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April 12, 2013

Gun Control: Major Effects of Minor Inconveniences

By David E. Petzal

Two preliminary notes: First, I don’t like writing about gun control. I’d rather write about group sizes and feet per second. But these are extraordinary times, so a man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do.

Second, I was remiss in not thanking Frank Bruni for the best laugh I’ve had since the food-poisoning scene in Bridesmaids. His humor may have been unintentional, but it brought a smile to my careworn face.

And now to cases. On my post of April 9th, one reader commented that because a Congressperson supports extended background checks does not mean he/she favors the elimination of guns.

Yes and no. Most Congresspersons are indifferent to gun control. It’s an occasional annoyance that they wish would go away so they could get on with their real business of raising campaign money and lining up jobs as lobbyists when they are no longer sucking on the public teat. To them it doesn’t mean elimination of guns.

On the other hand, we have a dedicated group of gun haters to whom any kind of regulation or control is a step toward their ultimate goal of no more guns. To see how this works, let us return to New York City in the year 1963, when I graduated college. In the Borough of Manhattan alone, there were five gun stores: Stoeger’s, Continental Arms, Abercrombie & Fitch, Harry L. Moss and Sons, and John Jovino Gun Shop. Of these, only Jovino survives. Today the rest are all gone; the only gun stores in Manhattan are Holland & Holland and the Beretta Gallery, whose prices place them far beyond the reach of all but a few shooters. 

Some, like Abercrombie & Fitch, were doomed by poor management. But for the others, the cause of death was a long-gun-permit bill that was the 1967 brainchild of New York’s lovely, but untalented, Mayor John V. Lindsay. I lived with this law for 11 years. It was enforced by the New York City Firearms Control Board (The NYPD enforces it now.) A long gun permit didn’t cost much, and getting the thing was easy, and I never had a bit of trouble with the Board. But it did make the process of buying, or selling, or repairing a rifle or shotgun more cumbersome and time consuming. It also required FFL licensees to do a ton of paperwork.

Because it made buying or owning a long gun more difficult, the Lindsay Law first drove out the casual shooters. Serious gun owners refused to put up with it and moved their long guns out of the city where it didn’t apply. Business at the five gun stores dried up, except for Jovino, which sells guns to cops mostly, and is thereby assured of an income stream. And before you know it, New York City became a long-gun wasteland. This is what happened; it is not a matter of speculation. 

No one made long guns illegal. No one made them impossible to get, as handguns were. But it made things more difficult, and that was enough. The same thing may now happen in New York State where, if you have paid $1,760 for a Walther GSP bull’s-eye pistol, you will be interested to learn that you have an assault weapon because the GSP’s magazine well is ahead of the trigger guard. This is courtesy of Governor Cuomo’s SAFE Act, which was drafted by legislators who knew nothing about guns.

You can still buy firearms in New York State. But potential new gun owners and casual gun owners will say, “Who needs this s**t?" and take up another sport. Some dedicated shooters will move to gun-friendly states. Other dedicated shooters will stay and tough it out, but their kids will not put up with that s**t and when Dad passes on, they will turn Dad’s ARs and magazines (which he did not register) over to the police. Ditto the State of Connecticut.

Making It More Difficult is the same principle used by constricting serpents. If you have the bad luck to be grabbed by an anaconda, you’ll find that it doesn’t simply squash you. It waits until you exhale, and then it tightens a little bit, making it that much harder to inhale. With every little squeeze you get to breathe less, until finally you can’t breathe at all. Then you’re dinner.

So when you hear legislators talk about “common-sense” gun control, and “respecting gun owners’ rights,” and “supporting the Second Amendment while ensuring the public’s right to safety,” bear in mind that some of them may be sincere, but remember that others know perfectly well that with every little squeeze they are closer to what they want. They don’t need bans, or prohibitions, although they would like them very much.

They will take what they can get, and eventually that will be enough.

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from DSMbirddog wrote 9 weeks 2 days ago

I think as you read through this, and I agree with DP 100%, you begin to understand why the NRA and other groups cannot waiver one iota. Thank you for this well written piece.

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from labrador12 wrote 9 weeks 2 days ago

I agree totally Dave.

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from Proverbs wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

This is why no new gun regulations should be thought of as "reasonable" or "common-sense." Because they are not, and the multi-thousand word amendments/regulations/rules that bear them are full of bad things that, after the fact, will be called "unintended consequences." Which is a lie. Bad things happening to gun ownership is exactly the end game that the lobbyists who write these "common sense" regulations are after.

Just like Obamacare, we won't know all the horrible things these new proposed regulations contain....until it is too late.

For example, the anti-gun lobby says it is reasonable to make sure people with mental problems can't own guns. Until you realize the new laws define mental problems as including having a current, or long-past, use of extrememly common drugs like ADHD prescriptions or sleep aids.

Don't give a millimeter to new anti-gun rules!

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from SMC1986 wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Couldn't have said it better myself. Every gun owner currently standing on the sidelines should read this.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

The "reasonable" approach to gun control is to enforce the existing laws that keep most guns out of the hands of most loons. Pastor Rick Warren's son recently committed suicide (God rest his soul) allegedly with a handgun with serial numbers obliterated that he allegedly bought over the internet. Even possessing a handgun (except antiques with no serial number) with an altered serial number altered or removed is a Federal offense and has been for years. So he and the seller were Federal Felons. It is doubtful he bought it over the internet unless he set up a sale online and purchased it as an individual transaction. Mailing or shipping firearms outside of to/from an FFL is already against the law. Using the Postal Service to commission a crime is also a Federal offense! So.....if folks scoff at existing laws, why would we expect compliance with new laws? Duhhhh.....

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Dave,
Very well articulated. Congress is the hominid equivalent of serpents anyway.

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from rcmich wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Sorry WA, but I have to disagree with you there. ;-) Serpents may crawl on their bellys but they still aren't as low as the average politician.

Totally agree with Dave and the NRA. Don't budge an inch because it will never be enough. It will never stop.

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from rob wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

David - I understand that you don't like to write about gun control, but you do so very well, in a reasoned, intelligent tone that explores the issue in-depth. If only someone on the left could write a piece on their beliefs on the matter in the same manner. It may give one pause and cause to reflect.
But, since the left is just a bunch of shrieking harpies on the issue, I don't see that day in anyone's near future.
Your membership to the NRA will be the best money you spend this year.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

rcmich,
My apologies to the serpents.

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from MaxPower wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Well said Dave. I came to a similar conclusion years ago about the two types of politicians who support gun control in any form. There are those that are indifferent, ignorant or merely vote for it to say/think they're doing some good.

Then, there are the Anaconda's like Feinstein and Bloomberg. While they may be ignorant when it comes to gun terminology, handling and culture, they know just as well as we Gun Nuts do what gun control leads to. They know eliminating the great equalizer won't result in lower crime, that it won't stop school shootings or drug related gun-violence. They knew all the horrible things that can and will happen if private gun ownership is eliminated. They know, and that's why they do what they do.

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

I know a lot (LOT) of police officers, and after talking to several of them they agree to Biden's statement of being outgunned...because the ones that use weapons against police and law abiding citizens are already criminals, and as criminals are not going to obey the law. The officers that I talked with said that they prefer the citizens being able to resolve the situation before police arrive, if there is a home invasion in progress they would rather the suspect be killed than the resident, much easier to write a report saying "Suspect entered residence, at which time resident produced AR-15 and deceased the suspect" rather than writing "Suspect entered residence, and finding resident unarmed shot and killed resident and fled police taking 45 lives on the highway while in high speed pursuit". Which believe me is a lot harder to write emotionally than writing the idiot who committed this stupid and atrocious crime got what he deserved.

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from Wolfjaw wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Right on David Petzel. Give an anti-Second Amendment worm an inch of wiggle room and he will try to riddle the Constitution full of worm holes. Consider a recent exchange on WBEN Buffalo between talk show host Tom Baurle and NY Assemblyman Dave DiPietro concerning NYSP (under orders from the governor)to form a clandestine group to search homes in direct violation of the 4th Amendment and confiscate themfor any reason (using Rx drugs, guns not properly stored safely, illegal magazines, etc). Scary...and if its true, its only the tip of a very big iceberg.

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from PbHead wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Well said Dave. We have to keep fighting back and never give an inch. It annoys the Hell out of me that the gun control people now call themselves the "gun safety" people. If these snakes truly wanted to promote gun safety, they would fully fund all of youth shooting programs sponsored by the NRA, FFA, 4H, CMP and many others.

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from Cowboy_mo wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Very well said, DP!!! The snake analogy is beautiful. As a history buff, I love to look for applicable statements made years before.

When it comes to gun control, and our need to be ever vigilant I often think of Joe Stalin's words to the Red Army when Hitler invaded: "NOT ONE STEP BACK!"

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from Mark-1 wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Let’s just remember how we got here since December.

A Ct. academic, well-healed, upscale lady owned an arsenal and taught her "troubled" kid …she kept in the Attic a la Jane Eyre…how to access it and shoot.

The Elite, Money, Classism, and Proto-feminism. These conditions set the stage for the disaster to be wrought on an unsuspecting community. There are no homeless, mentally disturbed, wool shirts whacks here.

The Fallout? Our President trying to deliver for his constituency a weapons ban. All his comments since December have tried to seize the emotion of the moment into a generalized "we are failing our children". In other words "never waste a crisis" to obtain that hazy socialist, liberal utopia.

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from RJ Arena wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Nothing that is proposed will do anything to save a life. The Mexican drug cartels bring in weapons with their drugs and the gangbangers buy both. What we need is real boarder security which will stop the cartels. after this is done and the boarder is secure, then talk to me about any other idea and I will listen, but not before.

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from woodsdog wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Petzel, you are one of the best. The Anaconda analogy is absolutely superb. May I use this in my discussions with those well intentioned yet unaware gun control advocates? My only suggestion to us all is to keep the pressure on our elected officials. I live in WNY and everybody is just scratching their heads. This NYSafe Act, I fear, has created even more misunderstanding and concerns, and therefore, another headache for potential shooting sports adovactes, they will invest in clubs on the golf course instead..... Unfortunately, our culture is rapidly changing.... I need to move out of this state and perhaps this country.

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from nc30-06 wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Excellent Dave. Lets all keep up the good fight against this tyranny.

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from AJMcClure wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Dave you recommended a couple of gun cleaning products in a semi recent magazine and I can't seem to find it, maybe Feb. F&S? One was I think linseed oil and the other a bore solvent, can you post me your favorite gun cleaning products, I need some suggestions, thanks.

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from firedog11 wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Dave you left out California, Md, Delaware, N.J. Mass. as states full of hoplophobes.(The new Zombies) A young lady age 15 who addressed the MD legislature in support of the 2nd Amendment was sent death threats by email and phone. Sheriff Apirao(?) was sent a bomb the other day. I remember quite few people who have written in the past that the Modern Sporting Rifle has no place in America. Warning to those who feel this way.when Hoplophobes demonize gun owners which they are successfully doing with the help of lamestream media and get all modern style rifles and pistols then they will go after all the others single shot, cowboy and bolt action etc. I have seen the future and it reminds of 1936.

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from RJ Arena wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

A consequence that we are suffering now is the ammo shortage. Oh, sure you can go to a gun show, pay to get in, wait in line and then be over charged for the ammo you buy, like $85.00 for a brick of .22lr(which I did not purchase, this is crazy! My wife and I like to go out in to the desert and do some plinking, but not at these prices- we'll bring the shotguns, shells are still relatively priced OK. Can anyone give a good answer to why plinking rounds are so pricey?

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from Zermoid wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

For that matter why are shotshells still relatively easy to find?

@firedog11, I feel the same way, the parallels between present day and the 1930's era Germany are scary!

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from davidpetzal wrote 9 weeks 22 hours ago

To AJ McCLure: Here I am talking about the end of the Second Amendment and you want cleaning products. OK, here's about all I ever use: Shooter's Choice powder solvent, Rem-Oil, J-B Bore Cleaning Compound, Birchwood Casey Gun Scrubber, Break-Free CLP, and for long-term storage, RIG Gun Grease. Also, elbow grease.

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 9 weeks 21 hours ago

Well Mr.Petzal there's one in every crowd!

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from 99explorer wrote 9 weeks 20 hours ago

I think this article by Dave is the most insightful analysis of the gun control movement that I have ever read. Well done.

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from ozarkghost wrote 9 weeks 19 hours ago

At last some one said what I had been thinking for years, but way more articulate than I could ever be. I bug my representatives in Congress regularly about this issue. I just wish someone would listen.

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from coachsjike wrote 9 weeks 19 hours ago

when the NRA refuses to budge, the rest of society feels that we are a bunch of redneck hillbillys who stick to our home grown roots. and what the F#$K is wrong with that?every politician, everyone at one point or another refuses to fight and gives up their rights. i am sooo sick of this administration as well as the rest of the liberal society thinking that its okay to give up our freedoms, our natural born rights, and our MORALS! dave is right, years ago you used to be able to do the simplest of things in life with no questions asked. nowadays you can't even take a $hit with being asked what it smells like, how long was it, or better yet one or two ply? bloomberg, pelosi, feinstein, obama, biden, christie (yes christie fatso is hopping on the donut wagon too) all will rot in hell for selling their souls to the devil.

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from coachsjike wrote 9 weeks 18 hours ago

oh and by the way, ny state with its SAFE ACT is violating HIPA laws as we speak, releasing personal, confidential information to the police / government. and because of this people who have had as much as a conversation with a psychologist are being confronted by ny police and being asked to release any firearms that they have or risk prosecution with no due process...NO $hit.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 9 weeks 18 hours ago

Dave, you must forgive AJMcClure. After all, he IS from Arkansas.....

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from coachsjike wrote 9 weeks 18 hours ago

hey firedog11

i am from nj and i take offense to what you are saying. i am a teacher as well as a hunter / gun owner. not everyone from nj are like what you are saying. i find myself everyday having to defend myself as to why i hunt, why i own firearms, what kind of a teacher should be allowed to do either. so take your homolobe comment and shove it up you a$$.

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from MReeder wrote 9 weeks 17 hours ago

DEP could not be more on the mark. I especially like the analogy to being squeezed by a boa constrictor, because that is exactly the approach the anti-gunners always take. You're supposed to "compromise" with them on something completely stupid as a gesture of "reasonableness," even though it will do nothing to inhibit miscreants; only further restrict lawful gunowners. Once you acquiesce, they are back demanding yet another "compromise" as if the first had never been made. Eventually you end up being England, or New York.
Gun owners need to understand that when you repeatedly hear the other side using phrases like "common-sense" or "reasonable" or "balanced" they are wielding those words like weapons. They are talking points handed down to various party and movement apparatchiks who follow them as blindly and robotically as any bureaucrat in the old Soviet Union adhered to the daily dialectic. Their opponents, who do not spend every breathing moment thinking about how they can alter society and force everyone else in it to go along with their idea of Utopia, are always at a disadvantage; because they don't conform to group think and have trouble comprehending that they are dealing with unscrupulous zealots who will use any means at their disposal to achieve their ultimate ends. Like DEP, I have been watching this dance drag along for the better part of 50 years. The anti-gunners are never satisfied, they never give up, and they will use every opportunity to push their real agenda -- total confiscation and/or a ban of personal firearms -- until the day comes that they finally achieve it. The only recourse is to resist any attempt to target honest, law-abiding gunowners with any additional restrictions whatsoever. We have nothing to do with assassinations or school shootings or street crime, and it is high time we quit kowtowing to politicians who insinuate that we do.

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from AJMcClure wrote 9 weeks 16 hours ago

Well at this point in this fight maintaining the few guns I have seems am immediate concern,but as a forensic mental health worker I can assure you that no "thorough" back ground check will help make society safer because the murderers that I have conversations (48 hrs a week)with are often angry people who became impulsively enraged and acted out in response to a set situation, whereas their previous mental health and criminal records were non-existent. The real issue here isn't relevant changes for public safety, I believe it is a change from being a citizen to a camera monitored subject. Cheers.

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from AJMcClure wrote 9 weeks 16 hours ago

that is a camera monitored unarmed 24/7 controlled subject much like a mental patient without the Haldol.

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from FirstBubba wrote 9 weeks 7 hours ago

Old Chinese proverb:

"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step."

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 9 weeks 5 hours ago

Bubba here's a new American quote for you: "He who follows Feinstien and Bloomberg oft find themselves unarmed and dead"!

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from JS76 wrote 9 weeks 25 min ago

Dave if there was no problem then people wouldn't be offering solutions.

Doing nothing about gun control while offering every other solution under the sun (mental health, Hollywood movies, guards in schools, etc) seems like bending over backwards to tie your shoes. While these other elements should be included, you're are ignoring the most responsible, obvious tool-- common sense gun measures.

We should do mandatory background checks for ALL transfers of guns. We should increase enforcement and penalties for anyone using a gun during a crime. If a weapon you sold illegally is used in a homicide, you're charged as an accomplice. If a weapon you own is used in a crime and you didn't report it stolen, you're charged as accomplice.

Finally no one can tell me with a straight face that the reward of recreationally owning a semi-auto rifle capable of more than 10 rounds without manual reload is worth the risk you ask the rest of us to carry for that hobby.

Unless you have teams of friggin ninjas attacking your home there is no legitimate ownership of these weapons. The hard on you get from ripping off X number of shots in a row is gun masterbation, and equally shameful.

Dave since you don't have school-aged kids maybe you don't feel this like the rest of us do.

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from Treestand wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

Dave! Is it WE give an inch and they Take a Kilometer??
That Why I left New York in 1988...NO More Bull S**T.
A NYC Cop that lived in Long Island could not carry His off-Duty Gun out side of the(5)Browes
The same with a LI-Cop No off-duty guns coming in to the(5)Browes??? Thanks to Mayor J.V.Lindsay

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from cbanks wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

To JS 76--You sound like Mike Bloomberg, who doesn't care about our 2d Amendment rights--he just wants to make guns illegal, period, even though he knows that the 'illegal' owners will pay absolutely no attention. "Common sense", he and Joe Biden call it.

Everything's code in the world of gun control. The phrase "common sense" that you use is code for 'take away everything you can from law-abiding gun owners, until they cry 'uncle'" like the NYC gun stores did a decade ago. "Common sense" says that you don't "need" an MSR, and then gun ownership begins to be defined by 'need', rather than as a constitutional privilege.

And you don't even bother to use the code word "assault rifle", with its connotations of fully-automatic fire. You just call it 'semi-automatic', which, of course, includes dozens of legitimate sporting and target weapons which were developed before the AR-15 class of MSRs existed. You ignore the distinction, like most gun-grabbers, preferring to use inflammatory rhetoric.

Most of us legitimate gun owners see the bitter irony, when a few deranged, suicidal freaks decide that mass murder is the path to eternal infamy. Every time they kill, the grabbers try to take away the guns from the folks who didn't do it!

JS76, you're not on the track of the solution--people who think like you are the problem!

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from Harold wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

Have you noticed that all these people who start out by saying "I respect the Second Amendment..." always seem to follow that phrase by the word "BUT..." I call these people "BUT heads" (as opposed to just plain buttheads). You can be certain that the word "but" pretty much signifies that the speaker doesn't really mean anything in that statement before the word "but".

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from FirstBubba wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

Unh-unh!
Nope!
Nah!
No!
No way!
Nyet!
Nien!
Negative!
Any way you can say it, "GIVE 'EM NUTHIN'!"
Only a weasel could possibly think "enchanced background check" is "legalese" for just another step towards total ban and confiscation!

H-E-L-L NO!!!!!
NO MORE!!

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from FirstBubba wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

Mea culpa!

"...only a weasel would think "enhanced background check" is NOT legalese for one more step towards total ban and confiscation!..."

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from Michigan Gunner wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

The gun haters and all the other light weight clowns that vote for them can just go get @#%&!!!. Pick a word that fits best here!

MG

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from W. Mathew Drumm wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

@JS76: First off, what are you doing here? Secondly, in what parallel universe did you expect to find someone who would agree with your "no legitimate ownership" tripe? While you're there why not pop off and say there is "no legitimate reason" for people to hunt or fish? After all we can go to the store and buy all of the meat and fish we need, where's the need?
The answer is simple: It isn't a question of having to demonstrate a "need" or a reason for "legitimate ownership". Just like you don't have to demonstrate a "need" to vote, or to get an education or to buy a home you can afford in a certain neighborhood or not be arrested and held indefinitely without being told what you did wrong, defend yourself against false charges, forfeit your property, etc. All these things I just described are RIGHTS. Just like the uninfringed right to keep and bear arms. If you want to prepare for the zombie plague(?!), shoot in 3-gun matches, practice for service rifle at Camp Perry or just want to hang it on the wall to look at, what difference does it make?
Yes, in many/most cases more stringent enforcement of existing law would get to the real problem, which isn't guns, it's the people who obtain/use them illegally. That won't happen because it isn't an easy scaspegoat for our screwed-up mental health system to get a pass on like guns, and incarcerated people can't vote, unlike dead people in heavily democratic districts.

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from Bioguy01 wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

Seriously, if it were just about a background check, I don't think anybody here would object to waiting 5 minutes while someone makes a call to NICS to find out if they can legally obtain a firearm they want to purchase. But politicians are sneaky, slippery bastards. When a bill like this hits the table, it's an opportunity for them to slip language into it that can really screws us over.

If background checks for private sales are what people want, then there's no reason not to make the background check system open to the public. The 4473 form is online, and the background check is a 5 minute phone call. All you do is read the information off the 4473, the operator has you hold for a minute, and they tell you to proceed, delay, or deny the transfer. There's no reason we need to go to a gun shop, sheriff's office, or police station to do something that we are perfectly capable of doing ourselves. The selling party can keep the 4473 as a record of transfer so if anything happens with the firearm, there is proof that a background check took place and a legitimate sale was made. We can self regulate...in fact, we already do.

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from MReeder wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

JS76,
Maybe you're comfortable having the federal government determining your "need" when it comes to personal protection, but I'm no more ready to cede that decision to some distant bureaucrat than I am to let the feds determine how much income, or what size pension or what kind of medical help I might "need."
We started losing track of what this country was supposed to be about in 1913 when Wilson pushed through the progressive income tax. We had fought a revolution with the most powerful empire on earth precisely because we did not believe that citizens should be subject to a monarch who would arbitrarily determine our needs by supposed divine revelation. The second we granted the government the power to learn our income, to determine what percentage of our earnings we should be allowed to keep, and to demand that we open our private books and affairs to the government's inspection, we lost sight of what it means to be a free citizen living in a republic. Rather than the government being our servant, we had once again become its subjects; forced to "show our papers," prove our innocence against any government accusation and justify activities and actions that should be wholly private.
By and large, the same coalitions which foisted an income tax on us have devoted decades to pushing restrictions on gun ownership. In the early 60s they placed limits on mail order sales of all guns, including bolt action rifles. For nearly two decades they focused on handgun restrictions and in the 90s they zeroed in on "assault-rifles." There is no category of gun they do not want to restrict and their ultimate goal is and always has been the total elimination of private gun ownership.
That does not mean that every idiot politician pushing gun control is being disingenuous; but never doubt that there is a hard-core, determined "progressive" coalition that wants to ban gun ownership; period, end-of-sentence, done. Nor is there any question that both the President and his veep are part of that coalition. As always, they cloak their real intentions with soothing assurances that mean absolutely nothing.
You say we cannot ask for other responses to killings like the one in CT while "doing nothing about gun control." Yet not one single proposal being pushed by the anti-gunners would have prevented that rampage or any of the others, and none of the myriad gun control laws previously passed to supposedly avert such incidents did a dam_ed thing, either. So why, if this discussion is about the CT shootings, are anti-gunners out there beating the same dead, old-horse? And why is it "commons sense" -- other than the focus-grouped talking point that phrase represents -- to pass yet another layer of onerous laws that would do nothing to address the problem while making it ever more difficult for honest, law-abiding citizens to acquire firearms?
There is nothing common-sensible about doing something that is both pointless and stupid and there is nothing to be gained from negotiating menu items with a cannibal. What we should be doing is denouncing anyone who would cynically exploit a genuine tragedy in order to push a decade's long agenda that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

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from Dcast wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

JS, Speak for yourself! I have school age kids and don't feel warm and fuzzy with what your advocating. One gun is no more dangerous than another gun in the hands of the criminal. You haven't thought your argument through. You lack the intelligence to make a sound argument. If you want to protect your children from risk of death I suggest you not take them in or near any vehicle, swimming pool, ocean, wild animal, tame animal, thunderstorms, etc...

Obama called, He wants his teleprompter back!

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from labrador12 wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

Funny how the first elementary school shooting, by a deranged son of a millionaire, should be a cause for new gun laws. It is not as if millionaire's can't get special access to the law anyway. Millions of Americans grew up in homes where the family gun was in the closet. Everyone in the family knew where it was and yet, it killed no one. In my case the family gun was my late grandfathers gun, which is now pushing 100 years old and has yet to kill a single human, but is still knocking ducks and geese dead with regularity. That Mod 12 Winchester loaded with 7 rounds of 00 buck could pump out 63 pellets much faster than a Bushmaster could fire 63 times. JS76, The technology to do despicable acts isn't new. Chuck Shumer and Anthony Weiner's position isn't new either. Mental illness isn't new. Giving up freedom for the illusion of safety isn't new, its just stupid behavior.

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from weswes088 wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

I do find it refreshing talking to some of my more liberal friends about this new wave of gun control frenzy, and one of they're biggest complaints is that this is a patchwork "solution" that really does nothing to solve the real problem. It's a case of "let's do this even though we know it won't solve the root of the problem, but it'll make us feel good because we did something." These friends of mine aren't strongly for or against guns, but that's beside the point - at least they recognize this as what it is. It's just society feeling like they should fix a problem, but not having the energy or willingness to actually fix it properly.

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from jay wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

All this history and yet there are still gun owners on these blogs claiming the democrats are not interested in unarming America.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

Like DSM Bird Dog said in the first response...."GIVE THEM NOTHING..EVER!". If they can't get a Shark bite on you, they will take a 1000 little piranha bites...with the end result being the same. Stand by the NRA and fight. Fight like we've never fought before. They lie, always have...FIGHT!

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from missedit wrote 8 weeks 5 days ago

What about ammo?

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from 99explorer wrote 8 weeks 5 days ago

Mayor Lindsay had a twin brother. One day while they were talking on the phone, Mayor Lindsay told his brother that a mob was hanging a figure in effigy outside his office. He added that he hated to tell this, but the figure looked just like his brother.
Mayor Lindsay also carried a concealed handgun on his person.

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from coachsjike wrote 8 weeks 5 days ago

yeah well after what happened in boston, i want to see obama and co are gonna do next. disarm us? how about closing the borders you fools and if congress disagrees, pull executive order like you have done with everything else.

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from RJ Arena wrote 8 weeks 5 days ago

Look, personally I am not a big fan of semi-autos, black weapons, "assault weapons" etc, I'm a lever action guy, a wheel gun guy, but I respect and will defend anyway I can your right to own whatever you want. You see, I made a choice, and I want everyone out there to be able to make their own choice, what ever it is. If you don't like guns so be it, however, before you make that choice before you open your mouth to condemn the choices of others, walk in their shoes. What I mean to say to all of those anti- gun people out there is this- before you make one more snappy comment, go to a range, take a safety course and fire a weapon. After you have completed this minimum experience of our world, then you may say what ever you like.

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from MICHMAN wrote 8 weeks 5 days ago

Well written and I totally agree DP.

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from JohnR wrote 8 weeks 5 days ago

Good article Dave. We as firearms owners and the Second Amendment are being squeezed every time a shooting incident occurs. There is a problem in our society. It is all to easy to blame the gun for all the evils instead of the philosophies and social programs that produce the individuals that commit these crimes.

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from Henry Teja wrote 8 weeks 3 days ago

DEP You missed a few gun stores that was around prior to 1963 & into the 1990 Froelich & Son (1927-1999) & Zirmmo (1954-1997) just to name a few. But I agree with your poignant article.

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from voiceofreasoncny wrote 8 weeks 3 days ago

Mr. Petzal, elegant use of facts to support our side of the "national dialogue".
JS76, what good will "enhanced background checks" do when law enforcement is not utilizing the existing system? In 2010, the most recent year that statistics are available for, the NICS system produced over 76,000 initial denials. Of those, the Obama Justice department only recommended around 100 cases for prosecution. Of that small number, only 44 cases were, actually, prosecuted. Of that incredibly small number, only 13 convictions were obtained (out of 76,000+ denials). The most serious conviction resulted in a small fine.
I have grand children and nieces and nephews, in primary school and younger, and I agree with the voters of the school districts in and around Newtown, CT, who agreed with the NRA and elected to increase armed security in their primary schools.
You want a logical reason to own a modern sporting rifle (MSR) with a standard capacity (they come from the factory with 20 and 30 round magazines,so, 10 rounds would be a low capacity magazine) magazine? How about the fact that FBI crime statistics show that multiple assailant home invasions are a crime trend that is not going away? Do you want to try to defend your family against two, or more, criminal madmen, each armed with 30 or 50 round weapons with yoiur 10 round weapon?
Sales figures show that MSRs comprise up to 40% of the current market. Apparently, several miilion homeowners, recreational shooters, competitors and military/law enforcement people find logical reasons to purchase these firearms, every year.
cbanks, I think you meant to say Constitutional RIGHT, not privilege. Having a driver's licence is a privilage. Owning firearms is a Constitutional Right.

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from elmer f. wrote 7 weeks 6 days ago

very well written Mr. Petzal. this should be a reminder to all of us what little bits of freedom we all loose every time that our wonderful system passes another bill of any kind. the problem with all of this is that way to many people actually believe that a law actually means that something will just stop. for instance, that a law that makes all semi-automatic rifles illegal to own, means they will magically go away. in reality, what this would mean is that hundreds of thousands of previously law abiding citizen who were 10 minutes before the bill enacted, have instantaneously unintentionally become criminals. so once you are on that side of the law, why stop there? obviously, not all of us would switch over to a life of crime. but some would.
i am not really sure when, where, how, or why this thing of "Interpreting" The Constitution became fair game. for many decades, it was left totally untouched. it was THE LAW OF THE LAND, and no one dared touch it. but the switch has been thrown, and until "We, The People" make a big enough stink about it, it will continue to be shot at, until it is so full of holes, it will completely fall apart. these so called "do gooders" are actually Satan in disguise. they will continue to chip away at all of our freedoms, until our way of life has disappeared.

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from JackM wrote 7 weeks 6 days ago

Even for those who are "sincere", they are in league with the enemy, and must be defeared.

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from JackM wrote 7 weeks 6 days ago

"defeated' oops...

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from DSMbirddog wrote 9 weeks 2 days ago

I think as you read through this, and I agree with DP 100%, you begin to understand why the NRA and other groups cannot waiver one iota. Thank you for this well written piece.

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from Proverbs wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

This is why no new gun regulations should be thought of as "reasonable" or "common-sense." Because they are not, and the multi-thousand word amendments/regulations/rules that bear them are full of bad things that, after the fact, will be called "unintended consequences." Which is a lie. Bad things happening to gun ownership is exactly the end game that the lobbyists who write these "common sense" regulations are after.

Just like Obamacare, we won't know all the horrible things these new proposed regulations contain....until it is too late.

For example, the anti-gun lobby says it is reasonable to make sure people with mental problems can't own guns. Until you realize the new laws define mental problems as including having a current, or long-past, use of extrememly common drugs like ADHD prescriptions or sleep aids.

Don't give a millimeter to new anti-gun rules!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

The "reasonable" approach to gun control is to enforce the existing laws that keep most guns out of the hands of most loons. Pastor Rick Warren's son recently committed suicide (God rest his soul) allegedly with a handgun with serial numbers obliterated that he allegedly bought over the internet. Even possessing a handgun (except antiques with no serial number) with an altered serial number altered or removed is a Federal offense and has been for years. So he and the seller were Federal Felons. It is doubtful he bought it over the internet unless he set up a sale online and purchased it as an individual transaction. Mailing or shipping firearms outside of to/from an FFL is already against the law. Using the Postal Service to commission a crime is also a Federal offense! So.....if folks scoff at existing laws, why would we expect compliance with new laws? Duhhhh.....

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from labrador12 wrote 9 weeks 2 days ago

I agree totally Dave.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Dave,
Very well articulated. Congress is the hominid equivalent of serpents anyway.

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from rcmich wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Sorry WA, but I have to disagree with you there. ;-) Serpents may crawl on their bellys but they still aren't as low as the average politician.

Totally agree with Dave and the NRA. Don't budge an inch because it will never be enough. It will never stop.

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from SMC1986 wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Couldn't have said it better myself. Every gun owner currently standing on the sidelines should read this.

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from rob wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

David - I understand that you don't like to write about gun control, but you do so very well, in a reasoned, intelligent tone that explores the issue in-depth. If only someone on the left could write a piece on their beliefs on the matter in the same manner. It may give one pause and cause to reflect.
But, since the left is just a bunch of shrieking harpies on the issue, I don't see that day in anyone's near future.
Your membership to the NRA will be the best money you spend this year.

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from MaxPower wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Well said Dave. I came to a similar conclusion years ago about the two types of politicians who support gun control in any form. There are those that are indifferent, ignorant or merely vote for it to say/think they're doing some good.

Then, there are the Anaconda's like Feinstein and Bloomberg. While they may be ignorant when it comes to gun terminology, handling and culture, they know just as well as we Gun Nuts do what gun control leads to. They know eliminating the great equalizer won't result in lower crime, that it won't stop school shootings or drug related gun-violence. They knew all the horrible things that can and will happen if private gun ownership is eliminated. They know, and that's why they do what they do.

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

I know a lot (LOT) of police officers, and after talking to several of them they agree to Biden's statement of being outgunned...because the ones that use weapons against police and law abiding citizens are already criminals, and as criminals are not going to obey the law. The officers that I talked with said that they prefer the citizens being able to resolve the situation before police arrive, if there is a home invasion in progress they would rather the suspect be killed than the resident, much easier to write a report saying "Suspect entered residence, at which time resident produced AR-15 and deceased the suspect" rather than writing "Suspect entered residence, and finding resident unarmed shot and killed resident and fled police taking 45 lives on the highway while in high speed pursuit". Which believe me is a lot harder to write emotionally than writing the idiot who committed this stupid and atrocious crime got what he deserved.

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from RJ Arena wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Nothing that is proposed will do anything to save a life. The Mexican drug cartels bring in weapons with their drugs and the gangbangers buy both. What we need is real boarder security which will stop the cartels. after this is done and the boarder is secure, then talk to me about any other idea and I will listen, but not before.

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from woodsdog wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Petzel, you are one of the best. The Anaconda analogy is absolutely superb. May I use this in my discussions with those well intentioned yet unaware gun control advocates? My only suggestion to us all is to keep the pressure on our elected officials. I live in WNY and everybody is just scratching their heads. This NYSafe Act, I fear, has created even more misunderstanding and concerns, and therefore, another headache for potential shooting sports adovactes, they will invest in clubs on the golf course instead..... Unfortunately, our culture is rapidly changing.... I need to move out of this state and perhaps this country.

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from MReeder wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

JS76,
Maybe you're comfortable having the federal government determining your "need" when it comes to personal protection, but I'm no more ready to cede that decision to some distant bureaucrat than I am to let the feds determine how much income, or what size pension or what kind of medical help I might "need."
We started losing track of what this country was supposed to be about in 1913 when Wilson pushed through the progressive income tax. We had fought a revolution with the most powerful empire on earth precisely because we did not believe that citizens should be subject to a monarch who would arbitrarily determine our needs by supposed divine revelation. The second we granted the government the power to learn our income, to determine what percentage of our earnings we should be allowed to keep, and to demand that we open our private books and affairs to the government's inspection, we lost sight of what it means to be a free citizen living in a republic. Rather than the government being our servant, we had once again become its subjects; forced to "show our papers," prove our innocence against any government accusation and justify activities and actions that should be wholly private.
By and large, the same coalitions which foisted an income tax on us have devoted decades to pushing restrictions on gun ownership. In the early 60s they placed limits on mail order sales of all guns, including bolt action rifles. For nearly two decades they focused on handgun restrictions and in the 90s they zeroed in on "assault-rifles." There is no category of gun they do not want to restrict and their ultimate goal is and always has been the total elimination of private gun ownership.
That does not mean that every idiot politician pushing gun control is being disingenuous; but never doubt that there is a hard-core, determined "progressive" coalition that wants to ban gun ownership; period, end-of-sentence, done. Nor is there any question that both the President and his veep are part of that coalition. As always, they cloak their real intentions with soothing assurances that mean absolutely nothing.
You say we cannot ask for other responses to killings like the one in CT while "doing nothing about gun control." Yet not one single proposal being pushed by the anti-gunners would have prevented that rampage or any of the others, and none of the myriad gun control laws previously passed to supposedly avert such incidents did a dam_ed thing, either. So why, if this discussion is about the CT shootings, are anti-gunners out there beating the same dead, old-horse? And why is it "commons sense" -- other than the focus-grouped talking point that phrase represents -- to pass yet another layer of onerous laws that would do nothing to address the problem while making it ever more difficult for honest, law-abiding citizens to acquire firearms?
There is nothing common-sensible about doing something that is both pointless and stupid and there is nothing to be gained from negotiating menu items with a cannibal. What we should be doing is denouncing anyone who would cynically exploit a genuine tragedy in order to push a decade's long agenda that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

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from jay wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

All this history and yet there are still gun owners on these blogs claiming the democrats are not interested in unarming America.

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from haverodwilltravel wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

Like DSM Bird Dog said in the first response...."GIVE THEM NOTHING..EVER!". If they can't get a Shark bite on you, they will take a 1000 little piranha bites...with the end result being the same. Stand by the NRA and fight. Fight like we've never fought before. They lie, always have...FIGHT!

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from RJ Arena wrote 8 weeks 5 days ago

Look, personally I am not a big fan of semi-autos, black weapons, "assault weapons" etc, I'm a lever action guy, a wheel gun guy, but I respect and will defend anyway I can your right to own whatever you want. You see, I made a choice, and I want everyone out there to be able to make their own choice, what ever it is. If you don't like guns so be it, however, before you make that choice before you open your mouth to condemn the choices of others, walk in their shoes. What I mean to say to all of those anti- gun people out there is this- before you make one more snappy comment, go to a range, take a safety course and fire a weapon. After you have completed this minimum experience of our world, then you may say what ever you like.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

rcmich,
My apologies to the serpents.

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from Wolfjaw wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Right on David Petzel. Give an anti-Second Amendment worm an inch of wiggle room and he will try to riddle the Constitution full of worm holes. Consider a recent exchange on WBEN Buffalo between talk show host Tom Baurle and NY Assemblyman Dave DiPietro concerning NYSP (under orders from the governor)to form a clandestine group to search homes in direct violation of the 4th Amendment and confiscate themfor any reason (using Rx drugs, guns not properly stored safely, illegal magazines, etc). Scary...and if its true, its only the tip of a very big iceberg.

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from PbHead wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Well said Dave. We have to keep fighting back and never give an inch. It annoys the Hell out of me that the gun control people now call themselves the "gun safety" people. If these snakes truly wanted to promote gun safety, they would fully fund all of youth shooting programs sponsored by the NRA, FFA, 4H, CMP and many others.

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from Cowboy_mo wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Very well said, DP!!! The snake analogy is beautiful. As a history buff, I love to look for applicable statements made years before.

When it comes to gun control, and our need to be ever vigilant I often think of Joe Stalin's words to the Red Army when Hitler invaded: "NOT ONE STEP BACK!"

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from Mark-1 wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Let’s just remember how we got here since December.

A Ct. academic, well-healed, upscale lady owned an arsenal and taught her "troubled" kid …she kept in the Attic a la Jane Eyre…how to access it and shoot.

The Elite, Money, Classism, and Proto-feminism. These conditions set the stage for the disaster to be wrought on an unsuspecting community. There are no homeless, mentally disturbed, wool shirts whacks here.

The Fallout? Our President trying to deliver for his constituency a weapons ban. All his comments since December have tried to seize the emotion of the moment into a generalized "we are failing our children". In other words "never waste a crisis" to obtain that hazy socialist, liberal utopia.

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from firedog11 wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Dave you left out California, Md, Delaware, N.J. Mass. as states full of hoplophobes.(The new Zombies) A young lady age 15 who addressed the MD legislature in support of the 2nd Amendment was sent death threats by email and phone. Sheriff Apirao(?) was sent a bomb the other day. I remember quite few people who have written in the past that the Modern Sporting Rifle has no place in America. Warning to those who feel this way.when Hoplophobes demonize gun owners which they are successfully doing with the help of lamestream media and get all modern style rifles and pistols then they will go after all the others single shot, cowboy and bolt action etc. I have seen the future and it reminds of 1936.

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from 99explorer wrote 9 weeks 20 hours ago

I think this article by Dave is the most insightful analysis of the gun control movement that I have ever read. Well done.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 9 weeks 18 hours ago

Dave, you must forgive AJMcClure. After all, he IS from Arkansas.....

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from MReeder wrote 9 weeks 17 hours ago

DEP could not be more on the mark. I especially like the analogy to being squeezed by a boa constrictor, because that is exactly the approach the anti-gunners always take. You're supposed to "compromise" with them on something completely stupid as a gesture of "reasonableness," even though it will do nothing to inhibit miscreants; only further restrict lawful gunowners. Once you acquiesce, they are back demanding yet another "compromise" as if the first had never been made. Eventually you end up being England, or New York.
Gun owners need to understand that when you repeatedly hear the other side using phrases like "common-sense" or "reasonable" or "balanced" they are wielding those words like weapons. They are talking points handed down to various party and movement apparatchiks who follow them as blindly and robotically as any bureaucrat in the old Soviet Union adhered to the daily dialectic. Their opponents, who do not spend every breathing moment thinking about how they can alter society and force everyone else in it to go along with their idea of Utopia, are always at a disadvantage; because they don't conform to group think and have trouble comprehending that they are dealing with unscrupulous zealots who will use any means at their disposal to achieve their ultimate ends. Like DEP, I have been watching this dance drag along for the better part of 50 years. The anti-gunners are never satisfied, they never give up, and they will use every opportunity to push their real agenda -- total confiscation and/or a ban of personal firearms -- until the day comes that they finally achieve it. The only recourse is to resist any attempt to target honest, law-abiding gunowners with any additional restrictions whatsoever. We have nothing to do with assassinations or school shootings or street crime, and it is high time we quit kowtowing to politicians who insinuate that we do.

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from Treestand wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

Dave! Is it WE give an inch and they Take a Kilometer??
That Why I left New York in 1988...NO More Bull S**T.
A NYC Cop that lived in Long Island could not carry His off-Duty Gun out side of the(5)Browes
The same with a LI-Cop No off-duty guns coming in to the(5)Browes??? Thanks to Mayor J.V.Lindsay

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from Bioguy01 wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

Seriously, if it were just about a background check, I don't think anybody here would object to waiting 5 minutes while someone makes a call to NICS to find out if they can legally obtain a firearm they want to purchase. But politicians are sneaky, slippery bastards. When a bill like this hits the table, it's an opportunity for them to slip language into it that can really screws us over.

If background checks for private sales are what people want, then there's no reason not to make the background check system open to the public. The 4473 form is online, and the background check is a 5 minute phone call. All you do is read the information off the 4473, the operator has you hold for a minute, and they tell you to proceed, delay, or deny the transfer. There's no reason we need to go to a gun shop, sheriff's office, or police station to do something that we are perfectly capable of doing ourselves. The selling party can keep the 4473 as a record of transfer so if anything happens with the firearm, there is proof that a background check took place and a legitimate sale was made. We can self regulate...in fact, we already do.

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from nc30-06 wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Excellent Dave. Lets all keep up the good fight against this tyranny.

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from RJ Arena wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

A consequence that we are suffering now is the ammo shortage. Oh, sure you can go to a gun show, pay to get in, wait in line and then be over charged for the ammo you buy, like $85.00 for a brick of .22lr(which I did not purchase, this is crazy! My wife and I like to go out in to the desert and do some plinking, but not at these prices- we'll bring the shotguns, shells are still relatively priced OK. Can anyone give a good answer to why plinking rounds are so pricey?

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from Zermoid wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

For that matter why are shotshells still relatively easy to find?

@firedog11, I feel the same way, the parallels between present day and the 1930's era Germany are scary!

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from davidpetzal wrote 9 weeks 22 hours ago

To AJ McCLure: Here I am talking about the end of the Second Amendment and you want cleaning products. OK, here's about all I ever use: Shooter's Choice powder solvent, Rem-Oil, J-B Bore Cleaning Compound, Birchwood Casey Gun Scrubber, Break-Free CLP, and for long-term storage, RIG Gun Grease. Also, elbow grease.

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 9 weeks 21 hours ago

Well Mr.Petzal there's one in every crowd!

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from ozarkghost wrote 9 weeks 19 hours ago

At last some one said what I had been thinking for years, but way more articulate than I could ever be. I bug my representatives in Congress regularly about this issue. I just wish someone would listen.

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from coachsjike wrote 9 weeks 19 hours ago

when the NRA refuses to budge, the rest of society feels that we are a bunch of redneck hillbillys who stick to our home grown roots. and what the F#$K is wrong with that?every politician, everyone at one point or another refuses to fight and gives up their rights. i am sooo sick of this administration as well as the rest of the liberal society thinking that its okay to give up our freedoms, our natural born rights, and our MORALS! dave is right, years ago you used to be able to do the simplest of things in life with no questions asked. nowadays you can't even take a $hit with being asked what it smells like, how long was it, or better yet one or two ply? bloomberg, pelosi, feinstein, obama, biden, christie (yes christie fatso is hopping on the donut wagon too) all will rot in hell for selling their souls to the devil.

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from coachsjike wrote 9 weeks 18 hours ago

oh and by the way, ny state with its SAFE ACT is violating HIPA laws as we speak, releasing personal, confidential information to the police / government. and because of this people who have had as much as a conversation with a psychologist are being confronted by ny police and being asked to release any firearms that they have or risk prosecution with no due process...NO $hit.

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from coachsjike wrote 9 weeks 18 hours ago

hey firedog11

i am from nj and i take offense to what you are saying. i am a teacher as well as a hunter / gun owner. not everyone from nj are like what you are saying. i find myself everyday having to defend myself as to why i hunt, why i own firearms, what kind of a teacher should be allowed to do either. so take your homolobe comment and shove it up you a$$.

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from AJMcClure wrote 9 weeks 16 hours ago

Well at this point in this fight maintaining the few guns I have seems am immediate concern,but as a forensic mental health worker I can assure you that no "thorough" back ground check will help make society safer because the murderers that I have conversations (48 hrs a week)with are often angry people who became impulsively enraged and acted out in response to a set situation, whereas their previous mental health and criminal records were non-existent. The real issue here isn't relevant changes for public safety, I believe it is a change from being a citizen to a camera monitored subject. Cheers.

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from AJMcClure wrote 9 weeks 16 hours ago

that is a camera monitored unarmed 24/7 controlled subject much like a mental patient without the Haldol.

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from FirstBubba wrote 9 weeks 7 hours ago

Old Chinese proverb:

"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step."

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from mspl8sdcntryboy wrote 9 weeks 5 hours ago

Bubba here's a new American quote for you: "He who follows Feinstien and Bloomberg oft find themselves unarmed and dead"!

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from cbanks wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

To JS 76--You sound like Mike Bloomberg, who doesn't care about our 2d Amendment rights--he just wants to make guns illegal, period, even though he knows that the 'illegal' owners will pay absolutely no attention. "Common sense", he and Joe Biden call it.

Everything's code in the world of gun control. The phrase "common sense" that you use is code for 'take away everything you can from law-abiding gun owners, until they cry 'uncle'" like the NYC gun stores did a decade ago. "Common sense" says that you don't "need" an MSR, and then gun ownership begins to be defined by 'need', rather than as a constitutional privilege.

And you don't even bother to use the code word "assault rifle", with its connotations of fully-automatic fire. You just call it 'semi-automatic', which, of course, includes dozens of legitimate sporting and target weapons which were developed before the AR-15 class of MSRs existed. You ignore the distinction, like most gun-grabbers, preferring to use inflammatory rhetoric.

Most of us legitimate gun owners see the bitter irony, when a few deranged, suicidal freaks decide that mass murder is the path to eternal infamy. Every time they kill, the grabbers try to take away the guns from the folks who didn't do it!

JS76, you're not on the track of the solution--people who think like you are the problem!

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from Harold wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

Have you noticed that all these people who start out by saying "I respect the Second Amendment..." always seem to follow that phrase by the word "BUT..." I call these people "BUT heads" (as opposed to just plain buttheads). You can be certain that the word "but" pretty much signifies that the speaker doesn't really mean anything in that statement before the word "but".

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from FirstBubba wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

Unh-unh!
Nope!
Nah!
No!
No way!
Nyet!
Nien!
Negative!
Any way you can say it, "GIVE 'EM NUTHIN'!"
Only a weasel could possibly think "enchanced background check" is "legalese" for just another step towards total ban and confiscation!

H-E-L-L NO!!!!!
NO MORE!!

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from FirstBubba wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

Mea culpa!

"...only a weasel would think "enhanced background check" is NOT legalese for one more step towards total ban and confiscation!..."

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from Michigan Gunner wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

The gun haters and all the other light weight clowns that vote for them can just go get @#%&!!!. Pick a word that fits best here!

MG

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from Dcast wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

JS, Speak for yourself! I have school age kids and don't feel warm and fuzzy with what your advocating. One gun is no more dangerous than another gun in the hands of the criminal. You haven't thought your argument through. You lack the intelligence to make a sound argument. If you want to protect your children from risk of death I suggest you not take them in or near any vehicle, swimming pool, ocean, wild animal, tame animal, thunderstorms, etc...

Obama called, He wants his teleprompter back!

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from labrador12 wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

Funny how the first elementary school shooting, by a deranged son of a millionaire, should be a cause for new gun laws. It is not as if millionaire's can't get special access to the law anyway. Millions of Americans grew up in homes where the family gun was in the closet. Everyone in the family knew where it was and yet, it killed no one. In my case the family gun was my late grandfathers gun, which is now pushing 100 years old and has yet to kill a single human, but is still knocking ducks and geese dead with regularity. That Mod 12 Winchester loaded with 7 rounds of 00 buck could pump out 63 pellets much faster than a Bushmaster could fire 63 times. JS76, The technology to do despicable acts isn't new. Chuck Shumer and Anthony Weiner's position isn't new either. Mental illness isn't new. Giving up freedom for the illusion of safety isn't new, its just stupid behavior.

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from weswes088 wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

I do find it refreshing talking to some of my more liberal friends about this new wave of gun control frenzy, and one of they're biggest complaints is that this is a patchwork "solution" that really does nothing to solve the real problem. It's a case of "let's do this even though we know it won't solve the root of the problem, but it'll make us feel good because we did something." These friends of mine aren't strongly for or against guns, but that's beside the point - at least they recognize this as what it is. It's just society feeling like they should fix a problem, but not having the energy or willingness to actually fix it properly.

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from 99explorer wrote 8 weeks 5 days ago

Mayor Lindsay had a twin brother. One day while they were talking on the phone, Mayor Lindsay told his brother that a mob was hanging a figure in effigy outside his office. He added that he hated to tell this, but the figure looked just like his brother.
Mayor Lindsay also carried a concealed handgun on his person.

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from MICHMAN wrote 8 weeks 5 days ago

Well written and I totally agree DP.

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from JohnR wrote 8 weeks 5 days ago

Good article Dave. We as firearms owners and the Second Amendment are being squeezed every time a shooting incident occurs. There is a problem in our society. It is all to easy to blame the gun for all the evils instead of the philosophies and social programs that produce the individuals that commit these crimes.

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from Henry Teja wrote 8 weeks 3 days ago

DEP You missed a few gun stores that was around prior to 1963 & into the 1990 Froelich & Son (1927-1999) & Zirmmo (1954-1997) just to name a few. But I agree with your poignant article.

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from voiceofreasoncny wrote 8 weeks 3 days ago

Mr. Petzal, elegant use of facts to support our side of the "national dialogue".
JS76, what good will "enhanced background checks" do when law enforcement is not utilizing the existing system? In 2010, the most recent year that statistics are available for, the NICS system produced over 76,000 initial denials. Of those, the Obama Justice department only recommended around 100 cases for prosecution. Of that small number, only 44 cases were, actually, prosecuted. Of that incredibly small number, only 13 convictions were obtained (out of 76,000+ denials). The most serious conviction resulted in a small fine.
I have grand children and nieces and nephews, in primary school and younger, and I agree with the voters of the school districts in and around Newtown, CT, who agreed with the NRA and elected to increase armed security in their primary schools.
You want a logical reason to own a modern sporting rifle (MSR) with a standard capacity (they come from the factory with 20 and 30 round magazines,so, 10 rounds would be a low capacity magazine) magazine? How about the fact that FBI crime statistics show that multiple assailant home invasions are a crime trend that is not going away? Do you want to try to defend your family against two, or more, criminal madmen, each armed with 30 or 50 round weapons with yoiur 10 round weapon?
Sales figures show that MSRs comprise up to 40% of the current market. Apparently, several miilion homeowners, recreational shooters, competitors and military/law enforcement people find logical reasons to purchase these firearms, every year.
cbanks, I think you meant to say Constitutional RIGHT, not privilege. Having a driver's licence is a privilage. Owning firearms is a Constitutional Right.

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from elmer f. wrote 7 weeks 6 days ago

very well written Mr. Petzal. this should be a reminder to all of us what little bits of freedom we all loose every time that our wonderful system passes another bill of any kind. the problem with all of this is that way to many people actually believe that a law actually means that something will just stop. for instance, that a law that makes all semi-automatic rifles illegal to own, means they will magically go away. in reality, what this would mean is that hundreds of thousands of previously law abiding citizen who were 10 minutes before the bill enacted, have instantaneously unintentionally become criminals. so once you are on that side of the law, why stop there? obviously, not all of us would switch over to a life of crime. but some would.
i am not really sure when, where, how, or why this thing of "Interpreting" The Constitution became fair game. for many decades, it was left totally untouched. it was THE LAW OF THE LAND, and no one dared touch it. but the switch has been thrown, and until "We, The People" make a big enough stink about it, it will continue to be shot at, until it is so full of holes, it will completely fall apart. these so called "do gooders" are actually Satan in disguise. they will continue to chip away at all of our freedoms, until our way of life has disappeared.

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from JackM wrote 7 weeks 6 days ago

Even for those who are "sincere", they are in league with the enemy, and must be defeared.

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from JackM wrote 7 weeks 6 days ago

"defeated' oops...

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from W. Mathew Drumm wrote 8 weeks 6 days ago

@JS76: First off, what are you doing here? Secondly, in what parallel universe did you expect to find someone who would agree with your "no legitimate ownership" tripe? While you're there why not pop off and say there is "no legitimate reason" for people to hunt or fish? After all we can go to the store and buy all of the meat and fish we need, where's the need?
The answer is simple: It isn't a question of having to demonstrate a "need" or a reason for "legitimate ownership". Just like you don't have to demonstrate a "need" to vote, or to get an education or to buy a home you can afford in a certain neighborhood or not be arrested and held indefinitely without being told what you did wrong, defend yourself against false charges, forfeit your property, etc. All these things I just described are RIGHTS. Just like the uninfringed right to keep and bear arms. If you want to prepare for the zombie plague(?!), shoot in 3-gun matches, practice for service rifle at Camp Perry or just want to hang it on the wall to look at, what difference does it make?
Yes, in many/most cases more stringent enforcement of existing law would get to the real problem, which isn't guns, it's the people who obtain/use them illegally. That won't happen because it isn't an easy scaspegoat for our screwed-up mental health system to get a pass on like guns, and incarcerated people can't vote, unlike dead people in heavily democratic districts.

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from missedit wrote 8 weeks 5 days ago

What about ammo?

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from coachsjike wrote 8 weeks 5 days ago

yeah well after what happened in boston, i want to see obama and co are gonna do next. disarm us? how about closing the borders you fools and if congress disagrees, pull executive order like you have done with everything else.

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from AJMcClure wrote 9 weeks 1 day ago

Dave you recommended a couple of gun cleaning products in a semi recent magazine and I can't seem to find it, maybe Feb. F&S? One was I think linseed oil and the other a bore solvent, can you post me your favorite gun cleaning products, I need some suggestions, thanks.

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from JS76 wrote 9 weeks 25 min ago

Dave if there was no problem then people wouldn't be offering solutions.

Doing nothing about gun control while offering every other solution under the sun (mental health, Hollywood movies, guards in schools, etc) seems like bending over backwards to tie your shoes. While these other elements should be included, you're are ignoring the most responsible, obvious tool-- common sense gun measures.

We should do mandatory background checks for ALL transfers of guns. We should increase enforcement and penalties for anyone using a gun during a crime. If a weapon you sold illegally is used in a homicide, you're charged as an accomplice. If a weapon you own is used in a crime and you didn't report it stolen, you're charged as accomplice.

Finally no one can tell me with a straight face that the reward of recreationally owning a semi-auto rifle capable of more than 10 rounds without manual reload is worth the risk you ask the rest of us to carry for that hobby.

Unless you have teams of friggin ninjas attacking your home there is no legitimate ownership of these weapons. The hard on you get from ripping off X number of shots in a row is gun masterbation, and equally shameful.

Dave since you don't have school-aged kids maybe you don't feel this like the rest of us do.

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