



April 23, 2013
Primitive Arrowheads: 'Bird Points' Weren't Used for Hunting Birds
By Phil Bourjaily
Usually we deal with guns only, but every once in a while you come across a video that takes a Gun Nut approach to primitive weapons, and this is one of the best. Were bird arrow points for birds or deer? Only one way to find out...
Years ago when I worked at the University of Iowa’s museum of natural history we had a flintknapper come in and do a demonstration. He spent a long time making a complex Clovis spear point. He was knocking long blades off a round piece of chert then finishing them. He wrecked a couple and finally finished one. Then, to show us flintknapping wasn’t as hard as he had just made it look, he knocked out a perfect, tiny “bird point” in about five minutes.
As this video shows, it turns out Native Americans didn’t use bird points for birds after all (and certainly not for goldfinches). The sharp little points were perfectly capable of killing deer-size game at close range when launched from a 40 pound bow. These four test shots were taken at 10 yards on a freshly killed doe. I know a few people hunt successfully with these points today but I didn’t expect the results you see in this video.
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Phil,
I realized all of this a few years ago. These small points had two main advantages:
First, the smaller cross-section meant less friction and thus more penetration.
Secondly, before horses everything had to be carries on a person's back or possibly a dog. Thus, only a certain amount of rock could be carried and thus these small points maximized the amount of arrowheads that could be made with that amount of rock.
By the way, I understand that for some surgical procedures, obsidian scalples are preferred over stainless steel ones.
Very interesting. Thanks for that!
Surprising! I've known that modern broadheads with modern bows will easily shoot through a deer at 40 lb. pull; I've done it a few times. I had no idea the "bird" points would do so. Thanks!
Well. This begs the question, "What were the normal sized arrow heads for?"
That makes the thought of being shot with an arrow much worse for the early settlers who experienced conflicts with the native Americans. That especially since the point could break off somewhere inside of the body and primitive medicine such that it was.
I actually pulled up the same video last week and I thought that it was facinating. No less of an authority than Howard Hill, who was an amazing tournament archer and hunter claimed that a 40 lb longbow could kill any deer in North America including Moose and Elk. He was an advocate of heavy arrows though to get the most momentum and penetration.
Carney asks what are normal sized arrowheads used for. Actually these are normal sized arrowheads, these were typically used for most game animals using a bow and ranging in size from a 1/2 inch or smaller to about 2 inches. Arrowheads 2 inches and bigger were typically used for Atl-alts or (long dart) with a thrower or spear points which were used for even larger game such as Bison, Mammoths and other large game animals long extinct. I have been flint knapping for over 20 years and have had great success with an Osage bow and river cane arrows which have been proven to be as lethal as modern steel or metal arrowheads.
I have long suspected these were big game points. I can't imagine the ancients getting many birds with a bow. Some sort of trap would be much better for birds. I've seen indian bows and arrows in museums with the small points.
Guess I'm guilty of being overpowered for my elk hunting, but then Arizona sets limits on the bow power and broadhead size, so I guess I'll just have to go along with the game and fish politicians.
I've often wondered, what did they use to make arrowheads if there wasn't any flint around? Did they use bone or parts of sea shells? Is there another kind of stone that they could have used?
wow
Phil please allow me my dumb question of the month. Is it legal to hunt with a primitive point? I know they are as sharp as the dickens, but fragile.
As a side note. My wifes Grand Father used a glass shard to fashion all his wooden wine making tools. Metal might contaminate the product. There were other superstitions IE no women were allowed near the fermentation process. Only my wife as a small child.
I have seen arrowheads made out of obsidian, bone and even saw some made out of the bottom of a very, thick, glass jar. Aboriginal tribes in Florida used alligator gar scales for arrowheads.The bone arrows that I have seen were suprisingly sharp and it makes sense since bone knives have been used for quite sometime. Regulations on using primitive heads vary from state to state so you would have to look up the regs from your state DNR.
Woodpecker - Native Americans used whatever they had and they also traded with other groups and sometimes obtained the point making materials that way.
Carl Huber - I think Longhunter is right about point regulations varying from state to state.
Years ago I met a Blackfoot who knapped obsidian points just as his tribe used for centuries to kill bison. The finished points were about as big as his thumbnail. Bison were shot point blank off horseback or, before 1730, after driven over a cliff. The idea was to drive the arrow through both lungs and get the hell away. "Put that through his chest and it's like letting the air out of a balloon" he said.
Birds such as turkeys, prarie chickens, pheasants, etc. if on the ground were shot with an arrow with an arrow head. Birds in flight were also shot with arrows the difference was that the arrows instead of having an arrowhead attached to the shaft had a woven 5 to 8 inch flat like mat woven out of vines. it was big enough so when it hit the bird in flight it usually broke a wing or neck bringing the bitd down. This was a very efficent way of hunting birds. It is hard to describe exactly what this looked like. But with a little reasearch you can see exactly what i am talking about.
Near Newark OH is a place called Flint Ridge that has been called the "Great Indian Quarry of Ohio." Prehistoric people came from many areas to get the fine, colorful flint. You can Google it for more info..
My uncle grew up in Southern IL, the land of Tecumseh, the great Native American leader. He has a deer vertebrate that he found as a kid (He's pushing 80 now) that has a so called "birds point" stuck in it. He's been showing it off for years telling people that these small heads were used for killing large game.
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Phil,
I realized all of this a few years ago. These small points had two main advantages:
First, the smaller cross-section meant less friction and thus more penetration.
Secondly, before horses everything had to be carries on a person's back or possibly a dog. Thus, only a certain amount of rock could be carried and thus these small points maximized the amount of arrowheads that could be made with that amount of rock.
By the way, I understand that for some surgical procedures, obsidian scalples are preferred over stainless steel ones.
Well. This begs the question, "What were the normal sized arrow heads for?"
Carney asks what are normal sized arrowheads used for. Actually these are normal sized arrowheads, these were typically used for most game animals using a bow and ranging in size from a 1/2 inch or smaller to about 2 inches. Arrowheads 2 inches and bigger were typically used for Atl-alts or (long dart) with a thrower or spear points which were used for even larger game such as Bison, Mammoths and other large game animals long extinct. I have been flint knapping for over 20 years and have had great success with an Osage bow and river cane arrows which have been proven to be as lethal as modern steel or metal arrowheads.
My uncle grew up in Southern IL, the land of Tecumseh, the great Native American leader. He has a deer vertebrate that he found as a kid (He's pushing 80 now) that has a so called "birds point" stuck in it. He's been showing it off for years telling people that these small heads were used for killing large game.
Very interesting. Thanks for that!
Surprising! I've known that modern broadheads with modern bows will easily shoot through a deer at 40 lb. pull; I've done it a few times. I had no idea the "bird" points would do so. Thanks!
That makes the thought of being shot with an arrow much worse for the early settlers who experienced conflicts with the native Americans. That especially since the point could break off somewhere inside of the body and primitive medicine such that it was.
I actually pulled up the same video last week and I thought that it was facinating. No less of an authority than Howard Hill, who was an amazing tournament archer and hunter claimed that a 40 lb longbow could kill any deer in North America including Moose and Elk. He was an advocate of heavy arrows though to get the most momentum and penetration.
I have long suspected these were big game points. I can't imagine the ancients getting many birds with a bow. Some sort of trap would be much better for birds. I've seen indian bows and arrows in museums with the small points.
Guess I'm guilty of being overpowered for my elk hunting, but then Arizona sets limits on the bow power and broadhead size, so I guess I'll just have to go along with the game and fish politicians.
I've often wondered, what did they use to make arrowheads if there wasn't any flint around? Did they use bone or parts of sea shells? Is there another kind of stone that they could have used?
wow
Phil please allow me my dumb question of the month. Is it legal to hunt with a primitive point? I know they are as sharp as the dickens, but fragile.
As a side note. My wifes Grand Father used a glass shard to fashion all his wooden wine making tools. Metal might contaminate the product. There were other superstitions IE no women were allowed near the fermentation process. Only my wife as a small child.
I have seen arrowheads made out of obsidian, bone and even saw some made out of the bottom of a very, thick, glass jar. Aboriginal tribes in Florida used alligator gar scales for arrowheads.The bone arrows that I have seen were suprisingly sharp and it makes sense since bone knives have been used for quite sometime. Regulations on using primitive heads vary from state to state so you would have to look up the regs from your state DNR.
Woodpecker - Native Americans used whatever they had and they also traded with other groups and sometimes obtained the point making materials that way.
Carl Huber - I think Longhunter is right about point regulations varying from state to state.
Years ago I met a Blackfoot who knapped obsidian points just as his tribe used for centuries to kill bison. The finished points were about as big as his thumbnail. Bison were shot point blank off horseback or, before 1730, after driven over a cliff. The idea was to drive the arrow through both lungs and get the hell away. "Put that through his chest and it's like letting the air out of a balloon" he said.
Birds such as turkeys, prarie chickens, pheasants, etc. if on the ground were shot with an arrow with an arrow head. Birds in flight were also shot with arrows the difference was that the arrows instead of having an arrowhead attached to the shaft had a woven 5 to 8 inch flat like mat woven out of vines. it was big enough so when it hit the bird in flight it usually broke a wing or neck bringing the bitd down. This was a very efficent way of hunting birds. It is hard to describe exactly what this looked like. But with a little reasearch you can see exactly what i am talking about.
Near Newark OH is a place called Flint Ridge that has been called the "Great Indian Quarry of Ohio." Prehistoric people came from many areas to get the fine, colorful flint. You can Google it for more info..
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