisted she use his gun. She took it and shot over the animal's back. She told him something was wrong...but he insisted she shoot again...same thing. The friend handed her his gun, which was still sighted in and she took the animal.
Is she a Big Time Hunter? No.Should her father have figured it out,yes. That said,she can't be compared to the other clowns. She did grow up in a Sporting Family,is a legitimate fan and protector of the blood sports and in a clutch....could do what the others couldn't do...figure out how to load a gun.
The Truth is, she is the only one out of the above I'd take to dinner....maybe even a little dancing afterwards. ;)

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I just heard a funny line delivered by Bernard, from the Imus Show.
"Obama shooting a gun is about as realistic as a picture of Gov. Christie on a treadmill"

LMAO

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from nc30-06 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Buckhunter, you are dead on right. So are you haverodwilltreavel.

Great points and writing Dave.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Here is a nearly foolproof way of selecting representatives...oddly it comes from a woman.

Keep in mind nobama is a product of Chicago politics - the dirtiest political city in the dirtiest political state and his is a lifetime spent in political theater.

"We cannot live without the earth or apart from it, AND SOMETHING IS SHRIVELED IN A MAN'S HEART WHEN HE TURNS AWAY FROM IT AND CONCERNS HIMSELF ONLY WITH THE AFFAIRS OF MEN."
Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings - "Cross Creek" 1942

Golf on a manicured lawn doesn't count.

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from keithjoyner wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sarah Palin's "guide" did not yank the rifle away from her due to her lacking skills, he exchanged a rifle whose scope had not been knocked out of alignment. And, truthfully, would a "normal" politician or great TV hunter have allowed the full video to have been shown. It would have been quietly cut out of the segment. I truly believe this shows more about her character than any one-shot kill ever could have.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

buckhunter,
You have to forgive the ignorant among us who have been brainwashed by the public schools and liberal media. Most of them would not make a good pimple on the ass of any of the soldiers, sailors, Marines, and airmen who have served and sacrificed for this country anyway. They are full of hate and tell as many lies as those they accuse and insult. Problem is, they think it is the truth. Sad.

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from Occasional Outd... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Your were wrong on Sarah Palin. I'm not her fan but you also did not do your legwork or at least a you tube research. She missed the animal because the scope was not zeroed. I watched that entire show and I can tell Sarah is one hell of an outdoors person and mildly a gun nut too, to say the least. I own three shotguns, 4 pistols and 5 rifles. I feel guilty just thinking of buying another one. Before I heard the phrase "gun control" from the media, my wife already drilled that in my brain. We, gun owners are sometimes way too touchy about our ownership. I can't add any one more five cent worth of argument in favor of gun rights because for all I know, it is the gun manufacturers who are raking big bucks profiting from any item related to shooting. Wheww, shooting sports is becoming a real expensive hobby. Can you write about how they can tone down the ringer in their cash register?

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

you forgot about when both obama and bloomberg both said there is absolutely no way that they would allow armed security in our kids schools, yet obama sent armed guards with his kids everyday to school since the newtown shooting and bloomberg has more armed guards around him with more ammo than the average citizen. every politician that i know is a lying scumbag hypocrite with money. that's why they get in.

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

haverodwilltravel,
gov christie got awfully aggressive on that jelly doughnut the other night on letterman though!!

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from focusfront wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Here's another vote for Sarah Palin. I saw the film of her using her dad's 7mm Rem Mag on the caribou; by her second shot she knew something was wrong and did not want to shoot again. Her dad forced her to keep shooting. Back in camp her father couldn't hit a flock of barns with the rifle either and determined that Sarah had not been at fault. You couldn't have hit that bull with that rifle, Dave.

And no, she is not a dummy. Listen to her talk about Alaska, or energy, or the oil industry; she has forgotten more than our fuhrer's smartest advisor will ever know. The pundits made her look foolish by asking her Washington insider questions; questions that you could not answer, either. A liberal woman with her background and qualifications would have had the pundits running the streets proclaiming, "We have a Queen!" I deeply regret that her political career seems to be over; she'd make a great senator or representative from Alaska.

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from focusfront wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Oh, and I could live the whole rest of my natural life without a thirty round magazine. What is so infuriating about this whole debate is the asininity of the entire thing. For openers it should not be possible for a government that serves its people, rather than the other way around, to arbitrarily take things from them. Second, none of this addresses the problem. If the pilots and co-pilots of the planes hijacked on 911 had each had a five shot Smith j-frame in his pocket, there would have been no 911. They still do not have them, although almost every pilot is ex-military and well-familiar with guns. They don't have them, so we must stand in line for an hour and a half at the airport and have our packages... ALL of them... hand searched. If you told an Israeli that the way to keep nuts from breaking into schools or buses and shooting them up is to establish gun free zones, he'd look at you as if you had just arrived from Fairyland. Truth is, if you were visiting Israel from the USA, these days he'd be right.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Focusfront,
Not so sure we don't have a "Queen" now! LOL

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from myopicjazz wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Petzal has been corrected about his comments regarding Palin shooting at the caribou before. I like his writing but he doesn't seem interested in learning what actually happened.

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from Ncarl wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

"Also, someone should tell him to get his elbows up"

Thats exactly what I told him. Check out my post under "Obama shooting gunz" on the backlash and blowback section!

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from wisc14 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

can't believe someone defended sarah palin....she is a disgrace to the sport of hunting

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from wisc14 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

jjas: the reason the same foks are always re-elected is because most people in this country have become so brainwashed by one party that they only vote republican or only vote democrat. they don't vote for actual people just parties. it doesn't matter who you are if you run democrat in california or republican in texas you are basically guranteed victory

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from focusfront wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

How did Sarah Palin disgrace hunting?

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from MReeder wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Got to add my dittos to some of the others who corrected DEP about Palin. I watched that show, too, from start to finish, and the problem was the rifle; not her. Her dad had taken a spill with it earlier and obviously knocked the scope out of kilter. She told him immediately that something was wrong after the first miss, but neither her dad nor the family friend that was along (not a guide) got the memo. They were the ones who got flustered; not her, probably because they knew a camera was rolling and they're not used to having one around. They checked her dad's rifle later back in camp and it was a mile off. She didn't have any trouble at all taking that same caribou down with one shot once she switched rifles. It's also pretty evident from family photos and trophies that predate her political career that she and her entire family have been hunting and shooting their entire lives. Palin's taken enough undeserved flack without taking it from fellow shooters. As for the others, from McCain to Obama, DEP is right on target.

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from ishawooa wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Where are the likes of Abe who used to shoot behind the Whitehouse or Teddy hunting in the west or Africa or capping varmints on Long Island with a silenced Model 94 so he would not upset the Duponts and Tiffanys? Ike hunting upland or waterfowl and Ronnie shooting just for fun also come to mind. We need this type of president so badly, not just for their use of firearms but for their common sense and reasonable thinking.

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from rock rat wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

We were at a friend's house with some other couples when I first saw that picture. All us guys started talking about the smoke, and his stance, and elbows. The women started talking about how good he looked in jeans and what a lucky gall Michelle was.

You play B-ball Dave?

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from Safado wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I thought this was the 'Gun Nuts'? I would like to see the discussion go back to shotguns and rifles, calibers, reloading and product reviews. I find the negative criticism of the sitting President of the Unites States disturbing! I come to this blog for the interaction between hunters and shooters; that I find useful, informative and at times entertaining. Can we limit these discussions to the 2nd Amendment blog or anywhere else? I'm sure I've offended some of the hard core Obama haters...too bad! We all get one vote and have come out on the losing side before. If you voted and your guy lost get over it, if you didn't vote shut up!!!

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from rock rat wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

We were at a friend's house with some other couples when I first saw that picture. All us guys started talking about the smoke, and his stance, and elbows. The women started talking about how good he looked in jeans and what a lucky gall Michelle was.

You play B-ball Dave?

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from Jerry507 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

As if defaming the NRA or holding a F grade means anything. Many gun owners seem to think the NRA stands guard for your right to keep and bear arms. The reality is they guard the butts of the industry that sells them to you, and zealously restricts any measure that would limit the sale of guns, to criminals or law abiding citizens.

And you know better, the 2nd amendment doesn't protect your right to hunt or your right to hunt with the guns you want. It's bad enough all the straight up political commentators don't understand that, but that a gun commentator doesn't is perhaps doubly sad.

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from focusfront wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Safado:

My heart agrees with you, but my head says that if we wish to remain gun nuts, and unless being a gun nut means shooting a single-shot rifle or shotgun that we check out of a public armory, we cannot bury our heads in the sand while the world goes on around us.

Jerry507:

There's an old saying; "Don't bite the hand that feeds you." Back in the '90s the NRA did go along with the compromisers for a while; a costly lesson that lost us some rights for years. A costly lesson yes, but a lesson learned; the NRA now knows that there is no dealing with these people, and stands firm against ANY violation of our rights. The NRA only represents a tiny fraction of American gun owners, yet is usually the organization that is on the spot whenever our rights are in danger. Don't confuse friendship with the gun industry with being in that industry's pocket; if you owned a gun factory, how could you NOT like the NRA?

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from argoman wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Wisc14, i hope you are not from Wisconsin, because if you are, your'e giving my home state a bad rap. that is unless you are 14 years old, then all is forgiven

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Something William F. Buckley said that should be on the walls of congress and in every school room...

"HARD CASES MAKE BAD LAW."

20 people are murdered and 320,000,000 should give up their basic constitutional rights to pay for their sin of enjoying freedom.

The fathers of this country thought this right was so important, the only rights they placed ahead of it was freedom of religion and speech.

nobama has already trampled on the 1st Amendment and as proof, there are a great many lawsuits being filed against nobamacare. He doesn't govern by the will of the people, he rules by decree!

It may be tyranny light for now but wait until this becomes a one-party state when millions of criminals here illegally are handed their ballots...

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from SgtLumpy wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Smoke from Obama's Shotgun Muzzle - Appears to be a ported barrel. Does that qualify as a "muzzle brake/flash reducer-hider"? If so, would that classify it as an "assault weapon" if DiFi or Big O's assault weapons ban were reinstated, now with the "rule of ONEs" instead of the earlier, and just as rediculous "role of TWOs"?

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from etexan wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

ninety per cent of us disapprove of our congress but we re-elect over 85 per cent of them. What does that tell you?

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from Tim Platt wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I was just sitting here thinking Obama is an excellent shot. He had no trouble shooting down my dreams of ever retiring...

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

etexan,
It tells me that we are a nation of lemmings following the piper who promises a handout. Almost all of our incumbents are a part of the problem, not the solution!

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from Longbeard wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

etex and WAM: it tells me that the GOP cannot get the best of our party to run - too smart for that. Bobby Jhindal was right.

Bottom line: don't get fooled again.

Good post, DEP. You speak truth...plus, I love it when you cause a stir.

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from Ncarl wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

If Sarah Palin is somehow a "disgrace to hunting" then what does that make Obama to to world of shotgun sports. Defiantly not a hero.

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from shane wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

"Does it kick?" - Sarah Palin in the discussed episode.

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from jonesy43 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

sarha palin is a hunting cheif i like a politician who shoots guns and hunts

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from O Garcia wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

and now, presenting Joe Biden:

Biden Says a Shotgun Will Scare off Intruders
By NEDRA PICKLER Associated Press
WASHINGTON February 20, 2013 (AP)

Vice President Joe Biden said Tuesday that Americans don't need semi-automatic weapons to protect their homes because a couple of blasts from a shotgun will scare off intruders.

"Buy a shotgun, buy a shotgun," the vice president encouraged those worried about defending themselves. He was speaking in an online video as part of a Facebook town hall hosted by Parents Magazine on the administration's strategy for reducing gun violence, which he has led at the direction of President Barack Obama.

Biden said he keeps two shotguns and shells locked up at home and he's told his wife, Jill, to use them if she needs protection. He presumably was speaking about before he became vice president, a position that gives the couple full-time Secret Service protection.

"I said, 'Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony ... take that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house,'" Biden said. "You don't need an AR-15. It's harder to aim, it's harder to use and in fact, you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself."

Biden's answer came in response to a question posted by a Facebook user about whether the administration's proposal to ban military-style assault weapons and high-capacity magazines would make law-abiding citizens more of a target of criminals since they wouldn't have a sufficient way of protecting themselves. Biden bristled at the question, saying he's never heard such sentiments in the pages of Parents Magazine.

"But I'm delighted to answer them," he added quickly.

Biden said he learned his lessons on gun safety from his father, who was a hunter. He said as a child, he wasn't even allowed to point a cap gun at other children while playing cops and robbers. He said most gun owners are very responsible, but parents should make sure guns are locked up to keep children safe, just like pool gates and liquor cabinets.

He also said he doesn't think the Second Amendment's right to bear arms should be changed. He said limits on the use of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines is compatible with that right.

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Fire two blasts outside the house. Never mind what you're going to hit.

Priceless. What an idiot.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

10jolsen, Concerning your comment "when lying lead to war"

Let me throw some history your way...

In 1980, war was declared on the United States by many of the factions of religious zealots which live in the middle east.

In 1982 a bunch of these SOB's from the middle east bombed barracks in Beirut, killing 250 Marines. Shortly after that they bombed an embassy in Kenya, killing 150. They bombed Flight 103, killing 250. They bombed the USS Cole, killing 27. They bombed the World Trade Center in 1990. In between these bombings were numerous lessor bombings, so common they only made 3rd page news.

After all of this, we did nothing.

We paid the price for this mistake on Sept 11th.

I am assuming the lie you refer to is the fact we did not find weapons of mass destruction. Who cares? After 20 years of terror, the United States and the world was justified to invade any country which harbored hamas, hezballoh, al queda and taliban. They obviously had weapons of mass destruction because they've killed thousands over the years.

I have left out the "grotesquerie" of political rhetoric for your amusement.

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from Steward wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I don't care whether the President or anyone else in office knows which end of a gun to hold, as long as the fulfill their oath to uphold and protect the Constitution and do their job of representing the American people...even gun owners.

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from jjas wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

We all know that politicians would say/do just about anything to get elected/re-elected.....

What I find interesting is that for all the complaining that we all do about our leaders in Washington...90% the members of the House and Senate that ran for re-election in 2012...won....

Whose fault is that?

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Dave, reminds me of the old joke:

"How can you tell when a politician is lieing"
"His lips are moving"

The worst ever was John Kerry. He told stories of "belly crawling with his trusty SXS for a 16 point Buck". Since none of us ever remembered Anti-Gun Kerry ever hunting...we tried to get the data from the State. Once the state figured out what was going on...they claimed all records were no longer available. However, the best was him admitting that he and his staff had guns at his home...but no one could find a Massachusetts FID card in his name. No FID card in Massachusetts..."mandatory one year in jail".Once again, "records unavailable".
You did a good job above...except one thing...we need to be fair with Palin.
The instance with Palin was filmed. Her Dad and his pal were the other two hunters. She had no gun.Her father wanted her to shoot a Caribou with his family heirloom gun. Moments before her Dad, an older gentleman had fallen down a hill and his gun went tumbling knocking the scope out.
Later, when they got to her animal, He insisted she use his gun. She took it and shot over the animal's back. She told him something was wrong...but he insisted she shoot again...same thing. The friend handed her his gun, which was still sighted in and she took the animal.
Is she a Big Time Hunter? No.Should her father have figured it out,yes. That said,she can't be compared to the other clowns. She did grow up in a Sporting Family,is a legitimate fan and protector of the blood sports and in a clutch....could do what the others couldn't do...figure out how to load a gun.
The Truth is, she is the only one out of the above I'd take to dinner....maybe even a little dancing afterwards. ;)

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Integrity has lost it's way with our political representation. Until we tar and feather politicians for lying, they will continue to be re-elected.

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from focusfront wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Here's another vote for Sarah Palin. I saw the film of her using her dad's 7mm Rem Mag on the caribou; by her second shot she knew something was wrong and did not want to shoot again. Her dad forced her to keep shooting. Back in camp her father couldn't hit a flock of barns with the rifle either and determined that Sarah had not been at fault. You couldn't have hit that bull with that rifle, Dave.

And no, she is not a dummy. Listen to her talk about Alaska, or energy, or the oil industry; she has forgotten more than our fuhrer's smartest advisor will ever know. The pundits made her look foolish by asking her Washington insider questions; questions that you could not answer, either. A liberal woman with her background and qualifications would have had the pundits running the streets proclaiming, "We have a Queen!" I deeply regret that her political career seems to be over; she'd make a great senator or representative from Alaska.

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from focusfront wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Oh, and I could live the whole rest of my natural life without a thirty round magazine. What is so infuriating about this whole debate is the asininity of the entire thing. For openers it should not be possible for a government that serves its people, rather than the other way around, to arbitrarily take things from them. Second, none of this addresses the problem. If the pilots and co-pilots of the planes hijacked on 911 had each had a five shot Smith j-frame in his pocket, there would have been no 911. They still do not have them, although almost every pilot is ex-military and well-familiar with guns. They don't have them, so we must stand in line for an hour and a half at the airport and have our packages... ALL of them... hand searched. If you told an Israeli that the way to keep nuts from breaking into schools or buses and shooting them up is to establish gun free zones, he'd look at you as if you had just arrived from Fairyland. Truth is, if you were visiting Israel from the USA, these days he'd be right.

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from keithjoyner wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sarah Palin's "guide" did not yank the rifle away from her due to her lacking skills, he exchanged a rifle whose scope had not been knocked out of alignment. And, truthfully, would a "normal" politician or great TV hunter have allowed the full video to have been shown. It would have been quietly cut out of the segment. I truly believe this shows more about her character than any one-shot kill ever could have.

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from ishawooa wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Where are the likes of Abe who used to shoot behind the Whitehouse or Teddy hunting in the west or Africa or capping varmints on Long Island with a silenced Model 94 so he would not upset the Duponts and Tiffanys? Ike hunting upland or waterfowl and Ronnie shooting just for fun also come to mind. We need this type of president so badly, not just for their use of firearms but for their common sense and reasonable thinking.

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from MidnightBanjo wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

"and if that’s good enough for him to hunt with, why would anyone need an assault weapon and high-capacity magazines?" I have only needed one shot with every deer I've taken. My rifle will hold 4 in the mag and one in the pipe. Do I take it to the field that way? Yup, because I want to! I use my "assault weapon and high-capacity magazines" for coyotes, piggies, and general shooting, and yes I fully load the mag. For me, as well as many others of you out there I would hazard a guess to say that its not a matter of "need", but of "want". Who are they to tell me different?

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from MReeder wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Got to add my dittos to some of the others who corrected DEP about Palin. I watched that show, too, from start to finish, and the problem was the rifle; not her. Her dad had taken a spill with it earlier and obviously knocked the scope out of kilter. She told him immediately that something was wrong after the first miss, but neither her dad nor the family friend that was along (not a guide) got the memo. They were the ones who got flustered; not her, probably because they knew a camera was rolling and they're not used to having one around. They checked her dad's rifle later back in camp and it was a mile off. She didn't have any trouble at all taking that same caribou down with one shot once she switched rifles. It's also pretty evident from family photos and trophies that predate her political career that she and her entire family have been hunting and shooting their entire lives. Palin's taken enough undeserved flack without taking it from fellow shooters. As for the others, from McCain to Obama, DEP is right on target.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

buckhunter,
You have to forgive the ignorant among us who have been brainwashed by the public schools and liberal media. Most of them would not make a good pimple on the ass of any of the soldiers, sailors, Marines, and airmen who have served and sacrificed for this country anyway. They are full of hate and tell as many lies as those they accuse and insult. Problem is, they think it is the truth. Sad.

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from focusfront wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Safado:

My heart agrees with you, but my head says that if we wish to remain gun nuts, and unless being a gun nut means shooting a single-shot rifle or shotgun that we check out of a public armory, we cannot bury our heads in the sand while the world goes on around us.

Jerry507:

There's an old saying; "Don't bite the hand that feeds you." Back in the '90s the NRA did go along with the compromisers for a while; a costly lesson that lost us some rights for years. A costly lesson yes, but a lesson learned; the NRA now knows that there is no dealing with these people, and stands firm against ANY violation of our rights. The NRA only represents a tiny fraction of American gun owners, yet is usually the organization that is on the spot whenever our rights are in danger. Don't confuse friendship with the gun industry with being in that industry's pocket; if you owned a gun factory, how could you NOT like the NRA?

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I just heard a funny line delivered by Bernard, from the Imus Show.
"Obama shooting a gun is about as realistic as a picture of Gov. Christie on a treadmill"

LMAO

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from 99explorer wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

The prez would have us believe that he, as a fellow gun owner, is willing to share our sacrifice in gun freedoms if it would save only one life, etc.
Hundreds of thousands of American lives have been sacrificed to secure and preserve our freedoms, and we are now asked to give some of them up to save one life.
It does not compute.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I have a friend at Camp David on the presidential security detail, so maybe he could verify if the Prez actually shot trap. But then I'd have to kill you if I told you.....

Petzal, I think this is one of the more incisive statements you have made. Bravo

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I find it all very amusing. The GOP equivalent would have to be on the order of Romney telling everyone he used to be married to a dude.

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from Tim Platt wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I was just sitting here thinking Obama is an excellent shot. He had no trouble shooting down my dreams of ever retiring...

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from nc30-06 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Buckhunter, you are dead on right. So are you haverodwilltreavel.

Great points and writing Dave.

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from focusfront wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

How did Sarah Palin disgrace hunting?

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from larson014 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

"There’s no evidence, however, that aside from this one shot, he has actually completed a round of skeet."

exactly, it was a photo op... nothing more...

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from bullock wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Mumblypeg, grumble, pretty soon he'll be callin himself Riff Raff Sam, the riffiest raff that ever riffed a raft north, south, east, and west of the Pecos. If that person (for he is certainly not a man) expects people with as little as an ounce of common sense to believe his lies, then he has to be the biggest fool that ever drew a breath.

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from 2011Silverado wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Well bullock, I don't disagree. But 51% of our voting fellow Americans are just as foolish for electing him.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Well, at least he is out of the closet as a gun user....

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Dave,
Please don't stop writing.

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from argoman wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Wisc14, i hope you are not from Wisconsin, because if you are, your'e giving my home state a bad rap. that is unless you are 14 years old, then all is forgiven

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from nwild wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Seeing that puff come out the top of the barrel, my first thought: 'Pussy.'

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from DSMbirddog wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I think your last paragraph sums up BHO's knowledge and experience shooting skeet.

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from NHshtr wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Looks like he's using a new Browning product. It shoots blackpowder, and has a port on only one side, unless...., nah, they wouldn't do that...would they?

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from PbHead wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Dave, you make me think. I wonder who the last president was that actually had a hunting license. Also, I seem to remember that Winchester would present the current president with an engraved Model 94. When did this practice stop?

BTW, if you visit the Eisenhower home in Gettysburg PA, you used to be able to view some of his guns. IIRC a Model 70 in 22 Hornet and a couple of very nice Colt revolvers were on display.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Something William F. Buckley said that should be on the walls of congress and in every school room...

"HARD CASES MAKE BAD LAW."

20 people are murdered and 320,000,000 should give up their basic constitutional rights to pay for their sin of enjoying freedom.

The fathers of this country thought this right was so important, the only rights they placed ahead of it was freedom of religion and speech.

nobama has already trampled on the 1st Amendment and as proof, there are a great many lawsuits being filed against nobamacare. He doesn't govern by the will of the people, he rules by decree!

It may be tyranny light for now but wait until this becomes a one-party state when millions of criminals here illegally are handed their ballots...

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from HeidelbergJaeger wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

as soon as I saw the obama photo with him shooting a ported shotgun, all I could think of was "Awww skeet, skeet, skeet"

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from rock rat wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

We were at a friend's house with some other couples when I first saw that picture. All us guys started talking about the smoke, and his stance, and elbows. The women started talking about how good he looked in jeans and what a lucky gall Michelle was.

You play B-ball Dave?

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from Ncarl wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

"Also, someone should tell him to get his elbows up"

Thats exactly what I told him. Check out my post under "Obama shooting gunz" on the backlash and blowback section!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Focusfront,
Not so sure we don't have a "Queen" now! LOL

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

etexan,
It tells me that we are a nation of lemmings following the piper who promises a handout. Almost all of our incumbents are a part of the problem, not the solution!

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from shane wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

"Does it kick?" - Sarah Palin in the discussed episode.

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from etexan wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

ninety per cent of us disapprove of our congress but we re-elect over 85 per cent of them. What does that tell you?

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from Trapper Vic wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I saw the Presidents picture on msnbc also. 1st off use ear plugs instead of those bulky muffs when shooting moving targets with a shot gun. They just get in your way. Maybe he should invite chaney over? Second thought maybe not!

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from O Garcia wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

and now, presenting Joe Biden:

Biden Says a Shotgun Will Scare off Intruders
By NEDRA PICKLER Associated Press
WASHINGTON February 20, 2013 (AP)

Vice President Joe Biden said Tuesday that Americans don't need semi-automatic weapons to protect their homes because a couple of blasts from a shotgun will scare off intruders.

"Buy a shotgun, buy a shotgun," the vice president encouraged those worried about defending themselves. He was speaking in an online video as part of a Facebook town hall hosted by Parents Magazine on the administration's strategy for reducing gun violence, which he has led at the direction of President Barack Obama.

Biden said he keeps two shotguns and shells locked up at home and he's told his wife, Jill, to use them if she needs protection. He presumably was speaking about before he became vice president, a position that gives the couple full-time Secret Service protection.

"I said, 'Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony ... take that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house,'" Biden said. "You don't need an AR-15. It's harder to aim, it's harder to use and in fact, you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself."

Biden's answer came in response to a question posted by a Facebook user about whether the administration's proposal to ban military-style assault weapons and high-capacity magazines would make law-abiding citizens more of a target of criminals since they wouldn't have a sufficient way of protecting themselves. Biden bristled at the question, saying he's never heard such sentiments in the pages of Parents Magazine.

"But I'm delighted to answer them," he added quickly.

Biden said he learned his lessons on gun safety from his father, who was a hunter. He said as a child, he wasn't even allowed to point a cap gun at other children while playing cops and robbers. He said most gun owners are very responsible, but parents should make sure guns are locked up to keep children safe, just like pool gates and liquor cabinets.

He also said he doesn't think the Second Amendment's right to bear arms should be changed. He said limits on the use of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines is compatible with that right.

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Fire two blasts outside the house. Never mind what you're going to hit.

Priceless. What an idiot.

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from Giggidy-Giggidy wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

The wisest thing I've ever heard about politicians, is that you must read their lips, because they're talking out their @$$

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from rock rat wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

We were at a friend's house with some other couples when I first saw that picture. All us guys started talking about the smoke, and his stance, and elbows. The women started talking about how good he looked in jeans and what a lucky gall Michelle was.

You play B-ball Dave?

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from Longbeard wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

etex and WAM: it tells me that the GOP cannot get the best of our party to run - too smart for that. Bobby Jhindal was right.

Bottom line: don't get fooled again.

Good post, DEP. You speak truth...plus, I love it when you cause a stir.

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

you forgot about when both obama and bloomberg both said there is absolutely no way that they would allow armed security in our kids schools, yet obama sent armed guards with his kids everyday to school since the newtown shooting and bloomberg has more armed guards around him with more ammo than the average citizen. every politician that i know is a lying scumbag hypocrite with money. that's why they get in.

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from coachsjike wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

haverodwilltravel,
gov christie got awfully aggressive on that jelly doughnut the other night on letterman though!!

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from CL3 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Politicians are poseurs? No way.

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from Ncarl wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

If Sarah Palin is somehow a "disgrace to hunting" then what does that make Obama to to world of shotgun sports. Defiantly not a hero.

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from jonesy43 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

sarha palin is a hunting cheif i like a politician who shoots guns and hunts

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from Occasional Outd... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Your were wrong on Sarah Palin. I'm not her fan but you also did not do your legwork or at least a you tube research. She missed the animal because the scope was not zeroed. I watched that entire show and I can tell Sarah is one hell of an outdoors person and mildly a gun nut too, to say the least. I own three shotguns, 4 pistols and 5 rifles. I feel guilty just thinking of buying another one. Before I heard the phrase "gun control" from the media, my wife already drilled that in my brain. We, gun owners are sometimes way too touchy about our ownership. I can't add any one more five cent worth of argument in favor of gun rights because for all I know, it is the gun manufacturers who are raking big bucks profiting from any item related to shooting. Wheww, shooting sports is becoming a real expensive hobby. Can you write about how they can tone down the ringer in their cash register?

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from myopicjazz wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Petzal has been corrected about his comments regarding Palin shooting at the caribou before. I like his writing but he doesn't seem interested in learning what actually happened.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Here is a nearly foolproof way of selecting representatives...oddly it comes from a woman.

Keep in mind nobama is a product of Chicago politics - the dirtiest political city in the dirtiest political state and his is a lifetime spent in political theater.

"We cannot live without the earth or apart from it, AND SOMETHING IS SHRIVELED IN A MAN'S HEART WHEN HE TURNS AWAY FROM IT AND CONCERNS HIMSELF ONLY WITH THE AFFAIRS OF MEN."
Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings - "Cross Creek" 1942

Golf on a manicured lawn doesn't count.

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from SgtLumpy wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Smoke from Obama's Shotgun Muzzle - Appears to be a ported barrel. Does that qualify as a "muzzle brake/flash reducer-hider"? If so, would that classify it as an "assault weapon" if DiFi or Big O's assault weapons ban were reinstated, now with the "rule of ONEs" instead of the earlier, and just as rediculous "role of TWOs"?

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from 1ojolsen wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Buckhunter I can assume then that you boiled some tar and denuded some roosters during the last administration when the lying lead to a war.

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from wisc14 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

jjas: the reason the same foks are always re-elected is because most people in this country have become so brainwashed by one party that they only vote republican or only vote democrat. they don't vote for actual people just parties. it doesn't matter who you are if you run democrat in california or republican in texas you are basically guranteed victory

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from wisc14 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

can't believe someone defended sarah palin....she is a disgrace to the sport of hunting

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from Safado wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I thought this was the 'Gun Nuts'? I would like to see the discussion go back to shotguns and rifles, calibers, reloading and product reviews. I find the negative criticism of the sitting President of the Unites States disturbing! I come to this blog for the interaction between hunters and shooters; that I find useful, informative and at times entertaining. Can we limit these discussions to the 2nd Amendment blog or anywhere else? I'm sure I've offended some of the hard core Obama haters...too bad! We all get one vote and have come out on the losing side before. If you voted and your guy lost get over it, if you didn't vote shut up!!!

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from Jerry507 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

As if defaming the NRA or holding a F grade means anything. Many gun owners seem to think the NRA stands guard for your right to keep and bear arms. The reality is they guard the butts of the industry that sells them to you, and zealously restricts any measure that would limit the sale of guns, to criminals or law abiding citizens.

And you know better, the 2nd amendment doesn't protect your right to hunt or your right to hunt with the guns you want. It's bad enough all the straight up political commentators don't understand that, but that a gun commentator doesn't is perhaps doubly sad.

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