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February 13, 2013

Sarah Palin's Shooting

By David E. Petzal

In my previous post, I was surprised that no one defended John McCain against my accusation that he’s at least partly nuts, which probably means that he is at least partially nuts. Some of you, however, took umbrage at my interpretation of Sarah Palin botching the shooting of a caribou. I felt so poorly about this that I went back and re-viewed the tape (You can see it below. It runs about 3 ½ minutes) and it made me even more depressed than I was before.

Ms. Palin is an extremely inexperienced shooter.

First, she allows her dad and the guide, who are both apparently nitwits, to jabber at her continually throughout the performance, make suggestions, swap rifles when it turns out that the first one has a bum scope (!), and allow her to blaze away at a moving animal.

An experienced shooter knows that when he (she) picks up a gun, he (she) is responsible for it, and the way it works. If you have doubts about its safety, you don’t use it. Before you shoot at something living, you check to see if it’s sighted in. Period. No excuses.

If nitwits are yammering at you, you tell them to shut the f**ck up because you can’t concentrate. No experienced shooter would put up with their nonsense.

An experienced shooter would not ask if a rifle kicks before using it in the heat of battle. That would not be uppermost in their mind; getting the animal down would be.

Why, before the fatal shot was fired, did the editor of the film superimpose a bogus crosshair on the poor dopey caribou? Why do we not see Ms. Palin firing the rifle? Is it because she did not do the shooting?

Finally, look at the way she carries the rifle as the party walks up to the late lamented ungulate. No experienced shooter carries a rifle like this.

I have nothing in particular against Sarah Palin. But I do believe in watching politicians with a critical eye, especially if they try to palm themselves off as something they’re not. She undoubtedly hunts, and is undoubtedly is OK with guns, but to say that as a shooter she’s anything but a rank beginner is wishful thinking.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Regardless of political persuasion, one has to agree that Ms. Palin is a rank amateur when it comes to firearms and hunting. If she is so accomplished, why does she need to be videotaped in the first place? I lover her political views on guns and hunting, but wish she would not try to be one of "us" as she clearly is not. All hunting shows are hokey, this one included....

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from CL3 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Wasn't her 15 minutes up about 3 years ago?

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from GregMc wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

She doesn't even cycle the bolt herself.
That's no hunter.

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from elkslayer wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

That was even worse than all the hunting shows that have their "token female hunter" who can only follow orders and still looks confused about what is happening.

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from jjas wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I was a Sarah Palin fan for about 15 minutes during the 2008 convention.

Then she tried to answer questions on policy instead of speaking in sound bites and she came across as someone drowning in their own lack of experience and ignorance of the subject matter.

This "hunt" comes across the same way.....

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Not to be a Richard Noggin! but I think you took this a little to personal. Who really gives a flying duck, other than you and some liberal tree huggers? Yes McCain is a nutjob typical politician that cares more about his ego and legacy than the people he represents. I thank him for his service to this country and am glad he could overcome extreme adversity, but being a POW doesn't qualify you to run a country much more diverse than the towelheads living in a kitty litter box.

"First, she allows her dad and the guide, who are both apparently nitwits, to jabber at her continually throughout the performance, make suggestions, swap rifles when it turns out that the first one has a bum scope (!), and allow her to blaze away at a moving animal"

I watch hunting shows all of the time and EVERY last one of them the guides are wispering in the hunters ear telling them to get the animal in their sights, take your time, take a deep breath, when said animal turns broadside take your shot. So I'm not going to get my panties like you in a bunch over that, just nitpicking if you ask me. As for her shooting yes she missed what 5 times prior to switching guns and took one shot at a running animal which I do all the time along with many here that either will admit it or won't but they do. So I have no problem. While you were nitpicking apart the whole video you missed the one issue that is more important than the scope, the nitwits talking to her, shooting at a moving animal, etc... when she switched guns as she was flailing around she had her finger on the trigger the whole time! I know your a self avowed curmudgeon but don't let that get in the way of using the ole' Noggin!!!

Side Note. Lets get off of the whole Sara Palin thing she's been abused enough and is no longer in the spot light other than when the liberals are having a slow news day!

Now lets go shoot if you can find some d@mn ammo!

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from fordman155 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

While Sarah Palin may have plenty of time outdoors, that does not make her a good hunter or deft with a rifle. She looks like a rank amateur. I have to wonder why her dad was working the bolt. She is a fine speaker for what is right with American individualism and achievement, but not the actual hunting of big game with a rifle.

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from 357 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

that was painful to watch

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from Tim Platt wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

You will not find me trying to defend any politician. Right or left they are all corrupt and selling their country out to the highest bidder. As has been previously mentioned I see no reason to single Sarah out, she is pretty much irrelevant to politics today.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Let's talk about the TV celebrities who have run afoul of the law with game violations next, shall we? Palin is irrelevant ot the hunting scene anyway.

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

WAM, Lets not! All it breaks down to is personal likes and dislikes for someone without looking at the facts or finger pointing saying ahhhh, s/he should have known and blahblahblah!

If we're going to talk about people lets discuss Matt Damon's dum bass! "I'm not using the restroom until every person on earth has clean water"! I say well good I hope your intestines explode because you have always been full of $h!t!!! Or other Hollywood idiots.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I think Sarah is cute. So she is forgiven.

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from Ncarl wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

If were done with Sarah Palin and her hunting experiences let me stir the pot. What do you all think of Paul Ryan and his hunting experiences?

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from MICHMAN wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

The day after the Pres. of the USA actively promotes gun control in the SOTUA we spend time debating whether or not Sarah Palin is a worthy shooter/hunter? SP has been very supportive of guns and hunting and this is what she gets for her efforts. Criticism from the shooting/hunting, blogger/forum. In-fighting is not productive. Our rights are currently under attack and that is where the legitimate fight is! Same goes for all of the attackers of Ted Nugent. Ted is on the front-line, actively fighting for gun and hunting rights and there are many who wish to point at the speck in his eye for being ticketed for unheard of laws. Wake up. That is the problem. Big Government and it's extreme excess of legislation is eroding our FREEDOM! VP Biden publically anounces that we can't enforce our current laws and yet his ONLY solution for curbing gun violence is MORE LAWS!

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

AMEN! Michman!

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from cb bob wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I'm not sure who thought it would be a good idea to release this tape. It doesn't make her look good, or hunting, or shooting in general.

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from JCB wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

A polished pro she is not. But she is better looking than all the male TV host/hunters. At least she went on a fair chase hunt. Unlike the TV host/hunters who slaughter deer, that were raised like a crop, and shot over bait plots, from heated sky boxes, off a bench with sand bags.

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from Carl Huber wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Given the conduct of political figures in the last few decades. The only one I could forgive out right would be Kate Upton. This would be on face value.

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from MaxPower wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Good call MICHMAN, let's not allow petty differences or personal dislikes divide us

As far as Palin goes, not all MILF's can shoot.

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from Tim Platt wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

And who was the last true presidential politician who was an accomplished big game hunter? Theodore Roosevelt over 100 years ago? The times they are a changing.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I think the whole thing is she is/was so stupid that she really did not know that releasing the tape would make her look stupid. Which, I have to agree, makes it look to me like she doesn't have a clue about hunting, handling guns, or any of that other grass-roots America crap she claims to stand for.

Dave Petzal took some heat for his off-hand remarks about the silliness he initially observed. He didn't like that so he reviewed the tape and has now provided blow-by-blow details in support of his original position. I appreciate clarity. I'm sure that if his review would have shown he'd been too hard on the gal, he would have been man enough to say so. Seems to me he wasn't hard enough on her since he missed the critical finger-on-the-trigger that Dcast caught. A twelve year-old kid fresh out of hunters safety would have known better than that! The gal was out there with a gun in her hand and didn't have a clue. And what about all the anti-liberal guys (Dcast included as I recall) who have tried to claim Obama's skeet shooting abilities are a farce? That may or may not be (I didn't see anything glaringly wrong with the photo), but there's no doubting Ms Palin is the proverbial boob in the woods.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Michman: Nugent being "ticketed for unheard of laws"? Are you kidding? Everyone in California it seems, except possibly Ted Nugent, knows you can't bait deer there or shoot undersized bucks. Ted Nugent is out for Ted Nugent. He's a ruthless game hog and a self-serving grandstander who uses gun rights to exploit his own personal financial agenda. He will no doubt continue to break game laws till he lands in some county where a judge isn't overly influenced by the kitty tail hanging out of his pants and gives him the punishment he deserves. Then he won't be hunting any longer in most of the US states.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Let's not comment on Ms. Palin's physical attributes or use disparaging comments like "MILF" when describing a lady like Ms. Palin, no more than we should use comments like that about your sister or mother, unless you are willing to post pictures of them for all the low lifes to comment on.....

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from Pathfinder1 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Hi...

Don't even know how to evaluate three people posing as Larry, Curly and Moe hunting...!! Actually, they probably would have done better...!!

What a bunch of ignorant dorks. Not able to hit a caribou fully exposed...and standing still (posing?) on the skyline.

Their lack of understanding of how to properly handle firearms borders on the obscene.

Even Helen Keller could have shot more accurately than those three would-be hunters...!!

The only thing lacking was a movie director with a megaphone...!!

Other than that...something good can still come of it...that video can always serve as a bad example...!!

(Does anyone get the impression that that video didn't sit to well with me...??).

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from New Age Bubba wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Palin's charade isn't different from any other pol's attempt to demonstate their woodcraft skills, except her "grizzly momma" persona is, according to her, central as to why we should vote for her and she broadcasts this boast loudly.

Amazing how hard it is to fake years of actual experience (and mistakes, trial and error, etc.) in a faked video.

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from Sanjuancb wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Spot on Petzal. Palin's attempt to market herself as "Firearm Barbie" was nothing more than pandering to the lowest common denominator in her target audience. Of course we'd all like to see a nice-looking gal with shooting/hunting prowess. However, once the camera came on it was all to clear that it was nothing but a farce.

Someone doesn't have to be Kim Rhode to stand up for gun rights, but if you are going to talk the talk then you had damn well better be able to walk the walk. Mrs. Palin simply didn't...

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from Robert Dawson wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Is there anything to be gained from trashing Sarah Palin? Alright..she needs shooting lessons. And she never should have put it out for us to watch.
It's cheap and easy to criticize her her clumsiness. She isn't the first or last politician or pundit who has made a fool of themselves. Everyone get over it!

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from rock rat wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

You guys are unreasonably harsh on ol caribou Barby. She was brave enough to just let the video go out, warts and all, authenticity is worth something. No one ever took her to be a real hunting or shooting nut, just someone who like most in AK is exposed to it through family and friends. If you really thought she was a dedicated hunter or shooter, stop voting, your not intellectually up to the task.

Speaking of which, she is not a dingbat, or dumb. She's just unsophisticated, not versed in current affairs, uncurious. What IS really dumb is that she came this close to being a heartbeat away from running the country.

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from Greg Hart wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I saw this clip when it first aired and I thought it odd that she had her father work the bolt. I thought it demonstrated a clear lack of understanding on how a firearm works, and I feel it's extremely irresponsible to go hunting without having a basic understanding on how your chosen firearm functions. I realize hunting is a learned skill and we all start somewhere, but I feel one should take a few minutes to familiarize themselves with their weapon.

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from NHshtr wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Wow. This blog is brutal! There's plenty of material and people out there to trash.

Let's get back to guns and shooting. Perhaps we should see some prime examples of shooting instead of trashing someone.

Or here's a topic: I can see the reason for the run on ARs and 5.56 and .223 ammo, but why is there a shortage of everything else? Is this similar to the phenomenon of people who flood the supermarket and buy 5 weeks worth of groceries just before a one day storm?

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from MICHMAN wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Which pro-gun advocate attended the memorial service for "American Sniper" Chris Kyle? Sarah Palin. Which gun advocate actively countered BHO's national cry for more gun control? Sarah Palin's friend, Ted Nugent. These two patriots are on the front lines fighting for our rights. It's a good thing that their voices are being heard because I don't see too many others successfully defending gun-owners rights. Unfortunately, their outspoken commentary places a huge bullseye on them and they are often attacked by the main-stream media and anti-gun advocates.

Ontario Honker takes great joy in demeaning these two individuals. Nugent was cited in Alaska for a law that doesn't exist anywhere else and a law that even the judge in that area had never heard of. "Tagging an animal after he had already shot and hit another one. A bear that he marginaly hit through the fur with an arrow." Is it beyond your hateful insight to see that Nugent was targeted by federal law enforcement because of his stand against BHO's administration? (See Nugent's commentary via Deer & Deer Hunting magazine)

I am told that 95% of the American population does not hunt. I am thankful that Palin and Nugent use their "public profiles" to educate and inform. Stop HATING and start EDUCATING!

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Dave....Gentlemen....some of you are sounding like the cute girl at school turned you down for the prom. LMAO!

1.) Please produce any legit source where she claims to be an expert hunter.If that was her intent,why would she ever have let that show air????? Wouldn't she have done what so many "Pros"and ALL politicians do and not even show you the misses?
Edited them out? Her father fell,the other guy wasn't a guide...he was her father's hunting Buddy, they had no guide... she was on a father/daughter bonding trip.Good lord...lighten up.

2.)She's gun and hunter friendly.What's wrong with that? Name me a half dozen female liberal politicians who like us...Hell, name me a half dozen female policians of any ilk who seriously come to the defense of hunting. Please...

3.)Lastly...the talking while on the hunt. I'm hardly an outdoor expert, but both my son and I have guided or been on several hunting shows....I hate to tell you fellas...NO ONE IS JABBERING DURING ANY BIG GAME HUNT. Most times it's the hunter and the cameraman.They hunt just like you or I. After the kill and recovery...they do what we all do they gut the animal and return to camp.THEN... LATER...THEY GO BACK and add all the banter, observations and "How to" from the tree stand, against the turkey tree or from the blind while wearing the same clothes.Seriously,you guys didn't know that?

I'm not her friend, relative nor do I want her to run again....but when we have legit hunting/shooting frauds like Kerry, Clinton and Obama WHO DON'T LIKE US..I have no idea why she has been singled out.

PS...John McCain's heroics need no explanation.I may disagree with many of his stands..but I never saw or read where he even claimed to be a hunter or a shooter.

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from bill4432 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Say what you like. No man knows how to kick a bee's nest like Petzal.

Seriously, he walked by, gave this one an idle swat and we all came out of the woodwork like crazed African honeybees, stinging her, him, each other and ourselves.

I got nine welts on my left ankle alone.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Gees, Michman, are you just going to overlook Nugent's poaching in California? That just didn't happen? The consensus among the bow hunting crowd in Alaska is that Nugent and his guides DID know about the regulation, whether or not the judge had ever heard about it. According to the outdoors writers up there, the new regulation about having to claim a wounded bear was highly controversial and the talk of the bow hunting trade well BEFORE the season opened. And I can certainly find that plausible. So rather than fight an "unjust" conviction for an offense that was by all accounts (except his!) not totally obscure as you maintain, but rather well-known, he took a plea bargain for a misdemeanor and ten grand fine (peanuts for him). There is every indication he knew what the regs were and ignored them anyway. Just like in California. Like I said, his arrogance will catch up with him someday and we'll see his hunting rights go away for a long time in a lot of places. And guys like you will probably still continue to believe everyone is out to get him.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

And I have to say, the idea behind that Alaska regulation is commendable. Everyone who does wound but loses an animal should have to waste their tag. I don't see anything wrong with that. Of course, it's also a regulation that's just about impossible to enforce except with honor system ... or video footage. Just as he did in California, Nugent arrogantly supplied authorities with all the evidence they needed for a conviction on his televised outdoors show. What kind of dork would run footage of that as part of his program anyway? Just what the non-hunting crowd needs to see is some celebrity boff a shot on an animal and then shoot another one. Hell, I'm a hunter and I don't want to see that! He didn't need to put it in his show! Totally tasteless not to mention just plain stupid. Somebody like that is NOT doing us hunters any favors.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Correction: Nugent was filmed wounding the bear but the footage never made it to being aired. Deepest apologies for that incorrect information. Apparently someone on his crew ratted him out. Which brings up the question: if someone on his crew knew about the regulation, wouldn't Nuge also have known about it? We'll never know what the crew knew about what Nugent knew because he took a convenient plea bargain and that was the end of it.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

This is very disturbing to me...

The 2nd Amendment is being ruthlessly attacked by a grossly biased media, everyone in the democRAT party and liberals around the world and what do we do?

We stand in a circle and shoot at each other!!!

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from SL wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I for one don't buy into this idea that hunters/shooters should never criticize each other. The goal should be to put the best face possible out there for the world to see. Putting bafoons like Palin or Nugent out there does absolutely NOTHING to help our side. Just because some hardcore hunters/shooters think they are great because at least they speak up, does NOTHING to help convince the other side. In fact, since lots of hunters/shooters are not exactly fond of these two should tell you something. If many hunters/shooters think they stink as representatives, what do you think the non-shooting public thinks of them?? Not a heck of a lot, that is for darned sure!

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Kudukid, This was the precise goal of the liberals! They run the media throw around rumors randomly, and republicans try like h3ll pandering to all involved in a nonsense issue and shouting each other down to look as if they aren't what the liberals say they are.

Look at the past presidential race. The propaganda put out by liberals is what got Obama a 2nd term.

The war on women
Romney's taxes
Republicans what dirty: air, water, and scorched earth
Republicans want to do away with Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare, etc...

While all this nonsense is going on liberals are dismantleing what made the United States of America great. Yet millions of lemmings voted based on the above stated propaganda ignoring what was slapping them in the face. Now we are discussing Sara Palin and other worthless topics while they continue to dismantle everything American. I guess we deserve what we get for allowing our worthless education system to get away with the dumbing down of our youth in the past and present leading to this point in time. I for one don't care anymore what happens, I'm in a selfpreserving mode of thought until we hit bottom at which time I will be the first fighting to get back out of the hole dug by the idiots among us!

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from Bubba Squirrel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Dave--sorry to hear that your sense of touch is impaired. Here's hoping that your fingers will heal soon.

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from firedog11 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Living in the Washington DC area where the vast majority of idiots on the national scene congregate, I am very surprised that every one is talking about Palin and Nugent instead of listening to what the hoplophobes are spouting out of their pieholes. The constant hue and cry to ban firearms of all sorts especially semi automatics is extremely frightening to me and others active in self defense rights. May I remind everybody that the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with your individual freedom. There are alotta bills pushing everything including total confiscation. Wake up out there and realize that even some of the pro 2nd Amendments supporters both Dem and Rep. are offering up some parts of the 2nd for sacrifice. I wrote a while ago on one of Dave's blogs about the proposals that would be coming out and got a lot of negative votes for speaking my mind, well the bills that are being pushed by the anti freedom forces exceed anything I predicted. The old saying that to eat an elephant you start at the tip of the trunk is being followed by President Jughead and his clown posse.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

For DP:

I looked at the video and didn't see where SP was portrayed as either an experienced hunter or an expert with the rifle. Quite the contrary.

This was a father-daughter hunt and it is not too difficult to understand that she would depend on her Dad for a properly functioning and properly sighted rifle. When I took my young son deer hunting, he depended on me to provide a properly functioning and properly sighted rifle...nothing wrong with that.

Would you tell your Dad to "Shut the f**ck up? Not me!

As far as how she carried the rifle. Despite being unorthodox, it looks to me like it is being carried in a safe manner...no?

Had you or I, or most of the experienced hunters on this site handled ourselves that way, we would rightly expect such criticism and that would be perfectly justified. To criticize a beginner hunter being poorly coached is not where we should be going. It only discourages those new to the sport.

I agree fully that it should not have been put on the airways.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Agreed, SL. I'm sorry but I really have a hard time seeing how Palin being a phony and Nugent being a poacher has a damned thing to do with 2nd Amendment. I applaud Petzal for not looking at things so narrowly. Honestly, sometimes all I think Charlie Manson would have to do to get out of jail is wrap himself in the 2nd Amendment, wave the flag a bit, and all the Constitutionalists would be raising money for his defense, just like they did for poor Nugent who claimed he took the plea in the bear case because fighting it would "bankrupt" him. Pfffft. C'mon Ted! You're worth 20 million bucks. He took the plea because a conviction might mean losing his license to shoot animals in 37 states and BS in all fifty of them. THAT might have bankrupted him. Also, I suspect he really didn't want his fans to hear what else his crew might have had to say in court about his hunting ethics. When people attempt to display themselves as gun or hunting advocates, they BETTER be squeaky clean, at least in their personal record with the two. Lance Alworth was a great athlete. But we now know he is an athletic fraud. That makes him a terrible reflection of American athletics. No sense in trying to put some kind of good spin on him and his accomplishments. Those who do just look ridiculous. I don't think the gun crowd should treat their outlaws with any less disrespect than they deserve just because they wave the 2nd Amendment in the air. Doesn't make us look very credible.

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from Chris Link wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I'm glad people think a poacher who has threatened to kill the president and to suck his gun(or whatever)is a good role model for firearm hunters and owners, or that a clueless republican hack that is pretty is a good rolemodel. With friends like these, who needs enemys.

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from Chris Link wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

er firearm hunters and owners.

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Palin's hunting sequence- I can't tell if that's a sign of inexperience, or bad equipment break with overbearing companions.

Hunter's disagreeing with each other- I believe it was Mr. Hurteau, way back during the time of his Dave's Place days, that ran a series of articles entitled "Idiots Among Us". He posed and supported the idea that it is incumbent upon us to disagree with and drum out or straighten out those amongst us who either shouldn't be trusted with pointy objects or who need to be given some lessons in caution and manners. (I'm not lumping Ms. Palin in here, by the way.)
I couldn't agree more, part of maintaining a good reputation as a group or organization is dependent upon being self policing. Labor Unions, particularly the building trades, used to be fairly good at making sure they were competent and enjoyed the popular opinion of the nation. It wasn't until they decided to protect their own regardless of sloth or fault that the esteem of the public began to be lost.

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from SL wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

"Honestly, sometimes all I think Charlie Manson would have to do to get out of jail is wrap himself in the 2nd Amendment, wave the flag a bit, and all the Constitutionalists would be raising money for his defense,"

Oh man, ain't that the truth!! I often think many hunters/shooters enjoy being looked at as an extremist fringe group. They surely aren't doing much to remove themselves from that image. I know it isn't always easy to do with the liberal minded media who seem to run things, but come on, we surely should be able to recognize that people like Palin and Nugent are not doing anything to enhance our image? Just because they want to open their mouths on the subject of guns and hunting don't make them good spokespeople. We need to encourage people that at least look half way educated, or in Nugent's case, at least look like a half way civilized human being to go and speak on our behalf. Maybe there aren't too many who are willing to do it, but that doesn't mean we need to accept Palin or Nugent by default here.

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from 1uglymutha wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

1. all politicians represent themselves as something they're not. ditto for most,if not all "reality" show participants.
2. judging from the comments to this and all petzal's blog posts, he sure knows how to stir the pot. good for him . brings in lots of ad dollars and the "big bucks" (in more ways than one) for uncle dave.
3. now let's have one of the all time favorites: .270 vs 30-06.

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from sarahhasmyvote wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Congratulations Mr. Petzal,

You have officially joined the the Suzi Parker Club.

It's a very tiresome club with standing room only I'm afraid. You have to be very biased, uninformed, mean spirited, and have a public voice with an agenda.

You can be sure Field & Stream has no interest to me anymore. I prefer reputable sources of information.

And btw, Sarah Palin is a patriot, beyond her years in wisdom, with stellar public accomplishments. You'd be aware of that if you bothered to look beyond the fear mongering liberal lies, exaggerations, and shallow comments.

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from SueZ2U wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sarah Palin has been hunting since she was small, usually with her dad or husband. It has already ben discussed many times- the scope was sighted in, but her dad fell with the gun. It was proven later in the show that the scope was off. It is a TV show, it's drama of course there are people talking, it was not designed to be some serious hunting show, it was designed with regular folks in mind. Her brother said that she asked about the kick, because her mama cut a scope circle around her own eye once. Palin is busy, of course she's not a professional hunter who hunts everyday. Where did she claim to be? Her brother and family have a response to you on Chuck Heath Jr's website that you might find intereting.

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from SueZ2U wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Palin's brother, Chuck Heath Jr. has this, among other things to say:

Petzal implying that Sarah has no experience with guns is akin to the bogus Washington Post story this week that said Sarah is going to work for Al Jazeera. Even a tiny bit of digging would have lead Mr. Petzal to a completely different conclusion.

So please allow me to set some facts straight:

First of all, I can’t recall the first time my sisters and I ever pulled the trigger on a rifle. We were too young to remember. Guns have been a part of my family for generations. My father and I recently wrote a book (Our Sarah: Made in Alaska) that chronicles some of our early hunting experiences...

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from etexan wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Lance Alworth??? you mean Armstrong??

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Okay, now David Petzal is a liberal in good standing at Suzy Parker club? Pffft. Brother! Well, sarahasmyvote, it is a shame that F&S has "no interest to [you] anymore." Seems your interest was rather short lived anyway since you first logged on here when you posted the above contribution.

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from MICHMAN wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

You are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem. Ask yourself, What have I done to fight against those who wish to restrict my freedoms to own guns and hunt? Have you joined the NRA and supported those who support the cause? Have you wrote your local politicians? Have you offered to take someone shooting or hunting who has never been offered the experience?

Bashing those who support our rights is not the answer. If you really must HATE on people then redirect your venom towards those who are determined to take away our rights. There is an extended list of individuals to choose form. Mayor Bloomberg, BHO, Rahn Emanuel, Joe Biden, Rosie O'Donnell, Piers Morgan, David Gregory, Soledad O'Brien, Bill Maher, Joy Behar, Rachel Maddow, Chris Mathews, Andrea Mitchell and quite a few from Hollywood as well.

Once again, are you part of the problem or the solution?

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Heh, heh! Sorry! Guess you can tell I'm an old timer. A slip of the mind. Yeah, I meant Armstrong. My apologies to a truly great athlete.

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from PhilipJames wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

WTF is this article appearing three years after the fact? Is David going to lose his job if he doesn't get more hits on his articles? Is he just a jerkoff? Maybe his change of sexual status is affecting his work life... surgery and the drugs used to deal with such an operation sometimes affects a person for a period after the change... not that there is anything wrong with that and should we be sympathetic?

Sarah's brother answers all the idiotic commentary by this jerkoff...

February 13, 2013

Dear Editor,

As a fan of Field and Stream dating back to my childhood, it was very disheartening to read David Petzal’s hit piece on my father Chuck Heath, and my sister Sarah Palin’s caribou hunt in the TLC show, Sarah Palin’s Alaska. Why Mr. Petzal chose to write something like this nearly three years after the fact is perplexing…a cry for attention perhaps?

I shared the article with my parents and my mother responded by saying, “This is so ridiculous that it doesn’t even merit a response.”

Mom’s probably right but I guess I’m too stubborn to drop it that easily.

Petzal implying that Sarah has no experience with guns is akin to the bogus Washington Post story this week that said Sarah is going to work for Al Jazeera. Even a tiny bit of digging would have lead Mr. Petzal to a completely different conclusion.

So please allow me to set some facts straight:

First of all, I can’t recall the first time my sisters and I ever pulled the trigger on a rifle. We were too young to remember. Guns have been a part of my family for generations. My father and I recently wrote a book (Our Sarah: Made in Alaska) that chronicles some of our early hunting experiences.

So what are the facts? For one, Mr. Petzal leads the reader to believe that Sarah didn’t sight her gun in before the hunt. Totally untrue. The day before they set out after their prey, Sarah and Dad were consistently “driving tacks from 100 yards” (as Dad put it) with Sarah’s .225 Winchester. Those of you who watched the show in its entirety know that while walking across the tundra, Dad slipped and fell while carrying Sarah’s gun. He didn’t realize at the time that he had knocked the scope askew.

When it came time for Sarah to take her shot, she took aim, fired, and missed badly. Dad (or one of the nitwits as Petzal cruely refers to him) is visibly frustrated. After sixty-plus years of continual hunting and big game guiding, he has earned that right. Even at nearly 75 years old, I doubt Petzal could keep up with him. When it becomes obvious that Sarah’s scope is out of whack, she switches guns with Dad’s buddy, Becker. (By the way, Becker is not a guide as Petzal mentions in his piece, nor is he a nitwit).

As Sarah gets ready to fire Becker’s Remington 7mm Magnum, she asks if it has much of a kick. Why? Because her .225 doesn’t kick and she can keep her eye closer to the scope. My mom once had a nasty circle cut around her eye doing the same thing and Sarah never forgot that.

Once Sarah settled in with the 7mm, she dropped her caribou in one shot.

By the way, the day after the hunt, Dad set up some paper plates at fifty yards and couldn’t hit them with the .225. The scope was that far off.

If you doubt any of the things I’ve said perhaps you should talk to some of the people that were actually there. Here are a few of them:

-Stryker Overly – guide from Tok, Alaska
-Greg Jennen – owner of Alaska Glacier Mountain Outfitters in Two Rivers, Alaska
-John Pontz – bush pilot from Unalakleet, Alaska
-Mitch Tanen – Television Producer with Mark Burnett Productions
-Steve Becker – commercial fisherman and hunting buddy

Mitch Tanen in particular had this to say: “I’m sorry to hear that the magazine is calling into question the authenticity of the hunt we showed in that episode. I don’t know how to say it plain enough…the actual hunt and the story of all the events of that hunt as laid out in the episode are all true. There were always no less then ten people following Sarah, your father and Steve Becker during the four-day shoot. So in addition to your father and Steve Becker, an additional producer, at least two camera operators, two audio mixers, several PA’s, a coordinator, medical personnel, safety personnel and at least one of the two bush pilots we depended on to get us out into the bush from Kavik Camp, were there and had eyes on Sarah at the moment she shot the caribou. To suggest that somehow all of these individuals (including me) with our own differing political views would risk the professional reputations some of us have spent a life time building to make up something like that for the good of a television show is both ignorant and insulting.”

Petzal’s piece is full of gaping holes and tarnishes the reputation of everyone who was involved in that hunt.

As Sarah explains, “He’s the typical lying SOB-type that I’ve been dealing with since 2008. I’m very disappointed in Field & Stream for printing his garbage. This made-up fantasy of the columnist ranks right up there with yesterday’s report in the Washington Post that claims I’m working for Al Jazeera. My retort to that one was: ‘Uum, right… and tomorrow I’m having coffee with Elvis at the Mocha Moose in Wasilla.’ Really, these silly people need to get a life!”

Thank you,
Chuck Heath, Jr.

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from SL wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Oh man, Palin obviously can't shoot worth a darn, and then she is using a .225 win to bring down a caribou?? Maybe that cartridge would be sufficient for a skilled shooter, but NO way in hell should someone like her be hunting caribou with a pipsqueak round like that.

I don't give a hoot how her brother is trying to defend her. The more he and others claim that she has been shooting since she was a kid, the MORE the rest of us think she is full of it.

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from weswes088 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I just don't understand why she needed her father to work the bolt on the rifle. That seems both unnecessary and a little unsafe. I don't want anyone touching my gun while I'm shooting, be it at targets or while hunting.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sarah's Brother reminds me of why I like the family and her spunk. She's got guts. Her kids got guts and none of them take any BS from the Main Stream Media.
I didn't think anyone could produce a statement where she claimed to be either an expert hunter or shooter.Just a lover of the outdoors and the bloodsports, just like ME and some other sportsmen here.
So I ask...why not Hillary, since she will be running and claimed to be as expert a shot in her youth as Aniie Oakley....or does the liberal cat have one's tongue.
IMHO there is always a dark reason why some guys and gals hate the pretty girl.I hope she doesn't run because no one AND THEIR CHILDREN, deserve the orchestrated BS this family has gone through. The MSM hate campaign worked....thank God I'm a conservative like her and we don't stoop to the level of the left and behave the same way with Obama's children. The MSM would have a cow.

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from Lynne Stevens wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I agree with all the comments about Sarah Palin not having a clue as to what she was doing, but my main reaction to that video was that I can't imagine any animal just standing around looking stupid while somebody takes five shots at it. I figure it was either tethered or penned in where we couldn't see it.

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from firedog11 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Hey ontario honker you owe an apology to Lance Alsworth ? you did mean Lance Armstrong I hope?

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Strange that we didn't see Sarah drop her caribou with one shot. All we saw was her missing with lots of shots. And really, seeing someone who supposedly has been hunting and shooting guns since Father Time was sucking on Enfalac get a superman case of buck fever over a very young caribou ... likely a cow ... doesn't really project to me an image of extensive experience. And then there's the way she's carrying the gun. Keep in mind they already allegedly smacked up one scope. Perhaps if that's the way her dad taught her to carry guns it might explain how the scope got messed up when he/she fell. Sorry, but I have never seen anyone, not even a newby kid in his first year hunting, carry a gun like that! Just plain weird.

The thing I do when someone accuses me of being a windbag is point them to my photo album. So ... okay, brother dearest, show us the pictures of sis's alleged long history of field accomplishments. That would have shut everyone up. But no pics.

And to Philthy-mouth James, another long-standing one minute member of this forum: As far as I can see Petzal never said anything in the video clip was a lie. And I really don't see where Petzal has done any lying either. Okay, the other guy may not have been a guide (gees, seems like everybody up there who has a gun is a licensed "guide"). Petzal made an assumption there but not a huge leap and really of no consequence as to his valid criticism of Sarah and her gun handling abilities. He certainly doesn't deserve to be called a liar. He assumed that the gun wasn't sighted in before the hunt. The claim has been made that the gun was damaged during the hunt. Okay, that COULD explain things. Maybe Petzal made his assumption of failing to sight in based on his own experience. That doesn't make him a liar. But what about the hunting party's "lies"? No footage of Sarah in her big moment of actually shooting her caribou. No one has bothered to explain that nor has any footage come forward today, nearly three years after the fact. Seems that would be a good way to put a lid on skeptics who wonder if she actually fired the killing shot. But no, Sarah hasn't shown us Sarah actually doing the deed. Wonder why? Petzal said she was carrying and operating the gun like someone who absolutely did not know what they were doing. That's not a lie. It's an observation that none of us who are experienced, no matter what our feelings for Palin are, can deny has merit. But NO explanation from Palin or her brother. Just "Lies, lies, lies." Hey, I saw it! My eyes don't lie. Your dad worked the bolt ... repeatedly! That is not safe and it's just plain weird. It clearly looked like you didn't know how to operate the gun yourself. I'm sorry but what other conclusion could anyone come to? Then you carried the gun like it wasn't a gun. Like you didn't know how to carry a gun. Your response, or lack thereof, makes me question the integrity of the explanation for the missed shots.

I think if this gal had a brain in her head she would have come right out and said, "Yeah, I got buck fever." End of story. That would have explained everything. It happens to the best of us (though rarely for an animal of that meager caliber). And when it does, all manner of crazy looking things can occur. But no. She's gotta go with the "I am an expert because I have been shooting guns since in the womb." Well, that just ain't the right answer! If she had any brains at all she would never have let this footage see the light of day. I simply cannot believe her legendary Dan'l Boone Daddy could have sat through a preview and not put his hands over his face! I am sorry but these people have no brains or credibility. And calling somebody whom they obviously didn't know anything about a liberal liar didn't buy them much. There are times I don't have a great opinion of Petzal's opinions but I give him five stars for calling em likes he sees em on this one knowing the heat is going to get turned up. A Bronze Star for courage!

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from Bonet wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sarah Palin's brother sent the following letter to the editor of Field & Stream in response to this hit piece.
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Dear Editor,

As a fan of Field and Stream dating back to my childhood, it was very disheartening to read David Petzal’s hit piece on my father Chuck Heath, and my sister Sarah Palin’s caribou hunt in the TLC show, Sarah Palin’s Alaska. Why Mr. Petzal chose to write something like this nearly three years after the fact is perplexing…a cry for attention perhaps?

I shared the article with my parents and my mother responded by saying, “This is so ridiculous that it doesn’t even merit a response.”

Mom’s probably right but I guess I’m too stubborn to drop it that easily.

Petzal implying that Sarah has no experience with guns is akin to the bogus Washington Post story this week that said Sarah is going to work for Al Jazeera. Even a tiny bit of digging would have lead Mr. Petzal to a completely different conclusion.

So please allow me to set some facts straight:

First of all, I can’t recall the first time my sisters and I ever pulled the trigger on a rifle. We were too young to remember. Guns have been a part of my family for generations. My father and I recently wrote a book (Our Sarah: Made in Alaska) that chronicles some of our early hunting experiences.

So what are the facts? For one, Mr. Petzal leads the reader to believe that Sarah didn’t sight her gun in before the hunt. Totally untrue. The day before they set out after their prey, Sarah and Dad were consistently “driving tacks from 100 yards” (as Dad put it) with Sarah’s .225 Winchester. Those of you who watched the show in its entirety know that while walking across the tundra, Dad slipped and fell while carrying Sarah’s gun. He didn’t realize at the time that he had knocked the scope askew.

When it came time for Sarah to take her shot, she took aim, fired, and missed badly. Dad (or one of the nitwits as Petzal cruely refers to him) is visibly frustrated. After sixty-plus years of continual hunting and big game guiding, he has earned that right. Even at nearly 75 years old, I doubt Petzal could keep up with him. When it becomes obvious that Sarah’s scope is out of whack, she switches guns with Dad’s buddy, Becker. (By the way, Becker is not a guide as Petzal mentions in his piece, nor is he a nitwit).

As Sarah gets ready to fire Becker’s Remington 7mm Magnum, she asks if it has much of a kick. Why? Because her .225 doesn’t kick and she can keep her eye closer to the scope. My mom once had a nasty circle cut around her eye doing the same thing and Sarah never forgot that.

Once Sarah settled in with the 7mm, she dropped her caribou in one shot.

By the way, the day after the hunt, Dad set up some paper plates at fifty yards and couldn’t hit them with the .225. The scope was that far off.

If you doubt any of the things I’ve said perhaps you should talk to some of the people that were actually there. Here are a few of them:

-Stryker Overly – guide from Tok, Alaska
-Greg Jennen – owner of Alaska Glacier Mountain Outfitters in Two Rivers, Alaska
-John Pontz – bush pilot from Unalakleet, Alaska
-Mitch Tanen – Television Producer with Mark Burnett Productions
-Steve Becker – commercial fisherman and hunting buddy

Mitch Tanen in particular had this to say: “I’m sorry to hear that the magazine is calling into question the authenticity of the hunt we showed in that episode. I don’t know how to say it plain enough…the actual hunt and the story of all the events of that hunt as laid out in the episode are all true. There were always no less then ten people following Sarah, your father and Steve Becker during the four-day shoot. So in addition to your father and Steve Becker, an additional producer, at least two camera operators, two audio mixers, several PA’s, a coordinator, medical personnel, safety personnel and at least one of the two bush pilots we depended on to get us out into the bush from Kavik Camp, were there and had eyes on Sarah at the moment she shot the caribou. To suggest that somehow all of these individuals (including me) with our own differing political views would risk the professional reputations some of us have spent a life time building to make up something like that for the good of a television show is both ignorant and insulting.”

Petzal’s piece is full of gaping holes and tarnishes the reputation of everyone who was involved in that hunt.

As Sarah explains, “He’s the typical lying SOB-type that I’ve been dealing with since 2008. I’m very disappointed in Field & Stream for printing his garbage. This made-up fantasy of the columnist ranks right up there with yesterday’s report in the Washington Post that claims I’m working for Al Jazeera. My retort to that one was: ‘Uum, right… and tomorrow I’m having coffee with Elvis at the Mocha Moose in Wasilla.’ Really, these silly people need to get a life!”

Thank you,
Chuck Heath, Jr

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Firedog, I already made my very embarrassed apology. You'll have to put on your body armor and look up there through the crossfire quite a ways to find it. Alworth is a great man and a credit to sports.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Lynne Stevens: The caribou had obviously lost her herd. And she was a young animal. May have even lost her calf. They often don't act to sharp when on their own.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Bonet, or whoever you are, that's old news. Another of your fellow one-minute-old forum members already posted Heath's rant.

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from Rick Evans wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Who knew F&S was a home for a-holes?

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Rick Evans: You can judge the quality of F&S forum after being an active participant for ... the last five minutes! T-R-O-L-L!

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Ms. Stevens....don't you think it's PETA like to claim that there is such a thing as Fly In Alaskan Caribou Tethering or the penning of wild annimals in the fly in sections of Alaska? Look...if your jealous, just say it instead of taking cheap shots at the woman.

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from John_Frank wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal should be ashamed of himself for writing this article, which is clearly false.

Please see the following letter written by Chuck Heath Jr to the editor of Field & Stream:

February 13, 2013

Dear Editor,

As a fan of Field and Stream dating back to my childhood, it was very disheartening to read David Petzal’s hit piece on my father Chuck Heath, and my sister Sarah Palin’s caribou hunt in the TLC show, Sarah Palin’s Alaska. Why Mr. Petzal chose to write something like this nearly three years after the fact is perplexing…a cry for attention perhaps?

I shared the article with my parents and my mother responded by saying, “This is so ridiculous that it doesn’t even merit a response.”

Mom’s probably right but I guess I’m too stubborn to drop it that easily.

Petzal implying that Sarah has no experience with guns is akin to the bogus Washington Post story this week that said Sarah is going to work for Al Jazeera. Even a tiny bit of digging would have lead Mr. Petzal to a completely different conclusion.

So please allow me to set some facts straight:

First of all, I can’t recall the first time my sisters and I ever pulled the trigger on a rifle. We were too young to remember. Guns have been a part of my family for generations. My father and I recently wrote a book (Our Sarah: Made in Alaska) that chronicles some of our early hunting experiences.

So what are the facts? For one, Mr. Petzal leads the reader to believe that Sarah didn’t sight her gun in before the hunt. Totally untrue. The day before they set out after their prey, Sarah and Dad were consistently “driving tacks from 100 yards” (as Dad put it) with Sarah’s .225 Winchester. Those of you who watched the show in its entirety know that while walking across the tundra, Dad slipped and fell while carrying Sarah’s gun. He didn’t realize at the time that he had knocked the scope askew.

When it came time for Sarah to take her shot, she took aim, fired, and missed badly. Dad (or one of the nitwits as Petzal cruely refers to him) is visibly frustrated. After sixty-plus years of continual hunting and big game guiding, he has earned that right. Even at nearly 75 years old, I doubt Petzal could keep up with him. When it becomes obvious that Sarah’s scope is out of whack, she switches guns with Dad’s buddy, Becker. (By the way, Becker is not a guide as Petzal mentions in his piece, nor is he a nitwit).

As Sarah gets ready to fire Becker’s Remington 7mm Magnum, she asks if it has much of a kick. Why? Because her .225 doesn’t kick and she can keep her eye closer to the scope. My mom once had a nasty circle cut around her eye doing the same thing and Sarah never forgot that.

Once Sarah settled in with the 7mm, she dropped her caribou in one shot.

By the way, the day after the hunt, Dad set up some paper plates at fifty yards and couldn’t hit them with the .225. The scope was that far off.

If you doubt any of the things I’ve said perhaps you should talk to some of the people that were actually there. Here are a few of them:

-Stryker Overly – guide from Tok, Alaska
-Greg Jennen – owner of Alaska Glacier Mountain Outfitters in Two Rivers, Alaska
-John Pontz – bush pilot from Unalakleet, Alaska
-Mitch Tanen – Television Producer with Mark Burnett Productions
-Steve Becker – commercial fisherman and hunting buddy

Mitch Tanen in particular had this to say: “I’m sorry to hear that the magazine is calling into question the authenticity of the hunt we showed in that episode. I don’t know how to say it plain enough…the actual hunt and the story of all the events of that hunt as laid out in the episode are all true. There were always no less then ten people following Sarah, your father and Steve Becker during the four-day shoot. So in addition to your father and Steve Becker, an additional producer, at least two camera operators, two audio mixers, several PA’s, a coordinator, medical personnel, safety personnel and at least one of the two bush pilots we depended on to get us out into the bush from Kavik Camp, were there and had eyes on Sarah at the moment she shot the caribou. To suggest that somehow all of these individuals (including me) with our own differing political views would risk the professional reputations some of us have spent a life time building to make up something like that for the good of a television show is both ignorant and insulting.”

Petzal’s piece is full of gaping holes and tarnishes the reputation of everyone who was involved in that hunt.

As Sarah explains, “He’s the typical lying SOB-type that I’ve been dealing with since 2008. I’m very disappointed in Field & Stream for printing his garbage. This made-up fantasy of the columnist ranks right up there with yesterday’s report in the Washington Post that claims I’m working for Al Jazeera. My retort to that one was: ‘Uum, right… and tomorrow I’m having coffee with Elvis at the Mocha Moose in Wasilla.’ Really, these silly people need to get a life!”

Thank you,
Chuck Heath, Jr.

Mr. Petzal, you the Palin and Heath family, along with all those involved in the hunt a full and complete apology for writing such a false story.

Will you do the right thing? Or are you just another SOB "journalist" who has no concern for the truth?

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from SWHunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sarah Palin is fair "game" because she put herself out there on a reality show. I will critique her just like I would any other celebrity. I don't care about her politics. She showed herself to be a very inexperienced hunter. She marketed herself as an outdoor hunting and fishing mamma grizzly. It was all a facade. She's like any other celebrity who apparently isn't what she markets herself as. And now for any of you who are making rude comments about liberals... I am a proud liberal who enjoys hunting, especially bird hunting. I learned from my daddy when I was a little girl. As an adult woman, I no longer need my daddy to carry my gun And I know how to carry it safely. I also don't need anyone telling where and how to shoot. Apparently Palin does. She needs to put her big girl panties on and realize she came off looking poorly.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Good for you, SWH.

Gad, the Palinites are sure doing themselves a lot of credit with all their five-minute-wonder trolls plugging up this blog with multiple copies of the same "Lies, lies, lies" manifesto from Heath. I'm sure it's by now even beginning to wear pretty thin on many of the die-hard anti-liberals on here. Not the smartest tactic ... but hey whattaya expect from that gal? Certainly not anything with "smart" attached to it.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

OHH,

You should "Cease fire, lock and clear all weapons." You are obviously outgunned and your slip is showing....

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from Safado wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Dave was spot on when he posted it the first time. I did not agree with Dave Petzal's comments last week about the President's shooting and agree with those about Mamma Grizzly, but at least he's being true to the curmudgeon creed. Those of you who claim to be shooters know she's an amateur. Come on, her daddy had to work her bolt!!! I will say this; if it were just a father taking his daughter hunting I would have no problem with her lack of knowledge but she has claimed to be an avid hunter, fisher outdoorsperson!I don't see how this is good for our sport. What do you think an anti thinks when they see someone shoot repeatedly at an animal, miss and keep shooting! It shows a lack of respect for the sport and the animal to fire on live game with a rifle that hasn't been zero'd by a person who can't work their own bolt!Anyone who takes five shots at game and misses all five should take the six shot at the range!!!

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from Adrian Marcato wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sarah Palin is the biggest hoax in American political history.

Yes, it really is that simple.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

You know what I find very interesting both SWHunter and Lynn Stevens both made their VERY first posts on this thread. Both came out of nowhere just to question "Palin's" street cred.
I guess this makes a case for the belief that PETAphiles, Anti-gun nuts and Uber liberals stake out the bloodsport sites just to snipe.Wonder who pays for that Soros, Bloomberg, Cuomo or Newkirk?

Nice try....but you've been exposed....again.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Same goes for Adrian Marcato...first post.

Safado, you have shown yourself to be one more liberal who doen't read before he posts. You have no idea what a Momma Grizzly is, you didn't provide anything documentation where she has claimed to be an expert hunter or shooter. As for Outdoor Skills she OWNS a commercial Salmon fishing enterprize, can out climb and out run you and she probably listens, before she leaps.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Gees, Haverod, are you just going to ignore all the Palenite first-timer trolls? Start checking their posting histories. As far as Stevens goes, cut her some slack. Anyone who didn't know anything about Alaska hunting conditions might wonder what was wrong with that caribou apparently walking around in circles like in a shooting gallery (which it kinda was). She questioned what she saw and I bet more than a few strictly whitetail hunter types were probably also secretly wondering what-the-heck. An unfamiliar person could easily think something was wrong with the picture. SWHunter may be a one-minute wonder but she seemed a bit more credible than the unimaginative redundant trolls the mouth-foaming Palin/Heath family have sicked onto Petzal.

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from SueZ2U wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Anybody that did any research would be able to come up with plenty of pictures of Palin, hunting & fishing. There is an old pic right on her brothers website. There is another in her book. In fact if anyone looked at the rest of the TLC show, there are two different clay-pigeon shooting episodes, plus a bear-safety course, with her drilling a charging bear target.
The Palin family has commercial fished for years. Sarah and her girlfriends have shot clay-pigeons for years. One of her baby showers was held at the local gun-club. I can't think of any politician in recent years, who has been more one-of-the-folks than Sarah Palin, butdon't let a little facts or research get in the way of your Palin Derangement Syndrome, or your desire for internet hits. I see that the anti-Palin loons have already shown up. The funniest part is half of these Palin-bashers showing up, are libs who had a fit that she shot a caribou to begin with.

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from SueZ2U wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Don't know why the caribou didn't run, but they were up close to the north slope in the wide open. The noise of the shots probably didn't have much to bounce off of. The show makes it plain that the caribou was a younger, small one. In fact her daughter was most unimpressed when she brought it home. It is a TV show- it is going to be much different than hunting in real life. Hard to hunt with tons of people following you around. And no one sicced anybody on Petzel. People are just sick of all the smears and lies that become facts in the mind of ignorant people. How many people know that she never said that she can see Russia from her house?

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from labrador12 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

DEP and The Honkster aren't gaining any credibility from me in dissing SP. My Senators are Chuck Schumer and Gillibrand, and my Gov is A Coumo. I would trade those MFers in for SP in a heartbeat. I spend several months each year in Ak and would love to make the move and belive me, the thought of having to live in a state with a Gov like SP as opposed to what I have is laughable. I know a pile of people in Ak that think SP was a way better Gov than Murkowski, and that she isn't half the horse's patut that Biden is.

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from willegge wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

The last time I posted on this cite was this last time this ASS David Petzal attacked the good Governor Palin. It is obvious to me that the negative comments against governor Palin are wanna-bees, guys who hunt a little and really have never been hunters.They have been on the odd trip maybe, but in their own minds they are experts, most of their hunting is watching videos, or going to Cabala's trying to promo-gate their little fantasy that they live the hunters life. Most of the people with your snobbery against the Gov. couldn't come near Sarah Palin or her good father in true hunting experience. Your full of it. I have hunted most north American game, and was taught by real hunters as a young man. Governor Palin is just fine. She had a clean kill with a gun she was not used to. I like the fact they did not hide the reality, some times in the great outdoors there is unpredictability. But one thing is predictable, the liberal idiots on this cite and the twit Petzal, who does not have a clue what he is talking about. Lastly, real hunters are humble, and don't promo gate a lie about hunting, they know they are not perfect hunters, with perfect scenarios and respect those who also love the sport, promote the freedom to do it, and the joy of a father and daughter getting some meat for the freezer. Good Job Governor Palin, and a great shot.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Honker.....you are reaching. It is obvious the 3 Anti-Palin first time posters are Anti-Blood Sport Board Hangers. I am the moderator for another Blood Sport board, we see it all the time. They do it so Obama can say things like "Most gun owners agree with me." Really? Don't fall for it. Chances are they aren't 3 women, more likely they are a hairy 35 year old male who still lives in his mother's cellar with posters of Ingrid Newkirk and Obama just above the old Pizza Boxes.

:)

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from Sl Johnson wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

She clearly is a poser with no idea how to shoot. Too bad the poor animal walked into her fifth (?) bullet. Look up the Kuwait video of her holding an assault rifle up by her ear, and the officer has to push the butt of the gun down to her shoulder. I also love how both the videos show no ear protection. Maroon.

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from Sl Johnson wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

She clearly is a poser with no idea how to shoot. Too bad the poor animal walked into her fifth (?) bullet. Look up the Kuwait video of her holding an assault rifle up by her ear, and the officer has to push the butt of the gun down to her shoulder. I also love how both the videos show no ear protection. Maroon.

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from Sl Johnson wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Pointing out Palin's lack of expertise has nothing to do with being a liberal or conservative. It has to do with having knowledge about hunting. She clearly knows nothing about shooting guns. Anyone who says otherwise, also clearly knows nothing about shooting guns or hunting. Furthermore, there is no shame in not being a hunter. The shame is in pretending to be something you are not.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

They didn't "hide the reality?" Hmmmm. But they didn't show it all either. Missed the critical part about her actually shooting the caribou. What a coincidence. "A good shot"? Are you sure about that?

No answer yet as to why she had to have her dad loading her gun for her. Over and over again. Or why she was carrying her gun upside down when approaching an animal that she didn't know was dead yet. I'm supposed to believe she can "drill a target" in a bear attack simulation but can't even hold the gun properly when approaching a possibly still live and dangerous caribou? Anyway, both are clear disregard for basic hunter safety rules. How do you explain that? Perhaps she fell earlier and hurt her arm so she couldn't load her own gun or carry it properly? Another convenient slip and fall? Yeah, that would have worked. Too bad nobody thought of it before now. Speaking of slip and falls, as I understand it her dad allegedly fell and damaged the scope of HER gun. Now, what was HE doing carrying HER gun in the first place? Can't the tough Mama Grizzly carry her own gun? Was that lightweight no-kick pea-shooter just too heavy for poor Sarah? My 21 year-old daughter is interested in starting hunting this fall but I am NOT going to carry or load her gun for her. I feel it's safer in the long run if she learns to do that stuff for herself.

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from JCDunn wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Palin's fan clubbers are all up in arms over Field And Stream for allowing this article. They are fanatical and just as upset as the time Bristol Palin didn't win first place on Dancing With The Stars wherein they cheated the voting. Received an email of theirs for the intention of quashing Dave Petzal's free speech and forcing them to take this article down:

"Thank you for taking the time to write your letter to the Editor of Field & Stream rebutting the obvious lies written Mr. Petzal and published by Field & Stream.

I encourage everyone to write to the editors of Field & Stream.

I suggest people call upon them to withdraw Mr. Petzal's article from their website and issue an apology in light of the rebuttal written by Mr. Heath Jr.; and to publish Mr. Heath Jr's letter in the next offline issue of Field & Stream, along with a full and complete apology.

Here is the contact information for the offline publication:

********@bonniercorp.com

- and -

Here is the contact information for the online publication:

*****@fieldandstream.com"

Nuts!

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Oh, and willegee, do your homework. If you think I'm some wannabee hunter, perhaps you should click on my profile. Go through all seventy photos. You should wannabee as experienced a hunter as I am. Yep, you're a real expert alright. You're profile is so empty it echoes when I click on it.

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from willegge wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Well Ontario Honker something is wrong with you, when you cannot discern a good person, or a genuine hunter like Governor Palin and her Father. I watched her handle a pump shot gun and also a shooting clay's she did fine.

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from John_Frank wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

@JC Dunn, people are upset because Mr. Pretzal has published an obvious lie and in doing so has not only falsely attacked Sarah Palin, but also all the good people who support her.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

This is getting out of hand. How many login names is Glen Rice allowed to have?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

buckhunter,
Exactly......

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Ontario Honker:

Many thanks for telling us all how wonderful you are and of you incomparable hunting prowess! It must be very satisfying to be you.

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from TeflonWarrior wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I thought this was Field & Stream not Palin Derangment Syndrome & HuffPo. Palin did a great job felling the caribou with one shot when she had a sighted in rifle. I guess Petzal had to do something to get his flagging readership up, too bad it was a snide piece of trash on a great outdoorsman like Sarah Palin & her dad. At least I'll know what issues of Muck & Rake to avoid.

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from NHshtr wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

The comments just keep coming!

Even if SP is inexperienced at hunting caribou or using a big game caliber, that doesn't mean she has no experience shooting clays and fishing as she has shown in other videos.

And besides, if you measure her against "all-hunting clothes-and-no-hunting" Kerry and "I do skeet all the time" Obama, she's head and shoulders above them.

I would much rather have her and whatever big game skills she lacks representing me than the anti-gun, hunter-hostile reps and governor I have now.

So, DEP, loosen up! Throw the crap in a more deserving direction.

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from argoman wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

remember the sports writer who said something about ar rifles not being considered sporting rifles? I think DEP better check his compass.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

In the interest of being fair and balanced will there be an article on Hillary's claims to have been a regular "Annie Oakley" in her youth? After all, she has run for office more recently than Sarah.Has agreed she should be blamed for the 4 ded in Libya and plans to run for President in 2016. So can we see the tapes of her doing her trick shots here on the site?
Funny she may shoot like Annie Oakley, but she looks like Elmer Keith....so beware there the grainy tapes aren't actually Elmer. ;)

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Wait for it....wait for it....heh,heh....

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Kudukid, sorry about that. But hey, some nimrod who only comes on this site when Palin's name pops up and who can't even spell shotgun correctly assumes I don't know what I'm doing in the field ... well, that cheezed me off a bit. And someone should have told that one-minute "expert" there's a big difference between standing and shooting a "shot gun" on a trap range and actually hunting in the field with a rifle. When I was a young man I once took an accomplished trap shooter bird hunting with me and he damned near shot my dog.

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from avidarcher88pa wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

i am pretty sure this article was about palkins shooting in this paticular video,not her political views,credentials,or even tree huggers. her shooting in this video was horrible.if i was watching hunting show and some rookie huntrr was shooting like that i would have been screaming at tv. good video if you wanna show your kids what not to do. petzlis right. dont get carried away with assumptions.her shooting was horrible in this video

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from JohnnyAppleSeed wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

What a display... If she were hunting anything but caribou this hunt would have been over befor it started. And Buckhunter her face may be cute but that voice judas priest I had to turn down the volume.

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from wisc14 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

i can't stand it when i hear ted nugent spew off. gives me a headache.

i think us sportsmen would have much more success wiht folks like steve rinella and georgia pellegrini being spokesman for hunting and fishing than sarah palin and ted nugent

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from SL wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

"remember the sports writer who said something about ar rifles not being considered sporting rifles? I think DEP better check his compass."

Yeah, I remember, so what does this have to do with Petzal here? Some of you guys are so full of it. You get all in a huff when you think your 2nd amendment rights are being infringed, and then you want to tear down a guy for simply expressing his opinion on something. Zumbo, Petzal or anyone else has the absolute right to say whatever they please, be it for or against a law, firearm, person, or anything else. This idea that all gun owners have to be lock-step with each other on all issues is pure BS.

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from SL wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

"remember the sports writer who said something about ar rifles not being considered sporting rifles? I think DEP better check his compass."

Yeah, I remember, so what does this have to do with Petzal here? Some of you guys are so full of it. You get all in a huff when you think your 2nd amendment rights are being infringed, and then you want to tear down a guy for simply expressing his opinion on something. Zumbo, Petzal or anyone else has the absolute right to say whatever they please, be it for or against a law, firearm, person, or anything else. This idea that all gun owners have to be lock-step with each other on all issues is pure BS.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

HAVEROD...
You're killin' me! ROTFLMAO!

"more likely they are a hairy 35 year old male who still lives in his mother's cellar with posters of Ingrid Newkirk and Obama just above the old Pizza Boxes."

www.slack-time.com/music-video-2483-Brad-Paisley-Online

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from wisc14 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

to all the sarah palin lovers suddenly on here: we do not care what her brother wrote to field and stream.

i applaud field and stream for calling it like it is. thank you.

some people on here are so biased and brainwashed i wonder how they make it through a day

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

wisc14,

"We" make it through the day because, for the most part, we really don't pay much attention to the manure spread on here. Just a diversion.....

Cheers

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I am also surprised of the number of Palin lovers on here. However, they appear to be their own worse enemy when they escalated a simple critic of firearm skills into something which it is not. If ignored, this blog would be dead but now it has the potential to go no where or worse yet, into the Rice paddy.

The video speaks for itself and the Wasilla Wolf Pack needs to find a new deer to chase.

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from Occasional Outd... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

This discussion has GONE NUTS, Mr. Gun Nuts and all other gun nuts. Gentlemen outdoors people should not offend ladies, period. It pains me that a female with a big heart, big enough to have a good dream for America is being berated for something she is not majoring in. She became a governor of Alaska and some of us cannot even win a seat in the school board. All of us are good only with guns and we are so mighty proud of it as if that is the sole requirement for good citizenship. Poor brother has come to the rescue and I think it is a good family breeding. I feel bad for her dad. Have we gone too far with our guns Mr. Petzal? Ask your wife please. And all the females in your circle. Its a good time to remember women on Valentines week.

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from Occasional Outd... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

This discussion has GONE NUTS, Mr. Gun Nuts and all other gun nuts. Gentlemen outdoors people should not offend ladies, period. It pains me that a female with a big heart, big enough to have a good dream for America is being berated for something she is not majoring in. She became a governor of Alaska and some of us cannot even win a seat in the school board. All of us are good only with guns and we are so mighty proud of it as if that is the sole requirement for good citizenship. Poor brother has come to the rescue and I think it is a good family breeding. I feel bad for her dad. Have we gone too far with our guns Mr. Petzal? Ask your wife please. And all the females in your circle. Its a good time to remember women on Valentines week.

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from willegge wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Hey Ontario Honker you are demonstrating exactly what I said a wannabee. I don't need to display anything of my hunting on my profile. I have done it, I don't hunt to brag or prove anything, its who I am.I never said I was an expert, I am a hunter and have hunted, really hunted the woodlands and marsh lands of Nova Scotia,New Brunswick, northern British Columbia, Ontario, the prairies and buttes of North Dakota, and South Dakota, the plains, woods and fields of Indiana, and Georgia, with plenty of Deer, ducks, geese, pheasants, grouse, moose and bear in my belly and on my dinner table over the years, and a few trophies too. Your obviously not a true hunter.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

willegge:

Ontario Honker already took a hit from me and, much to his credit, he came clean.

Now with your extensive list of hunting venues you have accomplished the same sort of self aggrandizement.

It is always better if praise comes from others.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter....You found him! LOL

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from Safado wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Haverod...you don't know anything about me...But when Sarah Palin can run three marathons and two half marathons then she can beat me running:-D)I know she can't out shoot me she proved that herself in the video.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Safado:

Good grief:
As if the braggadocio wasn't already bad enough; now you're to the point you're bragging about running marathons!

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Safado.....You're AWESOME! I'll bet you can beat almost all the girls, eh? LMAO

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

haverodwilltravel:

PITHY...love it!

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from JamesD wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

It seems the debate comes down to weather you like or dislike the various people who have been dubbed as spokes-men for the hunting, shooting and gun owning communities. We need to act as our own diplomats and petition the government for a redress of grievances,(Hmmm... it seems I've read that someplace before) all of our representatives at every level of government are accessible by phone, mail and e-mail. They know who shows up to vote in elections and they definitely want to be re-elected. Debating with one another here is ok but the real fight is happening in Washington and our state legislatures that's where our opinions will carry the most weight. It's easier to stop it before it happens than to try and undo it after it's done. Governments do not like to reliquish power once they've accumulated it.

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from RandyMI wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Are those guys as nervous as a pair of whores in church because they know what an inexperienced, lousy shot she is?
FIVE MISSES! Needs help racking another round into a bolt-action rifle? Every time? At least she was talented enough to be born cute.... Same for being elected governator of Alaska or nominated for vise-president by the republican party. The interview with Katie Couric told the whole story on this gal. I don't understand why she kept ducking Larry the Cable guy after he went all the way to Wasilla to meet her---she is a devotee of the Tedhead.

Here the definition of POLITICS: from poly=meaning many & tics=small bloodsucking pests

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from willegge wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Kudukid, I was not aggrandizing anything, especially myself. Ontario Honker said he looked at my profile and saw nothing basically that said I was a hunter, or showed I was so I gave him some history, kind of like the Apostle Paul did when his cred was being questioned by phonies. But you are right when you said it is better to get praise from someone other than yourself, I was not praising myself I was giving a little history is all. Take care.

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from Bonet wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

@RandyMI
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If you had seen the entire episode, you'd have seen her dad take a tumble while caring the gun she used. He knocked the scope out of alignment.

Since her dad couldn't even hit a paper plate with it at 50yds when they got back to camp obviously the gun had some serious issues.

Of course when the other guy handed her his rifle, it was a one shot kill.

I have seen excellent hunters miss shots, have scopes that were off.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Willegge: I see. You claim to know what a "true hunter" is or isn't. According to you, I'm not one. You seem to think you are a true hunter. And, according to you, Sarah Palin is a true hunter. So ... "true hunters" are those who have their dads loading the gun for them during rapid fire and carrying their guns for them in the field? True hunters carry their guns upside down/backwards in the field when approaching game that's possibly wounded and dangerous? Well, I don't think your going to find any of the other folks on this forum who are "true hunters" either ... maybe not even in North America. Just you and Sarah. My congratulations to you on your years of experience "true hunting" ... and not getting yourself or someone else killed in the process! Brother! Feel free to count me out of the crowd of "true hunters." A crowd of two it seems.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Oh no! Now St Paul is in the act. You know the Palinites are on the ropes when they bring out the scriptures as a defense. Out of real ammunition so they lock and load the Bible. We shoulda seen that one coming!

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from Bonet wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Two points:

- Once she had the correct rifle, she brought down the Caribou with one shot.

- Sarah Palin had no problem field dressing.

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Pete Bodo wrote:

"As we learned near the end of the episode, Chuck’s scope was indeed way off. But give Palin credit here – while her conviction that the scope was off-target was vindicated, she never made a big deal out of it. Scopes take a beating and many things, including bouncing around in the cargo bay of a small plane, can skew their accuracy. It would have been nice to have an explanation, but in the end, who knows? And, really, who cares?

Some also objected to the way Chuck Palin worked the bolt after each shot taken by his daughter, interpreting it as a sure sign of her incompetence. Well, Palin’s obvious, basic familiarity with the rifle, and her decent form handling it, were sufficient to make me think that was nothing more than a typical “daddy knows best” moment. Hunters, guides, parents – we all get excited at the moment of reckoning. And only someone who’s never handled a rifle would suspect that Palin doesn’t know how to work a bolt. It isn’t rocket science, trust me on that.

But it’s depressing to have to parse the video episode this way. What, is Sarah Palin on trial here? The critics mostly demonstrate how woefully little they know about hunting, firearms, and the natural world in general, despite the “green” vows they’ve taken.

I’m a hunter, and to me Palin’s show was Emmy-worthy for its honesty, modesty, and it’s effective portrayal and celebration of the hunting experience. My favorite moment: When Palin’s daughter, Piper, gazing at the pile of meat on the family table in Wasilla, chimes in, “Mom, that’s a tiny caribou.”

True enough. It was a young cow, something most hunters would have passed up, looking for a more impressive trophy. But it was meat for the freezer – and even Piper knew it wasn’t a moose."

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I'm outahere before I get shot in the crossfire.

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from 1uglymutha wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

i really love this blog. i haven't laughed so hard since the chicago mafia moved into the white house.

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from Brett Kottmann wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I call into question David E. Petzal's qualifications as a journalist, sportsman, gun user and sane human being.

Since no one answered my challenge, it's obviously true.

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from Gavin Jonson wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I've been aware of Field and Stream's lean to the left "journalism" for several years now. This article is a hatchet job.
The magazine is suitable only for doctor and dentist waiting rooms.

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from barnacle brad wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

This rant by petzel and most of the posts I read are regrettable. The elitist mentality shown here is a far cry from the Field and Stream of my youth. I registered an account with FS to comment specifically on this piece, but be assured that not only will I limit myself to this one response, I will also encourage my fellow sportsmen to reject this type of commentary and also to reject all forms of Field and Stream media. It is despicable behavior. The writer and the ones who support this nonsense should be ashamed to call themselves sportsmen.

Brad Campbell
Greybull Wyoming

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from GPBound wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Willegge et al:

What a clear and irrevocable statement that the Canadian immigration system is as flawed as the American, when a complete and utter m0r0n such as OH can not only enter, but continue to reside in our country.

OH sees more “red” than a tomato farmer and still doesn‘t get it…take note knob you have reached irritable vowel syndrome.

On behalf of ALL Canadians who have ever attended this forum, my sincerest apologies.. he in NO way represents nor speaks for any of us.

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from Warrior Pitbull wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Clearly a hit-piece. Anyone that actually watched the show in it's entirety knows that Sarah is a crack shot and well versed with her rifles. She actually showed up her father in that episode, but apparently this 'author's views were intent on obfuscating the truth.

Cancelling my subscription now since F&S obviously doesn't care about how little their contributors know about hunting and firearms, or is complicit to partisan bickering that sides with those who wish to take our rights away. No telling how much BS has been cropping up in my mailbox from F&S in the past 10 years. I'll have to throw out all that I gleaned from F&S and rely on my age and experience, which serves me better than anything else, anyway.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

GPBound: Hmmm. And this from someone who writes on here about ribbed condom sex with goats?! Yeah, I checked your forum contributions - all eight of em. Sorry, but you are hardly representative of what I would call the ideal Canadian.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

GPBound: Hmmm. And this from someone who writes on here about ribbed condom sex with goats?! Yeah, I checked your forum contributions - all eight of em. Sorry, but you are hardly representative of what I would call the ideal Canadian. I have never pretended to speak for anyone. And you CERTAINLY are not qualified to speak for anyone.

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from Dale Liston wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

So I am supposed to believe that all these years living in Alaska and hunting and all the bashing the Left has done about her hunting and what an awful person she is for hunting and killing poor little animals is all fake? So if she is such a "fake" hunter than that would mean ALL of these people would have to be in on it and she has managed to hide the truth under all this scrutiny since 2008? That despite having a brigade of journalist and others going threw her garbage to dig up dirt. You liberals are really moronic and will believe anything. This article is just more deranged Left-wing Palin hating disguised as a conspiracy theory disguised as a hunting story. What is a political hatchet job/opinion piece doing in F&S? This reminds me when Maxim magazine named Michelle Obama one of the 50 hottest women. You fake Liberals just cannot leave your politics out of everything can you?

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from RandyMI wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Bonet: When I stumbled & fell on my rifle I immediately found a safe place to test fire it. I've also missed shots, once or twice---not five times. I find almost all 'reality' TV repulsive as well as politicians. I realize most people believe these bozos rule the world but they're just puppets. I also liked the observation above about Manson's chances of getting out of prison by wrapping himself in the flag & 2nd Amend. From what I've seen in 60+ years, most "self-proclaimed patriots" are simply homegrown fanatics.... capable of all sorts of atrocities & bad bahaviors.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Please! Don't anyone say anything negative about Michelle Obama or the thread will be deleted and those of us here on the Right will be set back to those Re-Training Camps.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Yes, Let's leave Ms. Obama and other's wives out of this, how about it? Michelle and hot do not belong in the same sentence.

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from GPBound wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

OH.. your weak..

Like Clay and so many others a large part of my career was spent in the defense/protection of my country… the only time I take umbrage to that, if but for a moment, is when blowhards continue to espouse their beliefs as pure fact… ad nauseam.

There are multiple reasons why it not serve prudent for an individual to post pics/comments and lay out a bio on F&S.. but your narrow mind is incapable of that reasoning.

You would be wise to cease and desist.

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from wisc14 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

boy lots of new login names on here. the rednecks are really fired up for their sarah!

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from wisc14 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

gpbound: just because you spent time in the military defending our country doesn't mean you have any more rights or are any better of an american than me. get off your high horse

my uncle served in vietnam and never once needed to mention anything about it (especially on the internet) to make himself seem a better person

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from 99explorer wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

As much as I admire Sarah Palin, I have to admit I was very puzzled by the way she carried the rifle with the scope down. The rifle was horizontal, but carried upside down.

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from willegge wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Hey Ontario Honker, I have nothing against you and I'm sure you are a hunter. I was doing to you what you are doing to Governor Palin and her father. These people are good people who have lived and hunted in Alaska for many years, not only that, but they are for us, for hunters and gun owners. I don't know you from Adam, but I said "you were not a hunter", could be you've hunted more than me? I wanted to give you a taste of your own medicine, passing judgment on a person without ever meeting her or knowing your history. That is what you and so many on this blog are doing along with the idiot that wrote the article when you don't really know. So mean spirited against a good person a mother of five and one with Downs Syndrome. A patriot. Read some of the book "Our Sarah" it is obvious these people are lifetime hunters and fishermen, that is the overwhelming facts. Criticize someone who wants to take your guns, and would like to stop all hunting. Take care .

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from CJ wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Wisc14 is that your age or IQ? The pathetic banter between idjits like you, GP, and Honked-up reminds me of the flame wars of past dweebs like Crusty ol'NCO, Clayton Copper, Yohan, others. This moronic diatribe is why lots of folks left his blog.

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from 270ti wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I'm a bit stunned.

Field and Stream was the magazine of my youth. Now it has been lowered to this. I will not be giving my children copies of Field and Stream to read, like my father gave me.

Mr Petzal,

Rather than write about such things, why don't you write about some real issues. Those of us who live, work, and define what you pretend to know about, are about to leave you and your magazine.

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

So Dave shall we ge another good conversation piece soon ?!!!

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from Mymati wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

First let me save some on this blog some time. This is my fist post on F&S's blog ( that seems to be importnt to some here) and I am not a great hunter although I have shot a gun many times. For my money Sarah seems to have been quite honest about this entire episode. She was an executive producer on the series and could have nixed the episode if she so desired. As for the video you all do realize you are watching an edited video, right? watching again will not change what is on it, however if you were to watch nedited video from the trip you might be embarassed by your comments.

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from 12bhntn wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Mr Petzal needs to go pound sand. I guess it is better to see the pro's set up over the farmed whitetails that their guide or husband grow and pick for them to shoot. Give the woman a break you nor I were there. This B.S about knowing exactly where your rifle is shooting "always" goes out the door on many hunts horse ,fourwheeler, airplane travel and a good fall have ruined many hunts for some of the best. Having helped a few people video their hunts to use later on outdoor shows I can say that very often editing plays a huge role, one clip out of place can ruin everything...I can say that Mrs. Palin and her family fly out to hunt moose/bears next to our friends. You can say what you will but I would bet she would outlast most of her critics on here out in the Alaska bush (of which most have never been nor will they ever be in the true wilderness) . As far as comments from ontario honker about the bear regulation that was overlooked by Ted here in Alaska, I'm not sure where you get your info but everyone I know had to look for the rule after he was cited for it. That includes two bow shop pro's and one bow hunter certification instructor along with many other hunters. It is only for one area not the entire state so it is not widely known. No excuse for his violation but don't say everyone was talking about it in the bowhunting comunity and don't make it out to be murder. He admitted to the violation paid his dues now it's over. So unless you live here and know exactly what you speak of keep it to yourself don't try to speak for those of us in another state let alone country.

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from Lawrence Kennon wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Some years ago I discontinued my subscription to Field & Stream due to an article by David Petzal. This was back when the Assault Weapons Ban was passed in 1994. Petzal apparently thought it was a great idea as he didn't hunt with one, or something.

I was glancing through F&S at the airport the other day and thinking I wouldn't mind getting this magazine again. Now I read this incredibly stupid article attacking Sarah Palin. So guess what, I won't be getting a new subscription to F&S. I doubt I ever will as long as Petzal writes for F&S.

Lawrence Kennon
Leander, Texas

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from GPBound wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

To all offended, my apologies… it is not my intent to steer this blog awry. I am simply mitigating an increasingly offensive commenter who is hijacking thread after thread leaving little room for the likes of Happy Myles and more recently Scott Clearman, both of which we would do well to hear from more often.

Willegge… well thought out and well stated.. if OH doesn’t learn from that ..there is no hope.

Mr Petzal… some emotionally driven stuff here (including yours), I believe you owe us an explanation… not contrived apres dinner with scotch in hand but an interactive, chat with the peons affair.

The floor is yours……

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from Urs wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Look, a few minutes before Sarah's Dad carried her rifle into the field, fell and dropped it, and Sarah missed the animal numerous times, she had shown herself on film, at the home freezer, and seeing it low on meat, said it was HER TURN to fill the freezer with game. Previous to that, in another episode, she had presented herself as a rock climber, doing this dangerous activity in full theatrical makeup, a huge wig, and no rock helmet. In another episode, one of her daughters mutilated a salmon with an ulu, proving beyond all doubt she didn't know what that special kind of knife is for. The hunting episode is hilarious for Alaskans, anyone who hunts, or has been around hunters can recognize that if someone patched in a 10 year old kid in place of Sarah, that is a typical scene for teaching a kid to hunt. Without several pertinent safety features, of course. Her father carried "her" rifle, her father pushed her down to shoot off the packs instead of standing, like she had been. Her father loads the rifle for her and does everything but pull the trigger. And who cares about all of this? It's a reality show for Pete's Sake, not meant to be um...."real". All of Alaska knows within her own family it's her husband that commercially fishes as owner of the business, she was but an occasional crew member for the yearly 6 week season, and it is her husband who is the hunter. I don't see anything wrong with her being an advocate for hunting, even if the prey is a young female caribou, with a virtual arsenal prepared for bringing it down. I fish and deal with hunted game, her husband and father hunt, my own husband hunts, and it's not a lib vs conservative thing. But now, editors of Field and Stream, you see what happens when you get Sarah's flying monkeys all riled up!

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from CCMJS wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

So Sarah Palin acts like a girl. BFD. She is a girl. If any of you experts watch the hunting shows they(girls) all act this way. They aren't as strong, they get cold faster and they talk, alot. They are kinder, softer and smell better. I don't know about you guys but I like it this way. Even in the military, they had different fitness standards than the men. She is a girl, we would all act like her dad did if we were hunting with our daughter.

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from Ellen Gbane wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Three things always annoy me about the comments around Sarah Palin's father/daughter hunt.

1. Just because your father helps you with something does not mean you need his help. Sometimes it just reflects his need and your kindness.

2. What decent God fearing woman would use the F-word to her father or her father's friend.

3. Hunting is activity done by millions and people develop their own habits. We see this with golf, bowling, basketball and many other activities. No one would say someone is inexperienced at an activity because they do not perform like a pro. Pros spend their time perfecting activities because it is their livelihood. However, if you just do something as a leisure activity, people will notice you are not as good as a professional. That does not mean you are a liar or someone who has never engaged in the activity. Look at any league typical league bowler or golfer and see their handicap.

If you watched SP's Alaska you saw her familiarity with firearms. She handle them as well as many of the millions of people who engage in leisure activities. She is a very good shot.

Could she have asserted herself more with her dad sure, but at what cost. Did she need to demean her Dad to prove something to an audience? No. To me she showed how grown children should act toward their parents. We should always show our parents respect. It shows them that they raised us well.

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from Urs wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Ellen, no one who plays golf, basketball, and other sports for pleasure should be criticized for technique, unless they are passing themselves off as experts and making money doing so. The big difference is that hunting is a situation involving life and death, and sometimes with faulty techniques it's not just the little female caribou that gives up their life. As someone upthread mentioned, there is no shame in admitting that one is not really a hunter, but that they support the activity and proudly butcher, smoke, can, fry and roast what their hunting spouse does kill. Sometimes both of the couple are hunters. But in this case, er...."not". Anyway, Alaskans haven't had so much fun watching a reality show since "Northern Exposure" when, across the state, the morning after the show, radio stations featured call in programs so that viewers could point out the ludicrous factual errors in the show. Like hopping over to Bristol Bay from Juneau in a float plane and being back for lunch. That's what "Sarah Palin's Alaska" was, a LOL for Alaskans.

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from Ellen Gbane wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

@Urs
“hunting is a situation involving life and death, and sometimes with faulty techniques it's not just the little female caribou that gives up their life.”

“…there is no shame in admitting that one is not really a hunter…”

Looks like millions of people who hunt are not really hunters. I mean some of them go out early in the morning and consume adult beverages and do all kinds of dangerous stupid things. Do you think that means they aren’t hunters, or just that they are careless hunters? Do you think hunters who have faulty technique aren’t really hunters, or is that just the standard for Palins?

SP’s Alaska was a reality show it was not in real time. It just showed some activities one could do with family and friends in Alaska. It was a nice showcase for the state. Moreover, it was full of great staycation ideas for family adventures.

I suppose SP’s Alaska was joke for Alaskans not in the hospitality industry. For those in the hospitality industry I bet they love anything that helps to generate business. I bet shooting ranges all over the place liked the step up in business as some of the millions watching at home thought hey I’d like to try shooting because it looked like fun.

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from armedliberal wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

She is a fraud.

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from Ellen Gbane wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

'armedliberal' now that is dangerous. Are you going to go shoot people who hurt your little feelings like Christopher Dorner.

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from freeparking wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

This stink is eroding F&S's value as a retreat from the ugly political environment we're dealing with, thus eroding my desire to pay for it.

It's disappointing when F&S delves into partisan BS like this, and I'd include their pushing the orthodox climate change/environment line. (By that I mean Bob Marshall might be a little more sophisticated about climate change if he lived in flyover country and had his way of life threatened by sky high electric and gasoline prices) If I wanted recycled Sarah Palin digs and one sided climate change lectures, I'd turn on MSNBC.
Please, stick to hunting and fishing. DP's a rifle expert, please talk about rifles. I can get equally brilliant Palin thoughts from well, anybody.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

12bhtn: For my source of information on Nugent and his bear felony gone misdemeanor, see "Why did Ted Nugent spin his illegal Alaska hunt?" by Craig Medred in the Alaska Dispatch, April 28, 2012. Like you, Medred also claims to be an authority on Alaska hunting/fishing. I don't know him but I took his word for it that he was part of the bow hunting community. If Ted would have manned up and shut up (but as you can see from that article he hasn't), I think it would have went better for him in the hunting community. And if he hadn't already had a history of poaching (illegally baiting and shooting an illegally undersized baby buck in California), that might have made a big difference too.

Urs: So much for trying to put a non-partisan spin on things. Nice try. I mean that. Well done. Too bad the "flying monkeys" turned on you for it.

GPBound: You claim to know a lot of history about what you perceive to be the problems with this site. Interesting, seeing as you have only been contributing for ... let's see ... less than three weeks? If you had any history with this site at all you'd know this is a busy time of year for Happy (in fact, I'm not sure he has been on here in the last three weeks since you've been around). You would also know that he departed for a while because of frustrating technical issues with the website. He made that VERY clear when he left. I have no idea who Scott Clearman is/was and I have been on this site for more than three years. Maybe someone in the fishing section? I rarely go over there.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Gees, GPBound, sorry about that. You have been here a lot longer than three months. I think I clicked on the next guy's profile by accident. My apologies.

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from bruisedsausage wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

First, wow, just wow. There are so many crazy comments that have been made I'm just going to ignore them all.

To get to brass tacks the video exposes what I believe to be an amateur shooter/hunter. DEP I think nailed this. Not only is it painfully apparent, those who are jumping up to staunchly defend their Sarah are only exposing their ignorance in the matter for all to see.

I read the letter to the editor by Chuck Jr. www.chuckheathjr.com/letter-to-the-editor-of-field-stream/. Sorry Chuck but I think you might have some facts misconstrued.

Direct quote from the letter, "The day before they set out after their prey, Sarah and Dad were consistently “driving tacks from 100 yards” (as Dad put it) with Sarah’s .225 Winchester."

O.K. fine, but why then does Sarah ask if the rifle kicks before shooting it? I mean seriously if she just spent the day before the hunt "driving tacks" with it then she should know exactly how that rifle recoils. Don't you think?

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from Ellen Gbane wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

@ bruisedsausage

You think Chuck’s got his facts wrong. Please. You cannot even comprehend that he is clearly writing about two different rifles. Her scope was off so she used Becker’s rifle, and before firing his rifle she asked about its recoil.

“O.K. fine, but why then does Sarah ask if the rifle kicks before shooting it? I mean seriously if she just spent the day before the hunt "driving tacks" with it then she should know exactly how that rifle recoils. Don't you think?”

It is rather simple, she was using her .225 Winchester which did not have much kick to 'drive tacks from 100 yards.' Before firing Becker’s Remington 7mm Magnum which she had not used to ‘driving tacks from 100 yards’ she asked if it has much of a kick.

“The day before they set out after their prey, Sarah and Dad were consistently “driving tacks from 100 yards” (as Dad put it) with Sarah’s .225 Winchester. Those of you who watched the show in its entirety know that while walking across the tundra, Dad slipped and fell while carrying Sarah’s gun. He didn’t realize at the time that he had knocked the scope askew.”

“When it becomes obvious that Sarah’s scope is out of whack, she switches guns with Dad’s buddy, Becker.”

“As Sarah gets ready to fire Becker’s Remington 7mm Magnum, she asks if it has much of a kick. Why? Because her .225 doesn’t kick and she can keep her eye closer to the scope.”

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from bruisedsausage wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Ellen,
I guess I'm going to have to literally spell this out for you. @ about 22 seconds into the video.

Sarah ~ "Hey Dad...does it kick?"

Chuck ~ "No, no kick."

Becker ~ "He always says that"

They are talking about the 225 Winchester genius, NOT THE 7mm Mag!. I shouldn't have even replied to you but I decided since you missed that obvious snafu I would literally spell it out for others as well. Good day to you.

bring on the dings

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from George Reynolds wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Columnist Petzal said, "Finally, look at the way she carries the rifle as the party walks up to the late lamented ungulate. No experienced shooter carries a rifle like this."

Well, in the Army they taught us always to keep the rifle pointing up and away from people, and that is just the way she was carrying it. What's wrong with that? Was Petzal ever in the military? What are his qualifications as an expert on shooting?

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from Urs wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

The rifle was up side down. what if it were needed in a hurry?

Palin clearly had never fired her father's rifle before since she had to ask if it had a kick.

It all boils down to the same thing most of us noticed, her father carried "her" rifle, he cocked it for her repeatedly, he literally pushed her to fire from the stack of packs, and we didn't see the shot that hit the caribou. We don't know how many shots it took, we don't know who shot it, with which gun. It was calculated that that meat cost upwards of $141 per pound, and in the reality show she says that "we" who live in remote areas need to go hunt when we get hungry. "Eye roll" she lives within a couple of blocks from the major box stores on the main highway in Wasilla. The cost of the meat? Google cost of Palin's caribou.

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from 12bhntn wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

ontario honker, I believe you are the one that claimed to be the one in the know about the situation here in Alaska concerning this. I simply live here and can give first hand knowledge on what we experience daily. I would not even claim to know or care what goes on in your area so please do the same and quit commenting on what you seem to find on the internet and then take on as your personal fight. Have a great day in Canada from here in the USA

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

bruisedsausage, it is you who apparently needs to have it spelled out for you, and not Ellen!

Forgetting everything else for the moment, let's just try to concentrate on one tiny point to illustrate why eye (and ear) witnesses are usually of little value in a trial...

For those who watched the video and then reported that Mrs. Palin asked "Hey Dad...does it kick?". Please go back to the video to see who first said "It kicks" and then repeats it.

If you don't have excessive wax in your ears you will find Mrs. Palin is simply repeating what her father has said. She does nothing more than acknowledging his warning.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

BTW:
Mr. Petzal also reported this incorrectly even after he
"...felt so poorly about this that I went back and re-viewed the tape."

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from bruisedsausage wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

kududim,

I think I'm hearing it properly and just in case I'm not TLC nicely subtitled it so we can actually read it. Again there are TWO DIFFERENT points in the video in which they are talking about the rifle kicking. For God's sake please don't make yourself appear any stupider than you already have.

The FIRST time its mentioned is at about 22 seconds into the video. She is the only one asking. (This is also verified in the subtitles, but maybe you can't read? Maybe need to get your eyes checked, or new glasses, or possibly just need to clean the eye boogers out or???)
The SECOND time its talked about is at about 1:45 after she trades her "non-kicking" gun for Becker's gun. You are correct that her father warns her that it kicks.

Do you understand that there are two different firearms being discussed here? Hopefully so. I'll accept your apology when you're man enough to admit your mistake, thanks.

Regards B.S.

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from Ellen Gbane wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

@bruisedsausage

I watched SPAK, and I watched that particular episode more than once.

I got the impression from the program that she is decent shot, but not an avid hunter. She did not strike me as someone who hunts for sport, but as someone who hunts for food occasionally.

I also did not get the impression that she was a gold miner, a mountaineer, a musher, a logger, or an expert at any of the other adventures that she undertook in SPAK. I just thought she was someone who liked to try different things rather than sit back and watch. It was inspiring.

Still whenever Sarah Palin name comes up extremes come into play. When she is falsely attacked her supports, myself included defend her. While I defend her from those calling her a fraud and a liar it is clear that she like most people who engage in leisure activities is neither an expert nor a novice. She’s a woman went out hunting with her Dad and she bagged a caribou that was cool. She showed no sign that this was a first for her it is possible she had not had time to go hunting for bit, but it clear also that it was not her first trip.

Of course, Chuck knows more than we do about the outing, but if I recall correctly neither gun was Sarah’s. I seem to recall her going to her Father’s house at the start of that episode and her father supplying her with a rifle for the Father/Daughter outing.

In another episode Sarah purchase a new rifle, so perhaps while serving as Governor she did not hunt much.

I used to skate all the time, but I had not done so in 30 years. I started taking my 9 year old daughter skating so I decide to give it a try. Then I decided to buy myself new skates. I am not a new skater; I’m rusty skater.

Maybe Sarah was a rusty hunter, or maybe that's just the way she likes to hunt with her Dad.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

B.S. - That's certainly an appropriate handle.

This entire subject being discussed here is about what Mr. Petzal reported after he reviewed this tape to be absolutely certain of his re-apprasal.

Clearly he was talking about the switch to the 7mm Mag. as D.P. reported, "An experienced shooter would not ask if a rifle kicks before using it in the heat of battle."

When else would you ask if a rifle kicks - after the battle starts?

Therefore, the only apology indicated here is from you to Ellen.

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from PhilipJames wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

It amazes me that people are critical of Sarah Palin and this short clip from an hour long episode of a father and his daughter getting re-acquainted and spending some time on a hunting trip after not doing it for a while.
There was no comment or idea put forth that Sarah Palin was one of the best shots or one of the best hunters. These people go hunting for food... not sport.

The FACT that when her dad fell down the slope (did any of you bitchers even watch that part??) earlier in the day and knocked her scope out of alignment is why she was not able to hit the caribou with her own rifle. Are you bitchers smart enough to figure out that once she got the other rifle, she was able to knock the caribou down with the first shot?

As for her dad butting in and working the bolt and basically sticking his nose in when he didn't have to just shows you a father exhibiting "parent disease".... treating their adult kid like the kid they remember from years ago. And if you have not had your parents do the same thing to you, then you don't have parents.

I admire the fact that rather than having the film crew edit out all the misses, they left all that in and showed everything that happened. I think all of you bitchers would have not done that. But, I guess because all of you have perfect hunting skills and can hit a dime at two miles every time, we should not wonder about your hunting or shooting skills.

This clip is a small part of the entire Alaska series she did.... which the Alaska Tourism Board will tell you has increased tourism to Alaska which is great for Alaska economy... and Sarah Palin has been a staunch 2nd Amendment defender and promotes hunting and shooting so an a-hole like David Pis*ant and the bitchers can stick their heads back up their butt holes where they belong.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

My goodness! Petzel has discovered a secret weapon for boosting membership on this website.
Maybe the editors will reward Dave with an all expenses paid trip somewhere.

OHH, I see you're taking some hits...here, I'll try to lighten your load: Palin is a fake, can't shoot, can't govern, and can't seem to finish a job she volunteered for. C'mn fellas, spread some of that red ink around.

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from bruisedsausage wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

O.K. Kid, read this very carefully as I don't want you to have an aneurism or something.

"An experienced shooter would not ask if a rifle kicks BEFORE using it in the heat of battle. That would not be uppermost in their mind; getting the animal down would be."

KEY WORD "BEFORE"!!@!!!!!!!

They certainly don't teach kids very well these days...

I'm going to leave it at this, I'm tired of trying to educate someone who doesn't have the brains to aptly apply a simple sentence or even watch a simple 3 min video and deduce what is occurring.

Somehow you seemed to have missed the point entirely though.

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from Ellen Gbane wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

This article is dumb. “She undoubtedly hunts, and is undoubtedly is OK with guns, but to say that as a shooter she’s anything but a rank beginner is wishful thinking.”

To concede she hunts, is Ok with guns, and a rank beginner makes no sense. She was in her mid-40s. She maybe a little rusty but there is no way she is a beginner. The other statements cannot be true if she is a beginner. If she was a beginner she would have doubted herself not the rifle, and she would not have dropped the animal with the first shot from the second rifle.

As far as her Father loading the rifle, well maybe that’s a family quirk since Sarah did the same thing to Bristol in another episode.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

OK B.S.

Simple question...

When was she "trying to get the animal down?"

Was it before the hunt or during the shooting?

But I'm going to leave it at this, I'm tired of trying to educate someone who doesn't have the brains to aptly apply a simple sentence or even watch a simple 3 min video and deduce what is occurring.

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from bruisedsausage wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Hoski, we agree about something! Cheers.

@ kudukid
I would hope before she pulled trigger... Note; it doesn't say anything about "trying" to get the animal down, it says, "getting the animal down" This of course is speaking about what should be on the mind of the hunter BEFORE engaging their target. Not after sending a volley of shots at it.

Seriously done now, I think my IQ may have dropped just engaging with this dribble.

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from Bonet. wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

If you watched the full video you could obviously tell she is a hunter and on the mark. Sarah Palin clearly understood that her fathers gun sights were off as she hit the mark on her first attempt with Becker’s gun.

Sarah Palin didn’t pretend to be an expert and there’s one other point that needs to be made.

As Executive Producer of the show, Palin had full editing rights. She could have easily edited out the less-than-perfect parts. She chose not to. If she’s the phoney that some of you portray her as, she would have made it look like one of those hunting shows on TV.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

B.S.

Sincerely hope for your sake your IQ didn't drop too much.

An experienced hunter would not ask if a rifle kicks before taking it hunting large game. They would already know the answer and they would also know their ability to absorb it.

Apparently Mrs. Palin is knowledgeable enough to know that heavy recoil can be a problem for someone not used to it.

In addition, Mr. Petzal is also wrong about seeing her fire the rifle. She most assuredly did fire it.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Hoski,
Wondered how long it would be before you jumped on this blog looking for converts to proselytize! LOL

This whole thing is so much bullsheet.

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from fitch270 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Cabin fever has set in to the point we've gone cannibal.
Given folks either love or hate Ms. Palin I doubt any one can be objective regarding this.

Herr Petzal, given that you are prone to giving good looking women shooting lessons I suggest you invite
Ms. Palin for an appearance on The Gun Nuts show and we settle this once and for all. Imagine the ratings.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

fitch270, the cannibal analogy was excellent! And, yes, cabin fever up here for sure. I finally broke down and took the dogs skiing today in -15C with some wind. Brrrr.

I reviewed this clip one more time. I note that Sarah initially seems to anticipate that her dad will work the bolt for her. Then she attempts to work the bolt for herself but for whatever reason stops before completing the cycle and her dad intervenes to do it for her. I guess one COULD conclude that she didn't know how to do it for herself. In all fairness, it is hard to accurately assess what was going on there. But there can be no doubt it was pretty weird gun handling. Definitely not conventional. And I don't think it's a leap to conclude that unconventional gun handling is unsafe gun handling. The way she carried the gun at the end approaching the downed caribou was also "unconventional." The problem I now have with that is that "being excited" really isn't going to fit the situation very well there. The cameraman was already in place standing near the butt end of the caribou and undoubtedly had already ascertained the animal was dead. So that scene clearly was staged. No doubt about that. Nothing wrong with it either. That's what outdoors shows are about. But if it was staged (not a spur of the moment thing), and it clearly was, then why wasn't it at least staged correctly, i.e. why was she carrying the gun upside down like a stack of kindling? And speaking of staging, what about the footage of her dad stumbling with her gun while walking in the tundra? It wasn't part of the clip and I haven't seen it, but some questions do come to mind. Did the cameraman film a lot of footage of them walking in the tundra with no real objective in mind? Recall that Sarah said in the intro that they hadn't found any caribou till the last day. So the cameraman just happened to be filming footage of Sarah and her dad wandering purposely in the tundra the day before (when no caribou were sighted) and her dad just happened to take a tumble while the camera was on him? Well, it could have happened that way I guess. Talk about serendipity, eh? :-)

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from LesserSon wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I can only imagine the hysteria if Mr. Petzal had dared to point out the Cheneyesque disregard for what lies beyond the target. Firing FIVE rounds over a skylined animal would seem a violation of commonsense safety. Now I suppose Chuck Heath Jr will point out that his sister and the camera cannot have been in the same exact spot, and the video only makes it LOOK like she's shooting at a target with no backstop. But that's kind of the point, isn't it? Mr. Petzal wasn't there and neither were most of the rest of us. We only have the video. Yes, it's obviously edited. And very badly, since the continuity issues have led to this much debate about what it shows.

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from CharityBT wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Good lord people!!! What a bunch of haters! The media really has us where they want us, don't they? They attack and ridicule us, and we attack and ridicule our own without having all the facts! Sarah Palin's scope was off because her dad had taken a fall while carrying her gun the day before. It was proven later in the show that the scope was off. As soon as she was handed another gun, she took one more bad shot and then dropped the caribou where it stood. I have watched many hunting shows and I've seen a lot of bad shots from experienced hunters. Get a life! Sarah Palin is one of the few politicians fighting for our 2nd Amendment rights which are hanging in the balance right now. Pick a side, then have the back of those righting for your rights. Shameful.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

As for John McPlain I mean McCain, we all knew that was all self explanatory.

Now for Alaska, anyone thinks you can just flop down in the tundra and shoot obviously has never been there. For those of you who never been in that environment, imagine large area rock fields with holes you would go down to your knees if not more covered with dense grass and vines, not the most comfortable place to be.

As for Ms. Palin is an extremely inexperienced shooter?

David, you want me to comment about you??????

I remember a few off the bench can't hit the barn shots, using a sling in standing to carrying the muzzle down for a faster shots?

Need to apologize there fella!

I'm no Chris Kyle and your not that great either so let's get back on the 1000 yard line and talk about it and NRA High Power Rules apply....

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I find how pathetic how pseudosportsmen will cut down and chastise other sportsmen for whatever reason they themselves think. I don’t care if you’re my Neighbor, my Best Friend, Sir David E. Petzal, Uncle Ted or even Gunny R. Lee Ermey, they all done something I picked up on which in fact I can go off on but I don’t, we all have our faults and as long as “Good Sportsmanship, respect in one another and to promote the great outdoors” I can live with it. DEP is a good sport and I would say I sure like to grab a can of ammo out of the locker and spend an hour or two on the range with him. Why, it’s between DEP and I and that is where I will leave it and beside, we would have a blast!! I was taught and learned through rubbing shoulders with other Sportsmen “TRUE SPORTSMEN” and by the way some of them the best in the Nation and learned a lot even from the beginners!! True Sportsmen are those who are your best friend the problem is, you just never met’yet. They will kindly walk over and tell you that your zipper down and do it in such a way it doesn’t embarrass you in front of the congregation at Church.

I don’t know anyone who has the corner of it all. The way we do and what we believe will differ pending on our teachings, personal flavors, geographical locations and upbringings. In Alaska, there are those we/they call Outsiders who believe the 300 Win Mag is the best rifle while the Residents favor the 338 Win Mag. From Desert Poodles to Mule Deer, for one cartridge to fit all will differ as I’m competent with Mule Deer with my 22-250 while some will prefer a 375 H&H. Under kill – over kill, our beliefs go from one end of the spectrum to the other.

As for Ice Cream, I prefer Breyers® Vanilla Bean in a large glass measuring cup with just an ounce or two of milk hand stirred. Now how many folks would prefer that as their favorite?

As for SP’s video, I will agree if you’re going to put something out for the entire world to see, at least look good at doing it or just save it for Family viewing. At least “The Best and Worst of Tred Barta” does it as humanly possible. By the way, what’s the latest word on him?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

By the way,

Sheriffs first,' gun bills clear Montana House committee

www.missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/montana-legislature/sheriffs-...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Awesome CharityBT and a +1 for you, you are a great Sportswoman!

These guys prefer women with more testosterone than they have! LOL!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Uncle Ted & Sarah Palin for 2016?

That would give the Liberals a meltdown!

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from Jihunt wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Anyone who watched the show in its entirety knows that the rifle Sarah Palin took the missed shots with had its scope off; once she got a gun with a zeroed scope she nailed it.

I was impressed that Ms. Palin’s missed shots weren’t edited out; I thought it was an honest portrayal of what actually goes on in the field. They could have easily edited out all but one of the missed shots (that would have made her look great). They chose to honestly show what happened.

Sarah Palin was honest about the hunt. She was involved in the editing of the show; she allowed them to be included.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I guess there is only one way to settle this. The left must send either Obama or Hillary for a Sportsman's Challenge against Sarah Palin. It's the only fair way to settle things.
My guess is even though Obama has shown us that he's a champ with an over and under, he'll push Hillary in front on the gun challenge since HE told the nation when it comes to guns Hillary claims she's "Annie Oakley".
Me...I can't believe he said that, because it's a known fact "Hillary claims to have cut her teeth shooting summers in Scranton Pa." ....which is one of those towns where Obama and the Democratic elitists believe the knuckle draggers there are always clinging to their "Guns and their bibles" (the Democratic Party Sportsmen in San Francisco got a big chuckle out of that one behind closed doors...didn't they).

Then again, perhaps the President would rather send his new Secretary in her place,in which case Sara wouldn't stand a chance.
Legend has it Kerry has "belly crawled" right up on a "12 Point Buck and Massachusetts with his trusty side by side", which the left knows is the number one choice us knuckle draggers use on 12 point bucks.(Of course all Kerry's legends are brought to us by none other than John F. Kerry himself.)

So it's settled!!!!!

Obama, Hillary and Kerry versus Palin in a Sportsman's Challenge sponsered by Field and Stream. Dave can coach TEAM OBAMA and Uncle Ted can coach Sarah.(Am I a marketing genius or what?).

We can hold it New York with DNC approved weaponry. Cuomo can hand out each contestant 7 rounds each, so that it's all is legal. At that time the Left can release a statement telling PETA and the Public that no Fish or Animals were harmed in the filming of this event (wouldn't want Cuomo to lose any of the Anti Vote...eh?)
Biden will be allowed to sit on the highest seat in the stands and jump up and down applauding everytime Obama has an inflection in his speech.(heh, heh...couldn't resist).

Since we are in New York they should fish for Great Lakes King Salmon in the River with rod and reel. First one to fair catch,land,process, cook and eat one gets 5 points and the ability to glow in the dark.(Hillary vs. Sarah)

Second will be a woodcock hunt up in the Tug Hill area. The left will probably want Obama and his O/U on that one....though I suspect if things get tough he may call in a drone strike. (Obama vs. Hillary)

The third event can be Big Game. Kerry and his side by side vs. Sarah and her bolt action.(Kerry vs. Palin)

Lastly, there will be a hike over rough terrain. Each champion will be given nothing but a compass, a lighter (so Obama can smoke)and a bottle of designer water (provided by Bloomberg in any size but 32. oz.).
During the race the President can not call in an assist from the Seals but he can use his Main Stream Media Force to attack Palin and her children from the trees, over a fence and from choppers. After all he is entitled to an advantage...as he did tell McCain "elections have consequences". (He's such a good sport, eh?)

Anyway my money is on Palin, not just because she is cuter than those 3 men (oops...sorry Hillary, but you do look like Elmer Keirth in drag), but because she is the only one who doesn't feel a golf course is real nature.

Go with is Dave, we can talk royalties later. We can dedicate it to all to the memory of Ed Zern, he would have liked that. ;)

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

WAM,
Nice to be noticed!
Right on with your description.
Cheers.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

George Reynolds,
I would suggest doing a brief bio search of Mr. Petzel and any prior questions of his bonafides, He's the rifle editor for very good reason.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Coop,
a Palin-Uncle Ted ticket?
A Democrat's version of a dream come true.

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from LesserSon wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Scranton? I think you'll find most of your gun-totin' "knuckle daggers" there to be registered democrats, which shows that gun politics does not break cleanly across party lines, at least not here in PA.
Republicans here come in two flavors: suburban small business / trades and rural agriculture / resource extraction. I'm a fifth generation republican. Democrats in PA are working folks, too, not elitists. They tend to concentrate in old factory and mining towns, where labor organized to counter corrupt business practices resembling slavery. Scranton is one of those. Read about the Knox Mine Disaster, and decide for yourself what killed the anthracite industry.
There's a great deal of hypocrisy in the political use of the word "elitist" these days. "Wildcats" (human & otherwise) and their admirers are elitists, in a far truer sense of the word. Shot placement trumps caliber, but .225win on a big animal seems like an attempted stunt, and an uncommon and expensive cartridge like that seems elitist, the way all "wildcats" strike me. Why not a .243win, a working man's cartridge?

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from CharityBT wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Jihunt, I thought the VERY same thing! They could have easily edited out the missed shots. I was impressed that they chose not to. Sadly, if I was Sarah, I'd probably wish I had, now, after this article and all the criticism aimed at her. It was my impression that showing the missed shots made her look very human and it showed her hunt in true-to-life form - that stuff happens. In the end, she got her caribou and that's what matters.

So much pressure; so much stress to be perfect at everything these days. Relax and enjoy life! No one's perfect.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Ah, I see. Now the angle the fan club wants to work is that it was great for Sarah to show herself missing the caribou repeatedly rather than edit it out, or stage some other more "conventional" kill scene and use that footage instead. Now it's about praising her for being genuine. Okay, but the honest authentic footage shows some problems with her shooting technique. That just can't be denied. But, it seems, it can't be acknowledged either. I'm not really concerned about whether she missed the animal four or five times (I didn't count them) or that some other amazingly fortuitous and supposedly authentic film footage of her dad tripping and falling explains shooting several rounds and not connecting with anything but air. It's a plausible explanation on the face of it. So let's leave the missed shots behind for a moment. Petzal observed that the gun handling in the bravely authentic but not very complementary video clip above showed bush league shooting form. And it did. I guess many of us are baffled as to why it is now so noble for Palin to admit to purposely showing herself missing (albeit with an explanation) what's being shot at while still stubbornly refusing to admit that something was seriously amiss with her shooting form in the same noble footage. Perhaps that's because there wasn't any other footage available (or made available) to explain away the gun handling? Or perhaps producer Palin didn't even know there was anything wrong with her gun handling when she finished the final edits?

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from Jihunt wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Palin's brother, Chuck Heath Jr. wrote this letter to the editor of "Field & Stream".
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"I sent the following letter to the editor of Field & Stream in response to an article, Sarah Palin’s Shooting by David E. Petzal, posted at their site. It’s disappointing that the letter even had to be written to a publication such as theirs, but the inaccuracies will not go unanswered.

"Letter to the Editor of Field & Stream

February 13, 2013

Dear Editor,

As a fan of Field and Stream dating back to my childhood, it was very disheartening to read David Petzal’s hit piece on my father Chuck Heath, and my sister Sarah Palin’s caribou hunt in the TLC show, Sarah Palin’s Alaska. Why Mr. Petzal chose to write something like this nearly three years after the fact is perplexing…a cry for attention perhaps?

I shared the article with my parents and my mother responded by saying, “This is so ridiculous that it doesn’t even merit a response.”

Mom’s probably right but I guess I’m too stubborn to drop it that easily.

Petzal implying that Sarah has no experience with guns is akin to the bogus Washington Post story this week that said Sarah is going to work for Al Jazeera. Even a tiny bit of digging would have lead Mr. Petzal to a completely different conclusion.

So please allow me to set some facts straight:

First of all, I can’t recall the first time my sisters and I ever pulled the trigger on a rifle. We were too young to remember. Guns have been a part of my family for generations. My father and I recently wrote a book (Our Sarah: Made in Alaska) that chronicles some of our early hunting experiences.

So what are the facts? For one, Mr. Petzal leads the reader to believe that Sarah didn’t sight her gun in before the hunt. Totally untrue. The day before they set out after their prey, Sarah and Dad were consistently “driving tacks from 100 yards” (as Dad put it) with Sarah’s .225 Winchester. Those of you who watched the show in its entirety know that while walking across the tundra, Dad slipped and fell while carrying Sarah’s gun. He didn’t realize at the time that he had knocked the scope askew.

When it came time for Sarah to take her shot, she took aim, fired, and missed badly. Dad (or one of the nitwits as Petzal cruely refers to him) is visibly frustrated. After sixty-plus years of continual hunting and big game guiding, he has earned that right. Even at nearly 75 years old, I doubt Petzal could keep up with him. When it becomes obvious that Sarah’s scope is out of whack, she switches guns with Dad’s buddy, Becker. (By the way, Becker is not a guide as Petzal mentions in his piece, nor is he a nitwit).

As Sarah gets ready to fire Becker’s Remington 7mm Magnum, she asks if it has much of a kick. Why? Because her .225 doesn’t kick and she can keep her eye closer to the scope. My mom once had a nasty circle cut around her eye doing the same thing and Sarah never forgot that.

Once Sarah settled in with the 7mm, she dropped her caribou in one shot.

By the way, the day after the hunt, Dad set up some paper plates at fifty yards and couldn’t hit them with the .225. The scope was that far off.

If you doubt any of the things I’ve said perhaps you should talk to some of the people that were actually there. Here are a few of them:

-Stryker Overly – guide from Tok, Alaska
-Greg Jennen – owner of Alaska Glacier Mountain Outfitters in Two Rivers, Alaska
-John Pontz – bush pilot from Unalakleet, Alaska
-Mitch Tanen – Television Producer with Mark Burnett Productions
-Steve Becker – commercial fisherman and hunting buddy

Mitch Tanen in particular had this to say: “I’m sorry to hear that the magazine is calling into question the authenticity of the hunt we showed in that episode. I don’t know how to say it plain enough…the actual hunt and the story of all the events of that hunt as laid out in the episode are all true. There were always no less then ten people following Sarah, your father and Steve Becker during the four-day shoot. So in addition to your father and Steve Becker, an additional producer, at least two camera operators, two audio mixers, several PA’s, a coordinator, medical personnel, safety personnel and at least one of the two bush pilots we depended on to get us out into the bush from Kavik Camp, were there and had eyes on Sarah at the moment she shot the caribou. To suggest that somehow all of these individuals (including me) with our own differing political views would risk the professional reputations some of us have spent a life time building to make up something like that for the good of a television show is both ignorant and insulting.”

Petzal’s piece is full of gaping holes and tarnishes the reputation of everyone who was involved in that hunt.

As Sarah explains, “He’s the typical lying SOB-type that I’ve been dealing with since 2008. I’m very disappointed in Field & Stream for printing his garbage. This made-up fantasy of the columnist ranks right up there with yesterday’s report in the Washington Post that claims I’m working for Al Jazeera. My retort to that one was: ‘Uum, right… and tomorrow I’m having coffee with Elvis at the Mocha Moose in Wasilla.’ Really, these silly people need to get a life!”

Thank you,
Chuck Heath, Jr."

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

The radical left wing media hates Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich because they have the guts to call them out.

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from CharityBT wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

@ Ontario Honker...you are a sad little man. You are spending WAY too much energy on this subject. Go take a walk or something..walk it off. Its all going to be ok. Sheesh!

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from buckstopper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

The relentless pursuit of degrading those who are not blessed with perfect skills or drink the same political kool-aid by internet busybodies and bored journalist never ceases to amaze me. As for Ms Palin, politics and hunting skills aside, she was there during the devastating storms that hit Alabama in the spring of 2011. The TV crews weren't there, but Ms. Palin was, rolling up her sleeves and pitching in with the clean up crews made up of thousands of volunteers of Alabamians and many hundreds of relief workers from all across the country. She could have made it a photo op but the show of support to the victims and relief workers was appreciated nonetheless.
Yep, she's not one of those polished outdoor people with flawless skills or the smartest woman in the country, but as a caring person who ultimately puts her faith in God first, giving of herself, flaws and all, she's alright with me.

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from GPBound wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Charity…I concur wholeheartedly, just relax and enjoy. Unfortunately you have entered a parallel universe here where the likes of Ontario Honker and his ilk portray themselves as something to outdoors people… trust me you’re wasting precious time.

We should however send our congrats for I hear the Honkster is the first ever to score in Ontario’s little known ‘Bi-Polar’ Bear hunt….harvesting his quota (some would say well over limit) and consuming all the bounty.

This dude is so far up a Democrats ass Obama’s proctologist is returning to night school.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Someone ought to sit down and compare the results of her managing Alaska and Obama organizing his neighborhood in Chicago.
It's no wonder the left is scared of her management style. She returned thousands to each tax payer in Alaska.You want to scare a liberal talk about lowering the working stiffs taxes or returning some money to the folks who pay taxes.
In Obama's MANAGED neighborhood, 500 kids are murdered each year, the ecconomy of his former state and city is destroyed and there are few places with dirtier, more crime infested politicans.
....and that is the truth when it's apples to apples.
So after Trillions wasted, a divided nation, a corrupt government running guns they don't want you to have to drug cartels......tell me again which one is stupid.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

A long time ago I once asked what made Dave Petzal smile. Now I know.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Jihunt, thanks for comming forth with the litter.

When I read David Petzal what he writes today, more often I wonder what's his case & point is but I finding myself holding my nose now.

As for Sir Phil Bourjaily (A True Sportsmen) it's full of really neat stuff and info I wouldn't of even thought about. But most of all, it's what I would want those from new to the advance Sportsmen especially those who know nothing about our world who may think negatively watching CNN etc about the outdoors to read and watch.

As I see it, this isn't about Sarah Palin's shooting missed shots, it's about what lead up to it. At first thought, I would truly believe David with his master (?) knowledge (?) of hunting and shooting experience would have a very good idea and like a Detective have easily figured it out, but grossly didn't.

If I was to write an article, I would have summarized the most likely what occurred and suggested what I would have done from my experience in Alaska.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

MICHMAN your dead on Shooter!

I wonder who's side Petzal is really on, he's doing allot of fragging on our own. Perhaps he's bucking for a job with the Huffington Compost, ya'think?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Congratulations buckstopper, you made my,

From Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read,

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from RockySquirrel wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Are you guys STILL whacking away at this topic?

Mr. Petzal did his job. His is paid to get people to read his magazine and generate hits on this web site. You may be mad, but I might suspect that big Dave is getting a raise on all this traffic. Its all about advertising.

I am also beginning to suspect that some of these “trolls” are phonies that turn up from the to time to fire up the readers and keep them web hits a coming. Advertising pays the freight and print journalism is a tough racket.

In this case, Dave, from what I read above, you may need to Cowboy Up and do an apology.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Speaking of Obama’s proctologist; he's the go-to guy for a frontal lobotomy....doesn't leave scars...

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from shane wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Look at that big long letter. Too bad you can just watch the video above it and see how pathetic this "hunt" was.

"Does it kick?!?"

Ugh.

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from shane wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I'm sick of the "dropped the gun" excuse. You have to know your gear. You either have confidence that the gun is still on or you don't shoot it until you know it is. It's called common sense, not to mention ethics. I also have to wonder how much of a fall on to grass it takes to knock a scope off of zero. It all reeks of low grade hunting and shooting skills. No one is going to rip into you if you don't claim to be something, but once you do, you're expected to put up or shut up.

Also, this blog would never have happened if there wasn't all sorts of whining on the last one from people that think would-be politicians are their friends or are good for the image of hunters and shooter. Wake up. They're not. Clinging to Sarah Palin these days is almost as willfully ignorant as still thinking Obama is gonna change the country for the better.

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from shane wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

.225 Winchester - The experienced caribou hunter's cartridge!

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from Thomas Kennedy wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Just wondering, Petzal what's your biggest big game animal. Chuck Heath Sr., who you are bad mouthing has a top 40 BC goat and was a hunting partner with Chuck Moe and Lew Bradley. No high fence game ranches for those fellas.

Sarah is ok people just hate the notion of being Alaskan.

thats fine.

Sincerely,
Thomas

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

shane

Obviously you have ZIP!, ZERO!, NADA!, not one bit of knowledge about caribou hunting!

Caribou,

The size of a caribou is between a Mule Deer and Elk, but not so big you can’t load one up on the front of an 1987 Suzuki 250 Quadrunner 4x4 ATV. As for knocking down a Caribou they are actually almost as easy as Antelope, they can’t take the punishment like Elk. A 270 loaded with Hornady 130 grain Spire Point, works just as good as my 338 Win Mag with 225’s, just got to let the air out of the critter! My second Caribou, I was going to use my 25-06 but word was out about a Grizzly on the same mountain side as usually checking out the gut piles.
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ken.mcloud said it best! “So, I think that the superior killing power of larger rounds is largely in our heads.(likely testosterone induced) A flat-shooting round that you can accurately place will produce as many if not more "bang-flop" kills as a heavy caliber round.”
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On the other hand
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"We have not heard from Ken McCloud in ages hope he was not carrying a fast stepping small caliber rifle and ran into a testosterone laden elephant that could not spell hydrostatic shock. Just teasing Clay. Kindest Regards"
-Happy Myles
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The truth is!
There is so much “RED MEAT” out there on the Gun Debate, any Editor or Writer has now a smorgasbord from Wyoming’s new Law to Arkansas Concealed Carry on Campus and what’s now blowing up in Obama’s face,
Obamacare Amendment Forbids Gun and Ammo Registration,
Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c..
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By the way shane,

Snit happens to the best of the best, they are human also, if you haven't looked....

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Nice to see you're still around Shane. Sad that you will now be instantly lumped with the ranks of Liberals ... whether you like it or not. Wasn't "You're either for us or against us" also Stalin's motto? For the record, the last time I voted for a Democrat was Walter Mondale. And I have never voted for either a Liberal or Conservative Canadian Prime Minister. Anyway, all good points, Shane. I agree, using a .225 Win varmint gun to shoot caribou is extremely bad form. Actually, downright UNETHICAL. Perhaps it is a good thing Sarah fanned on those shots with that gun (especially the ones taken while the caribou was on the run). Otherwise the footage of them chasing a wounded animal might have been even less edifying. In fact, one of the editors over at another magazine's gun nut site voted .225 Win one of the best candidates for VARMINT calibers to be discontinued (Boddington at h.ttp://w.ww.rifleshootermag.com/2009/01/01/cartridges-we-can-live-without/ Sorry, boys and girls, but if God Almighty took a varmint gun caribou hunting, I'd still criticize Him as unethical.

Clay, you claim to have been a range master up in Alaska. Is that the way everyone shoots a gun up there? In tandem? I find it hard to believe you wouldn't have stuck your foot up the butt of any soldier who would have used that technique on your range.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

And Clay, if one takes a .225 Win hunting caribou, he/she is just asking for snit to happen. No excuse for that.

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from Bonnie wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Reading through the comments (!) I noticed that no one has pointed out a few things that did jump out at me. Let's say a party of 3 goes hunting, 2 nights, a few days, fireside chats, etc. These are 2 well known old pros and a nearly-50 year old woman who claims to have been filling the freezer when it's her turn, claims to have killed many animals, life-long hunter, been around guns her whole life, etc. So these 3 go on a caribou hunt, and we see the weird antics during the shooting section. Arms a flying, shooting at a moving animal with a tiny rifle, so many hands working the bolt. She doesn't carry her own rifle, she apparently really has no rifle but the father's, she asks at second 22 of the video if his rifle kicks. Then again when the friend offers her his own rifle, she asks if THAT one kicks. Now this is the part I just can't imagine...that a person, woman or man, who claims to have been hunting most of their life, claims to have filled the freezer many times, claims to have gone hunting and killed animals many times.....this person over the 3 day hunting trip did not even one time ask her hunting partner what kind of rifle he carried? No casual banter about the suitability of one rifle over another, no discussion as to ammo, the power and kick of the rifle, etc. This is with a hunting partner! Hard to imagine someone growing up around hunting, claiming to be a hunter, yet apparently having no intellectual interest whatsoever as to the firearm her hunting partner was carrying, and apparently no basic knowledge of the few types of rifles that are actually used in Alaska for Caribou, what kind of kick would entail from using them. The other point I wondered about, why was her hunting partner ready with a round in the chamber with a much larger rifle than the one her father gave her to shoot with? Was there a plan already in action to ensure the kill which could very well have been jeopardized by the use of the varmint gun? The whole thing seems so bogus. I would never have let my own teenager continue to pose with his kills if he had not progressed to carrying his own rifle, working the mechanisms of his own firearm, aiming by himself, and gutting his own animal, dealing with all the meat. THEN he could pose with the head of the animal and call it his own. Not when he is nearly 50, after years of "hunting" with his father really doing the whole thing.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Bonnie, I'm not sure but as I recall the other guy did cycle a round into his 7mm Mag before handing it to Palin. Might be wrong on that though. Sorry, but I have watched that clip twice already and that's enough! Not going through it again. By the way, 7mm RM is a very respectable caliber for shooting large deer species - and even bear, which may have been why it was brought along. That peashooter of hers wouldn't have saved them if a real "mama grizzly" got upset.

Sounds like you have your boy on the right track. Safe and ethical. Good for you.

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from Kenon wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal.......Sarah Palin’s father took a tumble with that rifle! The gun sight was off; if you’d finished the show, you would have known that.

Sarah Palin hunts for the meat; she hunted and shot a caribou, and then field dressed it (!) to bring home for food.

Most critics are negative on Palin going in, and nothing she could do or say will change their minds. Sarah, and the Palin family in general, are going to have detractors no matter what they do.

The PDS loons have watched every show and they know that in the second episode of SPA that Sarah Palin is loading the gun for Bristol the same way that her Dad loaded the rifle for her. Sarah Palin is out skeet shooting with Bristol in that episode. Bristol shoots and misses and Sarah Palin puts the bullet in the gun for her.

PDS, or Palin Derangement Syndrome, is never going to wane.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I have been "flying" on airplanes for 40+ years, but that does not make me an expert "flyer", i.e. airline pilot! So, given Ms. Palin has been "hunting" with her family most of her life, that still does not make her a "hunter" in the true sense of the word. I have a dear friend who has "hunted" most of his life as well, but is a much better camp cook than anything else. When the moment of truth arrives, he fumbles, turns in circles, misses, can't reload, etc. Total clutz. I'm glad he was in the Navy during the Vietnam era else his name would have been on the Wall, I'm sure. Point being is that we should snicker, sneer, laugh, or whatever at this foolery on TV much the way we see Lee and Tiffany, et al and get a life! No reason to go on and on about Sarah Palin just because you don't like her or her politics.

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from Kenon wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter

Did you read Chuck Heath Jr’s letter to the editor of "Field & Stream"?

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"I sent the following letter to the editor of Field & Stream in response to an article, Sarah Palin’s Shooting by David E. Petzal, posted at their site. It’s disappointing that the letter even had to be written to a publication such as theirs, but the inaccuracies will not go unanswered.

February 13, 2013

Dear Editor,

As a fan of Field and Stream dating back to my childhood, it was very disheartening to read David Petzal’s hit piece on my father Chuck Heath, and my sister Sarah Palin’s caribou hunt in the TLC show, Sarah Palin’s Alaska. Why Mr. Petzal chose to write something like this nearly three years after the fact is perplexing…a cry for attention perhaps?

I shared the article with my parents and my mother responded by saying, “This is so ridiculous that it doesn’t even merit a response.”

Mom’s probably right but I guess I’m too stubborn to drop it that easily.

Petzal implying that Sarah has no experience with guns is akin to the bogus Washington Post story this week that said Sarah is going to work for Al Jazeera. Even a tiny bit of digging would have lead Mr. Petzal to a completely different conclusion.

So please allow me to set some facts straight:

First of all, I can’t recall the first time my sisters and I ever pulled the trigger on a rifle. We were too young to remember. Guns have been a part of my family for generations. My father and I recently wrote a book (Our Sarah: Made in Alaska) that chronicles some of our early hunting experiences.

So what are the facts? For one, Mr. Petzal leads the reader to believe that Sarah didn’t sight her gun in before the hunt. Totally untrue. The day before they set out after their prey, Sarah and Dad were consistently “driving tacks from 100 yards” (as Dad put it) with Sarah’s .225 Winchester. Those of you who watched the show in its entirety know that while walking across the tundra, Dad slipped and fell while carrying Sarah’s gun. He didn’t realize at the time that he had knocked the scope askew.

When it came time for Sarah to take her shot, she took aim, fired, and missed badly. Dad (or one of the nitwits as Petzal cruely refers to him) is visibly frustrated. After sixty-plus years of continual hunting and big game guiding, he has earned that right. Even at nearly 75 years old, I doubt Petzal could keep up with him. When it becomes obvious that Sarah’s scope is out of whack, she switches guns with Dad’s buddy, Becker. (By the way, Becker is not a guide as Petzal mentions in his piece, nor is he a nitwit).

As Sarah gets ready to fire Becker’s Remington 7mm Magnum, she asks if it has much of a kick. Why? Because her .225 doesn’t kick and she can keep her eye closer to the scope. My mom once had a nasty circle cut around her eye doing the same thing and Sarah never forgot that.

Once Sarah settled in with the 7mm, she dropped her caribou in one shot.

By the way, the day after the hunt, Dad set up some paper plates at fifty yards and couldn’t hit them with the .225. The scope was that far off.

If you doubt any of the things I’ve said perhaps you should talk to some of the people that were actually there. Here are a few of them:

-Stryker Overly – guide from Tok, Alaska
-Greg Jennen – owner of Alaska Glacier Mountain Outfitters in Two Rivers, Alaska
-John Pontz – bush pilot from Unalakleet, Alaska
-Mitch Tanen – Television Producer with Mark Burnett Productions
-Steve Becker – commercial fisherman and hunting buddy

Mitch Tanen in particular had this to say: “I’m sorry to hear that the magazine is calling into question the authenticity of the hunt we showed in that episode. I don’t know how to say it plain enough…the actual hunt and the story of all the events of that hunt as laid out in the episode are all true. There were always no less then ten people following Sarah, your father and Steve Becker during the four-day shoot. So in addition to your father and Steve Becker, an additional producer, at least two camera operators, two audio mixers, several PA’s, a coordinator, medical personnel, safety personnel and at least one of the two bush pilots we depended on to get us out into the bush from Kavik Camp, were there and had eyes on Sarah at the moment she shot the caribou. To suggest that somehow all of these individuals (including me) with our own differing political views would risk the professional reputations some of us have spent a life time building to make up something like that for the good of a television show is both ignorant and insulting.”

Petzal’s piece is full of gaping holes and tarnishes the reputation of everyone who was involved in that hunt.

As Sarah explains, “He’s the typical lying SOB-type that I’ve been dealing with since 2008. I’m very disappointed in Field & Stream for printing his garbage. This made-up fantasy of the columnist ranks right up there with yesterday’s report in the Washington Post that claims I’m working for Al Jazeera. My retort to that one was: ‘Uum, right… and tomorrow I’m having coffee with Elvis at the Mocha Moose in Wasilla.’ Really, these silly people need to get a life!”

Thank you,
Chuck Heath, Jr."

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Kenon,
Yeah, I read it and the other BS ad nauseum. The Heath Jr. letter was posted 4 times already on this thread before you saw fit to repeat the obvious. Did you think posting it again would prove or disprove anything different?

What's your point?

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Gosh, this is a good thread!! I'm not sure what makes me laugh harder? Those trying to defend Sarah or those who think Petzal gives a damn what they think.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Dave,

I hope a sequel is in the works...

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Bonnie, I'm glad you and the other 3 new lady posters decided to make your first posts ever on this very thread. This is just great !
I seems once again that Sarah has succeded in getting women off the couch and involved in discussions regarding the great outdoors. Isn't she GREAT!
Now that we have a following of these first time women, I think I'll suggest to the editors that they give Sarah a "Women in the Outdoors" column. She can write it each month and bring more women to the magazine. Hell, I'll bet she becomes a bigger draw than some of the existing staff. Imagine that...women all over the world picking up F&S feeling like there is a place to go on every thing from Outdoor cooking to Hunting and Fishing as a family. I'll bet she brings a good 25 % increase in sales the very first issue with her on the cover giving Dave a nice smile.This will be big, if only they are smart enough to approach her before Al Jazzera gets her.
;)

(Now I feel bad because I thought all these ladies who signed up only to jump on this thread were just some frustrated little man typing away in his underpants with a wig on hoping Mom doesn't walk in.)

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from Bonnie wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Mr. HaveRod, I'm sorry, did not know that there was some posting longevity rule here. I'm pretty sure I was reading Field and Stream before you were ever born, back in the 50's when my Dad would fish the Queets and the Hoh. F&S always seemed to be in stacks on the coffee table, I had fun reading it before I was even 5 years old, although it seemed to be more oriented to fish then. Since then I've cooked in numerous hunting camps. (The rule, cook just about anything, but lots of it!) BTW, do you know what is, or how to use a kerosene can oven? I don't hunt, but like I said in my previous post, I have never been around hunters who don't talk about their rifles and ammo, who home loads, who likes the .06 the best, etc. And, yes they all know which rifles kick. Heck I even know which ones kick the most, just from osmosis in the hunting camp. I can't imagine a "hunter" being totally uninterested in the guns and ammo of the others on a small hunt, not even interested in her own gun or ammo in this video, one's life could be in danger in the hunting of moose or bear, and if hunting deer in the islands of the gulf of Alaska, while gutting a deer one just might feel the tap of a brown bear on your shoulder, telling you to get the F out of there. Anyway, in a small group every hunter is really responsible for looking our for the actions of himself and the other hunters, one way that is important is knowing the firearms used, and not expecting to have a gun course narrated to you in an emergency because you are a neophyte posing as an expert for a TV show. That would not be such a funny scene (the shooting scene in the video) if they were in the close quarters of the woods and there was an angry mama moose around. Or a real Mama Griz. Can you imagine the Dad man handling her (his) rifle and trying to work the bolt while there is a charging animal? But you're right in a way, I'm busy and I probably won't be posting anymore! Nice to meet you!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

OH

I’ll start with the 225 Winchester on Caribou is really pushing the limits not saying it can’t be done which I believe it can with 60-63 grain Soft Point. But the wind conditions are absolutely wicked and just looking across the tundra, it’s very hard to judge. Just walking 50 yards can go from graveyard calm to a category 6 hurricane.

As for Alaska Residents shooting? Conditions and gear is totally different than that would be used in the lower 48, actually its better, cheaper and far better quality; “There is no bad days if you’re properly equipped”. In Alaska, equipment gets pounded and dropped, weather & terrain conditions and travel plays absolute hell on everything. Alaska Residents are like anyone else; they put on their pants just like we do and the “well seasoned “ hunters chances are in better physical condition to handle that environment. As for Sarah Palin, the fact is she isn’t a “Tom Boy”!

As for my 9 ½ Wide on Soldiers, I did that periodically. (LOL). It was more the lack of confidence in their equipment, how to use it, most of all the ill advised, poor & misguided training.
Other, I can’t believe you did that and it all comes from outsiders
Two Enlisted practicing for the State Police with a 454 Casull at 25 yards. As long as the target didn’t move, it was safe!
Colonel with a 340 Weatherby , nuked the scope on the 3rd shot and replaced it with a Tasco 3x9. The rest of the story is self explanatory! OUCH!
Shooter with reloaded ammunition forbidden to shoot until all resizing dripping with (grossly excessive & dripping) lubricant is removed.
Caribou Hunter with an 03-A3 with a round in the chamber with the firing pin lowered riding a Suzuki 230 Quad Racer with a 5 gallon plastic gas can tied around his handle bar.
2 Fellas sighted there 300 Mags in at 450ish yards for a Sheep hunt and the Rams were at 175-200 yards down hill.
And the list goes on and on and on!
But if you notice, the real problem really isn’t the Alaska Hunter and yes, they are prone to the O’by the ways like anyone else. But the truth of the matter is the Outsiders who come to Alaska listening to Armchair Specialists. One Fella at a Gun Store tried to sale a Lady a Mini 14 for her husband for Moose and Grizzly hunt.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Bonnie, your osmosis is showing and it is really rank!!

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Clay, Exactly what is "rank" with Bonnie's post? I find the two most recent to be well thought out and informative. She is one of the few posters who has not escalated this circus into something which it is not. However, her common sense is taking all of the fun out of it.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

If I was asked, who would be the best Sportsmen I ever knew ?

I can think of many names, but the two who popup in my mind is those who go out of there way and sacrifice there time to help everyone.

For me, it's a tossup!

National Champion Nancy Tomkins

And

University of Alaska Fairbanks Randy Pitney

Why?

They are the best of the best and they treat others as if they are there best friend, they just haven't met'yet!

My case & point is this,

Why is it, I can think of outstanding Sportsmen to talk about than read trash that is like the one above?

Seriously!

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from Bonnie wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Hi Clay, I think I saw you with a bunch of guys all decked out in new Eddie Bauer with the creases still in them, at the Anchorage Airport. Were you the one that was talking so loud that people 10 feet away were wincing? The one with the beer belly and reddish face? There is always a blowhard. It makes layovers in the airport almost fun watching you Alaska wanna-be's.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Thanks buckhunter, had to go back to Bonnie and re’read her post. PC locked up and misread what she wrote.

Anyhow, at this moment I’m looking for WA Hunters recipe for crow!

Hey Bonnie, welcome to the club! Sorry for the screw-up and by the way, I don’t do Eddie Bauer, personally the line sucks and all my Alaska hunts where without aircraft except for one

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from Bonnie wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Uh, OK, I think that means I don't have to dream up any more insults. Ha Ha. Anyway I did always like F&S when I was little, I never dreamed I'd be posting on it.

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from Del in KS wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Dave,

I don't want to say this too loud. Might cause a stampede to the nearest magazine stand. Mz Elisha Cuthbert is on the cover of the latest issue of Maxim magazine. Saw it last night in the mail flow at work.
Enjoy.
This thing about Sarah Palin is much ado about... not much IMNSHO.
I would like to publicly thank the Editors in general and Mr. Slaton White in particular for selecting yours truly to test in-line muzzleloaders. After the testing is done I know two new young hunters that are going to get a nice surprise.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Bonnie my Grandfather loved F&S and passed away at 103 with several more to read.

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from Del in KS wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I'll bet someone in Sarah's family reads this blog so I would like to say to Sarah. I love you mam. You just came on the national political scene too soon before you had the experience to deal with the hostile Communist American press. The reason we got this horrible excuse of a President who had even less experience than Sarah IS this adoring bunch of wh0res that run cover for him. Just think what they would be doing if Benghazi gate or Operation fast and furious had been on Bush or any Republican for that matter.

To my fellow shooters: Sarah is not the enemy that would be Obomber and his gang of Chicago thugs.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Bonnie, you hale from the Olympic Peninsula then. I met my late wife 25 years ago last summer at Port Angles and we had our first date fishing for cohos on my cruiser out at the six-mile buoy. I miss those days as I'm sure you do. I also worked a five month stint at Brooks River a few years back. Fished almost every day. My then new Scientific Angler reel was completely worn out by end of summer. Don't concern yourself much with Clay. He's like your mosquitoes - can be very annoying but not much too them.

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from Bonnie wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Honker, yes, just outside of the ON Forest on the coast. north of Aberdeen. I will NEVER quit pining for that rain forest, us kids ran around like wild banshees, ran all the trails, camped wherever, whenever all summer long. I still can taste those red huckleberries. My Dad (the fisherman) taught me all the trees and bushes, animals that we saw, fish of course. He was a naturalist before anyone used the word. He told me not to worry about black bears, that one glimpse of us wild kids the bear would run away as fast as he could!

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from Del in KS wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Sorry Sarah meant to say I love you ma'am.

Case in point recently Obomber did a photo op of him shooting skeet. Did anyone see any liberals (press or otherwise) pointing out he is an obvious fake??? Guys we need to overlook stuff like this thing about Sarah. She is on our side of the gun issue. The lib media will give us plenty of negative publicity without us helping. Or would you rather help them run cover for him.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Del in KS

AMEN! AMEN! & AMEN!

You have a typo Sir, should of said, didn't come soon enough!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Just what part of Sarah Palin is a Lady, not a Tom Boy!

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from AKGRIZ wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Mr Petzal,

You're assumptions based on a mass-dissiminated, edited video are at best juvenile and at worst libel. You're assertions are foolish and your conclusions based on facts unknowable.You chose to publicly attack someone based on nothing more than your biased opinion based altered, incomplete and chronologically inaccurate footage which anyone with even a smidgen of common sense could surmise was the case. Aparently sir, you have agenda and don't mind inventing facts to forward it.

How do I know of what I speak? I was there. You were not. I've not read any of your former blather and I'm certain I won't start now. I also sincerely hope you're former reader's numbers grow. After all how can information garnered from someone who failed to retain the basic lesson taught every boy in in preschool be held at all reliable. Let me remind you. Big boys don't pick on girls.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Bonnie,
I had no idea that you knew our resident Range Monkey! LMAO!

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from Bonnie wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Mr AKGriz, if you click on the link in his column, you'd see that Petzal previously hit on the shooting skills of many politicians, including Hillary Clinton, a "girl".

Speaking unfortunately as yet another "girl", I really hate to see that "big boys don't pick on girls" as the reason that you don't like the column. We girls can stick up for ourselves! If the film contained altered, incomplete and chronologically inaccurate footage that is hardly the fault of the viewer. If you were there, you must know...who put the segment together and OK'd it?

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from Tim Platt wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Amen on the Elisha note Del, I was thinking it yesterday. I love Sarah too, despite her apparent hunting in-expertise.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

WAM, If your talking about me, Bonnie mistaken me for someone else, I don't do Eddie Bauer yet alone Tommy Pull My Finger!

Nice try Bud!

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from the Preacher wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

OntarioHunter. Funny comments. If you are really from the land o lakes then please understand the US right is heavily on the defensive and cannot take any criticism right now. I would very much appreciate if you kept your voice heard on this blog. It is most important to have all perspectives. And as you suggested I did check out your trophy board. Obviously great skills, but what makes me cringe with jealousy is of course your labs. Thanks

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from the Preacher wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Strange that many people are comfortable attacking MCcain but defend Palin. He would have been her boss! its not about politics or the economy or humans, its about semi autos. Just buy a few ARs, be grandfathered in, and be done with it.

And its true Ted Nugent does far more harm than good.
-Rule number 1 in politics, "it doesnt matter what happens, what matters is the public perception of what happens" he can make a lot of good points, but if he is perceived as crazy his points are lost or worse. Of course he isnt as bad as Ann Coulter for the republicans. Cant we find intelligent voices!!! I vote for Steven Rinell author of "meat eater" and Buffalo Hunter" also host of "meat eater" tv show. Smart people make more sense!

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from Ellen Gbane wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

@Clay Cooper
“Just what part of Sarah Palin is a Lady, not a Tom Boy!”

Certainly the part where she is deferential rather than confrontational with men; she comfortably relies on her husband, her father, her brother and other; and the part where she wears dresses and skirts instead of pant suits.

Also the story she tells about her Dad trying to hand her eye balls -- a bridge too far.

Oh back to dresses and skirts sure Tom Boys might wear them, but they would not be as comfortable as Sarah Palin, moreover Sarah Palin seem to like them along with very high heels. Mostly she’s a lady because she can dress-up or dress down with equal skill.

@ Bonnie
“If the film contained altered, incomplete and chronologically inaccurate footage that is hardly the fault of the viewer. If you were there, you must know...who put the segment together and OK'd it?”

Given that the episode was 43 minutes long and one can watch it streamed on Netflix, why write a column base on a 3 minute clip.

Why is there a 3 minute clip? Perhaps it was an advertisement for the show, or a web episode clip. Still in any other situation would you expect a review to be based on a movie trailer or web episode clip?

Sure many people might decide whether or not to see a movie based on the trailer or a clip, but we would not expect a review/column to be base on the trailer or clip.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I suppose if I saw a trailer for a movie that clearly showed someone who could not remember his lines or cardboard foliage falling over in the backdrop, that would probably be enough for me to know I didn't need to waste my time or money watching the full length feature. Generally speaking, producers don't put their worst foot forward in the trailers.

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from Proverbs wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Going back to the original post: Why, DEP? Wasn't there anything interesting enough to write about from the SHOT show?

This hunt is a few years old. Why bother?

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from 357 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I love the high number of people who just signed up for this site to tell us all that they would never be back.

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from RockySquirrel wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

The last couple rants on this site are actually pretty funny.

I have only been on this site regularly for here about 2 years, ask a few questions, get some good answers and occasionally comment when I actually have a clue about the subject. And sometimes when I don’t. Usually I say my peace and move on. There is a lost of information about the outdoors GOLD to be mined here, if you can wade through it. There is also a lot of humor to, if you know where to look.

But not only do I seriously believe that some of these trolls are paid ringers to keep the web hits coming, but I am seriously beginning to believe the old guys are just as guilty as the trolls. They deliberately fire up the trolls, so they get a reaction or have someone to argue against. Passes the time before fishing season. Sort of a symbiotic relationship. LOL.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Rock, This video has been plastered on dozens of websites over the past two years and each Website offers the reader a chance to comment. There is nothing new or surprising going on here. The comments on Youtube are nearly 4 to 1 negative reaction to this video. The same comments here were made 2 years ago on other Sites.

Like I said before, this thread would have died a long time ago but the Palin supporters are desperate for press. And any press is good press, so they say.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

BTW, This thread offers a good study in human emotion. Two people can watch the same video and come to two totally different conclusions. Remember the Rodney King video when most of us saw a savage beating but the police officers saw resisting arrest. The same is going on here. If you support Palin, you will justify this video. Otherwise the flaws which Petzal points out are pretty darn obvious.

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from Tim Platt wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

"If you support Palin, you will justify this video". Come on buckhunter, I would argue that that generalization of us dumb gun nuts is extremely inaccurate.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Dr. Ralph, In my attempt to be brief, I generalized that statement but it is accurate. No one with any experience handling firearms would disagree with DEP unless they were... her brother...friend... involved in the filming... political supporter...or in general, a person who supports Palin.

This is not limited to Gun Nuts. Go to, I think, Esquire.com where this same film was posted 2 years ago and read the comments. Esquire readers responded the same as Gun Nuts readers. Why? Sarah's inadequacies with a firearm are painfully obvious. The only person who could possibly disagree with DEP would be her brother (which he should) and other blinded by their support.

Notice how Sarah holds her finger on the trigger near the whole ordeal? Sends chills up my spine just watching.

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from Rifleman1st wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

1st off, my children even though they are grown get the same treatment when they hunt with me. I'm Dad and I want to control everything and make they're hunt perfect.... Secondly, every hunter has knocked a scope off at one point or another. I wonder how many misses you've had edited out of your videos Petzal? I give her credit for hunting period. How many other politicians put themselves out there with something like this? On a side note, .225 Winchester? Awesome! When is the last time you saw one of those?????

Hey Petzal, STFU and go trap shooting with Obama for your next rant...... I'd LOVE to hear about that one....

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Rifleman1st,
"Secondly, every hunter has knocked a scope off at one point or another."

I have scarred up several elk rifles and dinged up scopes over the years. None have been "knocked off" zero. But of course you need quality scopes and sturdy mounts.... So I take exception to your comment above. A .225 Winchester is hardly an awesome caribou rifle. I applaud Ms. Palin's love of the outdoors and love her politics, too. While I am not impressed with her video, I am impressed that she goes hunting!

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

The nice thing is Sarah has a Dad who stayed,worked hard, paid to raise her, took her outdoors hunting and fishing and loves her. Maybe that's why she turned out to be a better manager than Obama.
Obama's old man took off when he was two. He left to impregnate and desert other mothers and children.The nation and Obama's grandmother (who Obama later tossed under the bus to save his butt during the Rev. Wright incident.)paid to raise him.
So tell me...which father do you feel we should be discussing and which one should we as Sportsmen be pointing fingers at.
I can't believe such disrespect for a man who stayed.

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from Safado wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Dave,
Wow you really stirred the pot with this one. You're going to give Bourjaily an inferiority complex.

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from MICHMAN wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

DP advises that SP should tell her dad to shut the "f" up and refers to the caring dad who is sharing in an hunting experience with his daughter as a "nitwit." Is this the PRODUCT that F&S wants to output? Is F&S subscribing to the principle that no publicity is bad publicitiy? I think there might be a nitwit involved and it isn't Sara's father.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

This thing is still going!?! Awesome!
Petzel, don't let this outcome go to your head.

Shame on the fools who bad mouth Ms. Bonnie. Seems honest and likeable enough.

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from Tim Platt wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

All right buckhunter, I thought you were saying if you support Palin you support the cops beating the crap out of Rodney King. You said "this video" and were talking about the other King video right before you said it.

I will admit she is a very inexperienced hunter, but I have a feeling her thoughts on firearms are much more like yours and mine than what Obama's are. All politicians pretend to be everything to everyone.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Gee, I had hoped this thing would peter out before now. Petzal hit a homerun and went on a long holiday weekend! LOL!

Hoski, agreed!

Dr. Ralph, your assessment of politicians is spot on.

Cheers

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from Carol Smith wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

As usual, the Palin's claim to be something they are not.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 7 weeks ago

O' THIS IS TO FUNNY!

THE TRUTH - LIBERAL WOMEN ARE JEALOUS OF SARAH PALIN
Posted by Mike Silverman on Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:34:14 AM
The more I ponder the vitriol and venom that liberal women are spewing like acid at Sarah Palin, the more I have boiled it down to something less complicated than ideology from them. Sarah Palin is what they wish they could be. These liberal ladies want to have the cheers and throngs of full throated support that Sarah has, and they hate the fact that Sarah is an attractive Republican woman. She's strong, confident, Conservative, happy with her life, beautiful and admired by millions. The liberal female pundits, radical feminists and hollywood kooks who have cultivated thier narrow political audiences are bewildered and jealous over this. Sure there's some ideology mixed in, but I think it's used more as a cover for the seething jealousy of her popularity. To these liberal ladies, "they" are supposed to be the pinnacle of popularity. They have prostituted themsleves to the ideology of a fringe viewpoint , and as a result they get "in" to the elite gatherings of social snobbery that represent that radical view of the country. But , do they really believe the lunacy of the liberalism they spew, or are they towing the line so that they can keep that "in" crowd venue with the mopy miserable depressed liberals who wring thier hands at the unfairness of life, financial success, and carbon-dioxide? I think they secretly wish they could "be" Sarah Palin, because Sarah has not had to go "phony" and be something that "others" want her to be in order to "fit in" with the super egos of radical beligerants. She's not one of them. Sarah doesn't care to rub shoulders with the illuminati of liberal inner circles. It doesn't make sense to the liberal mindset. In thier world view there are not supposed to be "normal" people in this country. Or, at least the "normal" people are supposed to be the "fringe" nutcases not the rallying point of the great majority. But the rest of us know why Sarah is popular. Precisely because she represents the core values we cherish most.

- Mike Silverman, Milford MA

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from Jere wrote 1 year 7 weeks ago

For those that want to criticize Sarah Palin, just think she/they could have edited the missed shots out of the show completely.

I give her props for being honest.

Sarah Palin had it right (she told her dad the scope was out of alignment on the first gun and and test of dads rifle proved her confidence in her judgment was accurate); the rifle she had was droped and the scope got knocked out of alignment. If you watched the show you would know that.

She took Becker’s rifle and knocked down the caribou first shot. The fact that she nailed the caribou with one shot when she had a properly sited gun speaks volumes.

She also helped skin and pack the animinal.

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from Daniel Allison wrote 1 year 2 weeks ago

These comments have convinced me that our cause is doomed as we have turned to eating our own. The principle of divide and conquer still works and we have divided ourselves. One of the few friends we have we have sat down to have her for dinner. I would not blame her if she became silent after this savaging by her own people. I feel the same about the way "sportsmen and women" have attacked Ted. Heck we don't need enemies, we have each other. We may as well line up to turn in our guns.

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from kmcpickl wrote 1 year 5 days ago

Hasn't the woman and her family taken enough abuse from the American public? They have a family that is like most other people's families. All sorts of opinions, ideas, and things most people will never agree with. I salute her and her family for standing up and being counted as someone who has tried to represent conservative values in spite of all our lack of respect and courtesy. Shame on us. I wish her and her family all the best.

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from MICHMAN wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

The day after the Pres. of the USA actively promotes gun control in the SOTUA we spend time debating whether or not Sarah Palin is a worthy shooter/hunter? SP has been very supportive of guns and hunting and this is what she gets for her efforts. Criticism from the shooting/hunting, blogger/forum. In-fighting is not productive. Our rights are currently under attack and that is where the legitimate fight is! Same goes for all of the attackers of Ted Nugent. Ted is on the front-line, actively fighting for gun and hunting rights and there are many who wish to point at the speck in his eye for being ticketed for unheard of laws. Wake up. That is the problem. Big Government and it's extreme excess of legislation is eroding our FREEDOM! VP Biden publically anounces that we can't enforce our current laws and yet his ONLY solution for curbing gun violence is MORE LAWS!

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from MICHMAN wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Which pro-gun advocate attended the memorial service for "American Sniper" Chris Kyle? Sarah Palin. Which gun advocate actively countered BHO's national cry for more gun control? Sarah Palin's friend, Ted Nugent. These two patriots are on the front lines fighting for our rights. It's a good thing that their voices are being heard because I don't see too many others successfully defending gun-owners rights. Unfortunately, their outspoken commentary places a huge bullseye on them and they are often attacked by the main-stream media and anti-gun advocates.

Ontario Honker takes great joy in demeaning these two individuals. Nugent was cited in Alaska for a law that doesn't exist anywhere else and a law that even the judge in that area had never heard of. "Tagging an animal after he had already shot and hit another one. A bear that he marginaly hit through the fur with an arrow." Is it beyond your hateful insight to see that Nugent was targeted by federal law enforcement because of his stand against BHO's administration? (See Nugent's commentary via Deer & Deer Hunting magazine)

I am told that 95% of the American population does not hunt. I am thankful that Palin and Nugent use their "public profiles" to educate and inform. Stop HATING and start EDUCATING!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Let's not comment on Ms. Palin's physical attributes or use disparaging comments like "MILF" when describing a lady like Ms. Palin, no more than we should use comments like that about your sister or mother, unless you are willing to post pictures of them for all the low lifes to comment on.....

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from PhilipJames wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

WTF is this article appearing three years after the fact? Is David going to lose his job if he doesn't get more hits on his articles? Is he just a jerkoff? Maybe his change of sexual status is affecting his work life... surgery and the drugs used to deal with such an operation sometimes affects a person for a period after the change... not that there is anything wrong with that and should we be sympathetic?

Sarah's brother answers all the idiotic commentary by this jerkoff...

February 13, 2013

Dear Editor,

As a fan of Field and Stream dating back to my childhood, it was very disheartening to read David Petzal’s hit piece on my father Chuck Heath, and my sister Sarah Palin’s caribou hunt in the TLC show, Sarah Palin’s Alaska. Why Mr. Petzal chose to write something like this nearly three years after the fact is perplexing…a cry for attention perhaps?

I shared the article with my parents and my mother responded by saying, “This is so ridiculous that it doesn’t even merit a response.”

Mom’s probably right but I guess I’m too stubborn to drop it that easily.

Petzal implying that Sarah has no experience with guns is akin to the bogus Washington Post story this week that said Sarah is going to work for Al Jazeera. Even a tiny bit of digging would have lead Mr. Petzal to a completely different conclusion.

So please allow me to set some facts straight:

First of all, I can’t recall the first time my sisters and I ever pulled the trigger on a rifle. We were too young to remember. Guns have been a part of my family for generations. My father and I recently wrote a book (Our Sarah: Made in Alaska) that chronicles some of our early hunting experiences.

So what are the facts? For one, Mr. Petzal leads the reader to believe that Sarah didn’t sight her gun in before the hunt. Totally untrue. The day before they set out after their prey, Sarah and Dad were consistently “driving tacks from 100 yards” (as Dad put it) with Sarah’s .225 Winchester. Those of you who watched the show in its entirety know that while walking across the tundra, Dad slipped and fell while carrying Sarah’s gun. He didn’t realize at the time that he had knocked the scope askew.

When it came time for Sarah to take her shot, she took aim, fired, and missed badly. Dad (or one of the nitwits as Petzal cruely refers to him) is visibly frustrated. After sixty-plus years of continual hunting and big game guiding, he has earned that right. Even at nearly 75 years old, I doubt Petzal could keep up with him. When it becomes obvious that Sarah’s scope is out of whack, she switches guns with Dad’s buddy, Becker. (By the way, Becker is not a guide as Petzal mentions in his piece, nor is he a nitwit).

As Sarah gets ready to fire Becker’s Remington 7mm Magnum, she asks if it has much of a kick. Why? Because her .225 doesn’t kick and she can keep her eye closer to the scope. My mom once had a nasty circle cut around her eye doing the same thing and Sarah never forgot that.

Once Sarah settled in with the 7mm, she dropped her caribou in one shot.

By the way, the day after the hunt, Dad set up some paper plates at fifty yards and couldn’t hit them with the .225. The scope was that far off.

If you doubt any of the things I’ve said perhaps you should talk to some of the people that were actually there. Here are a few of them:

-Stryker Overly – guide from Tok, Alaska
-Greg Jennen – owner of Alaska Glacier Mountain Outfitters in Two Rivers, Alaska
-John Pontz – bush pilot from Unalakleet, Alaska
-Mitch Tanen – Television Producer with Mark Burnett Productions
-Steve Becker – commercial fisherman and hunting buddy

Mitch Tanen in particular had this to say: “I’m sorry to hear that the magazine is calling into question the authenticity of the hunt we showed in that episode. I don’t know how to say it plain enough…the actual hunt and the story of all the events of that hunt as laid out in the episode are all true. There were always no less then ten people following Sarah, your father and Steve Becker during the four-day shoot. So in addition to your father and Steve Becker, an additional producer, at least two camera operators, two audio mixers, several PA’s, a coordinator, medical personnel, safety personnel and at least one of the two bush pilots we depended on to get us out into the bush from Kavik Camp, were there and had eyes on Sarah at the moment she shot the caribou. To suggest that somehow all of these individuals (including me) with our own differing political views would risk the professional reputations some of us have spent a life time building to make up something like that for the good of a television show is both ignorant and insulting.”

Petzal’s piece is full of gaping holes and tarnishes the reputation of everyone who was involved in that hunt.

As Sarah explains, “He’s the typical lying SOB-type that I’ve been dealing with since 2008. I’m very disappointed in Field & Stream for printing his garbage. This made-up fantasy of the columnist ranks right up there with yesterday’s report in the Washington Post that claims I’m working for Al Jazeera. My retort to that one was: ‘Uum, right… and tomorrow I’m having coffee with Elvis at the Mocha Moose in Wasilla.’ Really, these silly people need to get a life!”

Thank you,
Chuck Heath, Jr.

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from SueZ2U wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Palin's brother, Chuck Heath Jr. has this, among other things to say:

Petzal implying that Sarah has no experience with guns is akin to the bogus Washington Post story this week that said Sarah is going to work for Al Jazeera. Even a tiny bit of digging would have lead Mr. Petzal to a completely different conclusion.

So please allow me to set some facts straight:

First of all, I can’t recall the first time my sisters and I ever pulled the trigger on a rifle. We were too young to remember. Guns have been a part of my family for generations. My father and I recently wrote a book (Our Sarah: Made in Alaska) that chronicles some of our early hunting experiences...

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Someone ought to sit down and compare the results of her managing Alaska and Obama organizing his neighborhood in Chicago.
It's no wonder the left is scared of her management style. She returned thousands to each tax payer in Alaska.You want to scare a liberal talk about lowering the working stiffs taxes or returning some money to the folks who pay taxes.
In Obama's MANAGED neighborhood, 500 kids are murdered each year, the ecconomy of his former state and city is destroyed and there are few places with dirtier, more crime infested politicans.
....and that is the truth when it's apples to apples.
So after Trillions wasted, a divided nation, a corrupt government running guns they don't want you to have to drug cartels......tell me again which one is stupid.

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from SueZ2U wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sarah Palin has been hunting since she was small, usually with her dad or husband. It has already ben discussed many times- the scope was sighted in, but her dad fell with the gun. It was proven later in the show that the scope was off. It is a TV show, it's drama of course there are people talking, it was not designed to be some serious hunting show, it was designed with regular folks in mind. Her brother said that she asked about the kick, because her mama cut a scope circle around her own eye once. Palin is busy, of course she's not a professional hunter who hunts everyday. Where did she claim to be? Her brother and family have a response to you on Chuck Heath Jr's website that you might find intereting.

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from buckstopper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

The relentless pursuit of degrading those who are not blessed with perfect skills or drink the same political kool-aid by internet busybodies and bored journalist never ceases to amaze me. As for Ms Palin, politics and hunting skills aside, she was there during the devastating storms that hit Alabama in the spring of 2011. The TV crews weren't there, but Ms. Palin was, rolling up her sleeves and pitching in with the clean up crews made up of thousands of volunteers of Alabamians and many hundreds of relief workers from all across the country. She could have made it a photo op but the show of support to the victims and relief workers was appreciated nonetheless.
Yep, she's not one of those polished outdoor people with flawless skills or the smartest woman in the country, but as a caring person who ultimately puts her faith in God first, giving of herself, flaws and all, she's alright with me.

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from JCB wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

A polished pro she is not. But she is better looking than all the male TV host/hunters. At least she went on a fair chase hunt. Unlike the TV host/hunters who slaughter deer, that were raised like a crop, and shot over bait plots, from heated sky boxes, off a bench with sand bags.

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from sarahhasmyvote wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Congratulations Mr. Petzal,

You have officially joined the the Suzi Parker Club.

It's a very tiresome club with standing room only I'm afraid. You have to be very biased, uninformed, mean spirited, and have a public voice with an agenda.

You can be sure Field & Stream has no interest to me anymore. I prefer reputable sources of information.

And btw, Sarah Palin is a patriot, beyond her years in wisdom, with stellar public accomplishments. You'd be aware of that if you bothered to look beyond the fear mongering liberal lies, exaggerations, and shallow comments.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sarah's Brother reminds me of why I like the family and her spunk. She's got guts. Her kids got guts and none of them take any BS from the Main Stream Media.
I didn't think anyone could produce a statement where she claimed to be either an expert hunter or shooter.Just a lover of the outdoors and the bloodsports, just like ME and some other sportsmen here.
So I ask...why not Hillary, since she will be running and claimed to be as expert a shot in her youth as Aniie Oakley....or does the liberal cat have one's tongue.
IMHO there is always a dark reason why some guys and gals hate the pretty girl.I hope she doesn't run because no one AND THEIR CHILDREN, deserve the orchestrated BS this family has gone through. The MSM hate campaign worked....thank God I'm a conservative like her and we don't stoop to the level of the left and behave the same way with Obama's children. The MSM would have a cow.

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from Bonet wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Two points:

- Once she had the correct rifle, she brought down the Caribou with one shot.

- Sarah Palin had no problem field dressing.

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Pete Bodo wrote:

"As we learned near the end of the episode, Chuck’s scope was indeed way off. But give Palin credit here – while her conviction that the scope was off-target was vindicated, she never made a big deal out of it. Scopes take a beating and many things, including bouncing around in the cargo bay of a small plane, can skew their accuracy. It would have been nice to have an explanation, but in the end, who knows? And, really, who cares?

Some also objected to the way Chuck Palin worked the bolt after each shot taken by his daughter, interpreting it as a sure sign of her incompetence. Well, Palin’s obvious, basic familiarity with the rifle, and her decent form handling it, were sufficient to make me think that was nothing more than a typical “daddy knows best” moment. Hunters, guides, parents – we all get excited at the moment of reckoning. And only someone who’s never handled a rifle would suspect that Palin doesn’t know how to work a bolt. It isn’t rocket science, trust me on that.

But it’s depressing to have to parse the video episode this way. What, is Sarah Palin on trial here? The critics mostly demonstrate how woefully little they know about hunting, firearms, and the natural world in general, despite the “green” vows they’ve taken.

I’m a hunter, and to me Palin’s show was Emmy-worthy for its honesty, modesty, and it’s effective portrayal and celebration of the hunting experience. My favorite moment: When Palin’s daughter, Piper, gazing at the pile of meat on the family table in Wasilla, chimes in, “Mom, that’s a tiny caribou.”

True enough. It was a young cow, something most hunters would have passed up, looking for a more impressive trophy. But it was meat for the freezer – and even Piper knew it wasn’t a moose."

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from 12bhntn wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Mr Petzal needs to go pound sand. I guess it is better to see the pro's set up over the farmed whitetails that their guide or husband grow and pick for them to shoot. Give the woman a break you nor I were there. This B.S about knowing exactly where your rifle is shooting "always" goes out the door on many hunts horse ,fourwheeler, airplane travel and a good fall have ruined many hunts for some of the best. Having helped a few people video their hunts to use later on outdoor shows I can say that very often editing plays a huge role, one clip out of place can ruin everything...I can say that Mrs. Palin and her family fly out to hunt moose/bears next to our friends. You can say what you will but I would bet she would outlast most of her critics on here out in the Alaska bush (of which most have never been nor will they ever be in the true wilderness) . As far as comments from ontario honker about the bear regulation that was overlooked by Ted here in Alaska, I'm not sure where you get your info but everyone I know had to look for the rule after he was cited for it. That includes two bow shop pro's and one bow hunter certification instructor along with many other hunters. It is only for one area not the entire state so it is not widely known. No excuse for his violation but don't say everyone was talking about it in the bowhunting comunity and don't make it out to be murder. He admitted to the violation paid his dues now it's over. So unless you live here and know exactly what you speak of keep it to yourself don't try to speak for those of us in another state let alone country.

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from cb bob wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I'm not sure who thought it would be a good idea to release this tape. It doesn't make her look good, or hunting, or shooting in general.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Dave....Gentlemen....some of you are sounding like the cute girl at school turned you down for the prom. LMAO!

1.) Please produce any legit source where she claims to be an expert hunter.If that was her intent,why would she ever have let that show air????? Wouldn't she have done what so many "Pros"and ALL politicians do and not even show you the misses?
Edited them out? Her father fell,the other guy wasn't a guide...he was her father's hunting Buddy, they had no guide... she was on a father/daughter bonding trip.Good lord...lighten up.

2.)She's gun and hunter friendly.What's wrong with that? Name me a half dozen female liberal politicians who like us...Hell, name me a half dozen female policians of any ilk who seriously come to the defense of hunting. Please...

3.)Lastly...the talking while on the hunt. I'm hardly an outdoor expert, but both my son and I have guided or been on several hunting shows....I hate to tell you fellas...NO ONE IS JABBERING DURING ANY BIG GAME HUNT. Most times it's the hunter and the cameraman.They hunt just like you or I. After the kill and recovery...they do what we all do they gut the animal and return to camp.THEN... LATER...THEY GO BACK and add all the banter, observations and "How to" from the tree stand, against the turkey tree or from the blind while wearing the same clothes.Seriously,you guys didn't know that?

I'm not her friend, relative nor do I want her to run again....but when we have legit hunting/shooting frauds like Kerry, Clinton and Obama WHO DON'T LIKE US..I have no idea why she has been singled out.

PS...John McCain's heroics need no explanation.I may disagree with many of his stands..but I never saw or read where he even claimed to be a hunter or a shooter.

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from Bonet wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Sarah Palin's brother sent the following letter to the editor of Field & Stream in response to this hit piece.
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Dear Editor,

As a fan of Field and Stream dating back to my childhood, it was very disheartening to read David Petzal’s hit piece on my father Chuck Heath, and my sister Sarah Palin’s caribou hunt in the TLC show, Sarah Palin’s Alaska. Why Mr. Petzal chose to write something like this nearly three years after the fact is perplexing…a cry for attention perhaps?

I shared the article with my parents and my mother responded by saying, “This is so ridiculous that it doesn’t even merit a response.”

Mom’s probably right but I guess I’m too stubborn to drop it that easily.

Petzal implying that Sarah has no experience with guns is akin to the bogus Washington Post story this week that said Sarah is going to work for Al Jazeera. Even a tiny bit of digging would have lead Mr. Petzal to a completely different conclusion.

So please allow me to set some facts straight:

First of all, I can’t recall the first time my sisters and I ever pulled the trigger on a rifle. We were too young to remember. Guns have been a part of my family for generations. My father and I recently wrote a book (Our Sarah: Made in Alaska) that chronicles some of our early hunting experiences.

So what are the facts? For one, Mr. Petzal leads the reader to believe that Sarah didn’t sight her gun in before the hunt. Totally untrue. The day before they set out after their prey, Sarah and Dad were consistently “driving tacks from 100 yards” (as Dad put it) with Sarah’s .225 Winchester. Those of you who watched the show in its entirety know that while walking across the tundra, Dad slipped and fell while carrying Sarah’s gun. He didn’t realize at the time that he had knocked the scope askew.

When it came time for Sarah to take her shot, she took aim, fired, and missed badly. Dad (or one of the nitwits as Petzal cruely refers to him) is visibly frustrated. After sixty-plus years of continual hunting and big game guiding, he has earned that right. Even at nearly 75 years old, I doubt Petzal could keep up with him. When it becomes obvious that Sarah’s scope is out of whack, she switches guns with Dad’s buddy, Becker. (By the way, Becker is not a guide as Petzal mentions in his piece, nor is he a nitwit).

As Sarah gets ready to fire Becker’s Remington 7mm Magnum, she asks if it has much of a kick. Why? Because her .225 doesn’t kick and she can keep her eye closer to the scope. My mom once had a nasty circle cut around her eye doing the same thing and Sarah never forgot that.

Once Sarah settled in with the 7mm, she dropped her caribou in one shot.

By the way, the day after the hunt, Dad set up some paper plates at fifty yards and couldn’t hit them with the .225. The scope was that far off.

If you doubt any of the things I’ve said perhaps you should talk to some of the people that were actually there. Here are a few of them:

-Stryker Overly – guide from Tok, Alaska
-Greg Jennen – owner of Alaska Glacier Mountain Outfitters in Two Rivers, Alaska
-John Pontz – bush pilot from Unalakleet, Alaska
-Mitch Tanen – Television Producer with Mark Burnett Productions
-Steve Becker – commercial fisherman and hunting buddy

Mitch Tanen in particular had this to say: “I’m sorry to hear that the magazine is calling into question the authenticity of the hunt we showed in that episode. I don’t know how to say it plain enough…the actual hunt and the story of all the events of that hunt as laid out in the episode are all true. There were always no less then ten people following Sarah, your father and Steve Becker during the four-day shoot. So in addition to your father and Steve Becker, an additional producer, at least two camera operators, two audio mixers, several PA’s, a coordinator, medical personnel, safety personnel and at least one of the two bush pilots we depended on to get us out into the bush from Kavik Camp, were there and had eyes on Sarah at the moment she shot the caribou. To suggest that somehow all of these individuals (including me) with our own differing political views would risk the professional reputations some of us have spent a life time building to make up something like that for the good of a television show is both ignorant and insulting.”

Petzal’s piece is full of gaping holes and tarnishes the reputation of everyone who was involved in that hunt.

As Sarah explains, “He’s the typical lying SOB-type that I’ve been dealing with since 2008. I’m very disappointed in Field & Stream for printing his garbage. This made-up fantasy of the columnist ranks right up there with yesterday’s report in the Washington Post that claims I’m working for Al Jazeera. My retort to that one was: ‘Uum, right… and tomorrow I’m having coffee with Elvis at the Mocha Moose in Wasilla.’ Really, these silly people need to get a life!”

Thank you,
Chuck Heath, Jr

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from Dale Liston wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

So I am supposed to believe that all these years living in Alaska and hunting and all the bashing the Left has done about her hunting and what an awful person she is for hunting and killing poor little animals is all fake? So if she is such a "fake" hunter than that would mean ALL of these people would have to be in on it and she has managed to hide the truth under all this scrutiny since 2008? That despite having a brigade of journalist and others going threw her garbage to dig up dirt. You liberals are really moronic and will believe anything. This article is just more deranged Left-wing Palin hating disguised as a conspiracy theory disguised as a hunting story. What is a political hatchet job/opinion piece doing in F&S? This reminds me when Maxim magazine named Michelle Obama one of the 50 hottest women. You fake Liberals just cannot leave your politics out of everything can you?

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from Del in KS wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I'll bet someone in Sarah's family reads this blog so I would like to say to Sarah. I love you mam. You just came on the national political scene too soon before you had the experience to deal with the hostile Communist American press. The reason we got this horrible excuse of a President who had even less experience than Sarah IS this adoring bunch of wh0res that run cover for him. Just think what they would be doing if Benghazi gate or Operation fast and furious had been on Bush or any Republican for that matter.

To my fellow shooters: Sarah is not the enemy that would be Obomber and his gang of Chicago thugs.

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from 357 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

that was painful to watch

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

In the interest of being fair and balanced will there be an article on Hillary's claims to have been a regular "Annie Oakley" in her youth? After all, she has run for office more recently than Sarah.Has agreed she should be blamed for the 4 ded in Libya and plans to run for President in 2016. So can we see the tapes of her doing her trick shots here on the site?
Funny she may shoot like Annie Oakley, but she looks like Elmer Keith....so beware there the grainy tapes aren't actually Elmer. ;)

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from Occasional Outd... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

This discussion has GONE NUTS, Mr. Gun Nuts and all other gun nuts. Gentlemen outdoors people should not offend ladies, period. It pains me that a female with a big heart, big enough to have a good dream for America is being berated for something she is not majoring in. She became a governor of Alaska and some of us cannot even win a seat in the school board. All of us are good only with guns and we are so mighty proud of it as if that is the sole requirement for good citizenship. Poor brother has come to the rescue and I think it is a good family breeding. I feel bad for her dad. Have we gone too far with our guns Mr. Petzal? Ask your wife please. And all the females in your circle. Its a good time to remember women on Valentines week.

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from willegge wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Hey Ontario Honker, I have nothing against you and I'm sure you are a hunter. I was doing to you what you are doing to Governor Palin and her father. These people are good people who have lived and hunted in Alaska for many years, not only that, but they are for us, for hunters and gun owners. I don't know you from Adam, but I said "you were not a hunter", could be you've hunted more than me? I wanted to give you a taste of your own medicine, passing judgment on a person without ever meeting her or knowing your history. That is what you and so many on this blog are doing along with the idiot that wrote the article when you don't really know. So mean spirited against a good person a mother of five and one with Downs Syndrome. A patriot. Read some of the book "Our Sarah" it is obvious these people are lifetime hunters and fishermen, that is the overwhelming facts. Criticize someone who wants to take your guns, and would like to stop all hunting. Take care .

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from SueZ2U wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Anybody that did any research would be able to come up with plenty of pictures of Palin, hunting & fishing. There is an old pic right on her brothers website. There is another in her book. In fact if anyone looked at the rest of the TLC show, there are two different clay-pigeon shooting episodes, plus a bear-safety course, with her drilling a charging bear target.
The Palin family has commercial fished for years. Sarah and her girlfriends have shot clay-pigeons for years. One of her baby showers was held at the local gun-club. I can't think of any politician in recent years, who has been more one-of-the-folks than Sarah Palin, butdon't let a little facts or research get in the way of your Palin Derangement Syndrome, or your desire for internet hits. I see that the anti-Palin loons have already shown up. The funniest part is half of these Palin-bashers showing up, are libs who had a fit that she shot a caribou to begin with.

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from Bonet wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

@RandyMI
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If you had seen the entire episode, you'd have seen her dad take a tumble while caring the gun she used. He knocked the scope out of alignment.

Since her dad couldn't even hit a paper plate with it at 50yds when they got back to camp obviously the gun had some serious issues.

Of course when the other guy handed her his rifle, it was a one shot kill.

I have seen excellent hunters miss shots, have scopes that were off.

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from Ellen Gbane wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

@bruisedsausage

I watched SPAK, and I watched that particular episode more than once.

I got the impression from the program that she is decent shot, but not an avid hunter. She did not strike me as someone who hunts for sport, but as someone who hunts for food occasionally.

I also did not get the impression that she was a gold miner, a mountaineer, a musher, a logger, or an expert at any of the other adventures that she undertook in SPAK. I just thought she was someone who liked to try different things rather than sit back and watch. It was inspiring.

Still whenever Sarah Palin name comes up extremes come into play. When she is falsely attacked her supports, myself included defend her. While I defend her from those calling her a fraud and a liar it is clear that she like most people who engage in leisure activities is neither an expert nor a novice. She’s a woman went out hunting with her Dad and she bagged a caribou that was cool. She showed no sign that this was a first for her it is possible she had not had time to go hunting for bit, but it clear also that it was not her first trip.

Of course, Chuck knows more than we do about the outing, but if I recall correctly neither gun was Sarah’s. I seem to recall her going to her Father’s house at the start of that episode and her father supplying her with a rifle for the Father/Daughter outing.

In another episode Sarah purchase a new rifle, so perhaps while serving as Governor she did not hunt much.

I used to skate all the time, but I had not done so in 30 years. I started taking my 9 year old daughter skating so I decide to give it a try. Then I decided to buy myself new skates. I am not a new skater; I’m rusty skater.

Maybe Sarah was a rusty hunter, or maybe that's just the way she likes to hunt with her Dad.

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from PhilipJames wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

It amazes me that people are critical of Sarah Palin and this short clip from an hour long episode of a father and his daughter getting re-acquainted and spending some time on a hunting trip after not doing it for a while.
There was no comment or idea put forth that Sarah Palin was one of the best shots or one of the best hunters. These people go hunting for food... not sport.

The FACT that when her dad fell down the slope (did any of you bitchers even watch that part??) earlier in the day and knocked her scope out of alignment is why she was not able to hit the caribou with her own rifle. Are you bitchers smart enough to figure out that once she got the other rifle, she was able to knock the caribou down with the first shot?

As for her dad butting in and working the bolt and basically sticking his nose in when he didn't have to just shows you a father exhibiting "parent disease".... treating their adult kid like the kid they remember from years ago. And if you have not had your parents do the same thing to you, then you don't have parents.

I admire the fact that rather than having the film crew edit out all the misses, they left all that in and showed everything that happened. I think all of you bitchers would have not done that. But, I guess because all of you have perfect hunting skills and can hit a dime at two miles every time, we should not wonder about your hunting or shooting skills.

This clip is a small part of the entire Alaska series she did.... which the Alaska Tourism Board will tell you has increased tourism to Alaska which is great for Alaska economy... and Sarah Palin has been a staunch 2nd Amendment defender and promotes hunting and shooting so an a-hole like David Pis*ant and the bitchers can stick their heads back up their butt holes where they belong.

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from Del in KS wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Sorry Sarah meant to say I love you ma'am.

Case in point recently Obomber did a photo op of him shooting skeet. Did anyone see any liberals (press or otherwise) pointing out he is an obvious fake??? Guys we need to overlook stuff like this thing about Sarah. She is on our side of the gun issue. The lib media will give us plenty of negative publicity without us helping. Or would you rather help them run cover for him.

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from jjas wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I was a Sarah Palin fan for about 15 minutes during the 2008 convention.

Then she tried to answer questions on policy instead of speaking in sound bites and she came across as someone drowning in their own lack of experience and ignorance of the subject matter.

This "hunt" comes across the same way.....

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from Robert Dawson wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Is there anything to be gained from trashing Sarah Palin? Alright..she needs shooting lessons. And she never should have put it out for us to watch.
It's cheap and easy to criticize her her clumsiness. She isn't the first or last politician or pundit who has made a fool of themselves. Everyone get over it!

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

For DP:

I looked at the video and didn't see where SP was portrayed as either an experienced hunter or an expert with the rifle. Quite the contrary.

This was a father-daughter hunt and it is not too difficult to understand that she would depend on her Dad for a properly functioning and properly sighted rifle. When I took my young son deer hunting, he depended on me to provide a properly functioning and properly sighted rifle...nothing wrong with that.

Would you tell your Dad to "Shut the f**ck up? Not me!

As far as how she carried the rifle. Despite being unorthodox, it looks to me like it is being carried in a safe manner...no?

Had you or I, or most of the experienced hunters on this site handled ourselves that way, we would rightly expect such criticism and that would be perfectly justified. To criticize a beginner hunter being poorly coached is not where we should be going. It only discourages those new to the sport.

I agree fully that it should not have been put on the airways.

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from MICHMAN wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

You are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem. Ask yourself, What have I done to fight against those who wish to restrict my freedoms to own guns and hunt? Have you joined the NRA and supported those who support the cause? Have you wrote your local politicians? Have you offered to take someone shooting or hunting who has never been offered the experience?

Bashing those who support our rights is not the answer. If you really must HATE on people then redirect your venom towards those who are determined to take away our rights. There is an extended list of individuals to choose form. Mayor Bloomberg, BHO, Rahn Emanuel, Joe Biden, Rosie O'Donnell, Piers Morgan, David Gregory, Soledad O'Brien, Bill Maher, Joy Behar, Rachel Maddow, Chris Mathews, Andrea Mitchell and quite a few from Hollywood as well.

Once again, are you part of the problem or the solution?

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from willegge wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

The last time I posted on this cite was this last time this ASS David Petzal attacked the good Governor Palin. It is obvious to me that the negative comments against governor Palin are wanna-bees, guys who hunt a little and really have never been hunters.They have been on the odd trip maybe, but in their own minds they are experts, most of their hunting is watching videos, or going to Cabala's trying to promo-gate their little fantasy that they live the hunters life. Most of the people with your snobbery against the Gov. couldn't come near Sarah Palin or her good father in true hunting experience. Your full of it. I have hunted most north American game, and was taught by real hunters as a young man. Governor Palin is just fine. She had a clean kill with a gun she was not used to. I like the fact they did not hide the reality, some times in the great outdoors there is unpredictability. But one thing is predictable, the liberal idiots on this cite and the twit Petzal, who does not have a clue what he is talking about. Lastly, real hunters are humble, and don't promo gate a lie about hunting, they know they are not perfect hunters, with perfect scenarios and respect those who also love the sport, promote the freedom to do it, and the joy of a father and daughter getting some meat for the freezer. Good Job Governor Palin, and a great shot.

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from willegge wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Well Ontario Honker something is wrong with you, when you cannot discern a good person, or a genuine hunter like Governor Palin and her Father. I watched her handle a pump shot gun and also a shooting clay's she did fine.

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from John_Frank wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

@JC Dunn, people are upset because Mr. Pretzal has published an obvious lie and in doing so has not only falsely attacked Sarah Palin, but also all the good people who support her.

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from NHshtr wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

The comments just keep coming!

Even if SP is inexperienced at hunting caribou or using a big game caliber, that doesn't mean she has no experience shooting clays and fishing as she has shown in other videos.

And besides, if you measure her against "all-hunting clothes-and-no-hunting" Kerry and "I do skeet all the time" Obama, she's head and shoulders above them.

I would much rather have her and whatever big game skills she lacks representing me than the anti-gun, hunter-hostile reps and governor I have now.

So, DEP, loosen up! Throw the crap in a more deserving direction.

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from Warrior Pitbull wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Clearly a hit-piece. Anyone that actually watched the show in it's entirety knows that Sarah is a crack shot and well versed with her rifles. She actually showed up her father in that episode, but apparently this 'author's views were intent on obfuscating the truth.

Cancelling my subscription now since F&S obviously doesn't care about how little their contributors know about hunting and firearms, or is complicit to partisan bickering that sides with those who wish to take our rights away. No telling how much BS has been cropping up in my mailbox from F&S in the past 10 years. I'll have to throw out all that I gleaned from F&S and rely on my age and experience, which serves me better than anything else, anyway.

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from Bonet. wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

If you watched the full video you could obviously tell she is a hunter and on the mark. Sarah Palin clearly understood that her fathers gun sights were off as she hit the mark on her first attempt with Becker’s gun.

Sarah Palin didn’t pretend to be an expert and there’s one other point that needs to be made.

As Executive Producer of the show, Palin had full editing rights. She could have easily edited out the less-than-perfect parts. She chose not to. If she’s the phoney that some of you portray her as, she would have made it look like one of those hunting shows on TV.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I guess there is only one way to settle this. The left must send either Obama or Hillary for a Sportsman's Challenge against Sarah Palin. It's the only fair way to settle things.
My guess is even though Obama has shown us that he's a champ with an over and under, he'll push Hillary in front on the gun challenge since HE told the nation when it comes to guns Hillary claims she's "Annie Oakley".
Me...I can't believe he said that, because it's a known fact "Hillary claims to have cut her teeth shooting summers in Scranton Pa." ....which is one of those towns where Obama and the Democratic elitists believe the knuckle draggers there are always clinging to their "Guns and their bibles" (the Democratic Party Sportsmen in San Francisco got a big chuckle out of that one behind closed doors...didn't they).

Then again, perhaps the President would rather send his new Secretary in her place,in which case Sara wouldn't stand a chance.
Legend has it Kerry has "belly crawled" right up on a "12 Point Buck and Massachusetts with his trusty side by side", which the left knows is the number one choice us knuckle draggers use on 12 point bucks.(Of course all Kerry's legends are brought to us by none other than John F. Kerry himself.)

So it's settled!!!!!

Obama, Hillary and Kerry versus Palin in a Sportsman's Challenge sponsered by Field and Stream. Dave can coach TEAM OBAMA and Uncle Ted can coach Sarah.(Am I a marketing genius or what?).

We can hold it New York with DNC approved weaponry. Cuomo can hand out each contestant 7 rounds each, so that it's all is legal. At that time the Left can release a statement telling PETA and the Public that no Fish or Animals were harmed in the filming of this event (wouldn't want Cuomo to lose any of the Anti Vote...eh?)
Biden will be allowed to sit on the highest seat in the stands and jump up and down applauding everytime Obama has an inflection in his speech.(heh, heh...couldn't resist).

Since we are in New York they should fish for Great Lakes King Salmon in the River with rod and reel. First one to fair catch,land,process, cook and eat one gets 5 points and the ability to glow in the dark.(Hillary vs. Sarah)

Second will be a woodcock hunt up in the Tug Hill area. The left will probably want Obama and his O/U on that one....though I suspect if things get tough he may call in a drone strike. (Obama vs. Hillary)

The third event can be Big Game. Kerry and his side by side vs. Sarah and her bolt action.(Kerry vs. Palin)

Lastly, there will be a hike over rough terrain. Each champion will be given nothing but a compass, a lighter (so Obama can smoke)and a bottle of designer water (provided by Bloomberg in any size but 32. oz.).
During the race the President can not call in an assist from the Seals but he can use his Main Stream Media Force to attack Palin and her children from the trees, over a fence and from choppers. After all he is entitled to an advantage...as he did tell McCain "elections have consequences". (He's such a good sport, eh?)

Anyway my money is on Palin, not just because she is cuter than those 3 men (oops...sorry Hillary, but you do look like Elmer Keirth in drag), but because she is the only one who doesn't feel a golf course is real nature.

Go with is Dave, we can talk royalties later. We can dedicate it to all to the memory of Ed Zern, he would have liked that. ;)

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from Jihunt wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Palin's brother, Chuck Heath Jr. wrote this letter to the editor of "Field & Stream".
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"I sent the following letter to the editor of Field & Stream in response to an article, Sarah Palin’s Shooting by David E. Petzal, posted at their site. It’s disappointing that the letter even had to be written to a publication such as theirs, but the inaccuracies will not go unanswered.

"Letter to the Editor of Field & Stream

February 13, 2013

Dear Editor,

As a fan of Field and Stream dating back to my childhood, it was very disheartening to read David Petzal’s hit piece on my father Chuck Heath, and my sister Sarah Palin’s caribou hunt in the TLC show, Sarah Palin’s Alaska. Why Mr. Petzal chose to write something like this nearly three years after the fact is perplexing…a cry for attention perhaps?

I shared the article with my parents and my mother responded by saying, “This is so ridiculous that it doesn’t even merit a response.”

Mom’s probably right but I guess I’m too stubborn to drop it that easily.

Petzal implying that Sarah has no experience with guns is akin to the bogus Washington Post story this week that said Sarah is going to work for Al Jazeera. Even a tiny bit of digging would have lead Mr. Petzal to a completely different conclusion.

So please allow me to set some facts straight:

First of all, I can’t recall the first time my sisters and I ever pulled the trigger on a rifle. We were too young to remember. Guns have been a part of my family for generations. My father and I recently wrote a book (Our Sarah: Made in Alaska) that chronicles some of our early hunting experiences.

So what are the facts? For one, Mr. Petzal leads the reader to believe that Sarah didn’t sight her gun in before the hunt. Totally untrue. The day before they set out after their prey, Sarah and Dad were consistently “driving tacks from 100 yards” (as Dad put it) with Sarah’s .225 Winchester. Those of you who watched the show in its entirety know that while walking across the tundra, Dad slipped and fell while carrying Sarah’s gun. He didn’t realize at the time that he had knocked the scope askew.

When it came time for Sarah to take her shot, she took aim, fired, and missed badly. Dad (or one of the nitwits as Petzal cruely refers to him) is visibly frustrated. After sixty-plus years of continual hunting and big game guiding, he has earned that right. Even at nearly 75 years old, I doubt Petzal could keep up with him. When it becomes obvious that Sarah’s scope is out of whack, she switches guns with Dad’s buddy, Becker. (By the way, Becker is not a guide as Petzal mentions in his piece, nor is he a nitwit).

As Sarah gets ready to fire Becker’s Remington 7mm Magnum, she asks if it has much of a kick. Why? Because her .225 doesn’t kick and she can keep her eye closer to the scope. My mom once had a nasty circle cut around her eye doing the same thing and Sarah never forgot that.

Once Sarah settled in with the 7mm, she dropped her caribou in one shot.

By the way, the day after the hunt, Dad set up some paper plates at fifty yards and couldn’t hit them with the .225. The scope was that far off.

If you doubt any of the things I’ve said perhaps you should talk to some of the people that were actually there. Here are a few of them:

-Stryker Overly – guide from Tok, Alaska
-Greg Jennen – owner of Alaska Glacier Mountain Outfitters in Two Rivers, Alaska
-John Pontz – bush pilot from Unalakleet, Alaska
-Mitch Tanen – Television Producer with Mark Burnett Productions
-Steve Becker – commercial fisherman and hunting buddy

Mitch Tanen in particular had this to say: “I’m sorry to hear that the magazine is calling into question the authenticity of the hunt we showed in that episode. I don’t know how to say it plain enough…the actual hunt and the story of all the events of that hunt as laid out in the episode are all true. There were always no less then ten people following Sarah, your father and Steve Becker during the four-day shoot. So in addition to your father and Steve Becker, an additional producer, at least two camera operators, two audio mixers, several PA’s, a coordinator, medical personnel, safety personnel and at least one of the two bush pilots we depended on to get us out into the bush from Kavik Camp, were there and had eyes on Sarah at the moment she shot the caribou. To suggest that somehow all of these individuals (including me) with our own differing political views would risk the professional reputations some of us have spent a life time building to make up something like that for the good of a television show is both ignorant and insulting.”

Petzal’s piece is full of gaping holes and tarnishes the reputation of everyone who was involved in that hunt.

As Sarah explains, “He’s the typical lying SOB-type that I’ve been dealing with since 2008. I’m very disappointed in Field & Stream for printing his garbage. This made-up fantasy of the columnist ranks right up there with yesterday’s report in the Washington Post that claims I’m working for Al Jazeera. My retort to that one was: ‘Uum, right… and tomorrow I’m having coffee with Elvis at the Mocha Moose in Wasilla.’ Really, these silly people need to get a life!”

Thank you,
Chuck Heath, Jr."

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Not to be a Richard Noggin! but I think you took this a little to personal. Who really gives a flying duck, other than you and some liberal tree huggers? Yes McCain is a nutjob typical politician that cares more about his ego and legacy than the people he represents. I thank him for his service to this country and am glad he could overcome extreme adversity, but being a POW doesn't qualify you to run a country much more diverse than the towelheads living in a kitty litter box.

"First, she allows her dad and the guide, who are both apparently nitwits, to jabber at her continually throughout the performance, make suggestions, swap rifles when it turns out that the first one has a bum scope (!), and allow her to blaze away at a moving animal"

I watch hunting shows all of the time and EVERY last one of them the guides are wispering in the hunters ear telling them to get the animal in their sights, take your time, take a deep breath, when said animal turns broadside take your shot. So I'm not going to get my panties like you in a bunch over that, just nitpicking if you ask me. As for her shooting yes she missed what 5 times prior to switching guns and took one shot at a running animal which I do all the time along with many here that either will admit it or won't but they do. So I have no problem. While you were nitpicking apart the whole video you missed the one issue that is more important than the scope, the nitwits talking to her, shooting at a moving animal, etc... when she switched guns as she was flailing around she had her finger on the trigger the whole time! I know your a self avowed curmudgeon but don't let that get in the way of using the ole' Noggin!!!

Side Note. Lets get off of the whole Sara Palin thing she's been abused enough and is no longer in the spot light other than when the liberals are having a slow news day!

Now lets go shoot if you can find some d@mn ammo!

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I think Sarah is cute. So she is forgiven.

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from NHshtr wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Wow. This blog is brutal! There's plenty of material and people out there to trash.

Let's get back to guns and shooting. Perhaps we should see some prime examples of shooting instead of trashing someone.

Or here's a topic: I can see the reason for the run on ARs and 5.56 and .223 ammo, but why is there a shortage of everything else? Is this similar to the phenomenon of people who flood the supermarket and buy 5 weeks worth of groceries just before a one day storm?

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from firedog11 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Living in the Washington DC area where the vast majority of idiots on the national scene congregate, I am very surprised that every one is talking about Palin and Nugent instead of listening to what the hoplophobes are spouting out of their pieholes. The constant hue and cry to ban firearms of all sorts especially semi automatics is extremely frightening to me and others active in self defense rights. May I remind everybody that the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with your individual freedom. There are alotta bills pushing everything including total confiscation. Wake up out there and realize that even some of the pro 2nd Amendments supporters both Dem and Rep. are offering up some parts of the 2nd for sacrifice. I wrote a while ago on one of Dave's blogs about the proposals that would be coming out and got a lot of negative votes for speaking my mind, well the bills that are being pushed by the anti freedom forces exceed anything I predicted. The old saying that to eat an elephant you start at the tip of the trunk is being followed by President Jughead and his clown posse.

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from John_Frank wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal should be ashamed of himself for writing this article, which is clearly false.

Please see the following letter written by Chuck Heath Jr to the editor of Field & Stream:

February 13, 2013

Dear Editor,

As a fan of Field and Stream dating back to my childhood, it was very disheartening to read David Petzal’s hit piece on my father Chuck Heath, and my sister Sarah Palin’s caribou hunt in the TLC show, Sarah Palin’s Alaska. Why Mr. Petzal chose to write something like this nearly three years after the fact is perplexing…a cry for attention perhaps?

I shared the article with my parents and my mother responded by saying, “This is so ridiculous that it doesn’t even merit a response.”

Mom’s probably right but I guess I’m too stubborn to drop it that easily.

Petzal implying that Sarah has no experience with guns is akin to the bogus Washington Post story this week that said Sarah is going to work for Al Jazeera. Even a tiny bit of digging would have lead Mr. Petzal to a completely different conclusion.

So please allow me to set some facts straight:

First of all, I can’t recall the first time my sisters and I ever pulled the trigger on a rifle. We were too young to remember. Guns have been a part of my family for generations. My father and I recently wrote a book (Our Sarah: Made in Alaska) that chronicles some of our early hunting experiences.

So what are the facts? For one, Mr. Petzal leads the reader to believe that Sarah didn’t sight her gun in before the hunt. Totally untrue. The day before they set out after their prey, Sarah and Dad were consistently “driving tacks from 100 yards” (as Dad put it) with Sarah’s .225 Winchester. Those of you who watched the show in its entirety know that while walking across the tundra, Dad slipped and fell while carrying Sarah’s gun. He didn’t realize at the time that he had knocked the scope askew.

When it came time for Sarah to take her shot, she took aim, fired, and missed badly. Dad (or one of the nitwits as Petzal cruely refers to him) is visibly frustrated. After sixty-plus years of continual hunting and big game guiding, he has earned that right. Even at nearly 75 years old, I doubt Petzal could keep up with him. When it becomes obvious that Sarah’s scope is out of whack, she switches guns with Dad’s buddy, Becker. (By the way, Becker is not a guide as Petzal mentions in his piece, nor is he a nitwit).

As Sarah gets ready to fire Becker’s Remington 7mm Magnum, she asks if it has much of a kick. Why? Because her .225 doesn’t kick and she can keep her eye closer to the scope. My mom once had a nasty circle cut around her eye doing the same thing and Sarah never forgot that.

Once Sarah settled in with the 7mm, she dropped her caribou in one shot.

By the way, the day after the hunt, Dad set up some paper plates at fifty yards and couldn’t hit them with the .225. The scope was that far off.

If you doubt any of the things I’ve said perhaps you should talk to some of the people that were actually there. Here are a few of them:

-Stryker Overly – guide from Tok, Alaska
-Greg Jennen – owner of Alaska Glacier Mountain Outfitters in Two Rivers, Alaska
-John Pontz – bush pilot from Unalakleet, Alaska
-Mitch Tanen – Television Producer with Mark Burnett Productions
-Steve Becker – commercial fisherman and hunting buddy

Mitch Tanen in particular had this to say: “I’m sorry to hear that the magazine is calling into question the authenticity of the hunt we showed in that episode. I don’t know how to say it plain enough…the actual hunt and the story of all the events of that hunt as laid out in the episode are all true. There were always no less then ten people following Sarah, your father and Steve Becker during the four-day shoot. So in addition to your father and Steve Becker, an additional producer, at least two camera operators, two audio mixers, several PA’s, a coordinator, medical personnel, safety personnel and at least one of the two bush pilots we depended on to get us out into the bush from Kavik Camp, were there and had eyes on Sarah at the moment she shot the caribou. To suggest that somehow all of these individuals (including me) with our own differing political views would risk the professional reputations some of us have spent a life time building to make up something like that for the good of a television show is both ignorant and insulting.”

Petzal’s piece is full of gaping holes and tarnishes the reputation of everyone who was involved in that hunt.

As Sarah explains, “He’s the typical lying SOB-type that I’ve been dealing with since 2008. I’m very disappointed in Field & Stream for printing his garbage. This made-up fantasy of the columnist ranks right up there with yesterday’s report in the Washington Post that claims I’m working for Al Jazeera. My retort to that one was: ‘Uum, right… and tomorrow I’m having coffee with Elvis at the Mocha Moose in Wasilla.’ Really, these silly people need to get a life!”

Thank you,
Chuck Heath, Jr.

Mr. Petzal, you the Palin and Heath family, along with all those involved in the hunt a full and complete apology for writing such a false story.

Will you do the right thing? Or are you just another SOB "journalist" who has no concern for the truth?

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Ontario Honker:

Many thanks for telling us all how wonderful you are and of you incomparable hunting prowess! It must be very satisfying to be you.

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from TeflonWarrior wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I thought this was Field & Stream not Palin Derangment Syndrome & HuffPo. Palin did a great job felling the caribou with one shot when she had a sighted in rifle. I guess Petzal had to do something to get his flagging readership up, too bad it was a snide piece of trash on a great outdoorsman like Sarah Palin & her dad. At least I'll know what issues of Muck & Rake to avoid.

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from willegge wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Hey Ontario Honker you are demonstrating exactly what I said a wannabee. I don't need to display anything of my hunting on my profile. I have done it, I don't hunt to brag or prove anything, its who I am.I never said I was an expert, I am a hunter and have hunted, really hunted the woodlands and marsh lands of Nova Scotia,New Brunswick, northern British Columbia, Ontario, the prairies and buttes of North Dakota, and South Dakota, the plains, woods and fields of Indiana, and Georgia, with plenty of Deer, ducks, geese, pheasants, grouse, moose and bear in my belly and on my dinner table over the years, and a few trophies too. Your obviously not a true hunter.

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from Brett Kottmann wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I call into question David E. Petzal's qualifications as a journalist, sportsman, gun user and sane human being.

Since no one answered my challenge, it's obviously true.

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from Gavin Jonson wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I've been aware of Field and Stream's lean to the left "journalism" for several years now. This article is a hatchet job.
The magazine is suitable only for doctor and dentist waiting rooms.

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from barnacle brad wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

This rant by petzel and most of the posts I read are regrettable. The elitist mentality shown here is a far cry from the Field and Stream of my youth. I registered an account with FS to comment specifically on this piece, but be assured that not only will I limit myself to this one response, I will also encourage my fellow sportsmen to reject this type of commentary and also to reject all forms of Field and Stream media. It is despicable behavior. The writer and the ones who support this nonsense should be ashamed to call themselves sportsmen.

Brad Campbell
Greybull Wyoming

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from Lawrence Kennon wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Some years ago I discontinued my subscription to Field & Stream due to an article by David Petzal. This was back when the Assault Weapons Ban was passed in 1994. Petzal apparently thought it was a great idea as he didn't hunt with one, or something.

I was glancing through F&S at the airport the other day and thinking I wouldn't mind getting this magazine again. Now I read this incredibly stupid article attacking Sarah Palin. So guess what, I won't be getting a new subscription to F&S. I doubt I ever will as long as Petzal writes for F&S.

Lawrence Kennon
Leander, Texas

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from CCMJS wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

So Sarah Palin acts like a girl. BFD. She is a girl. If any of you experts watch the hunting shows they(girls) all act this way. They aren't as strong, they get cold faster and they talk, alot. They are kinder, softer and smell better. I don't know about you guys but I like it this way. Even in the military, they had different fitness standards than the men. She is a girl, we would all act like her dad did if we were hunting with our daughter.

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from freeparking wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

This stink is eroding F&S's value as a retreat from the ugly political environment we're dealing with, thus eroding my desire to pay for it.

It's disappointing when F&S delves into partisan BS like this, and I'd include their pushing the orthodox climate change/environment line. (By that I mean Bob Marshall might be a little more sophisticated about climate change if he lived in flyover country and had his way of life threatened by sky high electric and gasoline prices) If I wanted recycled Sarah Palin digs and one sided climate change lectures, I'd turn on MSNBC.
Please, stick to hunting and fishing. DP's a rifle expert, please talk about rifles. I can get equally brilliant Palin thoughts from well, anybody.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

The radical left wing media hates Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich because they have the guts to call them out.

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from Proverbs wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Going back to the original post: Why, DEP? Wasn't there anything interesting enough to write about from the SHOT show?

This hunt is a few years old. Why bother?

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

AMEN! Michman!

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from Tim Platt wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

And who was the last true presidential politician who was an accomplished big game hunter? Theodore Roosevelt over 100 years ago? The times they are a changing.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

This is very disturbing to me...

The 2nd Amendment is being ruthlessly attacked by a grossly biased media, everyone in the democRAT party and liberals around the world and what do we do?

We stand in a circle and shoot at each other!!!

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Palin's hunting sequence- I can't tell if that's a sign of inexperience, or bad equipment break with overbearing companions.

Hunter's disagreeing with each other- I believe it was Mr. Hurteau, way back during the time of his Dave's Place days, that ran a series of articles entitled "Idiots Among Us". He posed and supported the idea that it is incumbent upon us to disagree with and drum out or straighten out those amongst us who either shouldn't be trusted with pointy objects or who need to be given some lessons in caution and manners. (I'm not lumping Ms. Palin in here, by the way.)
I couldn't agree more, part of maintaining a good reputation as a group or organization is dependent upon being self policing. Labor Unions, particularly the building trades, used to be fairly good at making sure they were competent and enjoyed the popular opinion of the nation. It wasn't until they decided to protect their own regardless of sloth or fault that the esteem of the public began to be lost.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Ms. Stevens....don't you think it's PETA like to claim that there is such a thing as Fly In Alaskan Caribou Tethering or the penning of wild annimals in the fly in sections of Alaska? Look...if your jealous, just say it instead of taking cheap shots at the woman.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Same goes for Adrian Marcato...first post.

Safado, you have shown yourself to be one more liberal who doen't read before he posts. You have no idea what a Momma Grizzly is, you didn't provide anything documentation where she has claimed to be an expert hunter or shooter. As for Outdoor Skills she OWNS a commercial Salmon fishing enterprize, can out climb and out run you and she probably listens, before she leaps.

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from SueZ2U wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Don't know why the caribou didn't run, but they were up close to the north slope in the wide open. The noise of the shots probably didn't have much to bounce off of. The show makes it plain that the caribou was a younger, small one. In fact her daughter was most unimpressed when she brought it home. It is a TV show- it is going to be much different than hunting in real life. Hard to hunt with tons of people following you around. And no one sicced anybody on Petzel. People are just sick of all the smears and lies that become facts in the mind of ignorant people. How many people know that she never said that she can see Russia from her house?

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from labrador12 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

DEP and The Honkster aren't gaining any credibility from me in dissing SP. My Senators are Chuck Schumer and Gillibrand, and my Gov is A Coumo. I would trade those MFers in for SP in a heartbeat. I spend several months each year in Ak and would love to make the move and belive me, the thought of having to live in a state with a Gov like SP as opposed to what I have is laughable. I know a pile of people in Ak that think SP was a way better Gov than Murkowski, and that she isn't half the horse's patut that Biden is.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Honker.....you are reaching. It is obvious the 3 Anti-Palin first time posters are Anti-Blood Sport Board Hangers. I am the moderator for another Blood Sport board, we see it all the time. They do it so Obama can say things like "Most gun owners agree with me." Really? Don't fall for it. Chances are they aren't 3 women, more likely they are a hairy 35 year old male who still lives in his mother's cellar with posters of Ingrid Newkirk and Obama just above the old Pizza Boxes.

:)

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Safado.....You're AWESOME! I'll bet you can beat almost all the girls, eh? LMAO

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from GPBound wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Willegge et al:

What a clear and irrevocable statement that the Canadian immigration system is as flawed as the American, when a complete and utter m0r0n such as OH can not only enter, but continue to reside in our country.

OH sees more “red” than a tomato farmer and still doesn‘t get it…take note knob you have reached irritable vowel syndrome.

On behalf of ALL Canadians who have ever attended this forum, my sincerest apologies.. he in NO way represents nor speaks for any of us.

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from Ellen Gbane wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Three things always annoy me about the comments around Sarah Palin's father/daughter hunt.

1. Just because your father helps you with something does not mean you need his help. Sometimes it just reflects his need and your kindness.

2. What decent God fearing woman would use the F-word to her father or her father's friend.

3. Hunting is activity done by millions and people develop their own habits. We see this with golf, bowling, basketball and many other activities. No one would say someone is inexperienced at an activity because they do not perform like a pro. Pros spend their time perfecting activities because it is their livelihood. However, if you just do something as a leisure activity, people will notice you are not as good as a professional. That does not mean you are a liar or someone who has never engaged in the activity. Look at any league typical league bowler or golfer and see their handicap.

If you watched SP's Alaska you saw her familiarity with firearms. She handle them as well as many of the millions of people who engage in leisure activities. She is a very good shot.

Could she have asserted herself more with her dad sure, but at what cost. Did she need to demean her Dad to prove something to an audience? No. To me she showed how grown children should act toward their parents. We should always show our parents respect. It shows them that they raised us well.

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from Ellen Gbane wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

'armedliberal' now that is dangerous. Are you going to go shoot people who hurt your little feelings like Christopher Dorner.

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from 12bhntn wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

ontario honker, I believe you are the one that claimed to be the one in the know about the situation here in Alaska concerning this. I simply live here and can give first hand knowledge on what we experience daily. I would not even claim to know or care what goes on in your area so please do the same and quit commenting on what you seem to find on the internet and then take on as your personal fight. Have a great day in Canada from here in the USA

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from Jihunt wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Anyone who watched the show in its entirety knows that the rifle Sarah Palin took the missed shots with had its scope off; once she got a gun with a zeroed scope she nailed it.

I was impressed that Ms. Palin’s missed shots weren’t edited out; I thought it was an honest portrayal of what actually goes on in the field. They could have easily edited out all but one of the missed shots (that would have made her look great). They chose to honestly show what happened.

Sarah Palin was honest about the hunt. She was involved in the editing of the show; she allowed them to be included.

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from CharityBT wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Jihunt, I thought the VERY same thing! They could have easily edited out the missed shots. I was impressed that they chose not to. Sadly, if I was Sarah, I'd probably wish I had, now, after this article and all the criticism aimed at her. It was my impression that showing the missed shots made her look very human and it showed her hunt in true-to-life form - that stuff happens. In the end, she got her caribou and that's what matters.

So much pressure; so much stress to be perfect at everything these days. Relax and enjoy life! No one's perfect.

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from GPBound wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Charity…I concur wholeheartedly, just relax and enjoy. Unfortunately you have entered a parallel universe here where the likes of Ontario Honker and his ilk portray themselves as something to outdoors people… trust me you’re wasting precious time.

We should however send our congrats for I hear the Honkster is the first ever to score in Ontario’s little known ‘Bi-Polar’ Bear hunt….harvesting his quota (some would say well over limit) and consuming all the bounty.

This dude is so far up a Democrats ass Obama’s proctologist is returning to night school.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

MICHMAN your dead on Shooter!

I wonder who's side Petzal is really on, he's doing allot of fragging on our own. Perhaps he's bucking for a job with the Huffington Compost, ya'think?

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Bonnie, I'm glad you and the other 3 new lady posters decided to make your first posts ever on this very thread. This is just great !
I seems once again that Sarah has succeded in getting women off the couch and involved in discussions regarding the great outdoors. Isn't she GREAT!
Now that we have a following of these first time women, I think I'll suggest to the editors that they give Sarah a "Women in the Outdoors" column. She can write it each month and bring more women to the magazine. Hell, I'll bet she becomes a bigger draw than some of the existing staff. Imagine that...women all over the world picking up F&S feeling like there is a place to go on every thing from Outdoor cooking to Hunting and Fishing as a family. I'll bet she brings a good 25 % increase in sales the very first issue with her on the cover giving Dave a nice smile.This will be big, if only they are smart enough to approach her before Al Jazzera gets her.
;)

(Now I feel bad because I thought all these ladies who signed up only to jump on this thread were just some frustrated little man typing away in his underpants with a wig on hoping Mom doesn't walk in.)

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from 357 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I love the high number of people who just signed up for this site to tell us all that they would never be back.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

The nice thing is Sarah has a Dad who stayed,worked hard, paid to raise her, took her outdoors hunting and fishing and loves her. Maybe that's why she turned out to be a better manager than Obama.
Obama's old man took off when he was two. He left to impregnate and desert other mothers and children.The nation and Obama's grandmother (who Obama later tossed under the bus to save his butt during the Rev. Wright incident.)paid to raise him.
So tell me...which father do you feel we should be discussing and which one should we as Sportsmen be pointing fingers at.
I can't believe such disrespect for a man who stayed.

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from bill4432 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Say what you like. No man knows how to kick a bee's nest like Petzal.

Seriously, he walked by, gave this one an idle swat and we all came out of the woodwork like crazed African honeybees, stinging her, him, each other and ourselves.

I got nine welts on my left ankle alone.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

OHH,

You should "Cease fire, lock and clear all weapons." You are obviously outgunned and your slip is showing....

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

This is getting out of hand. How many login names is Glen Rice allowed to have?

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from willegge wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Kudukid, I was not aggrandizing anything, especially myself. Ontario Honker said he looked at my profile and saw nothing basically that said I was a hunter, or showed I was so I gave him some history, kind of like the Apostle Paul did when his cred was being questioned by phonies. But you are right when you said it is better to get praise from someone other than yourself, I was not praising myself I was giving a little history is all. Take care.

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from 1uglymutha wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

i really love this blog. i haven't laughed so hard since the chicago mafia moved into the white house.

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from GPBound wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

OH.. your weak..

Like Clay and so many others a large part of my career was spent in the defense/protection of my country… the only time I take umbrage to that, if but for a moment, is when blowhards continue to espouse their beliefs as pure fact… ad nauseam.

There are multiple reasons why it not serve prudent for an individual to post pics/comments and lay out a bio on F&S.. but your narrow mind is incapable of that reasoning.

You would be wise to cease and desist.

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from 270ti wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I'm a bit stunned.

Field and Stream was the magazine of my youth. Now it has been lowered to this. I will not be giving my children copies of Field and Stream to read, like my father gave me.

Mr Petzal,

Rather than write about such things, why don't you write about some real issues. Those of us who live, work, and define what you pretend to know about, are about to leave you and your magazine.

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from GPBound wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

To all offended, my apologies… it is not my intent to steer this blog awry. I am simply mitigating an increasingly offensive commenter who is hijacking thread after thread leaving little room for the likes of Happy Myles and more recently Scott Clearman, both of which we would do well to hear from more often.

Willegge… well thought out and well stated.. if OH doesn’t learn from that ..there is no hope.

Mr Petzal… some emotionally driven stuff here (including yours), I believe you owe us an explanation… not contrived apres dinner with scotch in hand but an interactive, chat with the peons affair.

The floor is yours……

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from Ellen Gbane wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

@ bruisedsausage

You think Chuck’s got his facts wrong. Please. You cannot even comprehend that he is clearly writing about two different rifles. Her scope was off so she used Becker’s rifle, and before firing his rifle she asked about its recoil.

“O.K. fine, but why then does Sarah ask if the rifle kicks before shooting it? I mean seriously if she just spent the day before the hunt "driving tacks" with it then she should know exactly how that rifle recoils. Don't you think?”

It is rather simple, she was using her .225 Winchester which did not have much kick to 'drive tacks from 100 yards.' Before firing Becker’s Remington 7mm Magnum which she had not used to ‘driving tacks from 100 yards’ she asked if it has much of a kick.

“The day before they set out after their prey, Sarah and Dad were consistently “driving tacks from 100 yards” (as Dad put it) with Sarah’s .225 Winchester. Those of you who watched the show in its entirety know that while walking across the tundra, Dad slipped and fell while carrying Sarah’s gun. He didn’t realize at the time that he had knocked the scope askew.”

“When it becomes obvious that Sarah’s scope is out of whack, she switches guns with Dad’s buddy, Becker.”

“As Sarah gets ready to fire Becker’s Remington 7mm Magnum, she asks if it has much of a kick. Why? Because her .225 doesn’t kick and she can keep her eye closer to the scope.”

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

B.S. - That's certainly an appropriate handle.

This entire subject being discussed here is about what Mr. Petzal reported after he reviewed this tape to be absolutely certain of his re-apprasal.

Clearly he was talking about the switch to the 7mm Mag. as D.P. reported, "An experienced shooter would not ask if a rifle kicks before using it in the heat of battle."

When else would you ask if a rifle kicks - after the battle starts?

Therefore, the only apology indicated here is from you to Ellen.

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from Ellen Gbane wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

This article is dumb. “She undoubtedly hunts, and is undoubtedly is OK with guns, but to say that as a shooter she’s anything but a rank beginner is wishful thinking.”

To concede she hunts, is Ok with guns, and a rank beginner makes no sense. She was in her mid-40s. She maybe a little rusty but there is no way she is a beginner. The other statements cannot be true if she is a beginner. If she was a beginner she would have doubted herself not the rifle, and she would not have dropped the animal with the first shot from the second rifle.

As far as her Father loading the rifle, well maybe that’s a family quirk since Sarah did the same thing to Bristol in another episode.

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from CharityBT wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Good lord people!!! What a bunch of haters! The media really has us where they want us, don't they? They attack and ridicule us, and we attack and ridicule our own without having all the facts! Sarah Palin's scope was off because her dad had taken a fall while carrying her gun the day before. It was proven later in the show that the scope was off. As soon as she was handed another gun, she took one more bad shot and then dropped the caribou where it stood. I have watched many hunting shows and I've seen a lot of bad shots from experienced hunters. Get a life! Sarah Palin is one of the few politicians fighting for our 2nd Amendment rights which are hanging in the balance right now. Pick a side, then have the back of those righting for your rights. Shameful.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

As for John McPlain I mean McCain, we all knew that was all self explanatory.

Now for Alaska, anyone thinks you can just flop down in the tundra and shoot obviously has never been there. For those of you who never been in that environment, imagine large area rock fields with holes you would go down to your knees if not more covered with dense grass and vines, not the most comfortable place to be.

As for Ms. Palin is an extremely inexperienced shooter?

David, you want me to comment about you??????

I remember a few off the bench can't hit the barn shots, using a sling in standing to carrying the muzzle down for a faster shots?

Need to apologize there fella!

I'm no Chris Kyle and your not that great either so let's get back on the 1000 yard line and talk about it and NRA High Power Rules apply....

______________________________________________________

From Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read,

Sportsman conduct

I find how pathetic how pseudosportsmen will cut down and chastise other sportsmen for whatever reason they themselves think. I don’t care if you’re my Neighbor, my Best Friend, Sir David E. Petzal, Uncle Ted or even Gunny R. Lee Ermey, they all done something I picked up on which in fact I can go off on but I don’t, we all have our faults and as long as “Good Sportsmanship, respect in one another and to promote the great outdoors” I can live with it. DEP is a good sport and I would say I sure like to grab a can of ammo out of the locker and spend an hour or two on the range with him. Why, it’s between DEP and I and that is where I will leave it and beside, we would have a blast!! I was taught and learned through rubbing shoulders with other Sportsmen “TRUE SPORTSMEN” and by the way some of them the best in the Nation and learned a lot even from the beginners!! True Sportsmen are those who are your best friend the problem is, you just never met’yet. They will kindly walk over and tell you that your zipper down and do it in such a way it doesn’t embarrass you in front of the congregation at Church.

I don’t know anyone who has the corner of it all. The way we do and what we believe will differ pending on our teachings, personal flavors, geographical locations and upbringings. In Alaska, there are those we/they call Outsiders who believe the 300 Win Mag is the best rifle while the Residents favor the 338 Win Mag. From Desert Poodles to Mule Deer, for one cartridge to fit all will differ as I’m competent with Mule Deer with my 22-250 while some will prefer a 375 H&H. Under kill – over kill, our beliefs go from one end of the spectrum to the other.

As for Ice Cream, I prefer Breyers® Vanilla Bean in a large glass measuring cup with just an ounce or two of milk hand stirred. Now how many folks would prefer that as their favorite?

As for SP’s video, I will agree if you’re going to put something out for the entire world to see, at least look good at doing it or just save it for Family viewing. At least “The Best and Worst of Tred Barta” does it as humanly possible. By the way, what’s the latest word on him?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Let's talk about the TV celebrities who have run afoul of the law with game violations next, shall we? Palin is irrelevant ot the hunting scene anyway.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Michman: Nugent being "ticketed for unheard of laws"? Are you kidding? Everyone in California it seems, except possibly Ted Nugent, knows you can't bait deer there or shoot undersized bucks. Ted Nugent is out for Ted Nugent. He's a ruthless game hog and a self-serving grandstander who uses gun rights to exploit his own personal financial agenda. He will no doubt continue to break game laws till he lands in some county where a judge isn't overly influenced by the kitty tail hanging out of his pants and gives him the punishment he deserves. Then he won't be hunting any longer in most of the US states.

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from Greg Hart wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I saw this clip when it first aired and I thought it odd that she had her father work the bolt. I thought it demonstrated a clear lack of understanding on how a firearm works, and I feel it's extremely irresponsible to go hunting without having a basic understanding on how your chosen firearm functions. I realize hunting is a learned skill and we all start somewhere, but I feel one should take a few minutes to familiarize themselves with their weapon.

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from Rick Evans wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Who knew F&S was a home for a-holes?

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

You know what I find very interesting both SWHunter and Lynn Stevens both made their VERY first posts on this thread. Both came out of nowhere just to question "Palin's" street cred.
I guess this makes a case for the belief that PETAphiles, Anti-gun nuts and Uber liberals stake out the bloodsport sites just to snipe.Wonder who pays for that Soros, Bloomberg, Cuomo or Newkirk?

Nice try....but you've been exposed....again.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

HAVEROD...
You're killin' me! ROTFLMAO!

"more likely they are a hairy 35 year old male who still lives in his mother's cellar with posters of Ingrid Newkirk and Obama just above the old Pizza Boxes."

www.slack-time.com/music-video-2483-Brad-Paisley-Online

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

wisc14,

"We" make it through the day because, for the most part, we really don't pay much attention to the manure spread on here. Just a diversion.....

Cheers

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from Occasional Outd... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

This discussion has GONE NUTS, Mr. Gun Nuts and all other gun nuts. Gentlemen outdoors people should not offend ladies, period. It pains me that a female with a big heart, big enough to have a good dream for America is being berated for something she is not majoring in. She became a governor of Alaska and some of us cannot even win a seat in the school board. All of us are good only with guns and we are so mighty proud of it as if that is the sole requirement for good citizenship. Poor brother has come to the rescue and I think it is a good family breeding. I feel bad for her dad. Have we gone too far with our guns Mr. Petzal? Ask your wife please. And all the females in your circle. Its a good time to remember women on Valentines week.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter....You found him! LOL

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Safado:

Good grief:
As if the braggadocio wasn't already bad enough; now you're to the point you're bragging about running marathons!

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Please! Don't anyone say anything negative about Michelle Obama or the thread will be deleted and those of us here on the Right will be set back to those Re-Training Camps.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Yes, Let's leave Ms. Obama and other's wives out of this, how about it? Michelle and hot do not belong in the same sentence.

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from CJ wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Wisc14 is that your age or IQ? The pathetic banter between idjits like you, GP, and Honked-up reminds me of the flame wars of past dweebs like Crusty ol'NCO, Clayton Copper, Yohan, others. This moronic diatribe is why lots of folks left his blog.

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

So Dave shall we ge another good conversation piece soon ?!!!

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

bruisedsausage, it is you who apparently needs to have it spelled out for you, and not Ellen!

Forgetting everything else for the moment, let's just try to concentrate on one tiny point to illustrate why eye (and ear) witnesses are usually of little value in a trial...

For those who watched the video and then reported that Mrs. Palin asked "Hey Dad...does it kick?". Please go back to the video to see who first said "It kicks" and then repeats it.

If you don't have excessive wax in your ears you will find Mrs. Palin is simply repeating what her father has said. She does nothing more than acknowledging his warning.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

BTW:
Mr. Petzal also reported this incorrectly even after he
"...felt so poorly about this that I went back and re-viewed the tape."

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Hoski,
Wondered how long it would be before you jumped on this blog looking for converts to proselytize! LOL

This whole thing is so much bullsheet.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Jihunt, thanks for comming forth with the litter.

When I read David Petzal what he writes today, more often I wonder what's his case & point is but I finding myself holding my nose now.

As for Sir Phil Bourjaily (A True Sportsmen) it's full of really neat stuff and info I wouldn't of even thought about. But most of all, it's what I would want those from new to the advance Sportsmen especially those who know nothing about our world who may think negatively watching CNN etc about the outdoors to read and watch.

As I see it, this isn't about Sarah Palin's shooting missed shots, it's about what lead up to it. At first thought, I would truly believe David with his master (?) knowledge (?) of hunting and shooting experience would have a very good idea and like a Detective have easily figured it out, but grossly didn't.

If I was to write an article, I would have summarized the most likely what occurred and suggested what I would have done from my experience in Alaska.

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from Thomas Kennedy wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Just wondering, Petzal what's your biggest big game animal. Chuck Heath Sr., who you are bad mouthing has a top 40 BC goat and was a hunting partner with Chuck Moe and Lew Bradley. No high fence game ranches for those fellas.

Sarah is ok people just hate the notion of being Alaskan.

thats fine.

Sincerely,
Thomas

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from Kenon wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter

Did you read Chuck Heath Jr’s letter to the editor of "Field & Stream"?

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"I sent the following letter to the editor of Field & Stream in response to an article, Sarah Palin’s Shooting by David E. Petzal, posted at their site. It’s disappointing that the letter even had to be written to a publication such as theirs, but the inaccuracies will not go unanswered.

February 13, 2013

Dear Editor,

As a fan of Field and Stream dating back to my childhood, it was very disheartening to read David Petzal’s hit piece on my father Chuck Heath, and my sister Sarah Palin’s caribou hunt in the TLC show, Sarah Palin’s Alaska. Why Mr. Petzal chose to write something like this nearly three years after the fact is perplexing…a cry for attention perhaps?

I shared the article with my parents and my mother responded by saying, “This is so ridiculous that it doesn’t even merit a response.”

Mom’s probably right but I guess I’m too stubborn to drop it that easily.

Petzal implying that Sarah has no experience with guns is akin to the bogus Washington Post story this week that said Sarah is going to work for Al Jazeera. Even a tiny bit of digging would have lead Mr. Petzal to a completely different conclusion.

So please allow me to set some facts straight:

First of all, I can’t recall the first time my sisters and I ever pulled the trigger on a rifle. We were too young to remember. Guns have been a part of my family for generations. My father and I recently wrote a book (Our Sarah: Made in Alaska) that chronicles some of our early hunting experiences.

So what are the facts? For one, Mr. Petzal leads the reader to believe that Sarah didn’t sight her gun in before the hunt. Totally untrue. The day before they set out after their prey, Sarah and Dad were consistently “driving tacks from 100 yards” (as Dad put it) with Sarah’s .225 Winchester. Those of you who watched the show in its entirety know that while walking across the tundra, Dad slipped and fell while carrying Sarah’s gun. He didn’t realize at the time that he had knocked the scope askew.

When it came time for Sarah to take her shot, she took aim, fired, and missed badly. Dad (or one of the nitwits as Petzal cruely refers to him) is visibly frustrated. After sixty-plus years of continual hunting and big game guiding, he has earned that right. Even at nearly 75 years old, I doubt Petzal could keep up with him. When it becomes obvious that Sarah’s scope is out of whack, she switches guns with Dad’s buddy, Becker. (By the way, Becker is not a guide as Petzal mentions in his piece, nor is he a nitwit).

As Sarah gets ready to fire Becker’s Remington 7mm Magnum, she asks if it has much of a kick. Why? Because her .225 doesn’t kick and she can keep her eye closer to the scope. My mom once had a nasty circle cut around her eye doing the same thing and Sarah never forgot that.

Once Sarah settled in with the 7mm, she dropped her caribou in one shot.

By the way, the day after the hunt, Dad set up some paper plates at fifty yards and couldn’t hit them with the .225. The scope was that far off.

If you doubt any of the things I’ve said perhaps you should talk to some of the people that were actually there. Here are a few of them:

-Stryker Overly – guide from Tok, Alaska
-Greg Jennen – owner of Alaska Glacier Mountain Outfitters in Two Rivers, Alaska
-John Pontz – bush pilot from Unalakleet, Alaska
-Mitch Tanen – Television Producer with Mark Burnett Productions
-Steve Becker – commercial fisherman and hunting buddy

Mitch Tanen in particular had this to say: “I’m sorry to hear that the magazine is calling into question the authenticity of the hunt we showed in that episode. I don’t know how to say it plain enough…the actual hunt and the story of all the events of that hunt as laid out in the episode are all true. There were always no less then ten people following Sarah, your father and Steve Becker during the four-day shoot. So in addition to your father and Steve Becker, an additional producer, at least two camera operators, two audio mixers, several PA’s, a coordinator, medical personnel, safety personnel and at least one of the two bush pilots we depended on to get us out into the bush from Kavik Camp, were there and had eyes on Sarah at the moment she shot the caribou. To suggest that somehow all of these individuals (including me) with our own differing political views would risk the professional reputations some of us have spent a life time building to make up something like that for the good of a television show is both ignorant and insulting.”

Petzal’s piece is full of gaping holes and tarnishes the reputation of everyone who was involved in that hunt.

As Sarah explains, “He’s the typical lying SOB-type that I’ve been dealing with since 2008. I’m very disappointed in Field & Stream for printing his garbage. This made-up fantasy of the columnist ranks right up there with yesterday’s report in the Washington Post that claims I’m working for Al Jazeera. My retort to that one was: ‘Uum, right… and tomorrow I’m having coffee with Elvis at the Mocha Moose in Wasilla.’ Really, these silly people need to get a life!”

Thank you,
Chuck Heath, Jr."

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

OH

I’ll start with the 225 Winchester on Caribou is really pushing the limits not saying it can’t be done which I believe it can with 60-63 grain Soft Point. But the wind conditions are absolutely wicked and just looking across the tundra, it’s very hard to judge. Just walking 50 yards can go from graveyard calm to a category 6 hurricane.

As for Alaska Residents shooting? Conditions and gear is totally different than that would be used in the lower 48, actually its better, cheaper and far better quality; “There is no bad days if you’re properly equipped”. In Alaska, equipment gets pounded and dropped, weather & terrain conditions and travel plays absolute hell on everything. Alaska Residents are like anyone else; they put on their pants just like we do and the “well seasoned “ hunters chances are in better physical condition to handle that environment. As for Sarah Palin, the fact is she isn’t a “Tom Boy”!

As for my 9 ½ Wide on Soldiers, I did that periodically. (LOL). It was more the lack of confidence in their equipment, how to use it, most of all the ill advised, poor & misguided training.
Other, I can’t believe you did that and it all comes from outsiders
Two Enlisted practicing for the State Police with a 454 Casull at 25 yards. As long as the target didn’t move, it was safe!
Colonel with a 340 Weatherby , nuked the scope on the 3rd shot and replaced it with a Tasco 3x9. The rest of the story is self explanatory! OUCH!
Shooter with reloaded ammunition forbidden to shoot until all resizing dripping with (grossly excessive & dripping) lubricant is removed.
Caribou Hunter with an 03-A3 with a round in the chamber with the firing pin lowered riding a Suzuki 230 Quad Racer with a 5 gallon plastic gas can tied around his handle bar.
2 Fellas sighted there 300 Mags in at 450ish yards for a Sheep hunt and the Rams were at 175-200 yards down hill.
And the list goes on and on and on!
But if you notice, the real problem really isn’t the Alaska Hunter and yes, they are prone to the O’by the ways like anyone else. But the truth of the matter is the Outsiders who come to Alaska listening to Armchair Specialists. One Fella at a Gun Store tried to sale a Lady a Mini 14 for her husband for Moose and Grizzly hunt.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

If I was asked, who would be the best Sportsmen I ever knew ?

I can think of many names, but the two who popup in my mind is those who go out of there way and sacrifice there time to help everyone.

For me, it's a tossup!

National Champion Nancy Tomkins

And

University of Alaska Fairbanks Randy Pitney

Why?

They are the best of the best and they treat others as if they are there best friend, they just haven't met'yet!

My case & point is this,

Why is it, I can think of outstanding Sportsmen to talk about than read trash that is like the one above?

Seriously!

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from Bonnie wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Hi Clay, I think I saw you with a bunch of guys all decked out in new Eddie Bauer with the creases still in them, at the Anchorage Airport. Were you the one that was talking so loud that people 10 feet away were wincing? The one with the beer belly and reddish face? There is always a blowhard. It makes layovers in the airport almost fun watching you Alaska wanna-be's.

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from the Preacher wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

OntarioHunter. Funny comments. If you are really from the land o lakes then please understand the US right is heavily on the defensive and cannot take any criticism right now. I would very much appreciate if you kept your voice heard on this blog. It is most important to have all perspectives. And as you suggested I did check out your trophy board. Obviously great skills, but what makes me cringe with jealousy is of course your labs. Thanks

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from Ellen Gbane wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

@Clay Cooper
“Just what part of Sarah Palin is a Lady, not a Tom Boy!”

Certainly the part where she is deferential rather than confrontational with men; she comfortably relies on her husband, her father, her brother and other; and the part where she wears dresses and skirts instead of pant suits.

Also the story she tells about her Dad trying to hand her eye balls -- a bridge too far.

Oh back to dresses and skirts sure Tom Boys might wear them, but they would not be as comfortable as Sarah Palin, moreover Sarah Palin seem to like them along with very high heels. Mostly she’s a lady because she can dress-up or dress down with equal skill.

@ Bonnie
“If the film contained altered, incomplete and chronologically inaccurate footage that is hardly the fault of the viewer. If you were there, you must know...who put the segment together and OK'd it?”

Given that the episode was 43 minutes long and one can watch it streamed on Netflix, why write a column base on a 3 minute clip.

Why is there a 3 minute clip? Perhaps it was an advertisement for the show, or a web episode clip. Still in any other situation would you expect a review to be based on a movie trailer or web episode clip?

Sure many people might decide whether or not to see a movie based on the trailer or a clip, but we would not expect a review/column to be base on the trailer or clip.

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from RockySquirrel wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

The last couple rants on this site are actually pretty funny.

I have only been on this site regularly for here about 2 years, ask a few questions, get some good answers and occasionally comment when I actually have a clue about the subject. And sometimes when I don’t. Usually I say my peace and move on. There is a lost of information about the outdoors GOLD to be mined here, if you can wade through it. There is also a lot of humor to, if you know where to look.

But not only do I seriously believe that some of these trolls are paid ringers to keep the web hits coming, but I am seriously beginning to believe the old guys are just as guilty as the trolls. They deliberately fire up the trolls, so they get a reaction or have someone to argue against. Passes the time before fishing season. Sort of a symbiotic relationship. LOL.

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from Rifleman1st wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

1st off, my children even though they are grown get the same treatment when they hunt with me. I'm Dad and I want to control everything and make they're hunt perfect.... Secondly, every hunter has knocked a scope off at one point or another. I wonder how many misses you've had edited out of your videos Petzal? I give her credit for hunting period. How many other politicians put themselves out there with something like this? On a side note, .225 Winchester? Awesome! When is the last time you saw one of those?????

Hey Petzal, STFU and go trap shooting with Obama for your next rant...... I'd LOVE to hear about that one....

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from Jere wrote 1 year 7 weeks ago

For those that want to criticize Sarah Palin, just think she/they could have edited the missed shots out of the show completely.

I give her props for being honest.

Sarah Palin had it right (she told her dad the scope was out of alignment on the first gun and and test of dads rifle proved her confidence in her judgment was accurate); the rifle she had was droped and the scope got knocked out of alignment. If you watched the show you would know that.

She took Becker’s rifle and knocked down the caribou first shot. The fact that she nailed the caribou with one shot when she had a properly sited gun speaks volumes.

She also helped skin and pack the animinal.

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from CL3 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Wasn't her 15 minutes up about 3 years ago?

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from GregMc wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

She doesn't even cycle the bolt herself.
That's no hunter.

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from Tim Platt wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

You will not find me trying to defend any politician. Right or left they are all corrupt and selling their country out to the highest bidder. As has been previously mentioned I see no reason to single Sarah out, she is pretty much irrelevant to politics today.

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Kudukid, This was the precise goal of the liberals! They run the media throw around rumors randomly, and republicans try like h3ll pandering to all involved in a nonsense issue and shouting each other down to look as if they aren't what the liberals say they are.

Look at the past presidential race. The propaganda put out by liberals is what got Obama a 2nd term.

The war on women
Romney's taxes
Republicans what dirty: air, water, and scorched earth
Republicans want to do away with Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare, etc...

While all this nonsense is going on liberals are dismantleing what made the United States of America great. Yet millions of lemmings voted based on the above stated propaganda ignoring what was slapping them in the face. Now we are discussing Sara Palin and other worthless topics while they continue to dismantle everything American. I guess we deserve what we get for allowing our worthless education system to get away with the dumbing down of our youth in the past and present leading to this point in time. I for one don't care anymore what happens, I'm in a selfpreserving mode of thought until we hit bottom at which time I will be the first fighting to get back out of the hole dug by the idiots among us!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

buckhunter,
Exactly......

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from argoman wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

remember the sports writer who said something about ar rifles not being considered sporting rifles? I think DEP better check his compass.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Wait for it....wait for it....heh,heh....

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

willegge:

Ontario Honker already took a hit from me and, much to his credit, he came clean.

Now with your extensive list of hunting venues you have accomplished the same sort of self aggrandizement.

It is always better if praise comes from others.

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from JamesD wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

It seems the debate comes down to weather you like or dislike the various people who have been dubbed as spokes-men for the hunting, shooting and gun owning communities. We need to act as our own diplomats and petition the government for a redress of grievances,(Hmmm... it seems I've read that someplace before) all of our representatives at every level of government are accessible by phone, mail and e-mail. They know who shows up to vote in elections and they definitely want to be re-elected. Debating with one another here is ok but the real fight is happening in Washington and our state legislatures that's where our opinions will carry the most weight. It's easier to stop it before it happens than to try and undo it after it's done. Governments do not like to reliquish power once they've accumulated it.

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from Mymati wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

First let me save some on this blog some time. This is my fist post on F&S's blog ( that seems to be importnt to some here) and I am not a great hunter although I have shot a gun many times. For my money Sarah seems to have been quite honest about this entire episode. She was an executive producer on the series and could have nixed the episode if she so desired. As for the video you all do realize you are watching an edited video, right? watching again will not change what is on it, however if you were to watch nedited video from the trip you might be embarassed by your comments.

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from Ellen Gbane wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

@Urs
“hunting is a situation involving life and death, and sometimes with faulty techniques it's not just the little female caribou that gives up their life.”

“…there is no shame in admitting that one is not really a hunter…”

Looks like millions of people who hunt are not really hunters. I mean some of them go out early in the morning and consume adult beverages and do all kinds of dangerous stupid things. Do you think that means they aren’t hunters, or just that they are careless hunters? Do you think hunters who have faulty technique aren’t really hunters, or is that just the standard for Palins?

SP’s Alaska was a reality show it was not in real time. It just showed some activities one could do with family and friends in Alaska. It was a nice showcase for the state. Moreover, it was full of great staycation ideas for family adventures.

I suppose SP’s Alaska was joke for Alaskans not in the hospitality industry. For those in the hospitality industry I bet they love anything that helps to generate business. I bet shooting ranges all over the place liked the step up in business as some of the millions watching at home thought hey I’d like to try shooting because it looked like fun.

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from bruisedsausage wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Hoski, we agree about something! Cheers.

@ kudukid
I would hope before she pulled trigger... Note; it doesn't say anything about "trying" to get the animal down, it says, "getting the animal down" This of course is speaking about what should be on the mind of the hunter BEFORE engaging their target. Not after sending a volley of shots at it.

Seriously done now, I think my IQ may have dropped just engaging with this dribble.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

B.S.

Sincerely hope for your sake your IQ didn't drop too much.

An experienced hunter would not ask if a rifle kicks before taking it hunting large game. They would already know the answer and they would also know their ability to absorb it.

Apparently Mrs. Palin is knowledgeable enough to know that heavy recoil can be a problem for someone not used to it.

In addition, Mr. Petzal is also wrong about seeing her fire the rifle. She most assuredly did fire it.

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from fitch270 wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Cabin fever has set in to the point we've gone cannibal.
Given folks either love or hate Ms. Palin I doubt any one can be objective regarding this.

Herr Petzal, given that you are prone to giving good looking women shooting lessons I suggest you invite
Ms. Palin for an appearance on The Gun Nuts show and we settle this once and for all. Imagine the ratings.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

By the way,

Sheriffs first,' gun bills clear Montana House committee

www.missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/montana-legislature/sheriffs-...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Awesome CharityBT and a +1 for you, you are a great Sportswoman!

These guys prefer women with more testosterone than they have! LOL!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Uncle Ted & Sarah Palin for 2016?

That would give the Liberals a meltdown!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Congratulations buckstopper, you made my,

From Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read,

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from RockySquirrel wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Are you guys STILL whacking away at this topic?

Mr. Petzal did his job. His is paid to get people to read his magazine and generate hits on this web site. You may be mad, but I might suspect that big Dave is getting a raise on all this traffic. Its all about advertising.

I am also beginning to suspect that some of these “trolls” are phonies that turn up from the to time to fire up the readers and keep them web hits a coming. Advertising pays the freight and print journalism is a tough racket.

In this case, Dave, from what I read above, you may need to Cowboy Up and do an apology.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

shane

Obviously you have ZIP!, ZERO!, NADA!, not one bit of knowledge about caribou hunting!

Caribou,

The size of a caribou is between a Mule Deer and Elk, but not so big you can’t load one up on the front of an 1987 Suzuki 250 Quadrunner 4x4 ATV. As for knocking down a Caribou they are actually almost as easy as Antelope, they can’t take the punishment like Elk. A 270 loaded with Hornady 130 grain Spire Point, works just as good as my 338 Win Mag with 225’s, just got to let the air out of the critter! My second Caribou, I was going to use my 25-06 but word was out about a Grizzly on the same mountain side as usually checking out the gut piles.
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ken.mcloud said it best! “So, I think that the superior killing power of larger rounds is largely in our heads.(likely testosterone induced) A flat-shooting round that you can accurately place will produce as many if not more "bang-flop" kills as a heavy caliber round.”
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On the other hand
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"We have not heard from Ken McCloud in ages hope he was not carrying a fast stepping small caliber rifle and ran into a testosterone laden elephant that could not spell hydrostatic shock. Just teasing Clay. Kindest Regards"
-Happy Myles
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The truth is!
There is so much “RED MEAT” out there on the Gun Debate, any Editor or Writer has now a smorgasbord from Wyoming’s new Law to Arkansas Concealed Carry on Campus and what’s now blowing up in Obama’s face,
Obamacare Amendment Forbids Gun and Ammo Registration,
Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c..
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By the way shane,

Snit happens to the best of the best, they are human also, if you haven't looked....

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from Bonnie wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Reading through the comments (!) I noticed that no one has pointed out a few things that did jump out at me. Let's say a party of 3 goes hunting, 2 nights, a few days, fireside chats, etc. These are 2 well known old pros and a nearly-50 year old woman who claims to have been filling the freezer when it's her turn, claims to have killed many animals, life-long hunter, been around guns her whole life, etc. So these 3 go on a caribou hunt, and we see the weird antics during the shooting section. Arms a flying, shooting at a moving animal with a tiny rifle, so many hands working the bolt. She doesn't carry her own rifle, she apparently really has no rifle but the father's, she asks at second 22 of the video if his rifle kicks. Then again when the friend offers her his own rifle, she asks if THAT one kicks. Now this is the part I just can't imagine...that a person, woman or man, who claims to have been hunting most of their life, claims to have filled the freezer many times, claims to have gone hunting and killed animals many times.....this person over the 3 day hunting trip did not even one time ask her hunting partner what kind of rifle he carried? No casual banter about the suitability of one rifle over another, no discussion as to ammo, the power and kick of the rifle, etc. This is with a hunting partner! Hard to imagine someone growing up around hunting, claiming to be a hunter, yet apparently having no intellectual interest whatsoever as to the firearm her hunting partner was carrying, and apparently no basic knowledge of the few types of rifles that are actually used in Alaska for Caribou, what kind of kick would entail from using them. The other point I wondered about, why was her hunting partner ready with a round in the chamber with a much larger rifle than the one her father gave her to shoot with? Was there a plan already in action to ensure the kill which could very well have been jeopardized by the use of the varmint gun? The whole thing seems so bogus. I would never have let my own teenager continue to pose with his kills if he had not progressed to carrying his own rifle, working the mechanisms of his own firearm, aiming by himself, and gutting his own animal, dealing with all the meat. THEN he could pose with the head of the animal and call it his own. Not when he is nearly 50, after years of "hunting" with his father really doing the whole thing.

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from Kenon wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal.......Sarah Palin’s father took a tumble with that rifle! The gun sight was off; if you’d finished the show, you would have known that.

Sarah Palin hunts for the meat; she hunted and shot a caribou, and then field dressed it (!) to bring home for food.

Most critics are negative on Palin going in, and nothing she could do or say will change their minds. Sarah, and the Palin family in general, are going to have detractors no matter what they do.

The PDS loons have watched every show and they know that in the second episode of SPA that Sarah Palin is loading the gun for Bristol the same way that her Dad loaded the rifle for her. Sarah Palin is out skeet shooting with Bristol in that episode. Bristol shoots and misses and Sarah Palin puts the bullet in the gun for her.

PDS, or Palin Derangement Syndrome, is never going to wane.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Gosh, this is a good thread!! I'm not sure what makes me laugh harder? Those trying to defend Sarah or those who think Petzal gives a damn what they think.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Clay, Exactly what is "rank" with Bonnie's post? I find the two most recent to be well thought out and informative. She is one of the few posters who has not escalated this circus into something which it is not. However, her common sense is taking all of the fun out of it.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Thanks buckhunter, had to go back to Bonnie and re’read her post. PC locked up and misread what she wrote.

Anyhow, at this moment I’m looking for WA Hunters recipe for crow!

Hey Bonnie, welcome to the club! Sorry for the screw-up and by the way, I don’t do Eddie Bauer, personally the line sucks and all my Alaska hunts where without aircraft except for one

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Bonnie my Grandfather loved F&S and passed away at 103 with several more to read.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Del in KS

AMEN! AMEN! & AMEN!

You have a typo Sir, should of said, didn't come soon enough!

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from AKGRIZ wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Mr Petzal,

You're assumptions based on a mass-dissiminated, edited video are at best juvenile and at worst libel. You're assertions are foolish and your conclusions based on facts unknowable.You chose to publicly attack someone based on nothing more than your biased opinion based altered, incomplete and chronologically inaccurate footage which anyone with even a smidgen of common sense could surmise was the case. Aparently sir, you have agenda and don't mind inventing facts to forward it.

How do I know of what I speak? I was there. You were not. I've not read any of your former blather and I'm certain I won't start now. I also sincerely hope you're former reader's numbers grow. After all how can information garnered from someone who failed to retain the basic lesson taught every boy in in preschool be held at all reliable. Let me remind you. Big boys don't pick on girls.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Rifleman1st,
"Secondly, every hunter has knocked a scope off at one point or another."

I have scarred up several elk rifles and dinged up scopes over the years. None have been "knocked off" zero. But of course you need quality scopes and sturdy mounts.... So I take exception to your comment above. A .225 Winchester is hardly an awesome caribou rifle. I applaud Ms. Palin's love of the outdoors and love her politics, too. While I am not impressed with her video, I am impressed that she goes hunting!

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from MICHMAN wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

DP advises that SP should tell her dad to shut the "f" up and refers to the caring dad who is sharing in an hunting experience with his daughter as a "nitwit." Is this the PRODUCT that F&S wants to output? Is F&S subscribing to the principle that no publicity is bad publicitiy? I think there might be a nitwit involved and it isn't Sara's father.

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from Tim Platt wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

All right buckhunter, I thought you were saying if you support Palin you support the cops beating the crap out of Rodney King. You said "this video" and were talking about the other King video right before you said it.

I will admit she is a very inexperienced hunter, but I have a feeling her thoughts on firearms are much more like yours and mine than what Obama's are. All politicians pretend to be everything to everyone.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 7 weeks ago

O' THIS IS TO FUNNY!

THE TRUTH - LIBERAL WOMEN ARE JEALOUS OF SARAH PALIN
Posted by Mike Silverman on Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:34:14 AM
The more I ponder the vitriol and venom that liberal women are spewing like acid at Sarah Palin, the more I have boiled it down to something less complicated than ideology from them. Sarah Palin is what they wish they could be. These liberal ladies want to have the cheers and throngs of full throated support that Sarah has, and they hate the fact that Sarah is an attractive Republican woman. She's strong, confident, Conservative, happy with her life, beautiful and admired by millions. The liberal female pundits, radical feminists and hollywood kooks who have cultivated thier narrow political audiences are bewildered and jealous over this. Sure there's some ideology mixed in, but I think it's used more as a cover for the seething jealousy of her popularity. To these liberal ladies, "they" are supposed to be the pinnacle of popularity. They have prostituted themsleves to the ideology of a fringe viewpoint , and as a result they get "in" to the elite gatherings of social snobbery that represent that radical view of the country. But , do they really believe the lunacy of the liberalism they spew, or are they towing the line so that they can keep that "in" crowd venue with the mopy miserable depressed liberals who wring thier hands at the unfairness of life, financial success, and carbon-dioxide? I think they secretly wish they could "be" Sarah Palin, because Sarah has not had to go "phony" and be something that "others" want her to be in order to "fit in" with the super egos of radical beligerants. She's not one of them. Sarah doesn't care to rub shoulders with the illuminati of liberal inner circles. It doesn't make sense to the liberal mindset. In thier world view there are not supposed to be "normal" people in this country. Or, at least the "normal" people are supposed to be the "fringe" nutcases not the rallying point of the great majority. But the rest of us know why Sarah is popular. Precisely because she represents the core values we cherish most.

- Mike Silverman, Milford MA

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from Daniel Allison wrote 1 year 2 weeks ago

These comments have convinced me that our cause is doomed as we have turned to eating our own. The principle of divide and conquer still works and we have divided ourselves. One of the few friends we have we have sat down to have her for dinner. I would not blame her if she became silent after this savaging by her own people. I feel the same about the way "sportsmen and women" have attacked Ted. Heck we don't need enemies, we have each other. We may as well line up to turn in our guns.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Regardless of political persuasion, one has to agree that Ms. Palin is a rank amateur when it comes to firearms and hunting. If she is so accomplished, why does she need to be videotaped in the first place? I lover her political views on guns and hunting, but wish she would not try to be one of "us" as she clearly is not. All hunting shows are hokey, this one included....

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from fordman155 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

While Sarah Palin may have plenty of time outdoors, that does not make her a good hunter or deft with a rifle. She looks like a rank amateur. I have to wonder why her dad was working the bolt. She is a fine speaker for what is right with American individualism and achievement, but not the actual hunting of big game with a rifle.

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from Dcast wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

WAM, Lets not! All it breaks down to is personal likes and dislikes for someone without looking at the facts or finger pointing saying ahhhh, s/he should have known and blahblahblah!

If we're going to talk about people lets discuss Matt Damon's dum bass! "I'm not using the restroom until every person on earth has clean water"! I say well good I hope your intestines explode because you have always been full of $h!t!!! Or other Hollywood idiots.

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from Ncarl wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

If were done with Sarah Palin and her hunting experiences let me stir the pot. What do you all think of Paul Ryan and his hunting experiences?

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from Carl Huber wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Given the conduct of political figures in the last few decades. The only one I could forgive out right would be Kate Upton. This would be on face value.

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from MaxPower wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Good call MICHMAN, let's not allow petty differences or personal dislikes divide us

As far as Palin goes, not all MILF's can shoot.

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from rock rat wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

You guys are unreasonably harsh on ol caribou Barby. She was brave enough to just let the video go out, warts and all, authenticity is worth something. No one ever took her to be a real hunting or shooting nut, just someone who like most in AK is exposed to it through family and friends. If you really thought she was a dedicated hunter or shooter, stop voting, your not intellectually up to the task.

Speaking of which, she is not a dingbat, or dumb. She's just unsophisticated, not versed in current affairs, uncurious. What IS really dumb is that she came this close to being a heartbeat away from running the country.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

And I have to say, the idea behind that Alaska regulation is commendable. Everyone who does wound but loses an animal should have to waste their tag. I don't see anything wrong with that. Of course, it's also a regulation that's just about impossible to enforce except with honor system ... or video footage. Just as he did in California, Nugent arrogantly supplied authorities with all the evidence they needed for a conviction on his televised outdoors show. What kind of dork would run footage of that as part of his program anyway? Just what the non-hunting crowd needs to see is some celebrity boff a shot on an animal and then shoot another one. Hell, I'm a hunter and I don't want to see that! He didn't need to put it in his show! Totally tasteless not to mention just plain stupid. Somebody like that is NOT doing us hunters any favors.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Correction: Nugent was filmed wounding the bear but the footage never made it to being aired. Deepest apologies for that incorrect information. Apparently someone on his crew ratted him out. Which brings up the question: if someone on his crew knew about the regulation, wouldn't Nuge also have known about it? We'll never know what the crew knew about what Nugent knew because he took a convenient plea bargain and that was the end of it.

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from Bubba Squirrel wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Dave--sorry to hear that your sense of touch is impaired. Here's hoping that your fingers will heal soon.

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from 1uglymutha wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

1. all politicians represent themselves as something they're not. ditto for most,if not all "reality" show participants.
2. judging from the comments to this and all petzal's blog posts, he sure knows how to stir the pot. good for him . brings in lots of ad dollars and the "big bucks" (in more ways than one) for uncle dave.
3. now let's have one of the all time favorites: .270 vs 30-06.

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from etexan wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Lance Alworth??? you mean Armstrong??

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from weswes088 wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

I just don't understand why she needed her father to work the bolt on the rifle. That seems both unnecessary and a little unsafe. I don't want anyone touching my gun while I'm shooting, be it at targets or while hunting.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Lynne Stevens: The caribou had obviously lost her herd. And she was a young animal. May have even lost her calf. They often don't act to sharp when on their own.

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from Sl Johnson wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

Pointing out Palin's lack of expertise has nothing to do with being a liberal or conservative. It has to do with having knowledge about hunting. She clearly knows nothing about shooting guns. Anyone who says otherwise, also clearly knows nothing about shooting guns or hunting. Furthermore, there is no shame in not being a hunter. The shame is in pretending to be something you are not.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 9 weeks ago

haverodwilltravel:

PITHY...love it!

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I'm outahere before I get shot in the crossfire.

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from 99explorer wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

As much as I admire Sarah Palin, I have to admit I was very puzzled by the way she carried the rifle with the scope down. The rifle was horizontal, but carried upside down.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Gees, GPBound, sorry about that. You have been here a lot longer than three months. I think I clicked on the next guy's profile by accident. My apologies.

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from bruisedsausage wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Ellen,
I guess I'm going to have to literally spell this out for you. @ about 22 seconds into the video.

Sarah ~ "Hey Dad...does it kick?"

Chuck ~ "No, no kick."

Becker ~ "He always says that"

They are talking about the 225 Winchester genius, NOT THE 7mm Mag!. I shouldn't have even replied to you but I decided since you missed that obvious snafu I would literally spell it out for others as well. Good day to you.

bring on the dings

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from bruisedsausage wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

kududim,

I think I'm hearing it properly and just in case I'm not TLC nicely subtitled it so we can actually read it. Again there are TWO DIFFERENT points in the video in which they are talking about the rifle kicking. For God's sake please don't make yourself appear any stupider than you already have.

The FIRST time its mentioned is at about 22 seconds into the video. She is the only one asking. (This is also verified in the subtitles, but maybe you can't read? Maybe need to get your eyes checked, or new glasses, or possibly just need to clean the eye boogers out or???)
The SECOND time its talked about is at about 1:45 after she trades her "non-kicking" gun for Becker's gun. You are correct that her father warns her that it kicks.

Do you understand that there are two different firearms being discussed here? Hopefully so. I'll accept your apology when you're man enough to admit your mistake, thanks.

Regards B.S.

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from kudukid wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

OK B.S.

Simple question...

When was she "trying to get the animal down?"

Was it before the hunt or during the shooting?

But I'm going to leave it at this, I'm tired of trying to educate someone who doesn't have the brains to aptly apply a simple sentence or even watch a simple 3 min video and deduce what is occurring.

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from Hoski wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

George Reynolds,
I would suggest doing a brief bio search of Mr. Petzel and any prior questions of his bonafides, He's the rifle editor for very good reason.

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from LesserSon wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Scranton? I think you'll find most of your gun-totin' "knuckle daggers" there to be registered democrats, which shows that gun politics does not break cleanly across party lines, at least not here in PA.
Republicans here come in two flavors: suburban small business / trades and rural agriculture / resource extraction. I'm a fifth generation republican. Democrats in PA are working folks, too, not elitists. They tend to concentrate in old factory and mining towns, where labor organized to counter corrupt business practices resembling slavery. Scranton is one of those. Read about the Knox Mine Disaster, and decide for yourself what killed the anthracite industry.
There's a great deal of hypocrisy in the political use of the word "elitist" these days. "Wildcats" (human & otherwise) and their admirers are elitists, in a far truer sense of the word. Shot placement trumps caliber, but .225win on a big animal seems like an attempted stunt, and an uncommon and expensive cartridge like that seems elitist, the way all "wildcats" strike me. Why not a .243win, a working man's cartridge?

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from CharityBT wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

@ Ontario Honker...you are a sad little man. You are spending WAY too much energy on this subject. Go take a walk or something..walk it off. Its all going to be ok. Sheesh!

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

A long time ago I once asked what made Dave Petzal smile. Now I know.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Speaking of Obama’s proctologist; he's the go-to guy for a frontal lobotomy....doesn't leave scars...

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from shane wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Look at that big long letter. Too bad you can just watch the video above it and see how pathetic this "hunt" was.

"Does it kick?!?"

Ugh.

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from shane wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I'm sick of the "dropped the gun" excuse. You have to know your gear. You either have confidence that the gun is still on or you don't shoot it until you know it is. It's called common sense, not to mention ethics. I also have to wonder how much of a fall on to grass it takes to knock a scope off of zero. It all reeks of low grade hunting and shooting skills. No one is going to rip into you if you don't claim to be something, but once you do, you're expected to put up or shut up.

Also, this blog would never have happened if there wasn't all sorts of whining on the last one from people that think would-be politicians are their friends or are good for the image of hunters and shooter. Wake up. They're not. Clinging to Sarah Palin these days is almost as willfully ignorant as still thinking Obama is gonna change the country for the better.

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from shane wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

.225 Winchester - The experienced caribou hunter's cartridge!

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

And Clay, if one takes a .225 Win hunting caribou, he/she is just asking for snit to happen. No excuse for that.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Bonnie, I'm not sure but as I recall the other guy did cycle a round into his 7mm Mag before handing it to Palin. Might be wrong on that though. Sorry, but I have watched that clip twice already and that's enough! Not going through it again. By the way, 7mm RM is a very respectable caliber for shooting large deer species - and even bear, which may have been why it was brought along. That peashooter of hers wouldn't have saved them if a real "mama grizzly" got upset.

Sounds like you have your boy on the right track. Safe and ethical. Good for you.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

I have been "flying" on airplanes for 40+ years, but that does not make me an expert "flyer", i.e. airline pilot! So, given Ms. Palin has been "hunting" with her family most of her life, that still does not make her a "hunter" in the true sense of the word. I have a dear friend who has "hunted" most of his life as well, but is a much better camp cook than anything else. When the moment of truth arrives, he fumbles, turns in circles, misses, can't reload, etc. Total clutz. I'm glad he was in the Navy during the Vietnam era else his name would have been on the Wall, I'm sure. Point being is that we should snicker, sneer, laugh, or whatever at this foolery on TV much the way we see Lee and Tiffany, et al and get a life! No reason to go on and on about Sarah Palin just because you don't like her or her politics.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Kenon,
Yeah, I read it and the other BS ad nauseum. The Heath Jr. letter was posted 4 times already on this thread before you saw fit to repeat the obvious. Did you think posting it again would prove or disprove anything different?

What's your point?

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Dave,

I hope a sequel is in the works...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Bonnie, your osmosis is showing and it is really rank!!

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from Bonnie wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Uh, OK, I think that means I don't have to dream up any more insults. Ha Ha. Anyway I did always like F&S when I was little, I never dreamed I'd be posting on it.

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from Del in KS wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Dave,

I don't want to say this too loud. Might cause a stampede to the nearest magazine stand. Mz Elisha Cuthbert is on the cover of the latest issue of Maxim magazine. Saw it last night in the mail flow at work.
Enjoy.
This thing about Sarah Palin is much ado about... not much IMNSHO.
I would like to publicly thank the Editors in general and Mr. Slaton White in particular for selecting yours truly to test in-line muzzleloaders. After the testing is done I know two new young hunters that are going to get a nice surprise.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 1 year 8 weeks ago

Bonnie, you hale from the Olympic Peninsula then. I met my late wife 25 years ago last summer at Port Angles and we had our first date fishing for cohos on my cruiser out at the six-mile buoy. I miss those days as I'm sure you do. I also worked a five month stint at Brooks River a few years back. Fished almost every day. My then new Scientific Angler reel was compl