Please Sign In

Please enter a valid username and password
  • Log in with Facebook
» Not a member? Take a moment to register
» Forgot Username or Password

Why Register?
Signing up could earn you gear (click here to learn how)! It also keeps offensive content off our site.

Taking Hail Mary Shots

Recent Comments

Categories

Recent Posts

Archives

Syndicate

Google Reader or Homepage
Add to My Yahoo!
Add to My AOL

The Gun Nuts
in your Inbox

Enter your email address to get our new post everyday.

May 15, 2013

Taking Hail Mary Shots

By David E. Petzal

Whilst in Kansas, I took a Hail Mary shot—I think the sixth of my career—at just a hell of a whitetail. If you’re not familiar with the term, Hail Mary refers to a shot at a distance in which prayer is required. A friend and I were sitting in a blind with about 15 minutes of shooting light left when we saw a really sensational buck 500 yards-plus away, up on a ridge. There was no chance he was going to feed within shooting range (300 yards and change) before the light ran out, so we decided we’d best try and cover the 200 yards on foot, and fast.

Up the ridge we walked, and when we were what appeared to be 300 yards away, but turned out to be 380, the deer saw us and got ready to sprint. There was no time to do anything but shoot, which I had to do offhand. I missed. The bullet, as nearly as I can calculate, went under him because I misjudged the distance. If I had held on the very top of his back I might have had him.

We checked and there was no fur, no blood, no sign that he had been hit. There was no sound of the bullet striking, which is unmistakable. If we had not been standing in the open, and he had been farther away, say, 450 yards, I might have gotten several more shots, because at those distances, animals don’t associate the sound of the gunshot with the crack of the bullet passing by, or the bullet strike in the dirt.

If I’d gotten him, it would have been a Shot for All Time, and I would have been a hero in my own mind. As it is, I get to eat my own liver and wish I’d judged the distance better. As a rule I stay away from Hail Marys because there’s always the chance you’ll gutshoot an animal, but in this case, I think it was justified, and if I had the chance I’d try it again. Holding, of course, a lot higher.

Comments (128)

Top Rated
All Comments
from deadeyedick wrote 48 weeks 14 hours ago

I would have just let that buck walk away. I cant believe that you, David petzel would try such a risky shot, just too many things that could go wrong the least of which is that you missed

+12 Good Comment? | | Report
from Grnmtnboy wrote 48 weeks 14 hours ago

That's just irresponsible and not something you should be crowing about.

+8 Good Comment? | | Report
from 99explorer wrote 48 weeks 14 hours ago

A very damaging admission, Dave.
The last time I took a shot like that, I was about eighteen years old, and very excited just to see a buck.

+6 Good Comment? | | Report
from peppeli wrote 48 weeks 14 hours ago

Dave, I am with you. I bow hunt and slug hunt. I have not and will not take any Hail Mary's with the bow, but with the shotgun on the other hand: I haven't but would if a situation arrises.

-1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Tom-Tom wrote 48 weeks 14 hours ago

At ease, people. If anyone can quote chapter and verse from the Book of Balistics, it would most likely be DEP. You need to know the drop at distances past where you have determined the "zero" to be along with the distance to your target. As much as DEP practices, and not just shoots, such an attempt as described is hardly a "Hail Mary" in my book as the deer was stationary. As for us average shooters, Dirty Harry once said, "A man has to know his limitations".

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from robcaron wrote 48 weeks 13 hours ago

A Hail Mary shot is by definition an unethical shot for any hunter to take and to see a Field and Stream staff member posting about taking one himself is shocking. An ethical hunter should make every effort to only take shots that he knows have a high likelihood in resulting in a quick and clean kill. A Hail Mary shot is based on the premise that the round will strike somewhere on the intended target; if not outright killing the animal, it will allow for subsequent "kill shots." There is no situation in which taking a Hail Mary shot can be considered right or ethical when the end game of this sport that we love is the clean and ethical harvesting of wild animals. When in doubt, put yourself in the place of the animal that you are intending to shoot; would you want some jack-hole taking pot shots at you or would you prefer a well aimed and practiced shot placed where it belongs?

+9 Good Comment? | | Report
from Bryan01 wrote 48 weeks 13 hours ago

If the goal was to make a blog post that will generate comments, I think you're going to succeed. With regard to the substance of the comment, if it truly was a Hail Mary shot, I can only see such shots being justified if you are in a survival situation.

+5 Good Comment? | | Report
from HogBlog wrote 48 weeks 13 hours ago

I smell troll bait.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ontario Honker ... wrote 48 weeks 13 hours ago

A Hail Mary shot is ill-advised at any time. But taking one at that time of day is really poor judgment in my opinion. Too easy to lose a crippled animal if it's dinged at dusk. Taking a Hail Mary shot at dawn is only slightly more acceptable.

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from Longhunter wrote 48 weeks 12 hours ago

Dave, while I have admired your writings for years and I appreciate your candor about the hail mary shot I have to admit that I am suprised. If the animal had been gut shot at that range it would have been even more difficult to find than it would at a shorter distance. While I do respect your honesty I think that taking that kind of risk was just well, risky and the animals that we hunt deserve better.

+9 Good Comment? | | Report
from Adron Beene wrote 48 weeks 11 hours ago

Go take a long range shooting course. If you don't like dealing with MOAs Mils and turrets, Thompson Long Range has a very nice system that takes the complexity out of it. Long range shooting shouldn't be guess work, its a science, learn it and expand your capabilities. At a minimum, get a ballistic reticle and learn to use it.

-2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Safado wrote 48 weeks 11 hours ago

I think once again Dave is stirring the pot and there will be moaning,groaning, proclamations to the Gods, hair pulling and teeth gnashing as a result. I appreciate his candor but really all he admitted to is missing a shot! As we all know, he prepares by practicing position shooting, he attempted to get closer got busted had the range wrong, did not want to hold out of the hair and took a shot but missed. I'm not going to say the shot was unethical however if the deer had been wounded and they did not do everything possible to find the wounded animal that would have been unethical.

-1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Matthew Matzek wrote 48 weeks 10 hours ago

I'm young and dumb and inexperienced and a greenhorn and a tenderfoot and unwisend and all that other stuff, and I would not have even considered such a shot. You don't throw hail mary bullets. Footballs don't kill people. Bullets shot from guns do

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from peppeli wrote 48 weeks 10 hours ago

Definitely trolling.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from buckstopper wrote 48 weeks 10 hours ago

Egads, I think an IRS audit is in order!

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Tim Platt wrote 48 weeks 10 hours ago

I don't think it was a bad idea to shoot. I have shot 5 or 6 deer that were running wide open and never lost one. I have only missed one. Fact is a lot of deer get gut shot from 25 yards, I have seen it happen. I think you owe it to the deer to make every effort to find it if you wound it, but if you have a problem with people taking shots from 380 yards with what I assume was a .338 then you should logically think bow hunting should be outlawed. Half the deer I have seen hit with an arrow were never found. I quit hunting with a bow because of this.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from tom donohue wrote 48 weeks 10 hours ago

P-U!

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from twoforks wrote 48 weeks 10 hours ago

Well, we all make mistakes regardless of our age, experience, and what other people think of us. But then to tell us about it and let us tear DP apart, that tells me what DP is really like. From reading this it tells me that he is an honest and open hunter, not afraid to tell us like it is.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Drew McClure wrote 48 weeks 9 hours ago

You could have chosen to not share this story, and I have heard a lot of stories about hunters buying entire new shooting season because they missed the big un, with 12 months to regroup I would do a little more free hand shooting. When I first began participating in this forum I thought that all these 3/4 inch groups people were talking about were free hand. It only later occurred to me that shooters were bragging about bench rest shooting. From age 5 I was shooting a daisy lever bb gun freehand and at the age 16 I sighted in my 243 and only rarely placed it back on a bench. The only reason I paid money for a new deer gun was that the Marlin 1895 is short and balanced, making it balanced and lovely to shoot freehand, that and mass marketing hypnotized me, and it is bigger than every one else's regular deer hunting rifle in camp, which in a peer group arms race is important, especially since you and your Ol' man have been killing truck loads of deer with a light weight woman's caliber for decades. I like to focus on being sneaky and take advantage of a very long bow season, but on the tail end of my rifle season I am going to take some chances to shoot a pot winning buck unfortunately my Ol' man used net B&C scoring and my broken up buck lost. It's always the big ones that test us the most, cheers to Dave getting his bruiser this year, he is still out there.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Drew McClure wrote 48 weeks 9 hours ago

shooting "systems" not "seasons"

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from jay wrote 48 weeks 9 hours ago

A 300 yard shot is long but not unreasonable. With a good rest its quite makeable. Free hand is certanly a long shot but not sure I would call it a hail mary at a standing target.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from hengst wrote 48 weeks 8 hours ago

Zero a 257 wby at 300, holdover is not an issue out to 400 ish depending on load. The freehand shot on the other hand, no way I would do it (damn sure would miss or hit to the right) I am only good to 225-50ish MOD freehand. Now add a bipod or primos trigger sticks to the equation and that = meat

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Oregon Jim wrote 48 weeks 8 hours ago

I may be criticized for saying this, but I think poorly of anyone that fires a shot at game unless they are certain their shot will hit its mark. With the exception of survival situations, a "maybe I'll get it" shot is something to be scorned.

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ncarl wrote 48 weeks 8 hours ago

Some of you guys need to chill out. If your so discussed by a 300 yard shot by a highly skilled marksman you better not be bow hunting or participate in deer drives. I bow hunt and drive deer so I'm not going to start criticize.

-1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Drew McClure wrote 48 weeks 8 hours ago

and for you folks that want to give Dave a hard time about taking a Hail Mary we can return to redundant fan boy insanity that is..."What is the Best deer/elk caliber/" mania, and I can switch from drinking Belgium beer and start drinking Jim Beam by the glass full and tell you that those of you lucky enough to have owned a pre-64 Winchester model 70 in 30-06 have spent all these years cheating on a good wife, and your not a better hunter, not a more effective hunter, not a more informed rifle snob, you are just a little boy in a man's unfit body hiding in the man cave from your wife, wondering if gadgetry and tactical skill would give you an edge on Davy Crockett, and the and the answer is, HELL NO, and stop staring at your Carlos Hathcock poster, go on a diet and get your rear to the range with ammo you have hoarded, begged for, or borrowed. That is my plan. Cheers.

+6 Good Comment? | | Report
from Tim Platt wrote 48 weeks 8 hours ago

Yeah I was thinking about my younger days when we drove deer and every shot was basically a Hail Mary too. I shoot blackbirds offhand at 50 yards every day, really taking that shot was not anything to be ashamed of.

-1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ncarl wrote 48 weeks 8 hours ago

*criticizing

-2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 48 weeks 8 hours ago

I had taken a HM shot like that as well, it's humbling and teaches a sound lesson to make one a better hunter.
Man, it was one big BUCK I missed, too!

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from O Garcia wrote 48 weeks 7 hours ago

I didn't know Mary's that popular outside of the Catholic fold. OK, kidding, don't flame me.

Hail Mary pass is part of football vocabulary, of course.

If DP hadn't used Hail Mary to describe the shot, would we be so upset?

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from tygh98 wrote 48 weeks 4 hours ago

You all do know the real reason for this post. Petzal is just letting us know he puts his pants on one leg at a time and misses sometimes as well. Of course the only time he misses is on shots that would make most of the commenters on this post wet themselves. Just see above.

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from Safado wrote 48 weeks 4 hours ago

Would I take the shot on the first day of the hunt? Nope.
If I were seeing deer all over the place and believe I'll run into another...nope again.
Last day of the hunt, running out of light, rack like nobody's business, closed the distance from close to 500 yards, think it's around 300 yards out, uh oh you're busted and he's headed for the next county, can't get a steady rest...remember the time you made a longer shot on a coyote....would I take the shot, especially if I didn't know it was 380...maybe.
Shooting off hand after running and jacked up on adrenalin makes the shot difficult and might discourage me also but the effort may encourage me to take the shot. If I were shooting one of the flat shooting western deer rifles that should have won the recent March Madness like a .257 Weatherby or .264 Win Mag the chances of me taking that shot increase because your point blank range would be near 400 yards.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from fng wrote 48 weeks 1 hour ago

I've had to take hail Mary's twice. The season before last, last day, on two deer, in the evening as they raced up a hill 250 yards away. I picked the right deer, put my crosshairs on her and pulled the trigger. Guess what? out of three shots, one spun her and slowed her down, and the next 6.5 140 grain Accubond hit her spine 4 inches below the ear.

Last year, I nailed a buck at 360, as he stopped in a clearing on a hill. We later ranged his footprints with my rangefinder, 365 yards. He was heavily quartering towards, I fired offhand, the same bullet and load struck higher in his shoulder and went out his abdomen, he was piled up 25 yards away.

Do I always take the shot? Nope. I'm not as cavalier as my Dad, who has no problem taking a moose at 800 yards with a .30-30 (which he has, much to my chagrin). But if it means being skunked or meat on the table, this is why I practice. We don't only take the shots we're 10000% sure we'll make, and preaching on the internet doesn't make you any less a lier if a 200 inch buck stepped out 400 away, last day of the season.

I'd just make sure to hit him, that's all. :)

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from z41 wrote 48 weeks 45 min ago

How would this blog have sounded if Dave had not used the term Hail Mary and left off the last paragraph? It would be altogether different sounding. I was in KS misjudged the range and missed a big buck in the last light of the day.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from SL wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I think what DP is admitting to is what a good many hunters would never admit to, yet they have done the very same thing, most likely more than once. I honestly think over 90% of the hunters out there would have been firing at that big buck just like DP did. Hunters will talk all this ethics BS, but when the moment of truth presents itself, all of those high morals go flying out the barrel along with the bullet that has been sent on its way. Those who would say that this isn't true are full of it in my opinion. I have been around hunting long enough to know that most hunters are NOT of these high morals they claim to hold.

By the way, here are the words to the complete "Hail Mary" prayer, for the next time you non-Catholic fellas go for it. LOL

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from fordman155 wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

Dave--the situation you described sounds much like one I faced the past rifle season, but the critical difference was I knew the range to the buck thanks to a laser rangefinder. I had a 300 yard zero on my big 300 and knew the holdover points on my scope were accurate enough for hunting purposes. I took the shot from a fairly stable position and the animal fell after about 5-10 drunken steps.
In 2011 missed a buck at 400yds from a nearly perfect shooting position. I knew the range to the single yard. Visibility was perfect and there was no mirage I could see. There were no crosswinds or things irritating me. I had good velocity readings on the 100gn Barnes TSX bullets in the magazine. I undershot the buck and he was gone.
I know there are hunters who believe a 300+ yard shot is not a good one for ethical reasons, bullet performance questions or the ability for great shot placement. It might not be a good shot for a hunter based on how much they have practiced at that particular range or a longer one. If the conditions are not in your favor, it comes down to how much training you've put yourself through.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Steve in Virginia wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I was about to pile on, but everyone else has put forward the proper criticisms for Dave's piece. Instead, I'll tip my hat to everyone on the post who spoke up and properly took him to task for advertising a shot that no one should take.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from jhjimbo wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I would have told that story under a different pen name.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

This post has brought out the ridiculous and absurd from all the range monkeys! LMAO!

Good on, Dave!

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from 357 wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I train with my guns @ 300 yards, but hunting out west will do that to ya.

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from 268bull wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

It's pretty much all been said, but, hey, why not. It appears you had a senior moment, both in taking the shot and in admitting it. In retrospect, " it was justifiable ". Really! You're preachin' to the choir on this one Petzal.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from huntenthusiest wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

"If", a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass when he hops.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from GregMc wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

Most hunters have taken an ill-advised shot. The difference here is that Dave says he'd do it again. That's disappointing.

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from benjaminwc wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

Being somewhat a spiritual person, I do find myself throwing a few "Hail Mary" shots, others times it seems all I can muster is a "Allahu Akbar," but every now and then I get a little help and pull off a "Hallelujah Chorus".

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Roderick K. Purcell wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I've taken Hail Mary shots — but only at animals that are already wounded. A shot "just for the hell of it" at a healthy animal is indefensible and poor sportsmanship. Doesn't matter if it's a Booner or forkhorn, or how late in the hunt it is. The odds are too high of hitting the paunch or breaking a leg. I'd rather eat a tag than wound a buck. DEP shows a disappointing lack of respect.

+6 Good Comment? | | Report
from TM wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I remember every duck that I've crippled and been unable to recover. After doing it several times per season in my hunting days, I've become a lot more conservative about the shots I take. On occasion, a bird still will get away, but it now is exceedingly rare.

I've never taken a long shot at a deer. If you want to brag about long shots, shoot targets or terrorists. When it comes to wildlife, long shots are not impressive. Clean shots are impressive.

Deer that are "just out of reach" are what makes hunting a sport. You may go home empty handed, but that's why it's called "hunting" and not "killing". Very few modern hunters need the meat (i.e., would not survive the winter without it).

Long shots also are dangerous. Some yahoo came within 10 yards of killing my family member when he whizzed a hail mary past a buck he had no business shooting at that proceeded to travel over a ridge line.

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from Proverbs wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I'm guessing there is a F&S office pool going on with this blog, which must be the product of some off-hand bet.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Dougfir wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

Glad to see a lot of other hunters taking DP to task here. David, what exactly made this shot justified? The size of the deer's rack?
I know, never say never, but I've NEVER met someone who could shoot 300 yards off-hand with enough accuracy and consistency for hunting. And, I don't believe that DP is one of these people because he called it a "hail mary."
What's worse is that this is not the first time I've seen DP endorse the hail mary in Field and Stream. David, you're a great writer, but I wish you'd set a better example in this regard. You hurt us all when you write about stuff like this.

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from 99explorer wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I might have taken that shot from the prone position but offhand, never! I could hit a pie plate at that range maybe one time in ten or twenty. Those are gambling odds.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Constant Gardener wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

May Fools Day?

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from wild rice wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

Did anyone hear the echo of a recent quote..."Just another bitter citizen, clinging to his guns and religion"? ;^)

-1 Good Comment? | | Report
from ishawooa wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

Years ago I made a Hail Mary at a really nice 4 x 4 whitetail. It was roughly a 350 yard shot with a .25-'06 and I think 117gr Sierra at about 3000 fps. It was a good hit in the boiler room and the deer dropped immediately. When I walked up to it I noticed that it was diseased, some kind of severe skin problem, hairless spots on its body with oozing sores. I wished I had not made that shot.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from elmer f. wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

there are on occasion, a shot, even though we know better, we just can not pass up. for most of us, they are rare (thankfully), and really are the last resort at an animal we just can not let slip by without trying. those animal are few and far between, which is the reason we can not just let it walk. it's probably a good thing that the woods, fields, and canyons are not filled with 10-16 point monsters. if they were, there would probably be a much higher incidence of hunting accidents. unfortunately, not everyone is as careful about what is beyond the critter in question. my dad told me the first year we went hunting, at the ripe old age of 12. he said, "the biggest rack in the world, can not be seen from a jail cell". and then he said something that almost made me forget that. he said, "if you shoot someone, you WILL, have to go tell his wife, mother, or father that you were responsible". what he was telling me, in no uncertain terms, was that this was no game. there were no second chances. bullets, are designed to do one thing, kill. and they do that job exceedingly well. of course, i know now that i would not have had to do that. but it got the point home, hard. sorry Mr. Petzal, i by no means want to take away from your story. but the younger "kids" need a reminder that it is essential to know what is beyond that monster buck.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from elmer f. wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

there are on occasion, a shot, even though we know better, we just can not pass up. for most of us, they are rare (thankfully), and really are the last resort at an animal we just can not let slip by without trying. those animal are few and far between, which is the reason we can not just let it walk. it's probably a good thing that the woods, fields, and canyons are not filled with 10-16 point monsters. if they were, there would probably be a much higher incidence of hunting accidents. unfortunately, not everyone is as careful about what is beyond the critter in question. my dad told me the first year we went hunting, at the ripe old age of 12. he said, "the biggest rack in the world, can not be seen from a jail cell". and then he said something that almost made me forget that. he said, "if you shoot someone, you WILL, have to go tell his wife, mother, or father that you were responsible". what he was telling me, in no uncertain terms, was that this was no game. there were no second chances. bullets, are designed to do one thing, kill. and they do that job exceedingly well. of course, i know now that i would not have had to do that. but it got the point home, hard. sorry Mr. Petzal, i by no means want to take away from your story. but the younger "kids" need a reminder that it is essential to know what is beyond that monster buck.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from rock rat wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

Dave this is just one example of your honesty in writing that serves you so well. Anyone can tell the tale of the shot not taken, "oh well, good day out amongst friends anyway" you tell the true story of kinda pushing the edges of ethical shots. You always attempt to tell a situation in the truest way that it appears to your eye. A long distance off hand shooter you might not be, a terrific writer you are.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Del in KS wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I think the fellows that would pass on that shot could hold a convention in a phone booth. Each person knows how capable he is and needs to use good judgement based on that knowledge and the situation. On a calm day with my 300 Wby or 25-06 I would have squeezed one off provided the cross hairs are steady.

SFC Petzal you may recall from your Army days when soldiers shoot for qualification there are no off hand shots beyond 200 yd. One day the practice range tower operator screwed up and raised the 300 yd targets with 100 soldiers in a standing OH position. Moi and one other soldier knocked 'em down. No idea why but my scores are always better OH than kneeling. Another chap beat me by 1 for best in the Plt on record fire. That was Army Basic at Ft. Jackson, SC in 1970. Yes, I have made several 1 shot kills off hand out to 355 lazered yds. Cannot recall any misses. That was under very good conditions with a flat shooting bolt gun with a good scope. Guys if you can't do it on the range don't try it in the field.

Cheers,

Del,
SFC retired

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Bioguy01 wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I have no idea why that posted 5 times because I only clicked the button once. Oh well :-)

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from chaslee wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

Guys, I may be a nimrod (and I'm sure you'll let me know) but some times when you take a shot you just know it's going to be a clean miss or paydirt. I haven't taken many and all were clean misses except 1.(I spent hours looking to be sure) and the one was 385 yards on an elk that dropped in its tracks with a 300 win mag. Hail Mary's for me are 400 yards or less even with a gun that will do much better.

How many shots at grouse, ducks, woodcock or goose are hail mary's?? I'll have a dirty martini with dave.

-1 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

Hunters who claim to never have missed a "too long" shot are like the two kinds of people who pee in the shower... those that will admit it and the liars.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from mike0714 wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

hold on a minute everyone here has taken a few hail marry shots in their lifetime. If you honestly have not then you should hunt more or it some times it is good to only be able to see 50 yards where you hunt.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Safado wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

'Guys if you can't do it on the range don't try it in the field.'
Thank you Del in KS

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from MReeder wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I'm not going to criticize DEP or any other experienced hunter for taking an occasional hail Mary -- and six over the span of his whole career is pretty occasional -- at a truly outstanding trophy after he's done everything he can to cut the distance. As long as you know your own capabilities, know your rifle and load, and have a fair degree of confidence that you can make the shot, take it. If you're strictly hunting for meat then it makes no sense to take a chance. I have waited for does standing 30 yards away to move their offleg to the right angle so that I didn't accidentally waste any meat on the far side. But I have also done plenty of deer hunting in open canyon country where refusing to take a fairly distant or running shot means you might as well have stayed home. That's one reason I always used my .270 or '06 on those hunts, rather than the .243 I'm happy to use out of a blind or on doe only hunts. Caliber is no substitute for putting a bullet in the right place, but it does give you a little more margin of error. I have hit, if memory serves, exactly two deer and one javelina in the paunch. All three were shot with 130 gr. bullets out of a .270 and were almost instantaneous kills.
While we're at it, I don't understand when it became bad taste to shoot an animal in its bed, as some of the TV shows seem to suggest. I always thought it was pretty darned good woodsmanship to sneak up on an animal in its bed.
All I know is that if anyone's going to read Dave out of the hunting fraternity for taking the shot he took, they're also going to have to postumously scrub the roster of, among others, Jack O'Connor, Warren Page, Elmer Keith, Herb Klein, Roy Weatherby, Elgin Gates, and gawd knows how many more.

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from poetwild wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Since I never miss any game at any distance from any angle using any gun of any caliber under any conditions, I can't appreciate any perspective presented by anyone on this page. Just sayin'...

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Del in KS wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Two years ago I wounded a bull elk that ultimately escaped after much tracking. That was a long shot fired from a rest under ideal conditions. Tracking sign indicated the bad hit was low in the chest rather than dead center due to the bull being about 50 yds farther than thought. A new Leupold rangefinder I was using would not work on the bull but indicated 320 yds on a tree that appeared to be next to said bull. When I got there to check for sign it was clear he was standing well beyond that tree. Leupold sent me a new rangefinder. I was hunting with Wam, Beekeeper and a few other gents. Since then replaced Leupold with top of the line Bushnell rangefinder and switched elk rifles from 338-06 to 300 Roy. The Roy is flatter shooting and likely would have made up for the error if had used it that day. After that bull got away I stopped hunting, figured that was my elk.

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from Steward wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

This wasn't a Hail Mary shot. It was a missed, longish-range shot. Hunting last season, I was working my way across the north side of 90 acres of private land. I was walking through a grassy area with a little bit of brush, with trees on my right. I jumped three deer - does, who paused just a moment, and then ran off, almost directly from me. I was not prepared for them. I did not have time to aim well. If I had fired at them, THAT would have been a hail-mary shot. 20 minutes later, I found that there was another hunter in a treestand, just on the other side of the fence-line. If I had taken that shot at the running deer, he would have been in my line of fire. This is one reason to not take hail-mary shots, and why I am glad I didn't, even though it was the closest thing I had to a good shot last season.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from TED FORD wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Reckon if a Hail Mary shot is one requiring prayer.pretty much all my shots have been Hail Marys

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Rocaphilla wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

I keep telling you guys, Petzal is not a guy you want to be taking advice from. Maybe now you'll listen.

-2 Good Comment? | | Report
from tom warner wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Quite a few holier-than-thou hypocritical comments here.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ontario Honker ... wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Del, I can't hit crap from the kneeling position either. Hate it. Totally unstable way to shoot in my opinion.

I remember one and only one Hail Mary situation with elk and it almost ended very badly. It was about 320 yards downhill with 30-06 180 gr. Fired five rounds before I finally hit it. That should have told me something. Of course, everything was hitting high. In the end I was VERY sorry I hit that elk. Did finally catch up to it and kill it after an exceptional job of tracking all afternoon with no snow and almost no blood. Dropped it on the edge of a precipice at the end of a spruce bog. Two days getting it out with horses. Almost cost me one of my nags and by brother. I carried each quarter in my arms about seventy yards from the gut pile to the horses even though I had brought the packboard along. If I'd slipped and been tied to that meat, my brother would have watched me die in a rockpile at the base of a waterfall two hundred feet below us. I did slip once and slid on my butt in the beargrass about ten yards. When I finally stopped I was on the verge of tossing the meat as I was only about five yards from the edge of the cliff. I was pretty shaky by the time I got back to my brother! That misadventure also cost us both a day of holiday pay at the plant. For just a spike bull. Pffft. We both have a lot of memories to carry with us from that episode ... none of them good. I always say any misadventure is still an adventure ... well, that one was a jackpot! Still, there is no reason to go looking for the kind of misadventure Del had and I nearly had. I generally hunted big game face to face, not mountain top to mountain top. Hence, no need for rangefinders, multiple magnification scopes, or crap shoot shots with fancy flat-shooting guns. I found it much more enjoyable and challenging to track down and shoot a moose or elk in its bed a few yards away as opposed to lobbing something at a speck on the horizon and hoping for the best.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from hengst wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

By any chance does Mr Petzal get a bonus check per response his writings garner? He sure is good at it!

Del touched on it, that is why I use flat shooting rifles (257 and 300 WBY) that are crazy accurate, otherwise I would be spending a bunch more money in the meat dept. at Safeway

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Joe Sixpack wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Sorry but I think DEP is baiting us for some unknown reason.
380 yards is a long shot when calmly taking it from a rest. DEP claims that he attempted it in fading light, after the exertion of climbing a ridge, at an alerted animal, offhand. Bah, humbug.
I just don't think a hunter of Dave's experience would do such a thing.
What gives?

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Retired2hunt wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

This had to be a baited subject. It read to me as if the shot was irresponsible - not only because of being sloppily rushed but also shooting uphill at a silhoutted animal. The bullet could have traveled and killed somebody. Luckily the distance was farther and the bullet would have dropped safely hitting ground.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Retired2hunt wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

And even if it was not an uphill shot it then reads as if it was a shot from atop the ridge which still allows a poor shot to travel beyond the target.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from condoski wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

All rhetoric aside, there is absolutely no good reason to take a shot that is not a sure clean kill. Ever.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

380 yawns?

4 inch group at 200 yards is still MOP at 400.

David, need to do a video for these green horns.

Besides, 380 isn't that far away....

Perhaps ya'll should stand a little closer to the plate or take a 1/2 dose of V-iagra before mouthing off about something you really don't have a clue about.

Let's step back to the 1000 yard line, any takers!

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Del, 300 Roy I'll bet kicks less than my 870 with a
3½", OUCH!

I'll stick to my 338 Win Mag, I know what it will do out yonder!

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Hey Ski, got any idea how many deer have been lost at 50 yards just standing dar?

+5 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Hey Dave, does Sunday Morning Quarterbacks come to mind?

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Hey Dave, does Sunday Morning Quarterbacks come to mind?

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from Nyflyangler wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Whaaa! Whaa! Whaaa! It's the usual caterwauling from the F&S Nancy Boys. I'm so sick and tired all the limp wrists here complaining about hunters taking long shots.

Hunters spend hundred of dollars on rifles and scopes and then refuse to use them to their full capacity. You all remind me of my friend, Jeff and his Porsche. He never drives over the speed limit ever. Hyundai's frequently pass him. People have actually yelled at him at traffic lights for driving a Porsche like an old woman.

Memo to Nancy Boys: They call it hunting because you shoot at tasty animals so that you can eat them. It doesn't matter how far away they are when you do it. If you don't shoot, you're not hunting. Go join the Sierra Club or PETA where you belong.

I suspect all you 'hundred foot hunters' don't actually shoot game. You really just bash tame deer over the head with the butt of your rifle at the petting zoo. Drag them into your never seen a dirt road SUVs and trucks and then speed off while the kiddies look on crying.

-3 Good Comment? | | Report
from Joe Sixpack wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

Clay- if you can rapidly walk 200 yards uphill and then shoot an 8" group offhand at 400 yards,
PLEASE report directly to the U.S. Olympic Shooting Center because they don't have anyone there with your skills.
WHAT A MAN!

-3 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ontario Honker ... wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

Hey, Nyflyangler, you shoot at tasty animals SO YOU CAN KILL THEM HUMANELY AND EAT THEM, NOT BUGGER THEM UP AND/OR WASTE THEM. Understand that in many places in the US, particularly in the early part of the season, if you don't find a dead deer within a few hours it's exceptionally UN-TASTY (as in spoiled!). An elk or moose is maggot food much quicker. I wouldn't pretend to tell you how to strip a hare's nymph to catch a palm-sized brook trout. Perhaps you should take a lesson about big game hunting from a few of the boys on here who have learned them the hard, sad way (because we actually have done some of it, ye mighty Brooklyn raccoon hunter!). Call me a Nancy Boy if you want, but you're really nothing but an armchair astronaut. When you have forty years of hunting under your belt rather than a couple of years reading outdoors magazines in the john, then maybe you can call me a Nancy Boy with a bit of authority.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ontario Honker ... wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

Oh, and does that '53 Chev stock truck with the bull elk in the back look like a squeaky clean SUV? Pffft! I built that rig from the ground up using pieces from the wrecking yard. Not many petting zoos in NW Ontario either. The moose here may have a brain the size of a golf ball but they are also chased night and day by wolves. Consequently they are exceptionally difficult to track. Any noise and they are gone and don't settle down till they get to the next province. But they can be got that way. It takes patience. And a helluva lot of endurance. And knowledge. Things you're not going to find in Brooklyn. Or in magazines.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

Hey Sixpack, know how stupid you really look!

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

Clay,

Whar ya' been?

WAM

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

BEEN BUSY! Dar'Shooter!

Looks like we got a few Green Horns here. LOL!

Remember this one, it sure fits this moment!

@ Clay

Yes, some folks know what is really going on here and others espouse taking the moral high road and in doing so apply flawed logic and stinking thinking.

WAM

Young Guns?

ROFLMAO!

-1 Good Comment? | | Report
from jhjimbo wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

I shot in a antique military rifle competition at my club some time ago and won the match. I was shooting a Argentine Mauser '98 in 7X57. Shooting with my hand loads at 300yds prone. First prize was a book in long range shooting. It can be done under ideal conditions.
In DP's case, closing the distance and then an off hand shot without sticks or a stable rest makes it a low percentage shot. Late in the day and a low percentage shot to me means a pass. The animal deserves better. JMO.

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from micko77 wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

I don't have time, energy or inclination to read more than the first 25-30 of the entries here... getting too much like a Facebook flame session. First, what is a "Hail Mary"? A shot you may or may not connect with, based on experience and some luck. My first deer was such; a 140 lb. doe running full out at 70 yards with a smoothbore 12 ga. Mossberg. Butt, belly, beaqk, BANG! I was more surprised than she when she rolled over herself. Similar episode with a running coyote at 200 yds. with a .357 Mag. revolver. Took 3 shots, but dead dog. Lastly was another doe, running quartering away full out at around 70 yards again but with w .41 Mag revolver; first shot thru the neck. Could I have "called" any of those? Nope. Did I have critters down? Yep. Have I ever missed... and have YOU? I have, and if anyone else has it sorta blows that whole "Hail Mary" thing in the trash. Think how many ducks/doves/pheasants etc. have gotten away with a pellet or 3 in the guts; are their lives less special than that trophy buck? We do the best we can in the situation at hand, and have ourselves, the law, and whatever you see as a Higher Power to answer to.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

jhjimbo those Ol'Mauser are more accurate and dependable than most off the shelf smoke poles.

As for, "It can be done under ideal conditions"?

I have to disagree with you dar.

Be at your best even when losing is eminent for when the storm rolls in, remember what you have previously learned. While the Masters complain, kick mud and curse the storm, this is the time to shine and love the storm because this my friend is Gods gift to you, it separates the real winners and losers!
- My lessons in life
Clay Cooper USAF Ret

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from 1uglymutha wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

I very much enjoy the hand wringing and gnashing of teeth and even the obvious alcohol induced rantings of some of those who reply here. I do have one question dave: why in thunder didn't either you or your friend have a reliable rangefinder handy? it would only take a second for your partner to give you an reasonably accurate reading. I take a rangefinder every time I go to the woods (or desert as the case may be). I first guess the distance, then check against the rangefinder reading. sometimes i'm off by scary amounts. by the way, I practice often at extended ranges and would feel far more comfortable taking a 500 yard shot prone than any offhand shot past 150 or so. but that's just me. to each his own. happy shooting.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Gunny Bob wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

I am unsure as to which is more amusing and predictable: the whining herein or the whining of 5 billion mosquitoes along the Kazan within inches of my face.

The original post did serve a purpose, though: we now know, beyond any doubt, who thinks they are God's gift to rifles and hunting via their self-righteous indignation and pedantic retorts, and who knows better. DEP lured the former into the opening and allowed them to shoot their respective mouths off while shooting themselves in the foot simultaneously.

10X.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from 99explorer wrote 47 weeks 3 days ago

I'm afraid I can't tell, beyond any doubt, just who thinks they are God's gift to rifles and hunting, whether it be the critics of DEP's ill-advised shot or his fawning supporters.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ontario Honker ... wrote 47 weeks 3 days ago

Yes, 99, it's a topic folks obviously are very passionate about. Some for good reasons ... some for not so good reasons.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from O Garcia wrote 47 weeks 3 days ago

Now that I've some time to think about it (hallelujah), we have been trolled successfully by Dave, who will switch to Fishing Editor after this.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from 99explorer wrote 47 weeks 2 days ago

I think the trouble with this story is that the narrator comes across as an unrepentent sinner, hopeful of absolution without asking for it.
Apparently he has come to the right place with some of us.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 2 days ago

Gunny Bob dead on!

O' The good'ol days, we didn't have range finders yet alone gps!

Coming soon, quarterbacks and baseball players can't throw without the aid of electronics!

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 2 days ago

Gunny, Ill take your Mosquitoes in Kazan area over the Alaskan Noseeums any day! They make field dressing Caribou and Moose pure hell! Back in 89, one of the hunters near Chicken AK had a severe allergic reaction to the nasty critter. They rushed him into Chicken and airlifted him to one of the Army Posts

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 2 days ago

Just think, what if DEP did make the shot right through the boiler room and dropped it right in its tracks? Be a different tune!

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from buckhunter wrote 47 weeks 1 day ago

Pray for us sinners.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from hutter wrote 47 weeks 1 day ago

I took a Hail Mary shot once, I think it was Bourbon and a shot of Holy Water! Have another Dave!

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Amflyer wrote 47 weeks 1 day ago

"Whaaa! Whaa! Whaaa! It's the usual caterwauling from the F&S Nancy Boys. I'm so sick and tired all the limp wrists here complaining about hunters taking long shots.

Hunters spend hundred of dollars on rifles and scopes and then refuse to use them to their full capacity. You all remind me of my friend, Jeff and his Porsche. He never drives over the speed limit ever. Hyundai's frequently pass him. People have actually yelled at him at traffic lights for driving a Porsche like an old woman.

Memo to Nancy Boys: They call it hunting because you shoot at tasty animals so that you can eat them. It doesn't matter how far away they are when you do it. If you don't shoot, you're not hunting. Go join the Sierra Club or PETA where you belong.

I suspect all you 'hundred foot hunters' don't actually shoot game. You really just bash tame deer over the head with the butt of your rifle at the petting zoo. Drag them into your never seen a dirt road SUVs and trucks and then speed off while the kiddies look on crying."

New York:

You come off sounding like a opinionated fartknocker. Is that what you were going for?

Isn't an angler, like, a fisherman or something?

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 1 day ago

I remember back in April 86 on one Saturday morning while conducting tryouts For the Holloman AFB High Power Team. All these Fellas trying out standing dar with there 22's watching Sandra Warman shoot 50 Meters saying how they can out shoot this teenager. Did I mention She made the tryouts for the Olympic in June 86 and come to find out was Nationally known in Oct 95? I've learned along time ago, be careful who you chastise. O'by the way, Sandra's group was the size of a quarter at 50 Meters with the wind blowing. For the fellas, we counted the hits on paper and the only one who made the cut had zero hits. We were not looking for score, we were looking for ability to listen and good sportsmen conduct.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 1 day ago

From Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read,

I try to keep my "bones to pick" at a minimum these days. I have nothing to prove since I know that I can out-cuss, out-shoot, and out-spit most of the whippersnappers on here! LOL! (At least in my mind, anyway) Remember, don't mess with an old man, he'll just shoot you.
Best regards,
WAM

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 47 weeks 1 day ago

Clay,
LMAO!

Buckhunter,
You crack me up, sir!

Cheers, WAM

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Longhunter wrote 47 weeks 1 day ago

To the old fools on this site. Really no ones cares about what you did in 1950 and BTW this site is for anyone who wishes to chime in so patting each other on the *** is getting pretty old but I would expect no less from your ilk. This "Weelll, thems are just greenhorns" type of logic just baffles me. Why just because they did not agree with your opinion? Are you really so arrogant that no other opinions matter besides the ones of you and the rest of the blog trolls? Read this: I have never attempted a hail mary ever and have never urinated in the shower neither. Lots of things can go wrong when you shoot way out there. Are you trying to tell me that the end justifies the means? Lets say you wound it. Would you feel even the lesat bit badly about it or find some way to justify it? That is really not showing any ethical concern for the animals that we hunt. Before any of you old fools say "By golly another Greenhorn har har" I am a few years past the half century mark so instead of acting like a bunch of drunken frat boys maybe you just need to grow up.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 47 weeks 1 day ago

Longhunter, we suffer jackasses like you just like you have to suffer jackasses like us. Get a grip, that is if it is long enough....

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from nc30-06 wrote 47 weeks 23 hours ago

When I was about 12 years old, I had my uncles' .22 short rifle out on a "hunt". I saw a couple of does cross a clearing and guessed there would be a buck following. There was. I took a guess at the angle to compensate for the distance, probably 300-400 yards and cracked one off. Of course, it didn't faze him much less hit him. If it had, he would probably thought it was a mosquito.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Drew McClure wrote 47 weeks 20 hours ago

I'm not sure if it's a mistake, but I received a custom ballistic turret today for my 243 on 80 grain GMX's, past 300 yards it says "j-e-r-k +1,+2."I would prefer it say "No,Hell No, and F### No" While your out there re-zeroing your moral compasses, I salute you all. Cheers, may you shoot deer better than you do S####.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

WAM & D'Gang, stay tuned, more to come or should I say "INCOMING!"! ROFLMAO!

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

Clay,

Right 100, Add 50, Fire For Effect! LOL

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from timvance8 wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

Hail Mary I...
Didn't check the zero on my rifle before the season.
Jerk the trigger because I'm afraid of recoil.
Am taking a shot farther than I have ever practiced regularly from a position that I haven't practiced regularly.
Don't know how to control my buck fever and thus can't control my rifle.
Am shooting at an animal while not being in my best state of mind. This is caused by staying up too late, getting up too early, over-caffination, under-caffination, dehydration, exhaustion, testosterone, adrenaline, or unique blend including any of these.

We have all sinned. (Romans 3:23)

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

My favorite story involves a buck sgt (we will call him Longhunter) from the 1/509 at an air show. The guy was carrying on about how many jumps he had. There was an old man wearing a ball cap with the AA (82nd) emblem on it. The sgt asked the old man, "Hey oldtimer, I got 110 jumps, how many you got?" The old man replied, "Four. Sicily Salerno, Normandy and Holland."- Roy Roane

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

A giant of a man (Longhunter) walks into a bar in Georgia. After several beers, he notices a small, older gentleman sitting a stool or so down. Thinking a show of strength will establish his dominance in the establishment, he strikes the older gentleman with the back of his hand, knocking him of his stool and across the floor. The big man laughs heartily and reaches for his beer when the world suddenly goes black.
Regaining conscienceness, he finds himself lying on a gurney, in considerable pain and being tended by several EMT's and medics.
He sees the familiar face of the bartender and asks, "What was that guy's name?"
The bartender shrugged and said, "I don't know what his name is but I do know he a retired Airborne Ranger."
The big man winces in pain and mutters, "DAMN! Why don't they earmark the little bastards?"
- from FirstBubba

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

WAM, for 7.62 NATO M118 it was always 30 1/2 to 32 clicks up (depending on light and elevation) and generally 6 or 7 clicks for wind for 1000 meters. Longhunter needs a bit more seasoning ya'think! LOL!

Interesting to point out, for 1000 meters, both my M1A and M1 Garand uses the same sight adjustments. That M118 ammo is a bit hot I'd say!

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

timvance8, stick around, as Uncle Ted would say, "I like your style!"

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

AJMcClure you reload for that 243 ?

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

Clay,
No additional seasoning required, just get the fork....

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

Actually, I was thinking of a deployment....
Some God forsaken place we both have been....

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Drew McClure wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

@Clay, I'd love to, I don't have the time and don't shoot that often, fishing season never ends, I'm breaking in a new chainsaw, and my boy wants to go to wild river country every weekend he can.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

AJ, ya'know how to hit below the belt!

Salmon are starting to run in Alaska and I wish I wuz dar!

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from O Garcia wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

I'm sure 99% of shooters, including gunwriters, 99% of the time, think they would make the shot.

I still believe if DP had not used the Hail Mary phrase, none of the heated replies would result.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

Petzal is just jerking chains to see how many of you he can get a rise out of!!!

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 46 weeks 5 days ago

I wonder if Neal Boortz is is twin Brother....?

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Safado wrote 46 weeks 5 days ago

I recently read something that Dave quoted a while ago about elk hunting. I'm paraphrasing but it went something like this:
The shot will come, on the last day of the hunt with five minutes of light left. It will be a very difficult shot...and you will take it.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 46 weeks 5 days ago

...and if it is me, it will be made!

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from goodolddave wrote 46 weeks 5 days ago

To me, a Sportsman/Sportswoman should be ethical, moral, principled.
I believe the term hail mary puts the statement in a UN-defensible context. It implies a maybe I will be successful and maybe I will not connotation. Hunters with ethics and morals should want a clean kill, not a I hope I can make a kill. The difference come's with skill and experience. If you are practiced and confident then it would not be a hail mary at any range. Shoot to your abilities. Just because you can buy a Porshe doesn't mean you have the skill or right to attempt to drive it at it's limits. Enjoy it to your own limits! Any dumbass can get offroad and floor it, but this doesn't make him a responsible off roader. It doesn't matter how long you have been hunting, how many bugs you have eaten, gouged out of your eyes and ears and how far afield you have gone. Whether your hunting, fishing, camping, hiking or off roading, have you learned your craft? So many don't care enough to improve and hone their skills. Whether it's skill with a gun, bow or rod and reel, from learning your quarry's habits to being able to back your boat up to the dock. Reminds me of a story... Two women were applying for the same promotion in a company. One woman only had a year on the job, the other woman had ten years on the job. The woman with one year gained the promotion. The woman who didn't get the promotion complained to the boss claiming that she, herself deserved the promotion because she had 10 years experience compared with the other woman's 1 year experience. The boss correcter her saying, you don't have 10 years experience, you have 1 years experience 10 times. So many hunters have spent many years in the field but have less skill and knowledge than many younger less "seasoned" hunters. I know so many hunters/fisherman/off roader's/ outdoorsman etc. that think it is their right to do anything they want in the wilderness without regard for responsible attitudes concerning what they are doing. There isn't the space here for examples but you know who you are and what I mean. In a survival situation, maybe anything goes, but otherwise one only takes a shot they are confident in making. If despite this the outcome is affected by an unseen element like a twig that veered the bullet, then the additional skills come into play in proceeding to a successful outcome. There is more to being a hunter/outdoorsman than owning guns and having a hunting license and an ORV tag.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 46 weeks 5 days ago

The bottom line is that a man's gots to know his limitations...

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Longhunter wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

Well, I see that Clay and Waa, I mean Wam are continuing their love fest. Maybe, you two should just get a room? More seasoning you say? I would say that I am much more seasoned than you two pretenders. BTW Clay about your insult, the 5th graders called and they want it back but then again maybe you can tell the teacher yourself. WAM your interest in my manhood is a bit unsettling. Maybe, you should stick to things that you know about like ironing your skirts, planting daisies, girly things like that. You two remind me of the loud mouths that I used to throw out of bars. You talk a big game but when the fight starts you're the first ones out the door.

-1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ontario Honker ... wrote 44 weeks 1 day ago

Longhunter, I have been hunting longer than you and I have only take a couple of very foolish hail mary shots. Did wound an elk and very, very lucky to track it down and eventually kill it. Totally stupid and it wound up costing me big time. I don't believe in the mountain top to mountain top kind of hunting either. So don't lump me in with the old frat boys on this one. However, everyone is entitled to their opinion, even those whose hunting ethics, such that they are, might not be the same as ours.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report

Post a Comment

from deadeyedick wrote 48 weeks 14 hours ago

I would have just let that buck walk away. I cant believe that you, David petzel would try such a risky shot, just too many things that could go wrong the least of which is that you missed

+12 Good Comment? | | Report
from robcaron wrote 48 weeks 13 hours ago

A Hail Mary shot is by definition an unethical shot for any hunter to take and to see a Field and Stream staff member posting about taking one himself is shocking. An ethical hunter should make every effort to only take shots that he knows have a high likelihood in resulting in a quick and clean kill. A Hail Mary shot is based on the premise that the round will strike somewhere on the intended target; if not outright killing the animal, it will allow for subsequent "kill shots." There is no situation in which taking a Hail Mary shot can be considered right or ethical when the end game of this sport that we love is the clean and ethical harvesting of wild animals. When in doubt, put yourself in the place of the animal that you are intending to shoot; would you want some jack-hole taking pot shots at you or would you prefer a well aimed and practiced shot placed where it belongs?

+9 Good Comment? | | Report
from Longhunter wrote 48 weeks 12 hours ago

Dave, while I have admired your writings for years and I appreciate your candor about the hail mary shot I have to admit that I am suprised. If the animal had been gut shot at that range it would have been even more difficult to find than it would at a shorter distance. While I do respect your honesty I think that taking that kind of risk was just well, risky and the animals that we hunt deserve better.

+9 Good Comment? | | Report
from Grnmtnboy wrote 48 weeks 14 hours ago

That's just irresponsible and not something you should be crowing about.

+8 Good Comment? | | Report
from 99explorer wrote 48 weeks 14 hours ago

A very damaging admission, Dave.
The last time I took a shot like that, I was about eighteen years old, and very excited just to see a buck.

+6 Good Comment? | | Report
from Drew McClure wrote 48 weeks 8 hours ago

and for you folks that want to give Dave a hard time about taking a Hail Mary we can return to redundant fan boy insanity that is..."What is the Best deer/elk caliber/" mania, and I can switch from drinking Belgium beer and start drinking Jim Beam by the glass full and tell you that those of you lucky enough to have owned a pre-64 Winchester model 70 in 30-06 have spent all these years cheating on a good wife, and your not a better hunter, not a more effective hunter, not a more informed rifle snob, you are just a little boy in a man's unfit body hiding in the man cave from your wife, wondering if gadgetry and tactical skill would give you an edge on Davy Crockett, and the and the answer is, HELL NO, and stop staring at your Carlos Hathcock poster, go on a diet and get your rear to the range with ammo you have hoarded, begged for, or borrowed. That is my plan. Cheers.

+6 Good Comment? | | Report
from Roderick K. Purcell wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I've taken Hail Mary shots — but only at animals that are already wounded. A shot "just for the hell of it" at a healthy animal is indefensible and poor sportsmanship. Doesn't matter if it's a Booner or forkhorn, or how late in the hunt it is. The odds are too high of hitting the paunch or breaking a leg. I'd rather eat a tag than wound a buck. DEP shows a disappointing lack of respect.

+6 Good Comment? | | Report
from Bryan01 wrote 48 weeks 13 hours ago

If the goal was to make a blog post that will generate comments, I think you're going to succeed. With regard to the substance of the comment, if it truly was a Hail Mary shot, I can only see such shots being justified if you are in a survival situation.

+5 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Hey Ski, got any idea how many deer have been lost at 50 yards just standing dar?

+5 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ontario Honker ... wrote 48 weeks 13 hours ago

A Hail Mary shot is ill-advised at any time. But taking one at that time of day is really poor judgment in my opinion. Too easy to lose a crippled animal if it's dinged at dusk. Taking a Hail Mary shot at dawn is only slightly more acceptable.

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from Oregon Jim wrote 48 weeks 8 hours ago

I may be criticized for saying this, but I think poorly of anyone that fires a shot at game unless they are certain their shot will hit its mark. With the exception of survival situations, a "maybe I'll get it" shot is something to be scorned.

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from tygh98 wrote 48 weeks 4 hours ago

You all do know the real reason for this post. Petzal is just letting us know he puts his pants on one leg at a time and misses sometimes as well. Of course the only time he misses is on shots that would make most of the commenters on this post wet themselves. Just see above.

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from 357 wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I train with my guns @ 300 yards, but hunting out west will do that to ya.

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from GregMc wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

Most hunters have taken an ill-advised shot. The difference here is that Dave says he'd do it again. That's disappointing.

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from TM wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I remember every duck that I've crippled and been unable to recover. After doing it several times per season in my hunting days, I've become a lot more conservative about the shots I take. On occasion, a bird still will get away, but it now is exceedingly rare.

I've never taken a long shot at a deer. If you want to brag about long shots, shoot targets or terrorists. When it comes to wildlife, long shots are not impressive. Clean shots are impressive.

Deer that are "just out of reach" are what makes hunting a sport. You may go home empty handed, but that's why it's called "hunting" and not "killing". Very few modern hunters need the meat (i.e., would not survive the winter without it).

Long shots also are dangerous. Some yahoo came within 10 yards of killing my family member when he whizzed a hail mary past a buck he had no business shooting at that proceeded to travel over a ridge line.

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from Dougfir wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

Glad to see a lot of other hunters taking DP to task here. David, what exactly made this shot justified? The size of the deer's rack?
I know, never say never, but I've NEVER met someone who could shoot 300 yards off-hand with enough accuracy and consistency for hunting. And, I don't believe that DP is one of these people because he called it a "hail mary."
What's worse is that this is not the first time I've seen DP endorse the hail mary in Field and Stream. David, you're a great writer, but I wish you'd set a better example in this regard. You hurt us all when you write about stuff like this.

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from Del in KS wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Two years ago I wounded a bull elk that ultimately escaped after much tracking. That was a long shot fired from a rest under ideal conditions. Tracking sign indicated the bad hit was low in the chest rather than dead center due to the bull being about 50 yds farther than thought. A new Leupold rangefinder I was using would not work on the bull but indicated 320 yds on a tree that appeared to be next to said bull. When I got there to check for sign it was clear he was standing well beyond that tree. Leupold sent me a new rangefinder. I was hunting with Wam, Beekeeper and a few other gents. Since then replaced Leupold with top of the line Bushnell rangefinder and switched elk rifles from 338-06 to 300 Roy. The Roy is flatter shooting and likely would have made up for the error if had used it that day. After that bull got away I stopped hunting, figured that was my elk.

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

Hey Sixpack, know how stupid you really look!

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from jhjimbo wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

I shot in a antique military rifle competition at my club some time ago and won the match. I was shooting a Argentine Mauser '98 in 7X57. Shooting with my hand loads at 300yds prone. First prize was a book in long range shooting. It can be done under ideal conditions.
In DP's case, closing the distance and then an off hand shot without sticks or a stable rest makes it a low percentage shot. Late in the day and a low percentage shot to me means a pass. The animal deserves better. JMO.

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from Matthew Matzek wrote 48 weeks 10 hours ago

I'm young and dumb and inexperienced and a greenhorn and a tenderfoot and unwisend and all that other stuff, and I would not have even considered such a shot. You don't throw hail mary bullets. Footballs don't kill people. Bullets shot from guns do

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

This post has brought out the ridiculous and absurd from all the range monkeys! LMAO!

Good on, Dave!

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from MReeder wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I'm not going to criticize DEP or any other experienced hunter for taking an occasional hail Mary -- and six over the span of his whole career is pretty occasional -- at a truly outstanding trophy after he's done everything he can to cut the distance. As long as you know your own capabilities, know your rifle and load, and have a fair degree of confidence that you can make the shot, take it. If you're strictly hunting for meat then it makes no sense to take a chance. I have waited for does standing 30 yards away to move their offleg to the right angle so that I didn't accidentally waste any meat on the far side. But I have also done plenty of deer hunting in open canyon country where refusing to take a fairly distant or running shot means you might as well have stayed home. That's one reason I always used my .270 or '06 on those hunts, rather than the .243 I'm happy to use out of a blind or on doe only hunts. Caliber is no substitute for putting a bullet in the right place, but it does give you a little more margin of error. I have hit, if memory serves, exactly two deer and one javelina in the paunch. All three were shot with 130 gr. bullets out of a .270 and were almost instantaneous kills.
While we're at it, I don't understand when it became bad taste to shoot an animal in its bed, as some of the TV shows seem to suggest. I always thought it was pretty darned good woodsmanship to sneak up on an animal in its bed.
All I know is that if anyone's going to read Dave out of the hunting fraternity for taking the shot he took, they're also going to have to postumously scrub the roster of, among others, Jack O'Connor, Warren Page, Elmer Keith, Herb Klein, Roy Weatherby, Elgin Gates, and gawd knows how many more.

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Del, 300 Roy I'll bet kicks less than my 870 with a
3½", OUCH!

I'll stick to my 338 Win Mag, I know what it will do out yonder!

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Hey Dave, does Sunday Morning Quarterbacks come to mind?

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Hey Dave, does Sunday Morning Quarterbacks come to mind?

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from HogBlog wrote 48 weeks 13 hours ago

I smell troll bait.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Tim Platt wrote 48 weeks 10 hours ago

I don't think it was a bad idea to shoot. I have shot 5 or 6 deer that were running wide open and never lost one. I have only missed one. Fact is a lot of deer get gut shot from 25 yards, I have seen it happen. I think you owe it to the deer to make every effort to find it if you wound it, but if you have a problem with people taking shots from 380 yards with what I assume was a .338 then you should logically think bow hunting should be outlawed. Half the deer I have seen hit with an arrow were never found. I quit hunting with a bow because of this.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from hengst wrote 48 weeks 8 hours ago

Zero a 257 wby at 300, holdover is not an issue out to 400 ish depending on load. The freehand shot on the other hand, no way I would do it (damn sure would miss or hit to the right) I am only good to 225-50ish MOD freehand. Now add a bipod or primos trigger sticks to the equation and that = meat

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Safado wrote 48 weeks 4 hours ago

Would I take the shot on the first day of the hunt? Nope.
If I were seeing deer all over the place and believe I'll run into another...nope again.
Last day of the hunt, running out of light, rack like nobody's business, closed the distance from close to 500 yards, think it's around 300 yards out, uh oh you're busted and he's headed for the next county, can't get a steady rest...remember the time you made a longer shot on a coyote....would I take the shot, especially if I didn't know it was 380...maybe.
Shooting off hand after running and jacked up on adrenalin makes the shot difficult and might discourage me also but the effort may encourage me to take the shot. If I were shooting one of the flat shooting western deer rifles that should have won the recent March Madness like a .257 Weatherby or .264 Win Mag the chances of me taking that shot increase because your point blank range would be near 400 yards.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Steve in Virginia wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I was about to pile on, but everyone else has put forward the proper criticisms for Dave's piece. Instead, I'll tip my hat to everyone on the post who spoke up and properly took him to task for advertising a shot that no one should take.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from benjaminwc wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

Being somewhat a spiritual person, I do find myself throwing a few "Hail Mary" shots, others times it seems all I can muster is a "Allahu Akbar," but every now and then I get a little help and pull off a "Hallelujah Chorus".

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Proverbs wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I'm guessing there is a F&S office pool going on with this blog, which must be the product of some off-hand bet.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from elmer f. wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

there are on occasion, a shot, even though we know better, we just can not pass up. for most of us, they are rare (thankfully), and really are the last resort at an animal we just can not let slip by without trying. those animal are few and far between, which is the reason we can not just let it walk. it's probably a good thing that the woods, fields, and canyons are not filled with 10-16 point monsters. if they were, there would probably be a much higher incidence of hunting accidents. unfortunately, not everyone is as careful about what is beyond the critter in question. my dad told me the first year we went hunting, at the ripe old age of 12. he said, "the biggest rack in the world, can not be seen from a jail cell". and then he said something that almost made me forget that. he said, "if you shoot someone, you WILL, have to go tell his wife, mother, or father that you were responsible". what he was telling me, in no uncertain terms, was that this was no game. there were no second chances. bullets, are designed to do one thing, kill. and they do that job exceedingly well. of course, i know now that i would not have had to do that. but it got the point home, hard. sorry Mr. Petzal, i by no means want to take away from your story. but the younger "kids" need a reminder that it is essential to know what is beyond that monster buck.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Del in KS wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I think the fellows that would pass on that shot could hold a convention in a phone booth. Each person knows how capable he is and needs to use good judgement based on that knowledge and the situation. On a calm day with my 300 Wby or 25-06 I would have squeezed one off provided the cross hairs are steady.

SFC Petzal you may recall from your Army days when soldiers shoot for qualification there are no off hand shots beyond 200 yd. One day the practice range tower operator screwed up and raised the 300 yd targets with 100 soldiers in a standing OH position. Moi and one other soldier knocked 'em down. No idea why but my scores are always better OH than kneeling. Another chap beat me by 1 for best in the Plt on record fire. That was Army Basic at Ft. Jackson, SC in 1970. Yes, I have made several 1 shot kills off hand out to 355 lazered yds. Cannot recall any misses. That was under very good conditions with a flat shooting bolt gun with a good scope. Guys if you can't do it on the range don't try it in the field.

Cheers,

Del,
SFC retired

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

Hunters who claim to never have missed a "too long" shot are like the two kinds of people who pee in the shower... those that will admit it and the liars.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Safado wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

'Guys if you can't do it on the range don't try it in the field.'
Thank you Del in KS

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Steward wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

This wasn't a Hail Mary shot. It was a missed, longish-range shot. Hunting last season, I was working my way across the north side of 90 acres of private land. I was walking through a grassy area with a little bit of brush, with trees on my right. I jumped three deer - does, who paused just a moment, and then ran off, almost directly from me. I was not prepared for them. I did not have time to aim well. If I had fired at them, THAT would have been a hail-mary shot. 20 minutes later, I found that there was another hunter in a treestand, just on the other side of the fence-line. If I had taken that shot at the running deer, he would have been in my line of fire. This is one reason to not take hail-mary shots, and why I am glad I didn't, even though it was the closest thing I had to a good shot last season.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ontario Honker ... wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Del, I can't hit crap from the kneeling position either. Hate it. Totally unstable way to shoot in my opinion.

I remember one and only one Hail Mary situation with elk and it almost ended very badly. It was about 320 yards downhill with 30-06 180 gr. Fired five rounds before I finally hit it. That should have told me something. Of course, everything was hitting high. In the end I was VERY sorry I hit that elk. Did finally catch up to it and kill it after an exceptional job of tracking all afternoon with no snow and almost no blood. Dropped it on the edge of a precipice at the end of a spruce bog. Two days getting it out with horses. Almost cost me one of my nags and by brother. I carried each quarter in my arms about seventy yards from the gut pile to the horses even though I had brought the packboard along. If I'd slipped and been tied to that meat, my brother would have watched me die in a rockpile at the base of a waterfall two hundred feet below us. I did slip once and slid on my butt in the beargrass about ten yards. When I finally stopped I was on the verge of tossing the meat as I was only about five yards from the edge of the cliff. I was pretty shaky by the time I got back to my brother! That misadventure also cost us both a day of holiday pay at the plant. For just a spike bull. Pffft. We both have a lot of memories to carry with us from that episode ... none of them good. I always say any misadventure is still an adventure ... well, that one was a jackpot! Still, there is no reason to go looking for the kind of misadventure Del had and I nearly had. I generally hunted big game face to face, not mountain top to mountain top. Hence, no need for rangefinders, multiple magnification scopes, or crap shoot shots with fancy flat-shooting guns. I found it much more enjoyable and challenging to track down and shoot a moose or elk in its bed a few yards away as opposed to lobbing something at a speck on the horizon and hoping for the best.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Joe Sixpack wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Sorry but I think DEP is baiting us for some unknown reason.
380 yards is a long shot when calmly taking it from a rest. DEP claims that he attempted it in fading light, after the exertion of climbing a ridge, at an alerted animal, offhand. Bah, humbug.
I just don't think a hunter of Dave's experience would do such a thing.
What gives?

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from micko77 wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

I don't have time, energy or inclination to read more than the first 25-30 of the entries here... getting too much like a Facebook flame session. First, what is a "Hail Mary"? A shot you may or may not connect with, based on experience and some luck. My first deer was such; a 140 lb. doe running full out at 70 yards with a smoothbore 12 ga. Mossberg. Butt, belly, beaqk, BANG! I was more surprised than she when she rolled over herself. Similar episode with a running coyote at 200 yds. with a .357 Mag. revolver. Took 3 shots, but dead dog. Lastly was another doe, running quartering away full out at around 70 yards again but with w .41 Mag revolver; first shot thru the neck. Could I have "called" any of those? Nope. Did I have critters down? Yep. Have I ever missed... and have YOU? I have, and if anyone else has it sorta blows that whole "Hail Mary" thing in the trash. Think how many ducks/doves/pheasants etc. have gotten away with a pellet or 3 in the guts; are their lives less special than that trophy buck? We do the best we can in the situation at hand, and have ourselves, the law, and whatever you see as a Higher Power to answer to.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from 1uglymutha wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

I very much enjoy the hand wringing and gnashing of teeth and even the obvious alcohol induced rantings of some of those who reply here. I do have one question dave: why in thunder didn't either you or your friend have a reliable rangefinder handy? it would only take a second for your partner to give you an reasonably accurate reading. I take a rangefinder every time I go to the woods (or desert as the case may be). I first guess the distance, then check against the rangefinder reading. sometimes i'm off by scary amounts. by the way, I practice often at extended ranges and would feel far more comfortable taking a 500 yard shot prone than any offhand shot past 150 or so. but that's just me. to each his own. happy shooting.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from 99explorer wrote 47 weeks 3 days ago

I'm afraid I can't tell, beyond any doubt, just who thinks they are God's gift to rifles and hunting, whether it be the critics of DEP's ill-advised shot or his fawning supporters.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ontario Honker ... wrote 47 weeks 3 days ago

Yes, 99, it's a topic folks obviously are very passionate about. Some for good reasons ... some for not so good reasons.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from 99explorer wrote 47 weeks 2 days ago

I think the trouble with this story is that the narrator comes across as an unrepentent sinner, hopeful of absolution without asking for it.
Apparently he has come to the right place with some of us.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 2 days ago

Gunny Bob dead on!

O' The good'ol days, we didn't have range finders yet alone gps!

Coming soon, quarterbacks and baseball players can't throw without the aid of electronics!

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Longhunter wrote 47 weeks 1 day ago

To the old fools on this site. Really no ones cares about what you did in 1950 and BTW this site is for anyone who wishes to chime in so patting each other on the *** is getting pretty old but I would expect no less from your ilk. This "Weelll, thems are just greenhorns" type of logic just baffles me. Why just because they did not agree with your opinion? Are you really so arrogant that no other opinions matter besides the ones of you and the rest of the blog trolls? Read this: I have never attempted a hail mary ever and have never urinated in the shower neither. Lots of things can go wrong when you shoot way out there. Are you trying to tell me that the end justifies the means? Lets say you wound it. Would you feel even the lesat bit badly about it or find some way to justify it? That is really not showing any ethical concern for the animals that we hunt. Before any of you old fools say "By golly another Greenhorn har har" I am a few years past the half century mark so instead of acting like a bunch of drunken frat boys maybe you just need to grow up.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 47 weeks 1 day ago

Longhunter, we suffer jackasses like you just like you have to suffer jackasses like us. Get a grip, that is if it is long enough....

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

My favorite story involves a buck sgt (we will call him Longhunter) from the 1/509 at an air show. The guy was carrying on about how many jumps he had. There was an old man wearing a ball cap with the AA (82nd) emblem on it. The sgt asked the old man, "Hey oldtimer, I got 110 jumps, how many you got?" The old man replied, "Four. Sicily Salerno, Normandy and Holland."- Roy Roane

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Tom-Tom wrote 48 weeks 14 hours ago

At ease, people. If anyone can quote chapter and verse from the Book of Balistics, it would most likely be DEP. You need to know the drop at distances past where you have determined the "zero" to be along with the distance to your target. As much as DEP practices, and not just shoots, such an attempt as described is hardly a "Hail Mary" in my book as the deer was stationary. As for us average shooters, Dirty Harry once said, "A man has to know his limitations".

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from buckstopper wrote 48 weeks 10 hours ago

Egads, I think an IRS audit is in order!

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from jay wrote 48 weeks 9 hours ago

A 300 yard shot is long but not unreasonable. With a good rest its quite makeable. Free hand is certanly a long shot but not sure I would call it a hail mary at a standing target.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from O Garcia wrote 48 weeks 7 hours ago

I didn't know Mary's that popular outside of the Catholic fold. OK, kidding, don't flame me.

Hail Mary pass is part of football vocabulary, of course.

If DP hadn't used Hail Mary to describe the shot, would we be so upset?

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from fng wrote 48 weeks 1 hour ago

I've had to take hail Mary's twice. The season before last, last day, on two deer, in the evening as they raced up a hill 250 yards away. I picked the right deer, put my crosshairs on her and pulled the trigger. Guess what? out of three shots, one spun her and slowed her down, and the next 6.5 140 grain Accubond hit her spine 4 inches below the ear.

Last year, I nailed a buck at 360, as he stopped in a clearing on a hill. We later ranged his footprints with my rangefinder, 365 yards. He was heavily quartering towards, I fired offhand, the same bullet and load struck higher in his shoulder and went out his abdomen, he was piled up 25 yards away.

Do I always take the shot? Nope. I'm not as cavalier as my Dad, who has no problem taking a moose at 800 yards with a .30-30 (which he has, much to my chagrin). But if it means being skunked or meat on the table, this is why I practice. We don't only take the shots we're 10000% sure we'll make, and preaching on the internet doesn't make you any less a lier if a 200 inch buck stepped out 400 away, last day of the season.

I'd just make sure to hit him, that's all. :)

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from SL wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I think what DP is admitting to is what a good many hunters would never admit to, yet they have done the very same thing, most likely more than once. I honestly think over 90% of the hunters out there would have been firing at that big buck just like DP did. Hunters will talk all this ethics BS, but when the moment of truth presents itself, all of those high morals go flying out the barrel along with the bullet that has been sent on its way. Those who would say that this isn't true are full of it in my opinion. I have been around hunting long enough to know that most hunters are NOT of these high morals they claim to hold.

By the way, here are the words to the complete "Hail Mary" prayer, for the next time you non-Catholic fellas go for it. LOL

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from fordman155 wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

Dave--the situation you described sounds much like one I faced the past rifle season, but the critical difference was I knew the range to the buck thanks to a laser rangefinder. I had a 300 yard zero on my big 300 and knew the holdover points on my scope were accurate enough for hunting purposes. I took the shot from a fairly stable position and the animal fell after about 5-10 drunken steps.
In 2011 missed a buck at 400yds from a nearly perfect shooting position. I knew the range to the single yard. Visibility was perfect and there was no mirage I could see. There were no crosswinds or things irritating me. I had good velocity readings on the 100gn Barnes TSX bullets in the magazine. I undershot the buck and he was gone.
I know there are hunters who believe a 300+ yard shot is not a good one for ethical reasons, bullet performance questions or the ability for great shot placement. It might not be a good shot for a hunter based on how much they have practiced at that particular range or a longer one. If the conditions are not in your favor, it comes down to how much training you've put yourself through.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from 99explorer wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I might have taken that shot from the prone position but offhand, never! I could hit a pie plate at that range maybe one time in ten or twenty. Those are gambling odds.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from ishawooa wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

Years ago I made a Hail Mary at a really nice 4 x 4 whitetail. It was roughly a 350 yard shot with a .25-'06 and I think 117gr Sierra at about 3000 fps. It was a good hit in the boiler room and the deer dropped immediately. When I walked up to it I noticed that it was diseased, some kind of severe skin problem, hairless spots on its body with oozing sores. I wished I had not made that shot.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from rock rat wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

Dave this is just one example of your honesty in writing that serves you so well. Anyone can tell the tale of the shot not taken, "oh well, good day out amongst friends anyway" you tell the true story of kinda pushing the edges of ethical shots. You always attempt to tell a situation in the truest way that it appears to your eye. A long distance off hand shooter you might not be, a terrific writer you are.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from TED FORD wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Reckon if a Hail Mary shot is one requiring prayer.pretty much all my shots have been Hail Marys

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from tom warner wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Quite a few holier-than-thou hypocritical comments here.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from hengst wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

By any chance does Mr Petzal get a bonus check per response his writings garner? He sure is good at it!

Del touched on it, that is why I use flat shooting rifles (257 and 300 WBY) that are crazy accurate, otherwise I would be spending a bunch more money in the meat dept. at Safeway

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from condoski wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

All rhetoric aside, there is absolutely no good reason to take a shot that is not a sure clean kill. Ever.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

380 yawns?

4 inch group at 200 yards is still MOP at 400.

David, need to do a video for these green horns.

Besides, 380 isn't that far away....

Perhaps ya'll should stand a little closer to the plate or take a 1/2 dose of V-iagra before mouthing off about something you really don't have a clue about.

Let's step back to the 1000 yard line, any takers!

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ontario Honker ... wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

Hey, Nyflyangler, you shoot at tasty animals SO YOU CAN KILL THEM HUMANELY AND EAT THEM, NOT BUGGER THEM UP AND/OR WASTE THEM. Understand that in many places in the US, particularly in the early part of the season, if you don't find a dead deer within a few hours it's exceptionally UN-TASTY (as in spoiled!). An elk or moose is maggot food much quicker. I wouldn't pretend to tell you how to strip a hare's nymph to catch a palm-sized brook trout. Perhaps you should take a lesson about big game hunting from a few of the boys on here who have learned them the hard, sad way (because we actually have done some of it, ye mighty Brooklyn raccoon hunter!). Call me a Nancy Boy if you want, but you're really nothing but an armchair astronaut. When you have forty years of hunting under your belt rather than a couple of years reading outdoors magazines in the john, then maybe you can call me a Nancy Boy with a bit of authority.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from buckhunter wrote 47 weeks 1 day ago

Pray for us sinners.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from hutter wrote 47 weeks 1 day ago

I took a Hail Mary shot once, I think it was Bourbon and a shot of Holy Water! Have another Dave!

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

Clay,

Right 100, Add 50, Fire For Effect! LOL

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from timvance8 wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

Hail Mary I...
Didn't check the zero on my rifle before the season.
Jerk the trigger because I'm afraid of recoil.
Am taking a shot farther than I have ever practiced regularly from a position that I haven't practiced regularly.
Don't know how to control my buck fever and thus can't control my rifle.
Am shooting at an animal while not being in my best state of mind. This is caused by staying up too late, getting up too early, over-caffination, under-caffination, dehydration, exhaustion, testosterone, adrenaline, or unique blend including any of these.

We have all sinned. (Romans 3:23)

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

WAM, for 7.62 NATO M118 it was always 30 1/2 to 32 clicks up (depending on light and elevation) and generally 6 or 7 clicks for wind for 1000 meters. Longhunter needs a bit more seasoning ya'think! LOL!

Interesting to point out, for 1000 meters, both my M1A and M1 Garand uses the same sight adjustments. That M118 ammo is a bit hot I'd say!

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

Clay,
No additional seasoning required, just get the fork....

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Drew McClure wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

@Clay, I'd love to, I don't have the time and don't shoot that often, fishing season never ends, I'm breaking in a new chainsaw, and my boy wants to go to wild river country every weekend he can.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from O Garcia wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

I'm sure 99% of shooters, including gunwriters, 99% of the time, think they would make the shot.

I still believe if DP had not used the Hail Mary phrase, none of the heated replies would result.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

Petzal is just jerking chains to see how many of you he can get a rise out of!!!

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 46 weeks 5 days ago

The bottom line is that a man's gots to know his limitations...

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ontario Honker ... wrote 44 weeks 1 day ago

Longhunter, I have been hunting longer than you and I have only take a couple of very foolish hail mary shots. Did wound an elk and very, very lucky to track it down and eventually kill it. Totally stupid and it wound up costing me big time. I don't believe in the mountain top to mountain top kind of hunting either. So don't lump me in with the old frat boys on this one. However, everyone is entitled to their opinion, even those whose hunting ethics, such that they are, might not be the same as ours.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from peppeli wrote 48 weeks 10 hours ago

Definitely trolling.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from tom donohue wrote 48 weeks 10 hours ago

P-U!

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from twoforks wrote 48 weeks 10 hours ago

Well, we all make mistakes regardless of our age, experience, and what other people think of us. But then to tell us about it and let us tear DP apart, that tells me what DP is really like. From reading this it tells me that he is an honest and open hunter, not afraid to tell us like it is.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Drew McClure wrote 48 weeks 9 hours ago

You could have chosen to not share this story, and I have heard a lot of stories about hunters buying entire new shooting season because they missed the big un, with 12 months to regroup I would do a little more free hand shooting. When I first began participating in this forum I thought that all these 3/4 inch groups people were talking about were free hand. It only later occurred to me that shooters were bragging about bench rest shooting. From age 5 I was shooting a daisy lever bb gun freehand and at the age 16 I sighted in my 243 and only rarely placed it back on a bench. The only reason I paid money for a new deer gun was that the Marlin 1895 is short and balanced, making it balanced and lovely to shoot freehand, that and mass marketing hypnotized me, and it is bigger than every one else's regular deer hunting rifle in camp, which in a peer group arms race is important, especially since you and your Ol' man have been killing truck loads of deer with a light weight woman's caliber for decades. I like to focus on being sneaky and take advantage of a very long bow season, but on the tail end of my rifle season I am going to take some chances to shoot a pot winning buck unfortunately my Ol' man used net B&C scoring and my broken up buck lost. It's always the big ones that test us the most, cheers to Dave getting his bruiser this year, he is still out there.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Drew McClure wrote 48 weeks 9 hours ago

shooting "systems" not "seasons"

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 48 weeks 8 hours ago

I had taken a HM shot like that as well, it's humbling and teaches a sound lesson to make one a better hunter.
Man, it was one big BUCK I missed, too!

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from z41 wrote 48 weeks 45 min ago

How would this blog have sounded if Dave had not used the term Hail Mary and left off the last paragraph? It would be altogether different sounding. I was in KS misjudged the range and missed a big buck in the last light of the day.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from jhjimbo wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I would have told that story under a different pen name.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from 268bull wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

It's pretty much all been said, but, hey, why not. It appears you had a senior moment, both in taking the shot and in admitting it. In retrospect, " it was justifiable ". Really! You're preachin' to the choir on this one Petzal.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from huntenthusiest wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

"If", a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass when he hops.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Constant Gardener wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

May Fools Day?

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from elmer f. wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

there are on occasion, a shot, even though we know better, we just can not pass up. for most of us, they are rare (thankfully), and really are the last resort at an animal we just can not let slip by without trying. those animal are few and far between, which is the reason we can not just let it walk. it's probably a good thing that the woods, fields, and canyons are not filled with 10-16 point monsters. if they were, there would probably be a much higher incidence of hunting accidents. unfortunately, not everyone is as careful about what is beyond the critter in question. my dad told me the first year we went hunting, at the ripe old age of 12. he said, "the biggest rack in the world, can not be seen from a jail cell". and then he said something that almost made me forget that. he said, "if you shoot someone, you WILL, have to go tell his wife, mother, or father that you were responsible". what he was telling me, in no uncertain terms, was that this was no game. there were no second chances. bullets, are designed to do one thing, kill. and they do that job exceedingly well. of course, i know now that i would not have had to do that. but it got the point home, hard. sorry Mr. Petzal, i by no means want to take away from your story. but the younger "kids" need a reminder that it is essential to know what is beyond that monster buck.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Bioguy01 wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

I have no idea why that posted 5 times because I only clicked the button once. Oh well :-)

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from mike0714 wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

hold on a minute everyone here has taken a few hail marry shots in their lifetime. If you honestly have not then you should hunt more or it some times it is good to only be able to see 50 yards where you hunt.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from poetwild wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Since I never miss any game at any distance from any angle using any gun of any caliber under any conditions, I can't appreciate any perspective presented by anyone on this page. Just sayin'...

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Retired2hunt wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

This had to be a baited subject. It read to me as if the shot was irresponsible - not only because of being sloppily rushed but also shooting uphill at a silhoutted animal. The bullet could have traveled and killed somebody. Luckily the distance was farther and the bullet would have dropped safely hitting ground.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Retired2hunt wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

And even if it was not an uphill shot it then reads as if it was a shot from atop the ridge which still allows a poor shot to travel beyond the target.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ontario Honker ... wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

Oh, and does that '53 Chev stock truck with the bull elk in the back look like a squeaky clean SUV? Pffft! I built that rig from the ground up using pieces from the wrecking yard. Not many petting zoos in NW Ontario either. The moose here may have a brain the size of a golf ball but they are also chased night and day by wolves. Consequently they are exceptionally difficult to track. Any noise and they are gone and don't settle down till they get to the next province. But they can be got that way. It takes patience. And a helluva lot of endurance. And knowledge. Things you're not going to find in Brooklyn. Or in magazines.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

Clay,

Whar ya' been?

WAM

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

jhjimbo those Ol'Mauser are more accurate and dependable than most off the shelf smoke poles.

As for, "It can be done under ideal conditions"?

I have to disagree with you dar.

Be at your best even when losing is eminent for when the storm rolls in, remember what you have previously learned. While the Masters complain, kick mud and curse the storm, this is the time to shine and love the storm because this my friend is Gods gift to you, it separates the real winners and losers!
- My lessons in life
Clay Cooper USAF Ret

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Gunny Bob wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

I am unsure as to which is more amusing and predictable: the whining herein or the whining of 5 billion mosquitoes along the Kazan within inches of my face.

The original post did serve a purpose, though: we now know, beyond any doubt, who thinks they are God's gift to rifles and hunting via their self-righteous indignation and pedantic retorts, and who knows better. DEP lured the former into the opening and allowed them to shoot their respective mouths off while shooting themselves in the foot simultaneously.

10X.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from O Garcia wrote 47 weeks 3 days ago

Now that I've some time to think about it (hallelujah), we have been trolled successfully by Dave, who will switch to Fishing Editor after this.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 2 days ago

Gunny, Ill take your Mosquitoes in Kazan area over the Alaskan Noseeums any day! They make field dressing Caribou and Moose pure hell! Back in 89, one of the hunters near Chicken AK had a severe allergic reaction to the nasty critter. They rushed him into Chicken and airlifted him to one of the Army Posts

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 2 days ago

Just think, what if DEP did make the shot right through the boiler room and dropped it right in its tracks? Be a different tune!

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Amflyer wrote 47 weeks 1 day ago

"Whaaa! Whaa! Whaaa! It's the usual caterwauling from the F&S Nancy Boys. I'm so sick and tired all the limp wrists here complaining about hunters taking long shots.

Hunters spend hundred of dollars on rifles and scopes and then refuse to use them to their full capacity. You all remind me of my friend, Jeff and his Porsche. He never drives over the speed limit ever. Hyundai's frequently pass him. People have actually yelled at him at traffic lights for driving a Porsche like an old woman.

Memo to Nancy Boys: They call it hunting because you shoot at tasty animals so that you can eat them. It doesn't matter how far away they are when you do it. If you don't shoot, you're not hunting. Go join the Sierra Club or PETA where you belong.

I suspect all you 'hundred foot hunters' don't actually shoot game. You really just bash tame deer over the head with the butt of your rifle at the petting zoo. Drag them into your never seen a dirt road SUVs and trucks and then speed off while the kiddies look on crying."

New York:

You come off sounding like a opinionated fartknocker. Is that what you were going for?

Isn't an angler, like, a fisherman or something?

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 1 day ago

I remember back in April 86 on one Saturday morning while conducting tryouts For the Holloman AFB High Power Team. All these Fellas trying out standing dar with there 22's watching Sandra Warman shoot 50 Meters saying how they can out shoot this teenager. Did I mention She made the tryouts for the Olympic in June 86 and come to find out was Nationally known in Oct 95? I've learned along time ago, be careful who you chastise. O'by the way, Sandra's group was the size of a quarter at 50 Meters with the wind blowing. For the fellas, we counted the hits on paper and the only one who made the cut had zero hits. We were not looking for score, we were looking for ability to listen and good sportsmen conduct.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 1 day ago

From Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read,

I try to keep my "bones to pick" at a minimum these days. I have nothing to prove since I know that I can out-cuss, out-shoot, and out-spit most of the whippersnappers on here! LOL! (At least in my mind, anyway) Remember, don't mess with an old man, he'll just shoot you.
Best regards,
WAM

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 47 weeks 1 day ago

Clay,
LMAO!

Buckhunter,
You crack me up, sir!

Cheers, WAM

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from nc30-06 wrote 47 weeks 23 hours ago

When I was about 12 years old, I had my uncles' .22 short rifle out on a "hunt". I saw a couple of does cross a clearing and guessed there would be a buck following. There was. I took a guess at the angle to compensate for the distance, probably 300-400 yards and cracked one off. Of course, it didn't faze him much less hit him. If it had, he would probably thought it was a mosquito.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Drew McClure wrote 47 weeks 20 hours ago

I'm not sure if it's a mistake, but I received a custom ballistic turret today for my 243 on 80 grain GMX's, past 300 yards it says "j-e-r-k +1,+2."I would prefer it say "No,Hell No, and F### No" While your out there re-zeroing your moral compasses, I salute you all. Cheers, may you shoot deer better than you do S####.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

WAM & D'Gang, stay tuned, more to come or should I say "INCOMING!"! ROFLMAO!

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

A giant of a man (Longhunter) walks into a bar in Georgia. After several beers, he notices a small, older gentleman sitting a stool or so down. Thinking a show of strength will establish his dominance in the establishment, he strikes the older gentleman with the back of his hand, knocking him of his stool and across the floor. The big man laughs heartily and reaches for his beer when the world suddenly goes black.
Regaining conscienceness, he finds himself lying on a gurney, in considerable pain and being tended by several EMT's and medics.
He sees the familiar face of the bartender and asks, "What was that guy's name?"
The bartender shrugged and said, "I don't know what his name is but I do know he a retired Airborne Ranger."
The big man winces in pain and mutters, "DAMN! Why don't they earmark the little bastards?"
- from FirstBubba

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

timvance8, stick around, as Uncle Ted would say, "I like your style!"

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

AJMcClure you reload for that 243 ?

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

Actually, I was thinking of a deployment....
Some God forsaken place we both have been....

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 46 weeks 6 days ago

AJ, ya'know how to hit below the belt!

Salmon are starting to run in Alaska and I wish I wuz dar!

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 46 weeks 5 days ago

I wonder if Neal Boortz is is twin Brother....?

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Safado wrote 46 weeks 5 days ago

I recently read something that Dave quoted a while ago about elk hunting. I'm paraphrasing but it went something like this:
The shot will come, on the last day of the hunt with five minutes of light left. It will be a very difficult shot...and you will take it.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 46 weeks 5 days ago

...and if it is me, it will be made!

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from goodolddave wrote 46 weeks 5 days ago

To me, a Sportsman/Sportswoman should be ethical, moral, principled.
I believe the term hail mary puts the statement in a UN-defensible context. It implies a maybe I will be successful and maybe I will not connotation. Hunters with ethics and morals should want a clean kill, not a I hope I can make a kill. The difference come's with skill and experience. If you are practiced and confident then it would not be a hail mary at any range. Shoot to your abilities. Just because you can buy a Porshe doesn't mean you have the skill or right to attempt to drive it at it's limits. Enjoy it to your own limits! Any dumbass can get offroad and floor it, but this doesn't make him a responsible off roader. It doesn't matter how long you have been hunting, how many bugs you have eaten, gouged out of your eyes and ears and how far afield you have gone. Whether your hunting, fishing, camping, hiking or off roading, have you learned your craft? So many don't care enough to improve and hone their skills. Whether it's skill with a gun, bow or rod and reel, from learning your quarry's habits to being able to back your boat up to the dock. Reminds me of a story... Two women were applying for the same promotion in a company. One woman only had a year on the job, the other woman had ten years on the job. The woman with one year gained the promotion. The woman who didn't get the promotion complained to the boss claiming that she, herself deserved the promotion because she had 10 years experience compared with the other woman's 1 year experience. The boss correcter her saying, you don't have 10 years experience, you have 1 years experience 10 times. So many hunters have spent many years in the field but have less skill and knowledge than many younger less "seasoned" hunters. I know so many hunters/fisherman/off roader's/ outdoorsman etc. that think it is their right to do anything they want in the wilderness without regard for responsible attitudes concerning what they are doing. There isn't the space here for examples but you know who you are and what I mean. In a survival situation, maybe anything goes, but otherwise one only takes a shot they are confident in making. If despite this the outcome is affected by an unseen element like a twig that veered the bullet, then the additional skills come into play in proceeding to a successful outcome. There is more to being a hunter/outdoorsman than owning guns and having a hunting license and an ORV tag.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from peppeli wrote 48 weeks 14 hours ago

Dave, I am with you. I bow hunt and slug hunt. I have not and will not take any Hail Mary's with the bow, but with the shotgun on the other hand: I haven't but would if a situation arrises.

-1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Safado wrote 48 weeks 11 hours ago

I think once again Dave is stirring the pot and there will be moaning,groaning, proclamations to the Gods, hair pulling and teeth gnashing as a result. I appreciate his candor but really all he admitted to is missing a shot! As we all know, he prepares by practicing position shooting, he attempted to get closer got busted had the range wrong, did not want to hold out of the hair and took a shot but missed. I'm not going to say the shot was unethical however if the deer had been wounded and they did not do everything possible to find the wounded animal that would have been unethical.

-1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ncarl wrote 48 weeks 8 hours ago

Some of you guys need to chill out. If your so discussed by a 300 yard shot by a highly skilled marksman you better not be bow hunting or participate in deer drives. I bow hunt and drive deer so I'm not going to start criticize.

-1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Tim Platt wrote 48 weeks 8 hours ago

Yeah I was thinking about my younger days when we drove deer and every shot was basically a Hail Mary too. I shoot blackbirds offhand at 50 yards every day, really taking that shot was not anything to be ashamed of.

-1 Good Comment? | | Report
from wild rice wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

Did anyone hear the echo of a recent quote..."Just another bitter citizen, clinging to his guns and religion"? ;^)

-1 Good Comment? | | Report
from chaslee wrote 47 weeks 6 days ago

Guys, I may be a nimrod (and I'm sure you'll let me know) but some times when you take a shot you just know it's going to be a clean miss or paydirt. I haven't taken many and all were clean misses except 1.(I spent hours looking to be sure) and the one was 385 yards on an elk that dropped in its tracks with a 300 win mag. Hail Mary's for me are 400 yards or less even with a gun that will do much better.

How many shots at grouse, ducks, woodcock or goose are hail mary's?? I'll have a dirty martini with dave.

-1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

BEEN BUSY! Dar'Shooter!

Looks like we got a few Green Horns here. LOL!

Remember this one, it sure fits this moment!

@ Clay

Yes, some folks know what is really going on here and others espouse taking the moral high road and in doing so apply flawed logic and stinking thinking.

WAM

Young Guns?

ROFLMAO!

-1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Longhunter wrote 46 weeks 1 day ago

Well, I see that Clay and Waa, I mean Wam are continuing their love fest. Maybe, you two should just get a room? More seasoning you say? I would say that I am much more seasoned than you two pretenders. BTW Clay about your insult, the 5th graders called and they want it back but then again maybe you can tell the teacher yourself. WAM your interest in my manhood is a bit unsettling. Maybe, you should stick to things that you know about like ironing your skirts, planting daisies, girly things like that. You two remind me of the loud mouths that I used to throw out of bars. You talk a big game but when the fight starts you're the first ones out the door.

-1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Adron Beene wrote 48 weeks 11 hours ago

Go take a long range shooting course. If you don't like dealing with MOAs Mils and turrets, Thompson Long Range has a very nice system that takes the complexity out of it. Long range shooting shouldn't be guess work, its a science, learn it and expand your capabilities. At a minimum, get a ballistic reticle and learn to use it.

-2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ncarl wrote 48 weeks 8 hours ago

*criticizing

-2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Rocaphilla wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

I keep telling you guys, Petzal is not a guy you want to be taking advice from. Maybe now you'll listen.

-2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Nyflyangler wrote 47 weeks 5 days ago

Whaaa! Whaa! Whaaa! It's the usual caterwauling from the F&S Nancy Boys. I'm so sick and tired all the limp wrists here complaining about hunters taking long shots.

Hunters spend hundred of dollars on rifles and scopes and then refuse to use them to their full capacity. You all remind me of my friend, Jeff and his Porsche. He never drives over the speed limit ever. Hyundai's frequently pass him. People have actually yelled at him at traffic lights for driving a Porsche like an old woman.

Memo to Nancy Boys: They call it hunting because you shoot at tasty animals so that you can eat them. It doesn't matter how far away they are when you do it. If you don't shoot, you're not hunting. Go join the Sierra Club or PETA where you belong.

I suspect all you 'hundred foot hunters' don't actually shoot game. You really just bash tame deer over the head with the butt of your rifle at the petting zoo. Drag them into your never seen a dirt road SUVs and trucks and then speed off while the kiddies look on crying.

-3 Good Comment? | | Report
from Joe Sixpack wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

Clay- if you can rapidly walk 200 yards uphill and then shoot an 8" group offhand at 400 yards,
PLEASE report directly to the U.S. Olympic Shooting Center because they don't have anyone there with your skills.
WHAT A MAN!

-3 Good Comment? | | Report

Post a Comment

bmxbiz-fs